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Old 04-27-2007, 05:13 PM
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Another bashing of the liberal global warming idiots.

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How much money does it take to screw in a compact fluorescent lightbulb? About $4.28 for the bulb and labor ? unless you break the bulb. Then you, like Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine, could be looking at a cost of about $2,004.28, which doesn?t include the costs of frayed nerves and risks to health.

Sound crazy? Perhaps no more than the stampede to ban the incandescent light bulb in favor of compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs) ? a move already either adopted or being considered in California, Canada, the European Union and Australia.

According to an April 12 article in The Ellsworth American, Bridges had the misfortune of breaking a CFL during installation in her daughter?s bedroom: It dropped and shattered on the carpeted floor.

Aware that CFLs contain potentially hazardous substances, Bridges called her local Home Depot for advice. The store told her that the CFL contained mercury and that she should call the Poison Control hotline, which in turn directed her to the Maine Department of Environmental Protection.

The DEP sent a specialist to Bridges? house to test for mercury contamination. The specialist found mercury levels in the bedroom in excess of six times the state?s ?safe? level for mercury contamination of 300 billionths of a gram per cubic meter.

The DEP specialist recommended that Bridges call an environmental cleanup firm, which reportedly gave her a ?low-ball? estimate of $2,000 to clean up the room. The room then was sealed off with plastic and Bridges began ?gathering finances? to pay for the $2,000 cleaning. Reportedly, her insurance company wouldn?t cover the cleanup costs because mercury is a pollutant.

Given that the replacement of incandescent bulbs with CFLs in the average U.S. household is touted as saving as much as $180 annually in energy costs ? and assuming that Bridges doesn?t break any more CFLs ? it will take her more than 11 years to recoup the cleanup costs in the form of energy savings.

Even if you don?t go for the full-scale panic of the $2,000 cleanup, the do-it-yourself approach is still somewhat intense, if not downright alarming.

Consider the procedure offered by the Maine DEP?s Web page entitled, ?What if I accidentally break a fluorescent bulb in my home??

Don?t vacuum bulb debris because a standard vacuum will spread mercury-containing dust throughout the area and contaminate the vacuum. Ventilate the area and reduce the temperature. Wear protective equipment like goggles, coveralls and a dust mask.

Collect the waste material into an airtight container. Pat the area with the sticky side of tape. Wipe with a damp cloth. Finally, check with local authorities to see where hazardous waste may be properly disposed.

The only step the Maine DEP left off was the final one: Hope that you did a good enough cleanup so that you, your family and pets aren?t poisoned by any mercury inadvertently dispersed or missed.

This, of course, assumes that people are even aware that breaking CFLs entails special cleanup procedures.

The potentially hazardous CFL is being pushed by companies such as Wal-Mart, which wants to sell 100 million CFLs at five times the cost of incandescent bulbs during 2007, and, surprisingly, environmentalists.

It?s quite odd that environmentalists have embraced the CFL, which cannot now and will not in the foreseeable future be made without mercury. Given that there are about 4 billion lightbulb sockets in American households, we?re looking at the possibility of creating billions of hazardous waste sites such as the Bridges? bedroom.

Usually, environmentalists want hazardous materials out of, not in, our homes.

These are the same people who go berserk at the thought of mercury being emitted from power plants and the presence of mercury in seafood. Environmentalists have whipped up so much fear of mercury among the public that many local governments have even launched mercury thermometer exchange programs.

As the activist group Environmental Defense urges us to buy CFLs, it defines mercury on a separate part of its Web site as a ?highly toxic heavy metal that can cause brain damage and learning disabilities in fetuses and children? and as ?one of the most poisonous forms of pollution.?

Greenpeace also recommends CFLs while simultaneously bemoaning contamination caused by a mercury thermometer factory in India. But where are mercury-containing CFLs made? Not in the U.S., under strict environmental regulation. CFLs are made in India and China, where environmental standards are virtually non-existent.

And let?s not forget about the regulatory nightmare known as the Superfund law, the EPA regulatory program best known for requiring expensive but often needless cleanup of toxic waste sites, along with endless litigation over such cleanups.

We?ll eventually be disposing billions and billions of CFL mercury bombs. Much of the mercury from discarded and/or broken CFLs is bound to make its way into the environment and give rise to Superfund liability, which in the past has needlessly disrupted many lives, cost tens of billions of dollars and sent many businesses into bankruptcy.

As each CFL contains 5 milligrams of mercury, at the Maine ?safety? standard of 300 nanograms per cubic meter, it would take 16,667 cubic meters of soil to ?safely? contain all the mercury in a single CFL. While CFL vendors and environmentalists tout the energy cost savings of CFLs, they conveniently omit the personal and societal costs of CFL disposal.

