A few questions

[bailey9403]

I am new to this forum but I'm wondering if a few of you guys could find a little time to help me out. I am a junior and California Univ. of PA and taking oral communications right now. I have been asked to present my speeches on SUV's vs. Hybrids (which I'm sure many of you despise haha). Anyways Please take a few minutes and answer some (or preferbly all) the questions you feel comfortable answering. Also any comments you would like to add is greatly appreciated as I would like many opinions for speech....
So here are a few questions...
1) Why did you purchase an H2? (do you use it offroad, or just like the size and comfort etc.)
2) When purchasing did you consider the gas mileage? Would this have impacted you differently if you knew the situation w/ prices now?
3) What kind of mileage are you personally experiencing?
4) Have any of you claimed the vehicle for business purposes?
5) Have you been involved in an accident in your H2? If so, where you injured?
6) And finally please feel free to add any of your own opinions. I am open for anything including phone interviews and or personal emails.
Thank you very much I appreciate any help you guys give.

[bailey9403]

I am new to this forum but I'm wondering if a few of you guys could find a little time to help me out. I am a junior and California Univ. of PA and taking oral communications right now. I have been asked to present my speeches on SUV's vs. Hybrids (which I'm sure many of you despise haha). Anyways Please take a few minutes and answer some (or preferbly all) the questions you feel comfortable answering. Also any comments you would like to add is greatly appreciated as I would like many opinions for speech....
So here are a few questions...
1) Why did you purchase an H2? (do you use it offroad, or just like the size and comfort etc.)
2) When purchasing did you consider the gas mileage? Would this have impacted you differently if you knew the situation w/ prices now?
3) What kind of mileage are you personally experiencing?
4) Have any of you claimed the vehicle for business purposes?
5) Have you been involved in an accident in your H2? If so, where you injured?
6) And finally please feel free to add any of your own opinions. I am open for anything including phone interviews and or personal emails.
Thank you very much I appreciate any help you guys give.

[Bondage]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bailey9403:
I am new to this forum but I'm wondering if a few of you guys could find a little time to help me out. I am a junior and California Univ. of PA and taking oral communications right now. I have been asked to present my speeches on SUV's vs. Hybrids (which I'm sure many of you despise haha). Anyways Please take a few minutes and answer some (or preferbly all) the questions you feel comfortable answering. Also any comments you would like to add is greatly appreciated as I would like many opinions for speech....
So here are a few questions...
1) Why did you purchase an H2? (do you use it offroad, or just like the size and comfort etc.)
2) When purchasing did you consider the gas mileage? Would this have impacted you differently if you knew the situation w/ prices now?
3) What kind of mileage are you personally experiencing?
4) Have any of you claimed the vehicle for business purposes?
5) Have you been involved in an accident in your H2? If so, where you injured?
6) And finally please feel free to add any of your own opinions. I am open for anything including phone interviews and or personal emails.
Thank you very much I appreciate any help you guys give. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


1. I purchased my H2 because I liked it. Still do - only more so after owning and driving it for a while.

2. Sure, I considered the gas mileage. Being the eco-friendly type, I work out of my home so I don't have to waste gallons of fuel sitting on the freeway at idle polluting the air like all of those little commuter cars do. I already knew gas prices were going to rise - in fact I can't, off the top of my head, name ANYTHING that has gone DOWN in price over the last decade or so.

3. I get about 13mpg on the highway and less in town or when towing.

4. No.

5. No.

6. I love my H2. Feel free to contact me privately for more info on the many reasons why.

Out of curiosity, why would you think people who drive H2's hate Hybrid cars? It's actually quite the other way around - all of the intolerance and hatred are directed AT us, not coming from us. Most folks around here couldn't care any less what someone else drives.

But more importantly, thank GOD you are majoring in oral communications, because you can't write worth a damn.

Sean

[Arizona Hummerboy]

Bailey

I will try to answer a few of your questions.

1. I purchase my H2 for my Business to use it for advertizing. I own a mobile lockshop and I did real estate investing at that time.
I am also a retire Police Captain.
I do use my Hummer to off road in, and I do belong to a Hummer Club.
Just this week end I help the Sherriff Dept. do a search and rescue for a lost motorcycle rider on a quad that was lost in a remote area of the desert.

