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Old 01-14-2007, 06:13 AM
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Default Terrorists dont use credit to buy WMD!?!?

WTF is wrong with our government? Do they think we are so stupid to believe that our govt needs the ability to track credit records of suspected terrorist in the middle east?

Terrorist do not go into a bank and ask for a loan to buy a bomb...

Am I missing something here or is this just gay?

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WASHINGTON (AP) ? The Pentagon and to a lesser extent the CIA have been using a little-known power to look at the banking and credit records of hundreds of Americans and others suspected of terrorism or espionage within the United States, officials said Saturday.
Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Saturday the Defense Department "makes requests for information under authorities of the National Security Letter statutes ... but does not use the specific term National Security Letter in its investigatory practice."
Whitman did not indicate the number of requests that have been made in recent years, but said authorities operate under the Right to Financial Privacy Act, the Fair Credit Reporting Act and the National Security Act.
"These statutory tools may provide key leads for counterintelligence and counterterrorism investigations," Whitman said. "Because these are requests for information rather than court orders, a DOD request under the NSL statutes cannot be compelled absent court involvement."
"It is our understanding that the intelligence community agencies make such requests on a limited basis," said Carl Kropf, a spokesman for the Office of the National Intelligence Director, which oversees all 16 spy agencies in the government.
The national security letters permit the executive branch to seek records about people in terror and spy investigations without a judge's approval or grand jury subpoena.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the lead agency on domestic counterterrorism and espionage, has issued thousands of national security letters since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Whitman said Defense Department "counterintelligence investigators routinely coordinate ... with the FBI."
The national security letters have prompted criticism and court challenges from civil liberties advocates who claim they invade the privacy of Americans' lives, even though banks and other financial institutions typically turn over the financial records voluntarily.
The New York Times reported on expanded use of the technique by the Pentagon and CIA in an article posted Saturday on the Internet.
The vast majority of national security letters are issued by the FBI, but in very rare circumstances they have been used by the CIA before and after 9/11, said a U.S. intelligence official who spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.
The CIA has used these non-compulsory letters in espionage investigations and other circumstances, the official said.
"It is very uncommon for the agency to be issuing these letters," the official said. "The agency has the authority to do so, and it is absolutely lawful."
Another government official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said one example of a case in which the letters were used was the 1994 case of CIA officer Aldrich Ames, who eventually was found to have been selling secrets to the Soviet Union.
None of the officials reached by the AP commented about the extent of use by the Defense Department agencies, but the Times said military intelligence officers have sent the letters in up to 500 investigations.
Associated Press Writer Katherine Shrader contributed to this report.
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Terrorist do not go into a bank and ask for a loan to buy a bomb...

Hmm... you sure seem to know a lot about how and how not to buy these types of things. Anything you need to tell us?
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Personally I thinnk the Government should track suspected Terrorists anyway they can. Why do you care if they track suspected Terrorists anyway?
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Old 01-14-2007, 03:41 PM
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I will defer if you can give me one example of why a terrorist would use "credit" for his dirty dealings....

Think....

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To keep track of expenses for tax purposes...

Wouldn't want him to go to jail for tax fraud before he had a chance to blow himself up would we?
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ROFL again... how many terroist do you think are here in the USA using credit to buy things?

Amazing...
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I definetely don't know. But try to buy a plane ticket or rent a car without one. More and more they are required.
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I definetely don't know. But try to buy a plane ticket or rent a car without one. More and more they are required.

Exactly

I really don't this any Terrorists are rolling up to the American Airlines Ticket Counter with Cash
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I mean it's like a suicide bomber is gonna worry about his credit rating after he blows himself up.
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Actually alot of people use cash abroad. Its mostly americans who use credit cards. And not to mention if you dont think they already get a list of people who board planes or are inbound to the USA via the airlines logbook you are mistaken.

I still cant think of a reason they need to look at our credit...
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I really don't this any Terrorists are rolling up to the American Airlines Ticket Counter with Cash

X3. If they think they have a good cover, they'll use a credit card at every opportunity (They're not worried about paying for a bill they'll probably never see.). Cash nowadays brings up the red flag depending on the amount. I've travelled quite a bit and I find most cultures nowadays use Credit instead of cash.
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I don't care if they track CC payments. Hell, I'll give them mine if they ask nicely.
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Its not CC payments..

Its really not that big of a deal - to me - most are missing the point.. oh well...

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Its not CC payments..

Its really not that big of a deal - to me - most are missing the point.. oh well...

Was there a point?
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They can track the purchases of airline tickets. I don't want a suspected terrorist on my plane, do you?
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omg of crouse....

we are soooooo off track at this point...
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omg of crouse....

we are soooooo off track at this point...

Maybe you should be more clear next time.

I want to make vulgar and negative comments towards you but my upgrades do not allow it.

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we are soooooo off track at this point...

What thread here doesn't go off track? It's part of the reason I like it here.

I get your point. But I can also look around at our society and see how clueless and volnerable we actualy are. Despite 9/11 there are still alot of people out there who think that nothing like that would happen to them.
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Doy!

They track credit cards because they are given to them by a "sponsor" group or individual. Most of them are pre-paid, like children off to college.

Individuals and contract holders add cell members to an account and those purchases can track locations etc. I bet the hijackers used credit cards to but their plane tickets- and in that case the plane was a WMD. So their tactics are unconventional and therefore purchases may be.

It's not so much the purchases but the activity.

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And the big broad random searches don't yield much anyway.

Data mining is not an invasion of privacy because it is programmed and run by super computers. If you think that every purchase you make isn't compiled into reports already you are sadly mistaken.

Am I pissed that my "Food Lion MVP Coupon Card" on my keychain tracks what I buy? No. Hopefully, the store will carry more of the Tampax pearl variety.
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