Not only are CFLs much more expensive than incandescent bulbs and emit light that many regard as inferior to incandescent bulbs, they pose a nightmare if they break and require special disposal procedures. Should government (egged on by environmentalists and the Wal-Marts of the world) impose on us such higher costs, denial of lighting choice, disposal hassles and breakage risks in the name of saving a few dollars every year on the electric bill?
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There are also 'power quality' issues associated with the noise generated by CFLs. Low power factors (<0.5) can cause interference in your home. Start to add that up (x 4 billion) and power companies will start to have distribution issues.

The basic concept is this - basic CFLs do not generate enough power to affect most products in your home (maybe PCs or cheap cordless phones), but replace ALL the lights in your home with cheap CFLs and you run the risk of interference. Maybe not the kind you can see, but it does affect sensitive electronics.

Multiple that out by millions of homes and the amount of interference can become significant. Power Factor Corrected CFLs (with PF between .5 and .9) are best because they create significantly less interference and distorted loads.

Moral of the story: If you ARE going to buy CFLs, buy the most expensive you can. The cheapo wally-world brands are usually crap, have low power factors, and will almost definitely affect sensitive electronics in your home.
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Actually, I replaced all my interior bulbs in my place with CFLs last year, and seen a decrease in the power bill. Not a large one, but significant, and figure I do live by myself, so I have no kids or wife to follow after shutting down lights.
They weren't the cheap ones, I purchased some good GEs, or so they were rated as good GEs. I have not noticed any problems with any of my wireless stuff, such as the internet or my cell phone (only phone I have), or my wireless security cameras. Only thing I didn't like, but finally have not become used to and that is the 2-3 second hesitation before a light goes on after you flip the switch.
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I also replaced all the lights in our house with these bulbs. We have 7 ceiling fans and we use those as our main lighting so replacing the 4 bulbs on each of them has made a noticeable diff in elec. consumption. But I agee the slight delay is a little annoying. Also it seems as though they are a tad dimmer at first start up but brighten in about a minute or so. I also havent noticed any interference in any of our electronics.
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I will replace my light bulbs gradually but will stockpile some good old 100 watt light bulbs in case they outlaw them.

The delay is a pain but I will leave regular bulbs in place I need insatnt light like a basement stairway etc.

People should do it on their own to save energy and reduce electrical bills, not be forced to buy $5.00 light bulbs.
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The only complaint I have about the lamps, as I said in another thread, is that you can't dim them. Since most all of our lighting is from cans and fans on dimmers, they don't do much good for us.

We've got them in our backyard deck lights and a few lamps in the house that may stay on for many hours at a time like the one in the foyer that stays on overnight a few nights a week. Don't want to come out of the bedroom and stumble down the stairs or anything like that.

BTW, the wife doesn't like them since they don't have "cool" or "soft" light.
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I have dogs and a hyper senstive wife so no for us. I save the same amount of power by not searching for porn all the time on the computer
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I'm waiting for those bulbs to improve before I switch.
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Well, if they are "that bad" then why do we all have florescent lights in just about every kitchen in the USA in addition to the countless ones in schools and office buildings? Those are broken all the time in the "work place" and never have I ever seen any env group come to clean them up..

Arent the larger ones (the long tube lights) the same and have actually alot more mercury?

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The only complaint I have about the lamps, as I said in another thread, is that you can't dim them.

Dimmable CFLs exist. I tested some in China the last time I was over there, the technology is there and they work great! The ones I saw were stepping lights (like a 50/75/150 but with many many more gradations).

You can also get quick-start CFLs as well, so you don't get the annoying wait/flicker, and I know that they have (or will have soon) those 'Reveal' or whatever they are called natural light tones.
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Arent the larger ones (the long tube lights) the same and have actually alot more mercury?

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Thankfully, LEDs will soon be taking the place of CFL. They use less energy (waaaay less), "burn" cool, and last practically forever. I have broken a few CFL's, which seems too easy, but hopefully I haven't seen too much mercury exposure. I try to take comfort in the fact that most people's parents or grandparents played with mercury as kids, so the long term effects of simple exposure to whats in a CFL can't be too awful.
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Thankfully, LEDs will soon be taking the place of CFL. They use less energy (waaaay less), "burn" cool, and last practically forever. I have broken a few CFL's, which seems too easy, but hopefully I haven't seen too much mercury exposure. I try to take comfort in the fact that most people's parents or grandparents played with mercury as kids, so the long term effects of simple exposure to whats in a CFL can't be too awful.

Agreed, heck even as an adult I love to break worn out T8 & T12 lamps into the garbage can. I think the biggest issue long-run (and something that wasn't an issue before CFLs) is the large volume of mercury needing to be disposed of. I'd love to see LEDs take over, significantly safer for the environment, little interference (power factor) issues, cool, etc. Cost will be uber-expensive to start, but well worth it in the long run.
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You can also get quick-start CFLs as well, so you don't get the annoying wait/flicker, and I know that they have (or will have soon) those 'Reveal' or whatever they are called natural light tones.
That's all good to hear. Thanks.
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