I won this ebayauction -03 h2 good/bad?

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
W1N I don´t know about Finland. But when registrating a car coming from outside of the EU to sweden everything needs to be standard.
For example a Lingenfelter would not be accepted buy the registrationauthorities over here.
You might wan´t to check the regulations in Finland.


Peter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you mean by "everything needs to be standard"?

I know that EU has legistlation conserning automotive industry, but it is treated very differently in different countries. Some countries do not follow it at all and some do it very strictly. Finland is very strict about most things (very very strict), but I have not encountered reason why Lingenfelter SC would be prohibited. I've even talked to the authorities about it and only thing there is, is that the vehicle must fulfill certain standards as a whole. Naturally I'll check this right before I have my truck sent to the Lingenfelter, but currently I do not see a problem there.

In Czeck Republic there is Hummer store that sell Lingenfelter packages (both 500hp and 700 hp). http://www.hummer.cz/

Thanks!

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
For EU use, you may just be able to modify the circuit & turen one of them into a rear fog, which I believe is required?

While I am still waiting for info from the dealer, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to see if any member here is affiliated with dealers on the right (east) coast? Getting the vehicle to port would be a bit easier, not to mention the cost for truck or rail. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sclui56,

Right, I need to modify one of the rear light to a fog light, and in the older version one had to be installed. Now these new ones can be used. Thanks for the pictures!!!

I agree that it would be much wiser to deal with east cost dealers since that's were the truck will be shipped out anyways. But, if you can get info from your contact that is extremely valuable for me! What do you think of those Autotrader-adds? Used or new?

Thanks!!!

[Mully]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
Thanks all for your thoughts. The thing is that many people have told me before that a waterdamaged car does not allways have to be terrible. So can you explain what could happen in worse case w the truck in the future?(salt/fresh water.)
Seller mentioned in the description that the truck had been in the shop for some work/change of parts. Due to this it does not mean that it should be safe enough to buy you think?

W1N I do search autotrader.com, but it seems hard to find a H2 for less than 35000 w decent miles. But thanks for the link.

Peter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! My first real chance to post and I can't tell if this thread is a joke or not
Assuming this isn't a joke...Here's your sign...

Dude, I don't want to be to harsh on you but you need to work on your ebay skills. The seller of that "possible" Hummer has only sold 2 things on ebay with that name! And, one was another trashed car!! Sure he has a 100% positive feedback rating. He probably sold it to his mother. I have bought and sold cars on ebay and by far the most important thing to look at, for me mind you, is the number of items sold, for what value, and the feedback history. You said yourself you have two ebay accounts. If it were me I would NOT pay for this and take the negative feedback. Legal contract or not you were obviously out of your mind when you bid for it. You appear to be regaining your senese now by coming to a community of Hummer owners and asking for advice...LISTEN! Quit bidding on the junkers and get yourself a real one. If you can't afford it buy something else. There has to be more than one car in this world that excites you.

Ok, so, worst case is what you want to know? How about you just blew 32K+ on a Hummer that won't run. You then spend 10K on it to get it right and then you still have problems with it as long as you own it. Water and electrical systems do NOT go well together. Short of gutting all the electrical equipment how will you ever be able to diagnose electrical problems with certainty. I am no mechanic but that would be a fear of mine. So again, worst case, you just bought a 32K+ paper weight. But hey, an upside. Re-list it with ebay as the largest paper weight in the world, find someone who has lost their mind, and maybe you can recapture your loss

Now that I have gently bashed you over the head why don't you PM me. I will work for you free of charge to help you find what you are looking for. I love shopping with other peoples money and I do it responsibly. I also have an open carfax account for a few more weeks so don't spend your money on that. Give me exactly what you want. We will take our time and find just the right one.

In all of 2 minutes I found this one which has to be better than what you got and for near the same price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4549051 775&rd=1

or this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4549836 463&rd=1

[W1N]

Mully,

Would you mind checking this one:
VIN 5GRGN23U25H126989

Thanks!

[Mully]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">5GRGN23U25H126989 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just tried running it and this was the reply..."The CARFAX© database currently contains no records for this vehicle. Please check back again soon, as our database is continually updated." Is it possible you have it wrong?

[Mully]

Figured it out. I went back to the site. Entered the VIN into the "Free Start Your Search Now!" spot and it came back that it is an O5 Hummer with zero records on file. I then logged in, gave it the same vin and again it gave me the message that it gave above with no mention of the type of vehicle it is.

Sounds to me like it is brand new and never titled. Hope that helps.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mully:
Figured it out. I went back to the site. Entered the VIN into the "Free Start Your Search Now!" spot and it came back that it is an O5 Hummer with zero records on file. I then logged in, gave it the same vin and again it gave me the message that it gave above with no mention of the type of vehicle it is.

Sounds to me like it is brand new and never titled. Hope that helps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was what it was supposed to be!

Thanks!!

[Peter etg]

W1N
A friend of mine imported a Suburban with some kind of modified engine which gave the truck another 50 or so hp.
He was not able to registrate it. He had to put the truck to it´s original before he was able to reg.
Another friend imported a GMC Yukon XL. with some kind of airride. Same here. Not possible.

