View Full Version : UW disrespects and dishonors famed WWII 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' Marine hero
CampMaster
02-18-2006, 01:58 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">This makes my blood boil!</span>
http://www.freewebs.com/blacksheepone/VMF214.jpg
Students reject honor to 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' hero
Member of Marines not 'sort of person UW wanted to produce'
The University of Washington's student senate rejected a memorial for alumnus Gregory "Pappy" Boyington of "Black Sheep Squadron" fame amid concerns a military hero who shot down enemy planes was not the right kind of person to represent the school.
Student senator Jill Edwards, according to minutes of the student government's meeting last week, said she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."
Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."
Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.
Smith, according to the minutes, said "the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington's service, not his killing of others."
The senate's decision was reported first by Seattle radio talk-host Kirby Wilbur of KVI, whose listeners were "absolutely incensed," according to producer Matt Haver.
Brent Ludeman, president of the university's College Republicans, told WND in an e-mail the decision "reflects poorly on the university."
"Pappy Boyington went beyond the call of duty to serve and protect this country he simply deserves better," Ludeman said. "Just last year, the university erected a memorial to diversity. Why can't we do the same for Pappy Boyington and others who have defended our country?"
The resolution points out Boyington, a student at the UW from 1930-34, served as a combat pilot in the 1st Squadron, American Volunteer Group the "Flying Tigers of China" and later as a Marine Corps combat pilot in charge of Marine Fighting Squadron 214, "The Black Sheep Squadron."
Along with the Navy Cross, Boyington was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Franklin D. Roosevelt for his heroism. He was shot down and spent 20 months in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp... the rest is here (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48808)
According to the minutes...
Jill Edward questioned whether it was appropriate to honor a person who killed other perople.
She said she didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person US wanted to produce.
Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already commemorated rich white men.
http://www.medalofhonor.com/boyingt.jpg
UW Studend Senate contact information here: http://www.asuw.org/directory.php
public knowledge
If you feel moved, drop them a line.
If you're alumni, feel free to tell them to go to hell.
Double that if you're a vet.
Just for reference, they wanted to have work started (not necessarily completed) by Jan 11, 2008 - the 20th anniversary of his death.
CampMaster
02-18-2006, 01:58 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">This makes my blood boil!</span>
http://www.freewebs.com/blacksheepone/VMF214.jpg
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Students reject honor to 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' hero
Member of Marines not 'sort of person UW wanted to produce'
The University of Washington's student senate rejected a memorial for alumnus Gregory "Pappy" Boyington of "Black Sheep Squadron" fame amid concerns a military hero who shot down enemy planes was not the right kind of person to represent the school.
Student senator Jill Edwards, according to minutes of the student government's meeting last week, said she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."
Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."
Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.
Smith, according to the minutes, said "the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington's service, not his killing of others."
The senate's decision was reported first by Seattle radio talk-host Kirby Wilbur of KVI, whose listeners were "absolutely incensed," according to producer Matt Haver.
Brent Ludeman, president of the university's College Republicans, told WND in an e-mail the decision "reflects poorly on the university."
"Pappy Boyington went beyond the call of duty to serve and protect this country he simply deserves better," Ludeman said. "Just last year, the university erected a memorial to diversity. Why can't we do the same for Pappy Boyington and others who have defended our country?"
The resolution points out Boyington, a student at the UW from 1930-34, served as a combat pilot in the 1st Squadron, American Volunteer Group the "Flying Tigers of China" and later as a Marine Corps combat pilot in charge of Marine Fighting Squadron 214, "The Black Sheep Squadron."
Along with the Navy Cross, Boyington was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Franklin D. Roosevelt for his heroism. He was shot down and spent 20 months in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> the rest is here (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48808)
According to the minutes...
Jill Edward questioned whether it was appropriate to honor a person who killed other perople.
She said she didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person US wanted to produce.
Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already commemorated rich white men.
http://www.medalofhonor.com/boyingt.jpg
UW Studend Senate contact information here: http://www.asuw.org/directory.php
public knowledge
If you feel moved, drop them a line.
If you're alumni, feel free to tell them to go to hell.
Double that if you're a vet.
Just for reference, they wanted to have work started (not necessarily completed) by Jan 11, 2008 - the 20th anniversary of his death.
GeorgeSSSS
02-18-2006, 02:52 PM
They are cowards standing in judgment of a brave man.