2. on gas millage I am getting 14.5 MPG in the city. And on the highway I am geting 19.4 MPG
and this is doing mountaint driving.

3.As for accident YES.
I have a 03 Hummer H2, I was one of the frist 5 people to buy in Phoenix when they frist came out.

I was hit by a drunk driver as I was stoped at a stop light. The drunk ran into the back of my Hummer doing 60 MPH + She was passed out when she hit me.
I was hurt and my wife was hurt.
I have disk damage done to my back and neck. I have spent the last 3 years of my life going to Dr. and doing rehab from this accident.
If it was not for me owning the Hummer when I was hit by this drunk driver, my wife and I would have been killed in this accident.

As for Car and Hybirds I do not drive them or ride in them. People get killed in cars, and people in Phoenix cant drive for ****.

And for my family it is Hummers all the way.
I am also looking for a Hummer H1.

[rocketw19]

1)i purchased mine cuzz i like the way they look. i dont off road.
2) i bought mine when gas was 3 bucks a gallon. it dosnt bother me
3)10.7 avg
4)no
5)no
6)im likin it more and more very nice to drive you should test drive one so you can give some facts of your own experince.

[DRTYFN]

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Oral communications??? Gimme a f<span class="ev_code_BLACK">ucking</span> break. You can barely string together a sentence. Why not take English as 2nd Language first?

[Screeper]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am new to this forum but I'm wondering if a few of you guys could find a little time to help me out. I am a junior and California Univ. of PA and taking oral communications right now. I have been asked to present my speeches on SUV's vs. Hybrids (which I'm sure many of you despise haha). Anyways Please take a few minutes and answer some (or preferbly all) the questions you feel comfortable answering. Also any comments you would like to add is greatly appreciated as I would like many opinions for speech....
So here are a few questions...
1) Why did you purchase an H2? (do you use it offroad, or just like the size and comfort etc.)
2) When purchasing did you consider the gas mileage? Would this have impacted you differently if you knew the situation w/ prices now?
3) What kind of mileage are you personally experiencing?
4) Have any of you claimed the vehicle for business purposes?
5) Have you been involved in an accident in your H2? If so, where you injured?
6) And finally please feel free to add any of your own opinions. I am open for anything including phone interviews and or personal emails.
Thank you very much I appreciate any help you guys give.

~Bailey </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. Size comfort capabilty.
2. Not at all. Cost saving is minimal even when compared to hybrid. A couple thousand dollars max. If you really want to save money buy a cheaper car. I could have saved 36,000 dollars if only I had purchased that Ford Taurus..
3. 11.7 average
4. Yes God bless George Bush
5. No but two of my friend have and reported little to no damage to H2 while other vehicle was inoperable.
6. This is a great truck that gets the same or better gas mileage as other trucks in the past such as the Ford Bronco and K-5 blazer. Its emissions are much lower, and the truck is much better for the enviroment in comparision. If the enviromentalists really cared or had a set of balls they would pursue things with little or no emission controls, like boats. Oh wait, boats have broad public appeal, and people might see them for the whack jobs they are.

[L.E. Sniper]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bailey9403:
I am new to this forum but I'm wondering if a few of you guys could find a little time to help me out. I am a junior and California Univ. of PA and taking oral communications right now. I have been asked to present my speeches on SUV's vs. Hybrids (which I'm sure many of you despise haha). Anyways Please take a few minutes and answer some (or preferbly all) the questions you feel comfortable answering. Also any comments you would like to add is greatly appreciated as I would like many opinions for speech....
So here are a few questions...
1) Why did you purchase an H2? (do you use it offroad, or just like the size and comfort etc.)
2) When purchasing did you consider the gas mileage? Would this have impacted you differently if you knew the situation w/ prices now?
3) What kind of mileage are you personally experiencing?
4) Have any of you claimed the vehicle for business purposes?
5) Have you been involved in an accident in your H2? If so, where you injured?
6) And finally please feel free to add any of your own opinions. I am open for anything including phone interviews and or personal emails.
Thank you very much I appreciate any help you guys give. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. I own (2) and yes I go off road, (I live in Colorado, just about every thing here is off road)
2. Yes, (I cant help what I cant control)
3. 16.5 highway, 12.5 city (better than my (76)Corvette.
4. Yes
5. No
6. This is the most comfortable vechile i have ever owned. It is the safest vechile I drive

[Bondage]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
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Oral communications??? Gimme a f<span class="ev_code_BLACK">ucking</span> break. You can barely string together a sentence. Why not take English as 2nd Language first? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bailey got it wrong and took English as a first language second.

