Heads Up Display?

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Hey gang can someone help Me to come up with a HUD display that I can convert to the H2. I thought knowing the group We have someone that would Love to take on this challenge with Me. Maybe someone knows someone that is doing this already. I have talked to one guy who is working on taking the HUD that was used in Vettes and seeing if it would work on H2.
Any advice or direction of who to talk will be greatfully appreciated.
I know We deffinetly have some electronic genius
on this forum so I was guessing somebody already knows about how to do this.
If some one has access to the Vette HUD and would like to work with Me on converting it Please Let Me know. I know the Vette's was designed to mount into dash top sort of hidden and that is the way I would like to do it.

Is there room to cut hole in dash over the area of speedo to install one out of site?
Thanks very much for any help

TAZ

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Hey gang can someone help Me to come up with a HUD display that I can convert to the H2. I thought knowing the group We have someone that would Love to take on this challenge with Me. Maybe someone knows someone that is doing this already. I have talked to one guy who is working on taking the HUD that was used in Vettes and seeing if it would work on H2.
Any advice or direction of who to talk will be greatfully appreciated.
I know We deffinetly have some electronic genius
on this forum so I was guessing somebody already knows about how to do this.
If some one has access to the Vette HUD and would like to work with Me on converting it Please Let Me know. I know the Vette's was designed to mount into dash top sort of hidden and that is the way I would like to do it.

Is there room to cut hole in dash over the area of speedo to install one out of site?
Thanks very much for any help

TAZ

[LasVegas]

I did some research on this TAZ. Much of it is in development now for a "practical" system. I was concerned about the upright angle of H2 windshields and if I'm not mistaken the Corvettes had a special laminated windshield to make it work. I saw too many problems right now with newer technology around the corner.

[tower]

You guys have entirely too much time on your hands.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

tower You are most likely correct about Me.

Jonahs You are right about the Vette having a special laminate right where the HUD projects as does the BMW's that have it. I saw last night the name of it but, I forget what is was.

Jonahs I have not seen some of the newer technology in the pipeline. I did talk to some people that said there is a clear laminate that can be put on inside of windshield that helps the angle problem and You can not see it. Have You come across this idea in Your research. I have been told a Vette projector will work if We can find a processor or controller to tie into the H2 wiring going to the gauge cluster and read the bianary code and translate it to the Vette projector. They call it a controller or switch but, what We are talking about is just a mini computer with very little power.
I'm talking to a guy in Australia that designs HUD's for military apps and is intrigued by the idea so I do not know if he is going to mess with it. I also visited with a Vette salvage yard and some electronics people there that deal with the HUD and they said projector will work just, got to find a way to tap H2 because the H2 is not GM specific but, it has it's own code.
I talked to a Camaro owner who is converting Vette HUD to His ride and He says that the binary is the same or very similar for most all GM models and it comes from the tranny and that is where He is tapping in at the gauge cluster is the feed from tranny. It does not seem completely right as the Vette HUD tells MPH, RPM, TEMPS, and other. I do not see getting some of that info from the tranny.
Thanks Jonahs send Me some info on what is coming up and it may just pay to wait.
TAZ

[tower]

You guys are WACK! But if you can make it work…

I’m in!

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

tower I would not argue the WACK part of it but, one thing for sure if it is going to be out there at the edge of the envelope Jonahs and I have been talking about how to do it that is for sure. He is a gadget WHIZ and I'll come up with an idea every so often and He leads the way to figure it out. Most of the time He finds something out of the norm does it and then gets Me in on it. I have put in an order for a Vette HUD and waiting to see if Jonahs can discover in the H2 wiring a way We can tap into and what decoder He can come up with. If He finds something promising I'm going to have the HUD sent to Him for His H2 and I'm sending Him some software that may or may not help in research.
Well keep You posted tower but, it will come from Jonahs. I get a fruity idea and He loves a challenge and starts digging into it. So do not hesitate to ask Him where He is or if He has come across something. I have some phone time yet to spend with some Vette experts to see if they have ideas. First is to talk to Dealer Monday.
TAZ

[BLOWNZO6]

I looked on my ZO6 and cannot see anything on the winshield.

I went to the service manual for my car and found out this would be very simple. The "data" feed for the HUD is simple a Class 2 Serial Data feed. This is the same thing you monitor with your OBD2 connector under the dash. These all meet a standard so the data coming from them is consistent.

