Would you support a flag burning ban?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by ShaggyX

Never thought of it that way Dei...good point.

No it's not, it's a dumb point. Follow that train of thought and you couldn't light up a cigar or cigarette either, because that would be illegal.

That's like saying that you have a law on the books for stealing, so why I have anything specific for stealing government secrets.

[Agriv8r]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

But if someone burns a flag as part of a crime, threat or harassment ...

how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!

[CO Hummer]

You guys are too emotional. The right to burn a flag or anything else should not be restricted by a goverment. It really doesn't matter how you 'feel' about it, it's a matter of rights.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Agriv8r

how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!

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[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

You guys are too emotional. The right to burn a flag or anything else should not be restricted by a goverment. It really doesn't matter how you 'feel' about it, it's a matter of rights.

I agree, and you shouldn't have the right to burn the mutherfuking flag

[CO Hummer]

Originally Posted by PARAGON

I agree, and you shouldn't have the right to burn the mutherfuking flag

Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right?

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right?

Oh!

[PARAGON]

[KenP]

Originally Posted by CO Hummer

Just checking here...... Para, You know we're not talking about the confederate flag, right?

That was close.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by Agriv8r

how can it not fit into one of these catagories??? find a reason that does not fit into one of these and list it...when you are tired of the futile search then agree with the BAN!

I already listed one - "what if I want to respectfully retire my flag? I used to be able to burn it respectfully ... am I supposed to throw it in the trash now?"

Lots of things are legal in one situation but not in another. You can yell 'fire' and pull the alarm lever in a crowded theater ... if there's actually a fire. But you'll get arrested if there isn't one (or if you set it).

Freedom of speech doesn't give people the right to harass others or commit crimes. It allows them to criticize the government without going to jail. Burning a flag at a funeral or in front of a veteran's house disturbs the peace and directly harasses someone. Filing a permit to hold a public rally and burn a flag peacefully as government protest is something different.

If flag-burning became illegal, could someone burn full-color posters of the flag instead? How about flag colored clothing, underwear, bandanas, shop rags, paint designs, stickers or cars painted with a flag. Where would the ban stop?

Personally, I DO NOT agree with flag-burning ... I only support the right to peaceful protest .

[Wisha Haddan H3]

One more thought ... flag-burning is inarticulate and pointless, like screaming and swearing instead of talking things out. Peaceful public communication is a fundamental right. Don't burn your flag on my lawn, but file a permit and do it peacefully downtown if that's the best you can do.

Besides, if you're going to lock people up for being inarticulate, inflammatory or offensive, I can think of a few people who wouldn't have a chance.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by Wisha Haddan H3

One more thought ... flag-burning is inarticulate and pointless, like screaming and swearing instead of talking things out. Peaceful public communication is a fundamental right. Don't burn your flag on my lawn, but file a permit and do it peacefully downtown if that's the best you can do.

Besides, if you're going to lock people up for being inarticulate, inflammatory or offensive, I can think of a few people who wouldn't have a chance.

smoke another joint, mellow-man

there's nothing pointless to something that divides people or that enrages others. Burn my flag and it pisses me off because it's a lack of respect.

Ignorance is offensive AND you can be locked up for it. Better look out!

[KenP]

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.

[PARAGON]

Originally Posted by KenP

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.

I wonder if you would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or take it to your local VFW

[2-H2's]

Originally Posted by KenP

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.

Would you support a flag burning ban? My POV...yes for the above mentioned application.

For any other protest BS...expect an @ss kicking contest to break out in our "redneck of the woods"

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Originally Posted by KenP

People don't read before posting.

You would still be able to respectfully burn your flag in a solemn ceremony when your flag is unfit for service, or you can take it to your local VFW and they will do it. Be sure to leave them a donation.

I saw your earlier post and appreciate the info. But I figured a blanket constitutional ban on flag burning could call a flag-burning ceremony into question, which would be a shame.

[usetosellhummer]

Don't burn my flag man!

[KenP]

The ammendment:

The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Burning_Amendment

This proposed amendment was intended to give Congress the right to enact statutes criminalizing the burning or other desecration of the United States flag in a public protest.

"Public Protest" are the key words I think.

Also, in the ammendment are the words "physical desecration".

des?e?crate
tr.v. des?e?crat?ed, des?e?crat?ing, des?e?crates
To violate the sacredness of; profane.

A sacred, solomn ceremony isn't profane.

[evldave]

Originally Posted by KenP

The ammendment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Burning_Amendment"Public Protest" are the key words I think.

Also, in the ammendment are the words "physical desecration".A sacred, solomn ceremony isn't profane.

So if I crapped on the flag, rubbed it all over my body, then used it as toilet paper to wipe my dirty a$$, but didn't burn it, would that be against the law?

[evldave]

Originally Posted by KenP

The ammendment:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Burning_Amendment"Public Protest" are the key words I think.

Also, in the ammendment are the words "physical desecration".A sacred, solomn ceremony isn't profane.

So if I crapped on the flag, rubbed it all over my body, then used it as toilet paper to wipe my dirty a$$, but didn't burn it, would that be against the law?

ps-I'm opposed to a ban, but I'd also like a ban on punishing people for expressing their opinions by kicking the azz of the fukers who burn the flag, if that makes any sense...