Peter

[W1N]

Hey Peter!

I just read an article about superchargers, how they are legel in Finland if the vehicle passes the emission tests. Naturally I will make sure this is valid, but right now everything points to the direction where SC would be possible.

Your info sounds kinda weird because I'm sure there are many many older US vehicles in Sweden like mustangs etc that have been tuned-up for cruising. Why those are legal? Or do you not have them in Sweden?

btw, I have a contact of a Finnish person that has done some seaches for Hummers in North-America and imported them to Finland. People contact him tell what they want and he searches that and gets it to Finland. Price for the hasn't been too bad. If you want his contact info, let me know. He lives in Canada. He might be interested getting you one.

Thanks!

[sclui56]

W1N,

Have you considered contacting some of the companies doing this end-to-end auto export?

http://www.globalcarpoint.com/
http://www.autoexportusa.com

I never use them and really don;t know anything about them, but these 2 appear to have affiliates in Finland.

I honestly don't beleive a regular US franchised dealer is the way to go unless you intend to be state-side to purchase the vehicle first, these dealerships have too much at risk in shipping a new unregistered vehicle.

May be you can also use a buying service where they can get the vehicle for you, and possibly arrange for export.

BTW, still haven;t heard back from my dealer, so I won't hold my breath...

[W1N]

Thanks! I have to see what the serious options are and go from there. Hopefully I can find somebody here that can halp me look for used one that is just bearly used and is what I'm looking for. I think I'll wait till the 2006 comes out since the news about the upgrades will be out before the summer is over.

Thanks!

[AHels]

From what I've been able to work out, importing a non-stock vehicle to Europe is fine as long as it is still classed as road-worthy in the EU - i.e. check weight, emission etc restrictions with your local test-center.

The problem is that if it's not stock it will have to go through a full test as they wont have an already approved vehicle to test it against.

So basically you'll have to sit a full Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) test yourself. This is where they check the car from top to bottom and comments on anything you'll have to change to get it approved. Once approved you can then get it registered, insured and finally enjoy the ride

I'm guessing this is pretty much the same in all of Europe as it's set by EU guidelines - and although some states (Sweden in particular) have managed to opt out of various clauses (booze, tobacco etc) the vehicle tests should be the same all over the place for safety reasons.

Of course, if you want pretty much a stock vehicle, but stock, get it approved using the short test and add your supercharger etc afterwards - at which time it'll still need to go through 'bilprovningen' but should pass rather easily as they then only check your modifications. Also, make sure you'll get insured with mods - I know the insurance companies are quite ok in Sweden, but still something to bear in mind before buying/modding.

Hope that helps somewhat.

[Peter etg]

I agree.
Good information!
So many people descripe huge trouble registrating a modified unit.
Not worth the enormous hassle.
Old cars (i belive older than 20 years or something) - different rules.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AHels:
From what I've been able to work out, importing a non-stock vehicle to Europe is fine as long as it is still classed as road-worthy in the EU - i.e. check weight, emission etc restrictions with your local test-center.

The problem is that if it's not stock it will have to go through a full test as they wont have an already approved vehicle to test it against.

So basically you'll have to sit a full Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) test yourself. This is where they check the car from top to bottom and comments on anything you'll have to change to get it approved. Once approved you can then get it registered, insured and finally enjoy the ride

I'm guessing this is pretty much the same in all of Europe as it's set by EU guidelines - and although some states (Sweden in particular) have managed to opt out of various clauses (booze, tobacco etc) the vehicle tests should be the same all over the place for safety reasons.

Of course, if you want pretty much a stock vehicle, but stock, get it approved using the short test and add your supercharger etc afterwards - at which time it'll still need to go through 'bilprovningen' but should pass rather easily as they then only check your modifications. Also, make sure you'll get insured with mods - I know the insurance companies are quite ok in Sweden, but still something to bear in mind before buying/modding.

Hope that helps somewhat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The deal is, in Finland atleast, Hummer is not in any ways approved vehicle. So it really doesn't matter if I have stock, 500hp or 750 hp engine, it is still not approved in any way. The difficulty with tuned up H2 is that there is no factory results regarding the issues you mentioned. Current H2's in Finland have been somewhat questionable because there is not a EU approven test results available and all of the
H2's have had generally not accepted test results when people have registered their H2's. So, if I have understood the thing correctly, I will have a buddy of mine (guy who has done this before) do all the regulative work and find all the test results. We only have to provide info about emissions after the SC is installed since other stock results will apply after tune up. I hope registration officials think the same way.

It is not possible to register the H2 first and then intall the SC, since the vehicle need to be in US where I plan have it all done and I'm not in intention of sending it back...

Thanks!

[AHels]

You're right. The Hummer's, be it a H1, H2 or even an H3 are not currently approved in Europe. Simply because GM haven't went through the trouble to get them approved as of yet - looks to change as they were talking about actually importing them themselves (GM Austria I believe?).