For example, I use a program called HP Tuners (www.hptuners.com) to monitor and program both by ZO6 and my H2 and you just plug the same cable into the OBDII connector and there you have it.. output.

If you can find someone that will loan you or sell you a hud relatively cheap.. you should be able to hook it up off the bench with an OBDII cable (www.scantool.net, $16) and check it for function before you even attempt to cut a hole for it.






These should help you get started.

[Black 05]

I think if you can figure this out you would have a saleable product. I sure would be interested. I liked the HUD in my Corvette.

[ChuckE]

TAZ, it is tiring to constantly read your messages with constant references to God.
Pronouns referring to God should be capitalized. Non-specific use of the word "god" should not be capitalized.
Referring to your recent (but typical use of Pronoun capitalization):<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
tower I would not argue the WACK part of it but, one thing for sure if it is going to be out there at the edge of the envelope Jonahs and I have been talking about how to do it that is for sure. He is a gadget WHIZ and I'll come up with an idea every so often and He leads the way to figure it out. Most of the time He finds something out of the norm does it and then gets Me in on it. I have put in an order for a Vette HUD and waiting to see if Jonahs can discover in the H2 wiring a way We can tap into and what decoder He can come up with. If He finds something promising I'm going to have the HUD sent to Him for His H2 and I'm sending Him some software that may or may not help in research.
Well keep You posted tower but, it will come from Jonahs. I get a fruity idea and He loves a challenge and starts digging into it. So do not hesitate to ask Him where He is or if He has come across something. I have some phone time yet to spend with some Vette experts to see if they have ideas. First is to talk to Dealer Monday.
TAZ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We all know there is just one Deity, and that is DRTYFN.

[tower]

Grat info, BLOWNZ06! Also, Taz, I'm thinking binary is binary so it should work. If there is an impedance mismatsh or translation issue (open vs. closed), that should be easy enough to overcome.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Thanks Jonahs, BlOWNZ06, and tower. I knew if i got it on here there would be Buddies that could help.
I'm trying to work a deal to get a projector from a Vette. The complete cluster and projector was around $700 from salvage but, I'm waiting on a reply to see if just the projector can be bought. I could not understand why the guy told Me that it would be hard because the H2 has a unique design. I guess he meant that the Vette cluster would not fit an H2. I looked at His email again and He said that I would need a gauge cluster to send images to projector. That clears it up more. The cluster is decoding I guess before it sends the pics through the projector to windshield.

BLOWNZ06 does that make more sense as far as what I need to be trying to do. It seems that the problem is the difference in the fact the Vette cluster is designed to interpret the signal and transmit through projector. He said the projector gets info straight from gauge cluster.

BLOWNZ06 I'm ordering the HP tuning also for My Radix. Would You send Me some tips on tuning My H2. This is going to be a new experience for Me. How hard is it to do. They told Me kid stuff?

So if I understand correctly We should not need to have the cluster sending the signal just use the diagnostic port for the signal with the cable You mentioned. Tie the cable into the projector but, the Vette guy said it had to be transmitted after decoded by the cluster. Would the projector accept the info straight from the port? Will this bypass that cluster decoding thing? The projector is just like having a monitor it needs a brain to talk to it which I guess would be the PCM or VCM. Any more thoughts. I have a gmail that KenP helped Me get. OH, the laminate for the projector is made into the windshield of the Vette. You can not see it but, it is designed to clear the picture up so it will not have shadows or be fuzzy. I have not seen one operating but was told it looks like it is a couple of meters away out over the hood. Is that true? When I went to Vette weekend in Bowling Green last Labor Day We did not get to stay long but went through the museum. I asked to see HUD then but, seemed know one could figure out what i was wanting. Alot of the people helping were from the town I think and did not know alot. Fun side trip though.
Gmail is riclove@gmail.com. Would You send the schematics to that email and any other ideas You have. Also tips on tuning with HP tuning.
That goes for You also tower if You do not mind. Jonahs and KenP you know how to reach Me. There are several more of You guys that have the knowledge to help get this done. I would not want to insult any by leaving you out of a list but, I have discussed many things with You so jump in here and help. I appreciate anyones help here. I think this would be a cool Mod for offroaders also. Jonahs said there are some new things in the pipe line that may make this attempt not worth doing and wait for the knew stuff. Jonahs would You share that info with Us and sort of a time line estimate You think it could be. Please and Thank you Buddy.

