Another Broke Tie Rod

[PARAGON]

Right.... attacking..... Right...... How about pointing out the obvious, that would be more accurate. Please, don't flatter yourself.

You are on a public forum that consists mainly of H2 owners and you expect to get away with the comments you have made without any contestation. The truth can be hard to swallow some times can't it? You can't reconcile your many comments on this so you view my comments as "attacking" or "ranting." I think it's only fair that a logical and opposite opinion to yours be offered since your facts seem to be all over the place.

It's is awfully infantile to suggest that by my providing a different opinion than yours, you see it as "trashing yet another thread."

[PARAGON]

Right.... attacking..... Right...... How about pointing out the obvious, that would be more accurate. Please, don't flatter yourself.

You are on a public forum that consists mainly of H2 owners and you expect to get away with the comments you have made without any contestation. The truth can be hard to swallow some times can't it? You can't reconcile your many comments on this so you view my comments as "attacking" or "ranting." I think it's only fair that a logical and opposite opinion to yours be offered since your facts seem to be all over the place.

It's is awfully infantile to suggest that by my providing a different opinion than yours, you see it as "trashing yet another thread."

[Bad Dawg]

Duramaxtim- Thank you for the pictures. I am seriously thinking of using the sleeves on the Duramax. And the price is great, not over priced like most things aimed at the H2 market.

[Bad Dawg]

Duramaxtim- Thank you for the pictures. I am seriously thinking of using the sleeves on the Duramax. And the price is great, not over priced like most things aimed at the H2 market.

[BKLYNH2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bad Dawg:

My question is that we are close to getting rid of the H2 if we can't feel like we can go out and do some mild playing without feeling safe in doing so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> However, we may very likely trade back in our H2 afterall. We will be losing money but we feel that we should not be having to replace parts like the tie rods to bring up the quality of a rig like this. The tie rods are an obvious weak point and dispite the fact we have a mild lift we should not be having to improve the parts. We have been building rigs for over 20 years and this is the first time this has happened. Too bad, we really like the H2 otherwise, but we bought it to use it as advertised, not to commute in. We don't feel safe going out on even a mild trail without something else breaking. Good luck to you all who use your rigs.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We were really hoping we could make it on just one outing without busting something else. I know this forum will blast us for saying all this, and believe me I hate coming to this conclusion, but I don't feel the H2 is what it is advertised to be. It might be fine for those who like fixing broken parts all the time or for those of you who never see the dirt, but I need something I can depend on. Damn, I hate getting rid of it, but we want to USE it.
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So you don't understand how these comments might be inflamatory on this site. Secondly many here may feel that you are passing out misinformation. Those that believe that their H2 is rugged and capable and that someone who may be considering getting an H2 deserves to here both sides of the story. You are entitled to express your viewpoint here just don't expect it to be accepted as gospel. If I wanted to add a few more quotes from you in this thread, I could very well make a strong case for the frequent damage being completely due to your driving technique( with respect to H2)or not willing to make a thorough upgrade to your truck. By the way why was it fine to spend the cash on a lift, larger tires, and increase the engine power, but not beef up the steering components? By placing yourself beyond reproach you attacked everyone else here who is passionate about their H2 and have had many "safe" off road trips.

[BKLYNH2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bad Dawg:

My question is that we are close to getting rid of the H2 if we can't feel like we can go out and do some mild playing without feeling safe in doing so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> However, we may very likely trade back in our H2 afterall. We will be losing money but we feel that we should not be having to replace parts like the tie rods to bring up the quality of a rig like this. The tie rods are an obvious weak point and dispite the fact we have a mild lift we should not be having to improve the parts. We have been building rigs for over 20 years and this is the first time this has happened. Too bad, we really like the H2 otherwise, but we bought it to use it as advertised, not to commute in. We don't feel safe going out on even a mild trail without something else breaking. Good luck to you all who use your rigs.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We were really hoping we could make it on just one outing without busting something else. I know this forum will blast us for saying all this, and believe me I hate coming to this conclusion, but I don't feel the H2 is what it is advertised to be. It might be fine for those who like fixing broken parts all the time or for those of you who never see the dirt, but I need something I can depend on. Damn, I hate getting rid of it, but we want to USE it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So you don't understand how these comments might be inflamatory on this site. Secondly many here may feel that you are passing out misinformation. Those that believe that their H2 is rugged and capable and that someone who may be considering getting an H2 deserves to here both sides of the story. You are entitled to express your viewpoint here just don't expect it to be accepted as gospel. If I wanted to add a few more quotes from you in this thread, I could very well make a strong case for the frequent damage being completely due to your driving technique( with respect to H2)or not willing to make a thorough upgrade to your truck. By the way why was it fine to spend the cash on a lift, larger tires, and increase the engine power, but not beef up the steering components? By placing yourself beyond reproach you attacked everyone else here who is passionate about their H2 and have had many "safe" off road trips.

[H2Finally]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
By the way why was it fine to spend the cash on a lift, larger tires, and increase the engine power, but not beef up the steering components? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bad Dawg, that's a darn good question. By all means get rid of something you no longer enjoy. I'm sure you have valid reasons -- but bad tie-rod ain't it.

