Lynch Hummer Video

[Klaus]

Lynch Hummer has a new Quicktime Video on their web site:

http://www.lynchhummer.com/videos/h2.vs.competition.mov

Enjoy!

Klaus

[Klaus]

Lynch Hummer has a new Quicktime Video on their web site:

http://www.lynchhummer.com/videos/h2.vs.competition.mov

Enjoy!

Klaus

[HummerTeam]

Cool video.... Stock rig to stock rig "follow the leader"

http://www.HummerTeam.com
Travis - North Texas

[DIANE]

I bought my H2 from Lynch Hummer and they were great. I will buy my next one there to (hopefully for my husband).

[DennisAJC]

This "Tag-along" negative commentary to everything say about the H2 is making you look stupid Marcey. It's getting obvious you want it! Keep talkin.....

[gumarcel]

Lets not call me by that. just look at the video yourself. the guy could have lifted the range rover and lexus up using the suspention, but he didn't

Chris Marcel
gumarcel@aol.com

[Steve R]

OH HELL YEAHHHHHH!!!!!! NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!

But let's not confuse them with the facts.

My buddy Dave is all about his H1...he laughs and just tells me to expect bashing from all the other brands....it comes with owning the BEST. And btw, his wife drives a Disco...he straight out says it's not even close to being in the same class as an H2.

Why they want to turn theirs in: poor quality, same gas mileage as the H2, doesn't have enough clearance, the rear step/hitch drag way behind the rear axle, not comfortable, can't do nearly the side-slope of a Hummer, and the list goes on. NOT EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS.

Great video!

[glockman]

Loved the video too. Thanks for the post. Guess I will need to get some extraction straps for the inevitable "rescue" that is waiting down the road for all those wannabe's. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[SOFTTAILJC]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif the video was great!!! still laughing....where are the nit wits now?......loved the ending tooo.......soft http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[98 SNAKE EATER]

Nice Video http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



------------------
Aztek Yellow Trans Am (new) (http://community.webshots.com/album/30977567AwidVsjOjI)
98 Trans Am WS7 (http://community.webshots.com/album/22779082WuTbSHsNly)
70 Ram Air IV Trans Am (http://community.webshots.com/album/24092276OJKrbnMEGT)
Modified Goped Sport (http://community.webshots.com/album/22651240QbneHHQDfN)
1/10th scale HPI R/C car (http://community.webshots.com/album/36265150ANDOOR)
1/5th scale GB R/C car (http://community.webshots.com/album/23473875SoYsbJbRWb)
FUEL SLUT Video Archive (http://www.fuelslut.com/videos/)
R/C Video Archive (http://www.ownz.com/~mystical/rick/)
Moderator at LS1.com (http://www.ls1.com/forums/index.php?s=) and FUEL SLUT.com (http://www.fuelslut.com)
After 7 months in the NYPD Vehicle Impound, I Finally have my Baby Back!!
http://development.rmci.net/~term/image.phtml/http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v0/7/76/27/30977627nqlkbnyooY_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/album/22779082WuTbSHsNly) http://development.rmci.net/~term/image.phtml/http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v0/6/53/14/23665314JxIVyFSbPU_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/album/36265150ANDOOR) http://development.rmci.net/~term/image.phtml/http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v0/3/92/79/31339279GKDEaNTbyv_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/album/22779082WuTbSHsNly) http://development.rmci.net/~term/image.phtml/http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v2/3/20/51/36332051QEucir_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/album/30977567AwidVsjOjI) http://development.rmci.net/~term/image.phtml/http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v0/9/34/5/24093405kMhzbxbZQy_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/album/24092276OJKrbnMEGT)

[Zing]

Wow Snake, that is one nice trans am. Trans am used to be a dream car of mine growing up and I think it has evolved nicely over the years. I hadn't seen the new one yet. Looks great in yellow too.

Cool video. No wonder those rover people hate us.

[Fred]

That video is made to show what the hummer can do. It did not show any of the vehicles that could make it over that stuff. Those tests were built specifically for the H2 so it is not an accurate representation of the differences of the vehicles. And where the wrangler anyways? Don't want to show a vehicle that can show up the H2 in most if not all of those tests?

[DennisAJC]

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time!

H2 rules! Mind you, some parts were suspiciously unfair but that's life!
Can't wait for my baby to arrive.

[rpv]

I can't seem to view the H2 video???

RPV

[Mike97ZJ]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I keep trying, but that damn movie just won't come up for me. Does that link work for everyone else?