Jonahs, BLOWNZ06, and tower thank You so much for Your help. Please continue with me on this if You would. Hopefully We could get it to the point anyone who wants this mod can just get the projector and cable and go. I hope it can be that simple. I'm going to order the cable as soon as I can find out if i can get just the projector and research the laminate that is supposed to make it work on any windshield. I have not checked dealer cost but, bet it is way up there. I'm going to the local Chevy dealer and talk to the Vette specialists. He is very good and I have had the chance to visit with Him about other things. Very knowledgable man.

partsguy could You help Us with cost info and any info you can dig up on how to do this mod.

Black 05 if We can figure this out I do not care about selling it, really. I would like to see all the Hummer guys who want it to have it, if it can be worked out.

ChuckE I did not want you to think I was ignoring You. I appologise if My grammar and composition, etc. is incorrect. I have not been in school since I was 20 and at 48 I have forgotten allot. Honestly I have people who check that stuff when I write something. Makes You get lazy with grammar.
But, it has not hindered My ability to be successful as the Lord takes care of that also, along with My hard work as well. My willingness to take risk when others stand around looking at it or thinking about it to long has been a great business philosophy and has given me an edge many times.

I would most definitely have to resign My membership from this forum if gramatic ability was a prerequisite. I apologize.

Oh, just out of curiosty since You mentioned My bringing up God I did a quick search to see and found just quickly now how many times it was brought up in a conversation with me. Now this is not a total of times in the forum overall, just Me, and it was real quick so I mention it could have mistakes but, I was just curious.

DennisAJC mentioned God-1
TAZ-3 well now 4,5,6,7,8,9 since it is in this
KenP-1
ChuckE-1
DRTYFN-3

I capitalize God any time I use it when I refer to My God or something to do with Him. Just the same as Jesus or Christ or Lord.
Even the Holy Spirit. I understand the proper Use of Pronouns etc. but, I break the rules when it comes to My reverance to My belief. Very seldom do I mean just some god in general as it is the God I believe in most of the time if i bring Him up. If I discuss god in general I would not capitalize it. Do not care nor would I want to force anyone else to do the same. It is a personal thing. I also break the rule when I'm talking about someone I respect and care about unless they have a name where they do not capitalize it like tower or sometimes t~. There are many names on the forum with no capitals in them but, they are pronouns in the way they are used.
Thanks for all the help Guys.
TAZ

[LasVegas]

Awwwwwwwwww don't resign TAZ. I'd miss your grammar and interesting posts. Cool it Chuck. Who cares.

I haven't had much time to think about the HUD idea but if the Corvette cluster is compatable with H2 and both could operate at the same time why couldn't you just take the individual gauges out of the Corvette cluster and put them in a "hide away" box somewhere? Question would be can you make both clusters operate at the same time?

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

That is a good idea Jonahs. I'll ask the Vette guy Monday about that. I'm going to have the Mall Queen in shop for 2 or 3 days for check ups and bueaty aids. I'll ask service manger about it as well at Hummer Dealer. They are giving it a good go over and updates. I'm pulling all pans or covers for checkup and going back with Royal Purple synthetics. I'm trying to get ready for a bigger show and have 2 weeks to do it and allot to do. Adding a bunch of stuff new gauge face, inside door lights and chromed covers for the door lights, billet chromed inside door pulls, ext. billet chromed door buckets with blue leds that come on when door is opened or remote unlock, and the big job of getting supercharger to painter and install. Oh and My console info center with the boost gauges ect. Lots to do but,several helping. I have been collecting from sponsors and saving to do in one big job. Have a custom install shop doing some and even the Hummer Dealer doing some for free to be on sponsor board. Kind of blew My mind. I did not think they did anything for free. I'm doing the info gauge and face gauge at home do not trust anyone else to do that. If You touch gauge face with bare hands it will leave prints that are not removable. Nu-Image sent white gloves with this kit for You to wear while installing face cover. It is stainless steel.

If Dealers H3's came in over the weekend dealer is going to let me drive one for 2 or 3 days for people to see it out and about.
Talk to you later. I hope Your rig problem is very simple one.