Sean

[bailey9403]

Thank you to everyone that replied. Just so everyone knows... I am not a ****ing Oral Communications major. Everyone in every college must take the course to graduate. I am actually an International Relations major with a concentration in Spanish and a minor in Finance and Marketing. Can you dumb ****s understand that many words? I am a cocky bastard and I was once a so called "Hummer Hater". Through my research I've come slightly around. A few things still piss me off. For someone to actually be able to claim the vehicle for business use when we all know in fact it's really just a loophole, is absurd. Anyways that aside, why does the US government not require it to meet federal fuel efficiency regulations. All other vehicles must meet this regulation. And I shall vent one more, why an H2 if barely any of you use it off road. For the status? My freind does in fact have an H2 and it really is not that comfortable and for the size of them there is not nearly as much room for passengers as their should be. So, I am sorry to those who actually responded truely to help me. But I must vent ~Gracias

[Hart1]

""Anyways that aside, why does the US government not require it to meet federal fuel efficiency regulations..." Blah, blah, blah

This "student" is a good example of how our liberal education system has failed us.

Educate yourself....

Fuel Efficiency Regulations Cost Lives and Money
by Mary Katherine Ascik

That new car you just bought may be a threat to your health - and even your life - thanks to Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. These federal rules are responsible for thousands of needless deaths and injuries. Not only that, CAFE standards make it difficult for many Americans to afford safe cars.

The CAFE program was established by Congress in 1975. Current CAFE standards require motor vehicle manufacturers' fleets of cars to average 27.5 miles per gallon of gasoline and their fleets of light trucks (which include minivans and SUVs) to average 20.7 miles per gallon.1 The only affordable way for automakers to meet these standards is to reduce the mass and weight of their vehicles.2

This reduction has had deadly consequences. According to a study by the National Research Council (NRC), reductions in vehicle mass and weight necessary to meet CAFE standards increase the risk of death or serious injury in crashes. The NRC study found that vehicle downsizing and downweighting resulted in between 1,300 and 2,600 deaths and between 13,000 and 26,000 serious injuries in 1993 alone.3 A USA Today report, using data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, estimated that 46,000 people - nearly as many Americans as lost their lives in the Vietnam War - have died since 1975 as a result of the vehicle downsizing and downweighting due to CAFE standards.4

CAFE standards have also been responsible for several hundred thousand injuries. African-Americans should be particularly concerned about these dangers because motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for black children.5

CAFE standards also make it harder for people to purchase cars. To meet fuel efficiency requirements, automakers must sell a certain number of small (read: fuel efficient) cars. But to induce consumers to purchase these small cars, automakers must sell them at little more than their production cost.6 To recover the profits lost through the sale of these small cars, automakers must raise the prices of larger cars and light trucks. In short, according to environmental policy expert Charli Coon of The Heritage Foundation, "CAFE standards act as a tax on larger, safer cars that is used in turn to subsidize sales of smaller, less safe cars that get more miles per gallon."7

This de facto tax on larger cars and light trucks essentially discriminates against people who have lower incomes, larger families, need a larger vehicle or just want to own a safer car. African-Americans are particularly affected, since their incomes tend to be lower than those of whites.8

CAFE standards make today's small cars smaller than ever, making them more dangerous than when the CAFE program was established in 1975.9 Since smaller cars are more dangerous, collision insurance for small cars is now more expensive than for larger cars and light trucks. Small, cheap cars also depreciate more quickly and can be easily damaged even in minor accidents.10

In the 27 years since they were established, CAFE standards have not only taken a toll on consumers' lives, health and wallets; they have also failed to accomplish the goals for which they were created - reducing U.S. gasoline consumption and dependence on foreign oil. Since CAFE standards were established in 1975, oil imports have increased from approximately 35 percent of supply to 52 percent.11 Although fuel efficiency has improved, this improvement has encouraged people to drive more. Hence, CAFE has had little success in reducing overall fuel usage.12

CAFE is a failed government program that has had deadly and costly consequences for thousands of Americans, and it places those with lower incomes at particular risk. It's time to repeal CAFE standards and put safety first.