[H2Finally]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BKLYNH2:
By the way why was it fine to spend the cash on a lift, larger tires, and increase the engine power, but not beef up the steering components? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bad Dawg, that's a darn good question. By all means get rid of something you no longer enjoy. I'm sure you have valid reasons -- but bad tie-rod ain't it.

[Bad Dawg]

My humble apologies for trying to explain what happened and to answer questions (such as: Q. We must have been "blasting" up the hill. A. No, we were going slow") My intent wasn't to get you guys excited but to talk about a problem that more people than I have had and to figure out how to fix it. I have said that my experiance was my fault and that it was not just one thing but many that contributed to it. I also wanted to warn folks that if they modify their H2's then be prepared for things like what happened to me. I did say that it could have been our driving that caused it.
Quote: "So you don't understand how these comments might be inflamatory on this site."

From my earlier post:
"I know this forum will blast us for saying all this...". I know this from observing on here that some folks are hypersensitive to the notion that the H2 could be improved.

I don't have a problem with folks discussing what did or could have happened and trying to solve the problem. But turning it personal solves nothing. If you guys want to continue to flame on and believe that there isn't something going on with the front ends and that there aren't people working on fixes (see all the tie rod fixes shown on here and the tie rod "shield" on the H3T as examples of improvements) then have at it.

I still believe that the H2 is an awesome rig. I was not trying to chase anyone away from buying an H2. Just understand it's limitations both in stock form and modified.

[Bad Dawg]

My humble apologies for trying to explain what happened and to answer questions (such as: Q. We must have been "blasting" up the hill. A. No, we were going slow") My intent wasn't to get you guys excited but to talk about a problem that more people than I have had and to figure out how to fix it. I have said that my experiance was my fault and that it was not just one thing but many that contributed to it. I also wanted to warn folks that if they modify their H2's then be prepared for things like what happened to me. I did say that it could have been our driving that caused it.
Quote: "So you don't understand how these comments might be inflamatory on this site."

From my earlier post:
"I know this forum will blast us for saying all this...". I know this from observing on here that some folks are hypersensitive to the notion that the H2 could be improved.

I don't have a problem with folks discussing what did or could have happened and trying to solve the problem. But turning it personal solves nothing. If you guys want to continue to flame on and believe that there isn't something going on with the front ends and that there aren't people working on fixes (see all the tie rod fixes shown on here and the tie rod "shield" on the H3T as examples of improvements) then have at it.

I still believe that the H2 is an awesome rig. I was not trying to chase anyone away from buying an H2. Just understand it's limitations both in stock form and modified.

[Bad Dawg]

BKLYNH2 and H2Finally..To answer your question of "why add a lift, larger tires and maybe 30 more horse and not beef up the steering?" Because I have made the same mods on many other rigs in the past and haven't had to replace the steering componets. On those rigs and the H2 we only used them for mild trail riding and I did not expect the H2 to not be as strong as they were/are ('72 1/2 ton Chevy, '76 1/2 ton chevy, '76 Land Cruiser, '97 GMC 3/4 ton, 2001 1 ton Chevy). I have completely changed out the steering on our race rig because I knew how it was going to be used and what the stock parts could handle. You are right, the tie rod by itself isn't it. Some have pointed out that just changing out the tie rod might just push the problem to another part. By comparison to my other rigs the H2 was a mild build, so I did not expect what happened. For $60K I expected the H2 to handle what I did. I do not want to take anymore time and money to bring it up to my expectations.

I may be young at heart but I'm an old fart with just a few years experiance I do know how to drive off road as does my wife. We save the bashing for the race rig.

You guys and gals have fun and enjoy your H2's. We're going racing.......

[Bad Dawg]

BKLYNH2 and H2Finally..To answer your question of "why add a lift, larger tires and maybe 30 more horse and not beef up the steering?" Because I have made the same mods on many other rigs in the past and haven't had to replace the steering componets. On those rigs and the H2 we only used them for mild trail riding and I did not expect the H2 to not be as strong as they were/are ('72 1/2 ton Chevy, '76 1/2 ton chevy, '76 Land Cruiser, '97 GMC 3/4 ton, 2001 1 ton Chevy). I have completely changed out the steering on our race rig because I knew how it was going to be used and what the stock parts could handle. You are right, the tie rod by itself isn't it. Some have pointed out that just changing out the tie rod might just push the problem to another part. By comparison to my other rigs the H2 was a mild build, so I did not expect what happened. For $60K I expected the H2 to handle what I did. I do not want to take anymore time and money to bring it up to my expectations.

I may be young at heart but I'm an old fart with just a few years experiance I do know how to drive off road as does my wife. We save the bashing for the race rig.

You guys and gals have fun and enjoy your H2's. We're going racing.......

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bad Dawg:
You guys and gals have fun and enjoy your H2's. We're going racing....... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I enjoy my all the time and push it way beyond it published specifications without issue. I just don't allow my front end to START bouncing.

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bad Dawg:
You guys and gals have fun and enjoy your H2's. We're going racing....... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I enjoy my all the time and push it way beyond it published specifications without issue. I just don't allow my front end to START bouncing.

[HummerLV]

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[Detonate]

I can't help but think that he is going to charge a fortune for those once he releases them.

I may have to just keep a few stock spare handy instead.

[Detonate]

I can't help but think that he is going to charge a fortune for those once he releases them.

I may have to just keep a few stock spare handy instead.