Tragic. And just before XMAS.

[PARAGON]

When he died, he was out of his mind and had no idea of what was going on. He died of exposure. He became a nutcase hours before he actually passed. At least hours.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Boar-Ral

I can understand both sides of the argument, here. The ordeal was the result of a series of poor decisions, which in itself is a shame. We can criticize someone for the decisions they made, but I can look back at things I have done, and in retrospect, I should have known better. It was late, and he might have been tired, upset, etc. That can really affect your judgement and cause you to make decisions you might not have in a clear frame of mind.

On the other hand, when he did realize how bad the situation, he did what he felt was right, which itself was another poor decision. His heart was in the right place, even if his mind was not. I think what causes me to be the saddest is that when he died, he probably did not know that his family had been located, and might have assumed they were experiencing the same fate as himself.

I think that the best way that the media could have reported this is with the facts. Just tell it like it is, and leave it up to individuals to respond how they feel appropriate. I shouldn't feel that the media is tugging at my heartstrings the way they are setting it up. I should feel that way -- or not feel that way -- based upon what happened, plain and simple, and how I feel about that.

I would probably still feel badly for him and his family, but at least I would be making that decision completely on my own.

As always it's things like

"made the fateful turn"

"canyon of death"

"minutes from shelter"

"a meticulously planned mission that he was certain would lead to his family's rescue"



Then if you go back and read many of the reports, they are all conflicting. One says his body was found seven miles from the car, another said he was found a mile as the crow flies. One says that he died only hours before his body was found, medical examiner says he can't tell when he died.

[Boar-Ral]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

When he died, he was out of his mind and had no idea of what was going on. He died of exposure. He became a nutcase hours before he actually passed. At least hours.

Very true. I never considered that, even though I should have. That was the reason I figured he was going in a circle. (Based on one of the reports, at least.) It never occurred to me that he would not be with it in the final hours.

[Boar-Ral]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

As always it's things like

"made the fateful turn"

"canyon of death"

"minutes from shelter"

"a meticulously planned mission that he was certain would lead to his family's rescue"



Then if you go back and read many of the reports, they are all conflicting. One says his body was found seven miles from the car, another said he was found a mile as the crow flies. One says that he died only hours before his body was found, medical examiner says he can't tell when he died.

I started reading more reports today, after being reminded of it here. There are certainly more and more conflicting reports, though in the end, it doesn't matter. It won't bring him back.

[Boar-Ral]

This is the sort of thing that I think most of us are concerned with:

"Official: Kim 'did nothing wrong'

"James Kim did nothing wrong," Hastings said. "He was trying to save his family."

Kim had walked five miles up a road, then five more miles down rugged Big Windy Creek. Despite his long hike, he was only a mile from the car, which was near the road to the lodge.

On Thursday, the Kim house -- with its cheery, red garage door and window sills, perched up a small hill -- stood dark and empty in San Francisco's Noe Valley neighborhood.

A few blocks away, a sign outside Church Street Apothecary, one of the Kims' two boutiques, read: "We will be closed for a few days. Please respect our privacy."

Below the sign, scores of flowers, cards and candles conveyed warm wishes from neighbors.

"Your dad is a hero. Your dad is a great, kind man. He will always love you very much," said a handmade card written in a child's scrawl, signed by "Malia.""

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by Mrs.ssippi

I just think the guy was not thinking. Smart people do stupid things all the time. My question is where was he going? Did he really think he could go for help? I have no survivor skills but I think (and I said think) I would build a fire. And then the smoke from the fire maybe would attract some attention and then someone would find me. I live in the south, it never snows here, just ice. But I keep a blaket, a pair of tennis shoes and a 12 pack of Diet Dr. Pepper in my car at all times. And most of the time if you look on the floor of the car you can find at least a happy meal of old fries and chicken nuggets. We also keep MRE's in the Hummer at all times. But I keep all of that stuff just in case. Why? I don't know will it keep me and my kids alive? No, but it makes me feel better. I don't think anyone is saying that we are happy that this happened. It is a sad thing, lets just learn from this and move on. Everyone here keep some stuff in the truck that could help you. Something like MRE's, a small hatchet, some matches and anything you think might help you out. Hey Dennis, DRTY and Rocks. What do ya'll keep in your truck, the weather is crazy around you guys.

That's good advice. I also keep tools, a blanket, power bars, water and an ammo can full of survival tools in my truck.

There's obviously a lot we can learn from the guy's mistakes. But sooner or later everyone gets in over their head. No one is foresighted enough to know everything, plan for every contingency and make all the right decisions to solve every problem every time.

[DR EVIL]

Moral of the Story:
Next time you are lost and your wife tells you to pull over and get directions....
Do it.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Give me a fvcking break.

"Where's your hear of gold, paragon?"

What the fvck is that? Could your pussy hurt any worse?

It's called karma. What goes around comes around. Someday, when you have a heart attack at the parts store, I hope somebody stops to help you instead of saying, "serves you right fatso" and walking off.

[DR EVIL]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

That's good advice. I also keep tools, a blanket, power bars, water and an ammo can full of survival tools in my truck.

There's obviously a lot we can learn from the guy's mistakes. But sooner or later everyone gets in over their head. No one is foresighted enough to know everything, plan for every contingency and make all the right decisions to solve every problem every time.

Seems like your taking this thing kinda hard. Would you like a kleenex.....

[DR EVIL]

for your sniffling .....

[DR EVIL]

and whining?

[Donkey_Kong]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

It's called karma. What goes around comes around. Someday, when you have a heart attack at the parts store, I hope somebody stops to help you instead of saying, "serves you right fatso" and walking off.

OMFG!!!!!

[KenP]

Starting a large fire on one of those conifers would have gotten them some attention.

[BKLYNH2]

so would this

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

It's called karma. What goes around comes around. Someday, when you have a heart attack at the parts store, I hope somebody stops to help you instead of saying, "serves you right fatso" and walking off.

What is called karma?

WTF are you whining and carrying on about?

Did you lose the controller to your nintendo or something?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Donkey_Kong

OMFG!!!!!

careful or I will out you.

[dеiтайожни]

[Donkey_Kong]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

careful or I will out you.

Sure thing Mr.OJ (The Juice) Simpson!

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Donkey_Kong

Sure thing Mr.OJ (The Juice) Simpson!

Nope, I don't need an AE and you don't have the balls to go down this path.

[Donkey_Kong]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Nope, I don't need an AE and you don't have the balls to go down this path.

You just got with your lies.