[98 SNAKE EATER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zazing:
Wow Snake, that is one nice trans am. Trans am used to be a dream car of mine growing up and I think it has evolved nicely over the years. I hadn't seen the new one yet. Looks great in yellow too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanx http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Yeah, the T/A was pretty much my Dream car when growing up too http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif (especially the 70)


However, times change (and families grow), so now we have to look into sumthin bigger (hopefully an H2)



Rick http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[98 SNAKE EATER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fred:

And where the wrangler anyways? Don't want to show a vehicle that can show up the H2 in most if not all of those tests?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Doncha just love Jeep people http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



I have no doubt in my mind that a Wrangler could wheel its way through the obstacle course just as easy or even better than the H2, but you'd really be comparing Apples to Oranges...


The Wranglers are teeny with a short wheel base, so it wouldn't have any trouble clearing the obstacles...


But if that was the case, you might as well bring in an old Suzuki Samurai 4x4 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (those things kick arse for mudding!!)



Rick http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Fred]

I'm at least glad that i get intelligent responses, not just "my H2 is better than your jeep because it's more expensive". Thankyou at least for that. I am just not a fan of GM taking over an awesome off road vehicle and making it much more road oriented.

[muddyrover]

that wasn't even close to accurate, i laughed myself at the misrepresentation of the video.

I love fishsticks w/ hot sauce and tartar sauce

[Peter]

It seemed like they took the most expensive SUV from each maker and ran them. So for instance a Suzuki Samurai while they can go nearly anywhere does not belong in this category.

I love how the H2 hits the powder hill at 40mph and powers up, then the others with no momentum at all are steered into the soft stuff to flounder and get stuck. I think I could have done better with any of the other trucks.

I was surprised by the other trucks dipping so low in the fording basin. I expected the Range Rover to do better. I almost bought a Range Rover then tried the H2 and drove it home.

[JMoore]

The break over test didn't seem to fair with the Toyota running with side steps and them conviently removed on the H2... Also the G Wagon is equiped with 3 lockers, none looked engaged.

-John

Beer is the reason we know God loves us.

[muskyman]

see thats the thing with editorial rights , you can portray anything you want to see.

thats how it works.

I have been to the hummer prooving ground in south bend and with the exception of the modified verticle wall they have now seamed to put a wood board on the lip I have driven those trails and test obstacles. and I cant think of any that my stock disco could not do other then the progressive sand trenches...funny they dident show the H2 there?

to bad that the drivers in all the other vehicles never heard of MOMENTUM!

also kinda funny on that one hill where only the rear wheel on the Gwagon was turning? the Gwagon has front rear and center selectable lockers...driver must not have known that? or they just meant to skew the results.

MM

Musky:the thinking mans fish

Dirt is for playing roads are for getting there

[Steve R]

Musky,

About the B-box's 3 lockers, 2 of them are the front & rear diff-locks. I'm guessing the 3rd is when the transfer case locks and sends power to front & rear axles???? just curious if there is some other mechanical thing.

As far as the video....yeah, they show what they want. About the only thing that seems totally legit is the part where the H2 clears that big concrete step. I'm pretty sure all the other SUV's would damage their front bumpers and general area. You've got to admit that this is one area the steep approach angle and large tires come into play. Course....any modified rig can be made to do that...but still.

[JMoore]

Steve,

The third is the transfer case. I'm not sure if in a GWagon it's electrical or mechanical or a combination of the two. In regards to the approach angle, most serious Land rover guys trim the airdam to increase the angle.

-John

Beer is the reason we know God loves us.

[muskyman]

steve,

the Gwagon does have three lockers , front &rear axle and center diff.

well the claimed 20" ledge climb is just warmed over from the H1...that ledge sure dosent look 20" to me.

do you know where that spec came from?

the hummer was designed to fight in city street across the pond. and for security reasons building over there are often ringed with 18" barrier made of concrete. So the Military went over that to 20" and wrote it into the original design requirments.

did you happen to notice there was no comparison of break-over angle in that video? Break-over angle is a key factor in real off-road situations even more then approach and departure angles but yet no mention?

I'll bet you can guess whyhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Musky:the thinking mans fish

Dirt is for playing roads are for getting there

[Texas Red]

The current info on Hummer.com says the H1 is capable of 22" step and 30" fording depth, while the H2 is capable of 16" step and 20" fording depth.