Klaus
02-18-2006, 03:18 PM
http://elcova.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/1726043161/m/2821045061
GeorgeSSSS
02-18-2006, 03:36 PM
IMHO, it could not have been expressed better than by Klaus' extremely well written piece.
CampMaster
02-18-2006, 03:38 PM
Word is spreading...
Man Without Honor (http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=021706H)
http://www.tcsdaily.com/images/Library/None/boyington.jpg
<A HREF="http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3921415/anchors_3921415/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#3921415" TARGET=_blank>
HE FOUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY ... BUT HE'S NOT WORTHY...</A>
University of Washington Doesnt Like Black Sheep (http://www.goldfalcon.org/index.php/2006/02/14/university-of-washington-doesnt-like-black-sheep/)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yesterday in the Nuze and on my show I shared with you the story of Jill Edwards, a junior math major at the University of Washington. In brief, Edwards, a member of the UW student senate, opposed a memorial to UW grad "Pappy" Boyington. Boyington was a U.S. Marine aviator who earned the Medal of Honor in World War II. Edwards said that she didn't think it was appropriate to honor a person who killed other people. She also said that a member of the Marine Corps was NOT an example of the sort of person the University of Washington wanted to produce.
I'm happy to report to you that there are other students at the University of Washington who have the good sense to be embarrassed by Jill Edwards. In fact, one member of the student senate has introduced an item demanding an apology from Edwards. Here you go: </div></BLOCKQUOTE> the rest at this link (http://boortz.com/nuze/)
Here is a photo of Jill
http://boortz.com/images/jill_edwards.jpg
PackerFever
02-18-2006, 04:20 PM
I just had fun writing an email to those low lifes....I think i may need to write one to each member of the borad as well.
Klaus
02-18-2006, 04:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GeorgeSSSS:
IMHO, it could not have been expressed better than by Klaus' extremely well written piece. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't write the article - Neal Boortz did. He hosts a national radio talk show that is based out of Atlanta.
www.boortz.com (http://www.boortz.com)
westhillsat
02-19-2006, 12:15 AM
Pappy was one hell of a hero, a true hero.
Jill and Ashley = losers
Dumb biotches...
GeorgeSSSS
02-19-2006, 01:44 PM
These UW kids just don't get it.
That stupid, selfish, self-centered little bitch shouldn't be forced to apologize. Greg Boyington didn't risk his life so the UW Student Senate could suppress the opinions of stupid, selfish, self-centered little bitches. He did it so that stupid, selfish, self-centered little bitches could be stupid, selfish, self-centered little bitches in the America AS LOUD AS THEY WANT TO BE.
Any apology from her will just be lip service. If the UW student senate wants to disagree with her, they should go on record that her opinion is her's and not theirs. Fine. More importantly, they should show who they are by erecting a monument to a brave man. And let Ms. Jill Edwards be remembered as the catylist that ignited the movement for Boyington's memorial.
Oh, BTW, recall that Ms. Edwards made a comment about "... monuments to rich white men ..." She's a racist and a sexist too. That's in addition to being a stupid, selfish, self-centered little bitch. Judging from all of that and her photo, it's a good thing she's a honors croquet player. It'll give her something to do on prom night.
Boyington risked his life for free speech. That's what you got from Ms. Edwards, and that's what you just got from me.
George SSSS
PackerFever
02-20-2006, 07:42 PM
Free Speech...I used it too. I* sent them an email last week and guess what? I just got one back from them. Here are both of those.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Emailed by Fever to UW......It was titled Unbelievable Cowards.....
How can you stand in judgement of a man who did what he was asked by the US Government in a time of war? This man, Pappy Boyington, is a hero who happened to go to your school. If you think that you have already erected too many monuments to white men then maybe you are not getting it at all. Whomever they are, you should be proud that they went to UW and was honorable enough to get the Navy Cross. Your judegement of a brave man makes me sick, just how many of the students at your limp wristed campus would have the balls to stand up and fight in honor of this country in these times?
"A Marine is not the type of person we want to produce at UW"?????? What the hell does that mean? I think that you should look at your alumni and see how many of them served in any branch and how many parents of students served before you condemn all Marines or service men and women. My nephew wanted me to take him to your campus this summer so he can see it...he really thought he wanted to go there. I am emailing him this story to his platoon right now. I doubt he will want to go to school in Washinton at all now with his GI Bill money. This kid is now going to have to find somewhere he is welcomed and not disrespected like he would be by your student orgainization who just spit in the face of all Americans.