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Mary Katherine Ascik is a Research Associate of The National Center for Public Policy Research, a Washington, D.C. think tank. Comments may be sent to MAscik@nationalcenter.org.



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Footnotes:

1 Charli E. Coon, J.D., "Why The Government's CAFE standards for Fuel Efficiency Should Be Repealed, Not Increased," Backgrounder #1458, The Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies, The Heritage Foundation, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://www.heritage.org/library/back...er/bg1458.html on June 5, 2002.

2 "Death By The Gallon," USA Today, July 2, 1999, downloaded from http://www.serve.com/commonpurpose/n...eusatoday.html on June 5, 2002.

3 Effectiveness and Impact of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Standards, Committee on the Effectiveness and Impact of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Standards, Board on Energy and Environmental Systems, Transportation Research Board, National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://books.nap.edu/books/0309076013/html/77.html on June 4, 2002.

4 "Death by the Gallon."

5 "The Facts To Buckle Up America: Seat Belts and African Americans - 2000 Report," National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/bucklepl...-american.index.html on June 13, 2002.

6 "Death by the Gallon."

7 Coon.

8 Tables H-3A and H-3B, "Historical Income Tables - Household," U.S. Census Bureau, U. S. Department of Commerce, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/h03ax1.html and http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/h03bx1.html on June 12, 2002.

9 "CAFE Standards Cost Lives," National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas, Texas, downloaded from http:/www.ncpa.org/pd/regulat/regf.html#F2 on June 5, 2002. (Original source cited as "Silent Killer," Investor's Business Daily, January 30, 1996.)

10 "Death by the Gallon" and "Downsizing Cars Kills" National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas, Texas, downloaded from http://www.ncpa.org/pd/regulat/oct97d.html on June 5, 2002. (Original source cited as Eric Peters, "Wake Up and Smell the CAFE," Investor's Business Daily, October 28, 1997.)

11 Coon.

12 "Environmental Briefing Book Issue Brief: Automobile Fuel Economy Standards," Competitive Enterprise Institute, Washington, DC, March 1, 1999, downloaded from http://www.cei.org/EBBReader.asp?ID=724 on June 10, 2002.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bailey9403:
Thank you to everyone that replied. Just so everyone knows... I am not a ****ing Oral Communications major. Everyone in every college must take the course to graduate. I am actually an International Relations major with a concentration in Spanish and a minor in Finance and Marketing. Can you dumb ****s understand that many words? I am a cocky bastard and I was once a so called "Hummer Hater". Through my research I've come slightly around. A few things still piss me off. For someone to actually be able to claim the vehicle for business use when we all know in fact it's really just a loophole, is absurd. Anyways that aside, why does the US government not require it to meet federal fuel efficiency regulations. All other vehicles must meet this regulation. And I shall vent one more, why an H2 if barely any of you use it off road. For the status? My freind does in fact have an H2 and it really is not that comfortable and for the size of them there is not nearly as much room for passengers as their should be. So, I am sorry to those who actually responded truely to help me. But I must vent ~Gracias </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, wait... Big surprise that you're a whining troll. I smelled your lying ass the second you posted. Now go the f<span class="ev_code_BLACK">uck</span> back to your 3rd world country, knock up some barefoot skank and have fun pushing a pencil around while day-dreaming about how great the United States of America is.

[bailey9403]

Listen... I posted for the purposes of my speech. You all must admit that there are many aspects of the H2 to piss people off. And I guess I shall clarify once again, California Univ. of PA. For anyone who does not know PA is in the United States. And another thing I am a loyal Chevy fan. I drive the gas guzzling Camaro and mi papa in fact drives the new Vette, and the terrible gas guzzling Range Rover in the winter. But thank you guys, and knocking up a barefoot skank sounds good... I'll try that when I'm in Jamaica on spring break

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bailey9403:
Listen... I posted for the purposes of my speech. You all must admit that there are many aspects of the H2 to piss people off. And I guess I shall clarify once again, California Univ. of PA. For anyone who does not know PA is in the United States. And another thing I am a loyal Chevy fan. I drive the gas guzzling Camaro and mi papa in fact drives the new Vette, and the terrible gas guzzling Range Rover in the winter. But thank you guys, and knocking up a barefoot skank sounds good... I'll try that when I'm in Jamaica on spring break </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[h2co-pilot]

Eyu! A Camaro, do you have a mullet?