That being said, there are lots of Hummers on the European roads and they are all approved by EU legislation. The thing is, they need to go through the SVA test (may be called something different in Finland) for the full vehicle check-up, unless, you can provide them with a certificate of a previously approved vehicle of the same make, model and year - in which case they do a limited test only.

These certificates used to be sold for a quite lot of money across europe as it saved the private importer from doing all the work themself. The bottom line is, any vehicle can be made road-legal in Europe, even with a 1000hp engine if you so like, it just means they will need to take the full test.

As for only providing emission results, you should be alright as long as the HP isn't way overboard. Obviously, adding more HP needs better brakes etc etc etc which will all have a part to play in getting it approved in the first place.

Or you could just do what I'll be doing, drive it on US plates (for a while atleast)

[Peter etg]

Ahels. Are you in Sweden ?

[AHels]

Well... err.. no

I'm actually in the UK, but sort of viking blooded or whatever.
Have checked out the regulations extensively though, as I'll be bringing a H2 over fairly soon and insurance in the UK is gonna cost me a f'ing bomb (£7500.00) I think was the best quote I've getten so far. So I figured, check if I can get it registered and insured in Sweden using an address over there, first quote I got was in the region of £2300.00

So I've decided to drive it on US plates from LA to Key West, have it shipped over and continue our little road-trip throughout Europe (still on US plates) and only have it modified and everything once we're ready to go back to work

Now, you're not supposed to drive on foreign plates for more than.. I think.. two weeks (if in your own country) or three months (if in a different country) but hey, there are ways around that.

Finally, as for you trying to get a bargain of eBay.. watch what you're doing - especially getting it from so far away. You may be better off looking in Europe for a comparable priced model, seen a few '03s going in the UK for around £29000.00 lately - or check with rindab.se

[sclui56]

W1N,

Had to p/u some parts yesterday so I spoke with the manager at the dealer. The deal is like before, if you want to by used, there's no problem for them to facilitate in getting the vehicle shipped, otherwise, on a new vehicle, you will need to find a valid person & address in the U.S. to whom this new vehicle is suppose tyo be registered to, the dealer would then issue a "MSO", which is sort of like a temporary title, and the vehicle will be titled properly once it reaches the destination state (obviously this will not happen).

The whole point of doing an out-of-state sale is to alleivate the sales tax, and I was told that once the "MSO" is issued at the time of sale, the trucking company can actually p/u the vehicle from the selling dealer to the port of your choice.

So your intention of adding mods to the vehicle before crossing the pond is only going to complicate matters, unless you have a very dear friend state-side to oversee the entire process.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
W1N,

Had to p/u some parts yesterday so I spoke with the manager at the dealer. The deal is like before, if you want to by used, there's no problem for them to facilitate in getting the vehicle shipped, otherwise, on a new vehicle, you will need to find a valid person & address in the U.S. to whom this new vehicle is suppose tyo be registered to, the dealer would then issue a "MSO", which is sort of like a temporary title, and the vehicle will be titled properly once it reaches the destination state (obviously this will not happen).

The whole point of doing an out-of-state sale is to alleivate the sales tax, and I was told that once the "MSO" is issued at the time of sale, the trucking company can actually p/u the vehicle from the selling dealer to the port of your choice.

So your intention of adding mods to the vehicle before crossing the pond is only going to complicate matters, unless you have a very dear friend state-side to oversee the entire process. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks a great deal!!!

I'm working on a couple options currenly. So I'm hoping there is still a slight chance of getting a brand new one. Otherwise I have to start looking for a used one that is as new as possible.

btw, does that person in US have to be living in the same state as the dealer? Because I have few friends who might be willing to help me out.

Next, when the truck is registered to that person and the MSO is issued, the dealer would send it to Lingenfelter for little tune-up. Once finished I will come to States (I'll have business trips over seas every now and then) and test it before sending it to Finland. I have contact who has sent numerous H2's over here, so he'll take care of the sending etc... How does this sound?

One thing I didn't get... So, if the MSO is issued to a person in different State than the dealer, there would not be a sales tax? Why would anubody buy a truck from your home state? Could you clarify.

What do you mean over see the whole process? I think what you just described there is not much to be over seen.

Thanks again for your time!!!

[sclui56]

W1N,

The whole issue of using an owner in a state different than the selling dealer is to avoid paying sales tax in the state where the dealer is located at the time of sale. However, the buyer is subject to sales & use tax of his/her home state when the vehicle is registered there, which may be a lot less than the seller's state.

In your case, this is a moot point as the vehicle will not be titled in the U.S., all you are after is getting the MSO so that the transport company can legally ship it.

Now I really don't know of all the in's & out's in terms of the time frame in which your friend(s) must act from the time the MSO is issued till the time the vehicle needs to be titled in the state of domicile, and every state has its own little twists in motor vehicle regs.

Think about this for a moment, if you want to have a NEW vehicle, modified to your specs, and be in a position to ship it home, even if you have to pay sales tax, the worst is that it will add another $5K to the acquisition cost But this would be the safest since you'll be able to inspect & test the vehicle after it's been tuned, just one less surprise.

While this is only STATE tax rates (not including local & other municipal taxes), this should give you a flavor in choosing your friend wisely:

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html