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noc
12-16-2003, 12:34 AM
AWD
Full time 4WD
RWD with Front assist?

What is it?

noc
12-16-2003, 12:34 AM
AWD
Full time 4WD
RWD with Front assist?

What is it?

unaslob
12-16-2003, 12:51 AM
yes.



ok... as far as I understand it... it is rear 70/30 front.


unaslob

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RIC-H0
12-16-2003, 02:45 AM
Thanks Phil...
I always wondered what the differences were.
Never knew the real differences.
Now I can be the life of the party!

Ric-H2

noc
12-16-2003, 02:50 AM
Ya.. Thanks Phil. Great Explanation!

I was wondering cuz no where does it state what it is on any of the hummer marketing material.

PARAGON
12-16-2003, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
It is full time 4WD. It is not AWD. AWD is not really designed for off road use and doesn't do very well off road....

Full time 4WD is the correct answer, although some will no doubt argue...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I took this as an invitation. It IS full time 4WD but it is also AWD. My limited understanding is that AWD can simply be a full time 4WD system that continually modulates the power to the wheels based on torque needs at each wheel. This is what 4HI Open does in the H2. While there is normally a 40/60 power split front/back, the H2 uses a sophisticated system to detect slippage at each wheel and manages the slippage by transferring power to the appropriate wheel.

When the 4HI Locked is chosen, the H2 is now in full time 4WD with a 50/50 split front/rear with the traction control still part of the process.

When someone asks, it's easier to say full-time 4WD because AWD makes people think of things like Volvo's and Suburu's but from a pure definition standpoint I think both answers are correct because all full-time 4WD vehicles have to be AWD by definition but not all AWD systems are full-time 4WD. The reason is that some AWD systems send all the power to the rear until in detects slippage, therefore it would be a 2WD until slippage occurs.

The H2 would be considered both AWD and full-time 4WD. I think I typed what I was thinking, but then again I might have confused myself on this one.

PARAGON
12-16-2003, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
I knew someone would disagree http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
...it is generally accepted tpo refer to anything by the highest level it achives, not the lowest.

You can call your H2 an AWD truck and I'll stick to calling mine a full time 4WD, then we'll all be happy http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
TOUCHE'

PARAGON
12-16-2003, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlamoJim:
So what your saying is that the tcase will supply the power to the wheels that need it in tough conditions - like speed bumps and climbing between parking levels?...
oh, and large slippery boulders to boot!
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (I couldn't stop myself...I will delete this post when I feel sufficient guilt)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, and it also supplies power to the wheel that needs it when it's climbing over puny Jeeps. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AlamoJim
12-16-2003, 03:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jnsfox:
Damn Trolls!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
that would be sufficient guilt...
like I said...couldn't stop myself, my mind said no but my fingers typed anyway, lol

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PARAGON
12-16-2003, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jnsfox:
I actually have a question that may sound stupid, but it's been bothering me. All other GMC trucks run normally in 2HI, why did the H2 not at least come with selectable 2HI and wouldn't this have helped gas mileage....please be nice, I know this is probably a dumb question http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seth<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Seth, the gas mileage gain would probably be very small as you still have the weight issue and the UN-aerodynamic aspect of the shape of the H2. The only real issue that would effect mileage would be increased friction due to having to provide power through more points.

For instance, I also have a Yukon XL Denali that is full time 4WD, weighs nearly the same as the H2 but gets about 17mpg. It's due to slicker aerodynamics and the fact that the Denali is geared with 3.73 differentials.

AlamoJim
12-16-2003, 03:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by paragon:
It's due to slicker aerodynamics and the fact that the Denali is geared with 3.73 differentials.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gearing plays a HUGE part in the mileage and the application of power...
many off roaders will regear a vehicle to regain the power lost with bigger tires/wheels -
but running 4:10 or lower (4:56,etc...) will really kill your highway mileage if you try to
run 65mph - you end up running 2k-3k rpm to try and maintain your speed.
running a 3:73 will give you much better highway mileage but you will suffer in power
situations since your multiplying less torque to the axles. My wifes Expedition is great on
the highway running 3:73s but can't outrun a Yugo from the stoplight...
yes being shaped like a box with a big upright windshied doesn't help
(I should know - just a smaller box), but the gearing and tire/wheel size is such a
big factor - more than most people realize until after they get bigger tires/wheels.
I am planning more lift and bigger tires/wheels in the spring and I know that
I need to add in another grand to cover installing new gears (I am not into the 'look'
I expect the vehicle to perform offroad...)

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Dan
12-16-2003, 06:29 PM
Now look what you've done. You've agitated Phil. Just back away, sloooowly. And don't make any more eye contact!

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Centerfire
12-16-2003, 08:03 PM
Ok I think I got this AWD and 4wd thing done.. I have just one question.. If I'm drivin backwards. is it now 60/40 instead of 40/60?

Mike

PARAGON
12-16-2003, 09:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Actually, I've been drinking lots of green tea (with milk and sugar of course) today, so I'm feeling very zen like...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Phil, did you get that green tea from MAC?

noc
12-17-2003, 12:58 AM
hmm.. I was looking thru the '03 manual and on page 2-28 it refers the H2 as all wheel drive. On the '04 manual, where the table of content is .. it states All-Wheel Drive Page 5-48. So I guess Hummer calls it all wheel drive.

RIC-H0
12-17-2003, 03:09 AM
Ya'll are spending too much time debating which is the proper description, while you can be taking advantage of our "All Wheel/4 Wheel Drive H2"
Lets just call it a "All 4 Wheels Drive" Vehicle!

Just having Fun!

Ric-H2 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif