cruise control sucks donky ding dongs!!!

[TheGoodHummerMan]

Mac,

It appears that Big Z, your compatriot, is lacking basic self-control if he gets so terribly upset over something so trivial. Ever recommend anger management to him? He must have many issues...

Did you notice the errors in grammar and spelling in his last, short, message? I don't think these were just typos either:

... best you've got; not best you got

... intelligence not intelligents

... comprehension not comprehention

As you know all too well, everyone (including myself, of course) makes typos now and then, but in his case he just doesn't seem to be very literate.

Hey Mac, how do you like the profanity? Using profanity is often a sign of someone lacking an adequate vocabulary, isn't it? Oh, but I forgot --- you agree with him?

Ed

[MAC]

Big Z, I understood your original posts perfectly and agree.

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"Ed you may want to take a Prozac before you read my post." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

I will pass on the prozac, maybe save it until I really need it?

I just got home from a dinner up in Tampa, with some very special, "old" friends... One of whom was a chopper jockey that I first met exactly 33 years ago today. It just reminded me, once again, how wonderful and fantastic it is to be alive.

As for the really meaningless stuff? I drove the 60-some miles back home from Tampa on I-75 (we don't say "the 75") and I decided to try using the tow/haul mode selection. It surprised me that as I was driving along at about 75mph, turning approximately 2100rpms --- hitting the tow/haul button did not increase rpms at all, or have any other immediately noticeable affect...

But, as I drove along, I crossed several overpasses and did NOT experience the dreaded downshifts. I was just beginning to think that this had cured the problem when, for NO reason at all, the H2 shifted down, the engine increased to about 2900 rpms, and then almost immediately --- shifted back into fourth gear. We weren't even on an overpass.

Totally flabergasted, I turned off the tow/haul mode --- again with no noticeable change in engine revs --- and drove the rest of the way back "normally".

I don't know exactly how many overpasses we had to climb, but the H2 never downshifted again. I don't know why. It seems as though the H2 has a mind of its own? Maybe instead of getting a programmer and supercharger, I need to hire an exorcist?

I guess I will start keeping a log of when it downshifts and also when it doesn't... When I get enough data, say in two or three years --- I will publish a treatise on the shifting vagaries of the Hummer H2 when using cruise control.

What I did notice was that my previous posts were not absolutely accurate in that I said the downshifts were from 4th gear to 3rd gear, when in fact --- the downshifts go from 4th gear to 2nd gear. It is not just a gentle shift when it does this, it is extreme... and most annoying. Passengers riding with me usually gasp or jump and ask me what's wrong...

Maybe it's a gremlin?

Ed

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"You are losing it, got to pay attention to words, but let me just say it again in English. On regular flat freeway with minor hills cruise control works flawlessly"

"This included going over San Mateo bridge which has a section that rises way above the water to allow ocean going vessels to pass under it. The climb is not sharp not constant and goes up high."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Mac,

Me losing it? Maybe so. Maybe you can explain so I can understand --- your previous comment in the message dated 6/21/03 at 7:42pm PDT? Quoting you exactly:

"According to my observation, with cruise control on, even on very constant steep climb, I am talking about 7,000 ft elevation mountain pass not freeway overpass, the speed remained constantly same."

"VERY CONSTANT STEEP CLIMB"??? 7000 feet??? But now you claim you said "minor hills"? And then in the next sentence you say it "goes up high". (see quote at top of this message) Yep, I am very confused.

I guess we MIGHT be talking semantics? What is high to you is not high to me or vice versa? I'll admit that you have me so confused now that I am not sure what we were talking about. You do agree that your H2 downshifts when using the cruise control, "on regular flat freeway with minor hills"? Aren't you agreeing with the event, but maybe just disagreeing about the degree of its impact or feel while driving???

How do you explain the fact that my GMC Denali did NOT do this but the H2 does? If I quantify it as being jolting and rather severe but you say yours is nearly imperceptible --- maybe your H2 is not experiencing the same thing to the same degree? Obviously several other people have reported a similarly "disturbing" occurence. So, it probably isn't just one person's imagination?

While it might be of interest and even helpful to know that you are not experiencing this problem, it doesn't mean that there isn't a problem, does it? Here on the west coast of Florida the interstate highways are pretty much flat & level. Generally speaking, the ONLY hills are those that are man-made for the purpose of creating an overpass. They are very common however, and almost EVERY single one I cross causes this behavior. It is quite distracting and bothersome and disrupts an otherwise extremely pleasant and comfortable ride.

It is almost as if the cruise control is too sensitive? Or, maybe it has something to do with shift points or torque management (whatever that is). All I know is that the Denali did NOT do this, nor any other cruise control equipped vehicle I can remember owning...

Irregardless, it certainly looks, after re-reading your messages, like it is your wording that is most suspect, more than my comprehension anyways? But don't sweat it, you don't need to apologize...

