Supercharger Vs Headers

[KenP]

Mike,

They highly encouraged me to get the trans upgrade. Some others on this forum have upgraded their trans.

Bill, I liked it. I did have to read it twice though.

Black Lingenfelter Lux

[Fastest H-Town Realtor]

Unless the "supercharger" is that Turbonator POS, there is now way a header will ever put out a fraction of a s/c's power output. Period.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

I PM'd KenP on this to get his take on it.
I did not do a 0 to 60 before adding all the after market stuff.

Long neck dynotech stainless catback header sys.
40 series flowmaster dual exhaust sys. custom installed and shaped for best flow by a Pro Exhaust Shop. Improved on exhaust flow but did not mess with header and cat-back much.

Cold air intake by a multiple SEMA award winner from My area. Just helped Me feel better about getting something for My money other than hype.

T-body spacer came from same co. as air intake makers.

Fast Flash handheld perf. programer from same co. that got SEMA for all 3 items mentioned. Comp Cams bought there programer patent they liked it so much.

Throttle body coolant bypass kit to lower air intake temp. Made Myself to insure quality.

Taylor perf. spark plug wires. Have run many years on other apps and the Perf. store I use runs many kinds of cars themselves and builds race engines and have seen with own eyes this is what they use.

Ordered GM dual electric cooling fan sys. with computer tie in to control fan operation. Turn on at 180 degrees. Should gain around 15HP @ Tor

160 degree Ligenfelter thermostat waiting to be installed.

DID MULTIPLE RUNS AT DEAD STOP TO TIME 0 TO 60:
10 seconds on the money.
No tranny preload just dead brake to accelerator foot move.
I did not time before installs so do not know what gain was.
I have added weight since bought. 325X60/20 and rims, Many thousands on billet to replace plastic. Can't estimate weight increase but enough to make diff. so i removed spare and brackets to help some.

Now point being, KenP with SC runs 0 to 60 in 6.5 seconds and has been 6.44 I was told by others. I have video of a Ford turbo lighting losing to Ken.
I have another video of a rice rocket losing to a stock H2 with Radix SC.
I do not in anyway believe I could do this. I may surprise them with a scare though.
But, I have had the fun of increased HP and torque enough to surprise many little cars and f-bodies who think the H2 is a big lunch wagon. My Girl will put You back in the seat and not let up till I let up. It is a very enjoyable ride and thrill for the money spent. If You do not want to spend the kind of money it takes for SC and tuning etc. It is a valid way to get some pep beyond Your expectation and imagination. It will improve towing as i have some hills in north Arkansas to lake that use to make Me down shift and up shift alot and that has been reduced alot. Probably, as I did not keep count, under $2950 with custom labor.
I can get some more perf. gain if i ran high oct. in perf. setting but, I run regular unless I'm towing. Have no problem with preignition but, I do not recommend You do this as I have reduced temp to help that and I have experimented with My other vehicle as it is set up with much the same except exhaust sys. I get no PING AT ALL. It is My decision if I have to buy an engine so if it goes I'll have a Ligenfelter 427 ported, polished, blueprinted. with SC and 750HP plus. I think from what I've read maybe 1000HP with some other addons and tuning if I turned them loose with it. They build what will be safe for every day use by the consumer. I'm impressed enough with just a stock engine with SC I'm working on adding that or twin turbo but, lean towards SC. Waiting to hear from Ligenfelter about maybe letting them have My girl for a week to install what ever i decide on.
It is a matter of what You want to spend and accomplish.
I have raced all My life and I do not believe unless taken in person and seeing it with My own eyes a set of headers will perform like SC.
TAZ (Rick)

[KenP]

At the bottom of this link is a performance chart that includes the stock set up.

http://motortrend.com/features/perfo...0308_tuner_h2/

BTW, that truck has 33's on it which is close to having 4.56 gears. I did the math a long time ago and it equated to nearly nothing in the performance department.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

I would like to point out here that Ken gets special treatment from Ligenfelter that most of us would not get as he is big buddies with them and one of the first to get a H2 kit well I guess You would call it a prototype situation. Now to expound those guys at LIG. will take good care of You no matter what. Quality and reputation is first in thier book. I do not know where I'm going yet but if SC is it, it will be a Radix Magna Charger via LIG. or a sponsor I'm hopeing to help Me with My show quest for My Baby. Polished pleased!!!!
OH I forgot that if You go with the tame Lig. set up if You call 450HP flywheel tame You can run factory tranny and when it goes send core to Lig. and they will rebuild it or send a rebuild toughed up tranny. I was told by them that the bottom package is the only one they can recommend that on. If You do it KenP's way You better spend and do what ever Lig. says to do. Ken is the expert on what Lig. can and will do so i hate to say talk to Him cause i do hate to over load Him but if You do not know You go to the person Who does. Sorry Ken
Thanks
TAZ

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Centerfire:
Ken

I've got an email into Lingenfelter asking if the options to the package are needed. If so why or why not.. Example.. Will the stock tranny handle the HP from the Supercharger .
Tranny on the SUb went at 85,000 miles.. Fortunately my wife's step brother has a tranny shop, Didn't save any $$ , I just know it was done right.

Mike

Mike </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Ken My Girl has 34's on it so it is not a big deal but would it change the gear ratio equevilant much?
Thanks
TAZ

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
At the bottom of this link is a performance chart that includes the stock set up.

http://motortrend.com/features/perfo...0308_tuner_h2/

BTW, that truck has 33's on it which is close to having 4.56 gears. I did the math a long time ago and it equated to nearly nothing in the performance department. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Ken also I would think with 05's coming out with improved Hp and torque as well as a complete software upgrade for 2005 it would be possible tht 05 would have stronger numbers out of factory. From website you listed it would probably be a better baseline but, it may be neglegable.
Thanks
TAZ

[Fastest H-Town Realtor]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
I have video of a Ford turbo lighting losing to Ken. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats a supercharged Lightning...yea,i know...but I own one, so I'm nit-picky.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Sorry for the brain fart. It was several hours later where I'm at when I made the post. I had umped 12 games and about dead. But, like You said results still the same. By the way i like the Ford Lighting. Almost got one myself.
TAZ