[JamesT]

Drty...you owe me a Coke. When I read your first post I laughed and blew Coke out of my nose and spilled the rest on my desk.

That was funny sh[t.

[HUMMERDOGG]

Bailey-

Honestly, why is the H2 so despised? Because for the most part, the masses are uneducated.

1)Hummer H2 is a gas guzzling hog... However, it gets better gas mileage than Infinity QX4, Nissan Pathfinder, Ford Explorer, and any V10 Ford Superduty or Excursion- just to mention a few... Yet it is the H2 that gets called out as an excessive gas guzzling hog.

2)Hummer H2 is a status symbol. I guess people assume that a Hummer H2 costs alot. People have a tendency to associate it with the H1 which does cost well over $100K new however, the truth of the matter is, that if you can negotiate, one can be picked up for low 50's, possibly high 40's. Is that expensive? Not in my book.

3)People claiming them as tax write-offs... Who gives a ****. It's the govt who provides that loophole, why do you care? If it's such an issue for you, write your freaking congressman or senator and complain about it.

4)Why have it if you don't off road it? You've come to the wrong place for that argument because there are quite a few owner who offroad theirs. That's like going to a Jeeper Forum and asking why? What would you think the percent of "trail rated" rubicon jeeps get offroaded? Better yet, who cares?

5)Passenger Room??? WTF are you talking about? There is plenty of passenger room. You are probably complaining about the spare tire being mounted in the back. That is so narrow minded. It's called a rear tire carrier and it can be had for $750...

Guys like you piss me off because you are actually going to get a college degree yet you obviously haven't learned anything about researching a topic. And you come on to a forum spouting your "free speech" and your right to it because that's the only thing you current crop of liberal minded university educated kids hear about yet, you take offense when someone else "vents" or expresses their right to free speech back to you and it differs with what you think...

The irony, how very ****ing funny...

Late.

[L.E. Sniper]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
""Anyways that aside, why does the US government not require it to meet federal fuel efficiency regulations..." Blah, blah, blah

This "student" is a good example of how our liberal education system has failed us.

Educate yourself....

Fuel Efficiency Regulations Cost Lives and Money
by Mary Katherine Ascik

That new car you just bought may be a threat to your health - and even your life - thanks to Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. These federal rules are responsible for thousands of needless deaths and injuries. Not only that, CAFE standards make it difficult for many Americans to afford safe cars.

The CAFE program was established by Congress in 1975. Current CAFE standards require motor vehicle manufacturers' fleets of cars to average 27.5 miles per gallon of gasoline and their fleets of light trucks (which include minivans and SUVs) to average 20.7 miles per gallon.1 The only affordable way for automakers to meet these standards is to reduce the mass and weight of their vehicles.2

This reduction has had deadly consequences. According to a study by the National Research Council (NRC), reductions in vehicle mass and weight necessary to meet CAFE standards increase the risk of death or serious injury in crashes. The NRC study found that vehicle downsizing and downweighting resulted in between 1,300 and 2,600 deaths and between 13,000 and 26,000 serious injuries in 1993 alone.3 A USA Today report, using data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, estimated that 46,000 people - nearly as many Americans as lost their lives in the Vietnam War - have died since 1975 as a result of the vehicle downsizing and downweighting due to CAFE standards.4

CAFE standards have also been responsible for several hundred thousand injuries. African-Americans should be particularly concerned about these dangers because motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for black children.5

CAFE standards also make it harder for people to purchase cars. To meet fuel efficiency requirements, automakers must sell a certain number of small (read: fuel efficient) cars. But to induce consumers to purchase these small cars, automakers must sell them at little more than their production cost.6 To recover the profits lost through the sale of these small cars, automakers must raise the prices of larger cars and light trucks. In short, according to environmental policy expert Charli Coon of The Heritage Foundation, "CAFE standards act as a tax on larger, safer cars that is used in turn to subsidize sales of smaller, less safe cars that get more miles per gallon."7