Ed

[MAC]

Phil, today I have some production setback in my business, we experienced 20% to 80% defects in the production of a series of new products, higher mold cost, delivery delays and unexpected technical difficulties on assembly lines in 3 locations, with a million pieces of rejected parts. Everything sort of jump up this afternoon. Younger days, I would get all excited, jump up and down, shouting on 3 lines at the same time, buy the tickets and fly out there with my team tonight. But today I just sat by the pool side and talked clamly to the managers 10,000 miles away. By the end of the day, there is no solution yet, but I have no doubt somehow everything will always work out fine, everybody will be happy and the project will be profitable. The difference is experience.

Getting back to Hummer. It takes a few months to get to know the Hummer's capabilities and shortcomings. I didn't have enough power, now I got more than enough power and I have no problem high or low speed. I used to back into other autos but no more. The head light was awful but there are great now and the solutions were cheap. It used to be huge but now it is just NORMAL. I don't need a programmer because I am the programmer, I am "as one" with my Hummer. Cruise downshifts seemed a little odd at first but now seem normal. I don't need supercharger because I can go as fast as I legally can any time and I do, as long as I am willing to pay for the gas. I used to worry about gas cost but no more because I accepted the price of Hummer joy.

I have no leak, no rust, no paint chips, no problem with cruise control or suspension or transmission, no rattle, no dirty look, trouble free turn key operation every happy day. I don't think I am the only one.

Life is never perfect, but you can make it perfect, it starts from your mind.

[Big Z]

As far as the cruise system--considering the weight, drag, aerodynamics, and terrain--It gets the job done.
At 65MPH+, (with full tank of fuel) most all inclines, headwind, and overpasses will cause downshifts, (my user says 70, and 70 it will be!!!. ) No matter what.
Try running in the tow/haul Mode, notice a difference? Tow something around--get that computer up to speed on your driving habits. It'll learn

[Big Z]

Thanks Mac! I was kinda suprised by the response it brought.

[TonkaH2]

I've ranted on the shift point thing in the past, and I concur there IS a technology problem in there somewhere. You can't tell me the 6100 doesn't put out enough torque to push uphill slightly at 65 without a downshift. My 2 previous Tahoes and Suburbans, all with 5700's, never had the problem.

The tow/haul did help quite a bit. But what got me was that towing a 3500 lb. vehicle with the family, luggage, and a dog in the back, I also thought there was ample power: the shifting was the same without the T/H. I'd like to see them address it so I'll call Hummer.

-Jack
Yellow H2 adv. Warn winch
Can't go traveling yet
www.sunspotnatural.com

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WhiteH2Kid:
"The H2s have cruise control?..."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They sure do, and some have colors too.

Ed

[czar]

My parents old Ford Econoline Custom van used to do the same thing. Everytime you were going uphill with the cruise on it had to drop a gear or two to maintain speed.

[MAC]

Ed you may want to take a Prozac before you read my post.

I came home from San Jose last night at 1AM. I used the cruise control for many miles both ways and I had no problem with the cruise control. The speed was constant 75MPH without change, the freeway goes thru beautiful lush green California rolling hills, smooth top condition rolling freeway built for high speed driving, at 75, almost everyone else was passing me. There was no downshift on most hills, downshifted several times to keep the 3.5 tons at 75MPH, but were at spots where I anticipated.

I don't know if many of you have a cruise problem or not, I don't and can't drive your Hummer. Just for your comparison use, I don't have a cruise control problem.

[Big Z]

What's so hard to understand? Either your system is working properly and you don't understand why it happening, or you have an electro/mechanical problem. It, (there's that word again) could be something as simple as a vacuum leak, a bad board, or defective trans part. You could be causing more damage by not getting it, (Your Hummer, trans, Cruse control, computer ect.) checked out.

[MAC]

"On regular flat freeway with minor hills cruise control works flawlessly. Only on rare steep climb... "

You are losing it, got to pay attention to words, but let me just say it again in English. On regular flat freeway with minor hills cruise control works flawlessly, without any downshift nor RPM jump, including overpasses. I have seen this subject before so I have been paying attention and making mental notes. This included going over San Mateo bridge which has a section that rises way above the water to allow ocean going vessels to pass under it. The climb is not sharp not constant and goes up high.

[NSXer]

H2 bill--> I'm going to do what you did! Supercharger! I'm holding out for the kenne bell, so the intake, exhaust, and programmer will have to do for now. Thanks bud.

If you like bikes... Check out http://www.usualsuspex.com

[MAC]

Ed has a way to go on and on and break down the letters and words that no man can remain sane and unconfused after reading his message. Just to think about how I need to tell the story again to make him understand makes me tired (how’s that as a clear sentence?) I have seen his victims unknowingly tried to answer his questions one by one, only to get trapped even deeper hopelessly. I used the cruise for a few miles on 280 freeway today, there is no flat freeway on 280 which runs through the coastal mountains, it was just not a problem to me. I’ll try the cruise again tomorrow, we have to go to San Jose tomorrow night for a dinner. Hold your horses.

[NSXer]

Does anyone elses cruise control suck? Even the slightest inclines cause mt H2 to downshift when i'm on cruise control, but if I'm not in cruise it will go up much steeper inclines... holding a steady speed... without downshifting. I can't stand it! Can anyone with a "re-programmed" computer, (removing torque management), tell me if their H2 still does this???