Jonahs You know me to well. You know I'm not going to quit or run from anything. I have fought some big battles that You are aware of so I'm not going anywhere. I'd just have to go back to school rather than give up on My Buddies I have here on the forum.
Thanks
Taz

[BLOWNZO6]

WHOOOOAH.. lots of questions. LOL

As far as the cluster sending and decoding the signals... he is probably right... LasVegas already gave you the best idea. Hide the other console somewhere if it is infact necessary.. my only point is that you can try it. I still don't think it needs the cluster to do anything for it, but this is nothing more than a guess on my part. The ECU does all of the translation for the data, etc. I don't think the cluster has anything different in it. The computers for the H2 and the Corvette, all LS1's for that matter are all about the same, it makes sense that GM would use the same conventions across models.. again just a guess, but could be easily figured out with a bench test.

The image does look like it is about a meter from the window. Pretty cool.

As far a tuning goes.. I can show you about what ever you need to know. You are going to need a wideband oxygen sensor to really do anything meaningful, I have not put mine in yet. All I have done is disabled the torque management in my truck, haven't messed with shift points or anything. I have tuned my ZO6 which is making abit over 600 RWHP. I bought the software with the intention of building a turbo kit for my truck.

If there is anything I can do to you help with this let me know. If someone buys the module, I will do the bench testing on it...

Anyway.. you can download those pictures right for where they are posted, just right click and "save-as"

Looking forward to see if this will work.. don't think it is something I would do to mine, but interesting none the less. I really like it on my ZO6.

Glad I could get you started. Go to www.corvetteforum.com and you can find plenty of links just by searching for HUD, here are a few:

http://www.corvetteforum.com/techtip...=144&TopicID=1

http://joshker99.home.comcast.net/hudinstall2.htm

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Thanks BLOWNZ06
I learn a little more every day. Sorry for the length. They nicknamed Me the The Author jokingly I guess a week ago. I do get long but, trying to work on that. I have a hard time condensing My thoughts. Most just tolerate me and many have become good friends and overlook it. I think they get a kick out of it or a great big ole laugh. I do not mind as I have no trouble laughing at Myself as well.

I will need to get a wideband sensor then. Have not got far enough along to realize that.
If You can help me find what is needed to bench test I would be happy to buy it and let You see if You can make it work and ship it to Me. I hope the Vette salvage gets back to me. As I mentioned he was willing to part with cluster and projectorfor $700 but would be nice if i coud get by with just projector though. I want it for shows I take the Mall Queen to. I will go to links You mentioned. If you run across one let me know where it is and I'll make arraingements to get it to you. Just PM Me and address to ship to so I could pay for it and have it sent to You.
I'm going to the local Chevy dealer Monday and Hummer dealer as well to drop rig off for a few days and will ask tech's there as well. The Chevy place has a guy how works only on Vettes and he will most likely shed more light on this. He may infact have some stuff laying around. I have visited with Him on many things and is always happy to help. With it being something of the wall He may just help with some research and testing. He is the kind that really likes a challenge or something one of a kind to do.
Thanks so much BLOWNZ06 and let me know if You run across anything else. Pm Me if You like so I can save the messages.
if I can get this done We will put up on forum so other can do it if they want.
TAZ (Rick)

[BLOWNZO6]

Sent you a PM.

Hope you did not buy one from your Vette guy.. I found one A LOT cheaper.

Check your PM, talk to you soon.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Have not bought a HUD yet. Waiting on some prices. The Hummer Ser. manager said he thougth a scantool cable hooked to diagnastic port feeding HUD with class 2 serial data should work. I have a few more contacts to make tuesday and I will call you and start Our effort to get this done. I mentioned in My reply PM that with projector only 2" thick I think I have a guy that does interior mods with glass that could build an enclosure so dash does not have to be altered. Could hold it on with velcrow or double sided tape so it could be removed for repairs or to hide from prying eyes when away from rig.
Talk to you tuesday.

[tower]

BLOWNZO6 - Great Websites!

TAZmanian Devil - Great Attitude!

[ChuckE]

TAZ, good reply, I'm glad you didn't seem upset with my feeble attempt of humor. It really wasn't meant as anything mean.

On to the subject, about the HUD...
Aren't HUDs viewed via reflection off the inside of the windshield?
If so, doesn't the near vertical aspect of the windshield make the positioning of the display unit nearly impossible to position?

It would seem to me that maybe a display could be positioned to reflect off just the very bottom of the windscreen. I haven't seen any HUDs recently, and I have only seen one in a friend's car, years ago. So I am just asking this to clarify my understanding.