End </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They actually sent me a response today....<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Mr. We spelled your name wrong,
Thanks for your email, you obviously care about this country and respecting combat veterans and the sacrifices that have been made. For these reason I co-sponsored the original resolution. As student body president that should indicate what the student community at large feels.
In examining what happened at the Senate meeting I would caution you on reading the minutes, they are paraphrased and have a number of errors. Further, many articles, posts, and reports are highlighting quotes that do not necessarily reflect what went on at the meeting. The rationale behind this resolution losing by one vote are a bit more profound.
On Jill Edwards comments. They were her own, and afterward there has not only been a response from the outside community but even at the meeting itself, there were many who responded outright or were on the speakers list wishing to. (Side comments or a crowd uproar aren't recorded) In the days following, she said she realizes the impact of how she worded her stance, and I think I speak for her when I say she is sorry for any insult felt from her choice of words. I continue to defend the right for her to say anything that she believes, as I am sure most do.
In the end, after talking with a number of senators I have found that many of them were concerned that it was just Colonel Boyington and wanted other veterans to be included. You'll find these statements in the minutes but they have not been the focus. It was discovered after more research by the sponsor that 4 others were awarded Medal of Honor besides Boyington. That idea, that there were others clearly worthy of a memorial, resonated more than the others did in my opinion. That has been the most consistent argument I have heard. For this reasons, the sponsor, myself, and others, are very confident that a new resolution will be able to pass that is inclusive of the other 4. It is being drafted right now and should be introduced shortly.
I would be glad to answer any more questions, after all the buck stops here. With that I apologize for any disrespect taken, again I am confident it failed for lack of inclusion of other worthy recipients. I would also welcome them from your nephew. In debate, much is said, but in the exchange I believe that a lot is learned and the right conclusions are made. I think honoring all 5 will be the best one.
Sincerely,
Lee Dunbar
asuwpres@u.washington.edu
PS: Unrelated, I am an International Studies major and have many classes as a result with veterans with the GI Bill. I could forward any questions about UW, classes, etc. to those students if you want.
Lee M. Dunbar
President
Associated Students of the University of Washington </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I stil theink they suck and would not recommend that school but at least they did respond even if it was limp wristed and propbably written after they got a good laugh.
Freedom of speech is fine, I use it all the time. But it the the speaker who represent a group who needs to be careful,. If they believe their own crap then we are in trouble. Remember tomorrows leaders are today youth.
~Fever
CampMaster
02-20-2006, 08:15 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">He supports a sexist, racist?!?!?</span>
If it were about an African American woman or a Native American woman or etc... would he defend that senator's right to express the opinion?!?!? I don't think so.
Klaus
02-21-2006, 11:53 AM
Lt. Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington Memorial Scholarship Fund
A scholarship fund honoring World War II Fighter Pilot Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, a Congressional Medal of Honor winner and UW alumnus. Boyington was a 1934 UW aeronautics & astronautics engineering graduate. This fund provides scholarships to undergraduate students who are either a U.S Marine Corps veteran or are the child of a U.S Marine Corps veteran.
http://secure.gifts.washington.edu/uw_foundation/gift.a..._typ=3&source=PAPPYB (http://secure.gifts.washington.edu/uw_foundation/gift.asp?source_typ=3&source=PAPPYB)
GeorgeSSSS
02-21-2006, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CampMaster:
<span class="ev_code_RED">He supports a sexist, racist?!?!?</span>
If it were about an African American woman or a Native American woman or etc... would he defend that senator's right to express the opinion?!?!? I don't think so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Campmaster: I think we're on the same side and there's some confusion. I'm a veteran and I'm supporting this jerk bitch's right to disrespect a brave man who risked his life for ours because that is exactly what he fought for -- -- the right to be free and express yourself. She's a jerk, a racist and a sexist -- -- and in the U.S. she gets to say her piece, no matter how stupid and bigoted it might be.
That's where I come down on this.
I think you and I are 100% in agreement that UW should build a monument to Boyington. If we ever meet at an H2 event, I'll buy you a glass of Wild Turkey.
George SSSS
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