It is unacceptable to me!

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Z:
"Does it do what it's suppose to do??--Yes.
Does it do It Differently than your use to?-- reason for the thread.
Is It, Like Nothing Else? Absolutly.
Is it working correctly?--I think so!
I use the cruse a lot. I thought there was something wrong at first also, but have since, changed my mind. What I thought was annoying, was the H2 trying to maintain the set speed, (what ever the load) for the weight, and terrain it's in. The H2 Will downshift 2 or 3 gears to maintain your setpoint. Small inclines, overpasses, and hills, Pull it Down to third or just let it do it's thing. "<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought Mac was hard to understand until you posted this message...

When you refer to "IT" do you mean the Hummer H2 or the H2's cruise control?

You say that you thought something was wrong with the way the cruise control was working on your H2 and found it annoying --- and then say you changed your mind. What happened to change your mind? Maybe a head injury or illness?


You said: "What I thought was annoying, was the H2 trying to maintain the set speed, (what ever the load) for the weight, and terrain it's in."

I don't find the cruise control annoying when it causes a downshift when going up a steep hill --- that is exactly what it should do. But it should not do that when driving on level, almost perfectly flat, terrain!

If you do NOT have the cruise control on and you approach a relatively FLAT overpass my H2 does not shift down in order to maintain the speed. As a matter of fact, I can speed up while going over an overpass and not cause the transmission to shift down to a lower gear.

But, with the cruise control on, going over the very same overpass, the transmission downshifts, engine rpms increase and almost immediately the transmission shifts back into fourth gear. It is still annoying to me...

In fact, although it happens very rarely, I have experienced occasions when the cruise control causes a downshift when not going up any hill at all. Maybe a gust of wind triggers it? In any case, it is quite annoying...

I have owned MANY vehicles made by GM, cars, vans, trucks and SUVs --- that all had cruise control and I have never experienced this behavior before.

Is your suggestion for addressing this irritating problem to either always drive in third gear or to just accept the annoying downshifts? Why wouldn't it be appropriate to contact Hummer and ask about this problem?

Ed

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
"South Texas is very flat and I will not use the CC as it is seriously badly setup. The slightest hill will have it kicking down, yet I don't need to kick down to maintain the same speed if not using CC. It even kicks down on the flat sometimes just for fun. It maintains the speed very well, but shifts way too much, for me anyway."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
PhilD,

I've had the downshift on level ground too, but I was afraid that if I claimed that, Mac would have a major fit and call me a bull in a china shop again.

Badrap is supposed to report if reprogramming the computer helps with this problem, but he hasn't reported in after several days. Hopefully he is just too busy enjoying his better functioning cruise control to post a reply?

I'm a real fan of cruise control. Can't imagine not having it, especially on long, boringly repetitive trips... But, I think I might have to join you and stop using it. Uggggh! How horrible. There MUST be some fix for this??? Maybe if you select the TOW mode for everyday cruise control use it would solve the problem? Just run in third gear ALL the time...

Has anyone officially contacted Hummer Inc? Time to look the number up, I guess?

Ed

[TheGoodHummerMan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MAC:
"First about the cruise control, there is nothing more can be said at this point.

1- Tipping is a foreign concept in most foreign countries, service is usually exceptional with no tip.

2- It is the employers’ responsibilities to pay reasonable good wages to employees so they don’t have to depend on tips and favors.

3- Mailmen make more money and have better benefits than most of the people they serve, to do their job promptly and correctly is their job, pride and honor, it is shameless for any USPS union employees to accept tips. "
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mac, what happened to the dollar per post theory of yours? Now you declare the topic ended? Are you the Hummer King or what? I guess since YOU are done --- that means that IT is done? Your arrogance is showing again...

1.) Now you are an expert on tipping in "most" foreign countries too? Your amazing abilities are only overshadowed by your excessive ego. Maybe you've traveled in "mostly" DIFFERENT countries than I have? Or, you have once again tried to back your previous comments with some vague generalization that bears no resemblance to reality. Or, maybe you're basing these observations upon the fact that some foreign countries, "mostly" those in Europe --- include the grats in the bill and you aren't expected to tip any more?

2.) Okay. That is your idea of reality? Then, there is the way life REALLY is... Maybe in a perfect world it would work the way you suggest?

3.) And how many years of experience do you have as a USPS letter carrier? None? Interesting that you again pose as an expert on a topic which you have no knowledge of. Your opinion on this is way off track... If anyone wants to tip someone, they have every right in the world to do so. To refuse a tip would be an insult and extremely rude... And, if a letter carrier does something extra, for example deliver the mail to the door of someone who is recovering from a broken hip or leg --- I suppose that is just "expected"?

Tipping a valet parker $2 might be acceptable from someone who is poor and can't afford to tip a reasonable amount. It sounds to me like you don't have enough experience in the "real world". Maybe you just spend to much time at the country club?

Ed

[BADRAP]

I just put the programmer in mine today, so I will tell you soon...

BADRAP
03 H2, Lux, Pewter, Granatelli Diablo Programmer, Airaid intake, TB Spacer, more stuff soon..
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