I was thinking.......

[HummBebe]

About getting some upgraded/heavier duty torsion bars.

I read somewhere that Rod Hall used "V8" torsion bars on his H3. Which sounds suspiciously vague.

Anyway, is it possible to use 3/4 ton bars instead of what we have now???

I know that a couple of companies make heavy duty ones for Toyota trucks.....can I use the ones for say a Silverado???

They look pretty standard. Just measure the length and the diameter?

Whaddaya all think???

[bjc]

Are you merely looking for a firmer ride or is this in response to the winch / bumper you're also thinking about? What's the objective assuming you're ok with current ride height?

By the way, speaking of Rod Hall's H3... a little bird told me his Fox shocks are shipping next week (approx $1,000 not including install). I think I'll wait until someone else releases some performance coilovers.

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

I was thinking.......

I can smell the smoke from here.....

Just SAS the damn thing and get it over with.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by bjc

Are you merely looking for a firmer ride or is this in response to the winch / bumper you're also thinking about? What's the objective assuming you're ok with current ride height?

By the way, speaking of Rod Hall's H3... a little bird told me his Fox shocks are shipping next week (approx $1,000 not including install). I think I'll wait until someone else releases some performance coilovers.

The thought process started with additional weight, yes, the possibility of a full winch bumper on the front end of a vehicle that already has issues with the size and weight as it stands.

Additionally, with the torsion bars being turned, the possibility of failure from over use is greater.

So, adding a heavy duty set of torsion bars, would possibly extend the life of the torsion bars, with the added weight and use.

It's just a thought.....


I saw the shocks...
You can get a set of custom made Bilstiens for almost half that. What are they thinking?
What makes them think that the general H3 public would want a professional racing shock? I guess they don't plan on selling very many...that's fine.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Sewie

I can smell the smoke from here.....

Just SAS the damn thing and get it over with.

You are just jealous

Maybe you need some pie????



Here, a sour pie for a sour puss

[Sewie]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

Maybe you need some pie????

[Hunner]

Chad told me about the shocks several months ago and said he could send some but I felt like they were more for steady running off road at speed than for muddin and rock crawlin.
I have the Steelcraft guard and winch mount with a Warn and my torsions cranked up 6 turns. Works just fine. Might just crank a few more to see what happens. Maybe 8!

[ree]

Originally Posted by HummBebe

The thought process started with additional weight, yes, the possibility of a full winch bumper on the front end of a vehicle that already has issues with the size and weight as it stands....

Tell me more about the front end having issues please (other than the fragile front diff).

S.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by Steve - SanJose

Tell me more about the front end having issues please (other than the fragile front diff).

S.

Aside from the front diff, and other axle components, I've gone through a front driveline and now three Rancho 9000's on the front. So, it still feels a little bouncy, (might be yet another blown shock) after I had the t-bars turned back down to 4 full turns. I'm thinking the t-bars might need to be replaced already.

I have been in Sewies truck and it feels totally different.

I've not been able to find any "symptoms" of t-bar failure online, but I have noticed that the Toyota peeps have the ability to upgrade their t-bars.

Again, I was just thinking.

[DDWH]

well damn!

[Hal]

wouldn't a real offroad suspension lift solve a lot of things? (besides our weak front diffs)
I'm still waiting and hoping one will be available some day. If FJ's and JK's don't take over the world first.

[PARAGON]

I saw the title of this thread and knew this would be a yawner

[HummBebe]

Oh sure ....fine.

Someone with some brains shows up and I don't even get a schoolin' ???

[PARAGON]

it's really not all that simple if you want to try to maintain a close to stock ride.

First the tbars have to be the same lenghth and a similar torsional rate to work with the truck. The front suspension was designed to work with that rate of bars.

I think even Rancho makes some aftermarket tbars for 'yotas, but they had to put some R&D into it.

Typically you don't have cross-over of a tbar from one vehicle to another that's on different platforms, it just wouldn't work.


I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Someone that knows metallurgy could better give an idea if it would be an answer.

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Someone that knows metallurgy could better give an idea if it would be an answer.

Well thank you...that makes sense.

OH TRENT!!!! I have a question for you

[H3PAC]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Someone that knows metallurgy could better give an idea if it would be an answer.

Tortional rigidity: A common complication of a Viagra overdose.

Metalurgy: The sensation that you are about to pee your pants at a rock concert.

Originally Posted by PARAGON

Typically you don't have cross-over of a tbar

Crossover of a tbar: A transvestite male in a female strip club.


Sorry, but I just can't help myself when you talk dirty like that.

[HummBebe]

First the tbars have to be the same lenghth and a similar torsional rate to work with the truck. The front suspension was designed to work with that rate of bars.

But if you are increasing weight and height on a half ton truck to that of a 3/4 ton truck, the 3/4 ton truck bars won't work?

I think even Rancho makes some aftermarket tbars for 'yotas, but they had to put some R&D into it.

Those are the ones I saw, and they do come in more than a couple of their lift kits.

Typically you don't have cross-over of a tbar from one vehicle to another that's on different platforms, it just wouldn't work.

K.

I would imagine there would be some way to take the bars off and by heating and cooling a little, increase their torsional rigidity but maintain their overal rate. What that would do would be to strengthen the movement so it's not as bouncy but would probably make it slightly harsher.

Would a shop like this be worth contacting??? http://sacramentospring.com/index.html

[HummBebe]

Originally Posted by H3PAC

Tortional rigidity: A common complication of a Viagra overdose.

Metalurgy: The sensation that you are about to pee your pants at a rock concert.



Crossover of a tbar: A transvestite male in a female strip club.


Sorry, but I just can't help myself when you talk dirty like that.

You have ghey on the brain......

[Desert Dan]

Maybe if the H3's sell well in Austraila ARB might get on the ball with suspensions and lockers for us.

I put heavy duty T-bars (from Downey) in my Toyota truck and they worked great I had a winch on it and it was about 1-1.5" higher than stock. They were larger diameter.

I have aslo seen some progressive (2-stage) t-bars on a toyota.

T-Bars are a bit more complicated than leaf springs and ad -leaves