This de facto tax on larger cars and light trucks essentially discriminates against people who have lower incomes, larger families, need a larger vehicle or just want to own a safer car. African-Americans are particularly affected, since their incomes tend to be lower than those of whites.8

CAFE standards make today's small cars smaller than ever, making them more dangerous than when the CAFE program was established in 1975.9 Since smaller cars are more dangerous, collision insurance for small cars is now more expensive than for larger cars and light trucks. Small, cheap cars also depreciate more quickly and can be easily damaged even in minor accidents.10

In the 27 years since they were established, CAFE standards have not only taken a toll on consumers' lives, health and wallets; they have also failed to accomplish the goals for which they were created - reducing U.S. gasoline consumption and dependence on foreign oil. Since CAFE standards were established in 1975, oil imports have increased from approximately 35 percent of supply to 52 percent.11 Although fuel efficiency has improved, this improvement has encouraged people to drive more. Hence, CAFE has had little success in reducing overall fuel usage.12

CAFE is a failed government program that has had deadly and costly consequences for thousands of Americans, and it places those with lower incomes at particular risk. It's time to repeal CAFE standards and put safety first.



# # #




Mary Katherine Ascik is a Research Associate of The National Center for Public Policy Research, a Washington, D.C. think tank. Comments may be sent to MAscik@nationalcenter.org.



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Footnotes:

1 Charli E. Coon, J.D., "Why The Government's CAFE standards for Fuel Efficiency Should Be Repealed, Not Increased," Backgrounder #1458, The Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies, The Heritage Foundation, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://www.heritage.org/library/back...er/bg1458.html on June 5, 2002.

2 "Death By The Gallon," USA Today, July 2, 1999, downloaded from http://www.serve.com/commonpurpose/n...eusatoday.html on June 5, 2002.

3 Effectiveness and Impact of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Standards, Committee on the Effectiveness and Impact of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) Standards, Board on Energy and Environmental Systems, Transportation Research Board, National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://books.nap.edu/books/0309076013/html/77.html on June 4, 2002.

4 "Death by the Gallon."

5 "The Facts To Buckle Up America: Seat Belts and African Americans - 2000 Report," National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/bucklepl...-american.index.html on June 13, 2002.

6 "Death by the Gallon."

7 Coon.

8 Tables H-3A and H-3B, "Historical Income Tables - Household," U.S. Census Bureau, U. S. Department of Commerce, Washington, DC, downloaded from http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/h03ax1.html and http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/h03bx1.html on June 12, 2002.

9 "CAFE Standards Cost Lives," National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas, Texas, downloaded from http:/www.ncpa.org/pd/regulat/regf.html#F2 on June 5, 2002. (Original source cited as "Silent Killer," Investor's Business Daily, January 30, 1996.)

10 "Death by the Gallon" and "Downsizing Cars Kills" National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas, Texas, downloaded from http://www.ncpa.org/pd/regulat/oct97d.html on June 5, 2002. (Original source cited as Eric Peters, "Wake Up and Smell the CAFE," Investor's Business Daily, October 28, 1997.)

11 Coon.

12 "Environmental Briefing Book Issue Brief: Automobile Fuel Economy Standards," Competitive Enterprise Institute, Washington, DC, March 1, 1999, downloaded from http://www.cei.org/EBBReader.asp?ID=724 on June 10, 2002. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, the goverment can screw up a one (1) car parade. And as for this troll who started this thread, I wonder who is paying for HIS education in a state owned school. Between his pell grants, and student loans which want get paid back. Let me see, I think that it will probably be us and our tax doller

[Intercooled]

Whats with the Hummer wite off for business use? I write mine off! who cares! If I owned a Prius I would write that off too. As a business owner I can write off any vehicle used for business. Whats this loop hole all about???

[frank6150]

Mmmmm... Cal U. That brings back far too many memories. Such a waste of land. I walked those streets in many drug and liquor induced comas. I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad that you are about 30 minutes from me.