[Steve R]

Lack of break-over angle is my biggest complaint with the H2. I won't kid you....when I first saw the H2 I immediately felt that the "skirt" should be lifted higher off the ground!

My buddy has a Toyota Tacoma that has more clearance under the body! not much...but a bit more. The only thing I can say is that our entire belly is protected...whereas other vehicles still have their transfer case, drive-shaft and other such things hanging out.

If you look at the H2, you will notice they did what they could to keep the wheelbase from getting too long: the passenger compartment is pushed way way forward, the rear seating offers juuuuuust enough leg room for passengers, and the cargo area isn't all that long either. You have to figure, if you want a sharp approach and departure angle, then all you have left to work with is the area between front & rear axles....they went with a measurement that was about as long as they reasonably could get away with.

I'm sure they could have pulled the front & rear axles tighter together...but then our butt would hang-out and our front would also extend further forwards (like a disco). It's sacrifices one way or another!

I'm sure you'll be very interested with what it being designed as an "H4"...this vehicle is based on the size of a D90, but will feature gear-driven hubs, CTIS and some huge suspension travel. It's still in design phase...but this vehicle will lack the cargo room and bring to us a true all-offroader. Or in your case, something you don't have to modify as much. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When you get your H2, what do you plan/anticipate doing to deal with getting more clearance. I assume an SFA is in the line of thought...but what else comes to mind?

[brianfriend]

Just to let you all know ahead of time I am a Rover guy.

That video was simply marketing. I could have driven every one of those vehicle through that course.

To point out a few things:

Range Rover...was not raised up
g wagon...lockers not engaged.
The water crossing...why didn't they how the vehicles actually attempting it. I bet most would have been fine. The rr and discovery and jeep I am fairly sure.

It was a good comercial as long as you know it was just a comercial.

As far as TRUE off roading ability of each of those vehicles shown the G-Wagon would have been the best then the RR and Discover, Jeep and somewhear down the line the h2 would be there.

Here is a question for you guys. Where are the pictures of all the steller off roading that YOU Guys have done? Maybe I just didn't see them yet but come on over and take a look at some of the pictures on the discoweb.org site.

BTW...Im in colorado springs and I off road lots. If anyone is interested in hitting some trails let me know. I don't have any bias towards the vehicles I wheel with, every one has there own preferences, I just like to wheel.

brian friend

If it can break it can be fixed.

[brianfriend]

Hey Cohummerowner, (jeeze thats a long name to type)

I am currently broken but I am making progress with the truck. I should be ready to be out on the trails again by the end of this month or beginning of next. I can usually go on wed and up untill my last trip (indepedance--there is a write up on discoweb.org of that trip) I wheeled every sunday. My truck is drivable now but I have the fendor off to pound back out some dents and I had to pound the headlight holder thingy back into place. My cv are broken and wife has put a kabash on truck money otherwise I would be back up ad running again. drop me an e-mail

blfsales@cs.com

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Firebreather]

ohhhhhhh K brian....the G-Wagon, then the RR, then the Disco, then the Grand Cherokee, then the Lexus, then somewhere way down the list is the H2 in terms of off-road capability!??

thats the funniest post i have ever read! thanks for the laugh!

as a former Ranger Rover, Disco and Grand Cherokee owner, i completely disagree with you. if you were even serious. your post was so preposterous, i dont think you were...perhaps u are just pulling the H2 owners' chain a little...

i dont own a H2...hope to pick up an 04...but i am a self-professed lover of the Range Rover. but i can tell you the Discovery as sold in completely stock form sucks. The tires are horrible. the 4wd system doesnt work nearly as well as the RR. The Grand Cherokee is even worse. as for the RR, it was darn near impossible to get stuck. i wish they would have kept it like it was ie real bumpers, SFA, steel frame etc...the new one is anything but what a RR has been about for the last 40 years..its a Lexus.

i understand why the Rover and Jeep guys have such a hard time accepting the H2 but my goodness! to place it below theDisco, GC and Lexus in stock form is just a little too much! There is definitely some argument to be made re the G wagon and RR but the others? come on!

and i think that video was true. no deception. no decks stacked in favor of any truck. the H2 is just better in stock form.

its kind of like watching the vette and f body crowd say that they can make their cars go faster than a Viper...there is no doubt about it. but in stock form the Viper is faster and whatever u can do to a vette or camaro i can do to a Viper and see more gains from it.

once u start talking about modding these trucks, all bets are off. the facts are simple. in stock form there are only a handful of dedicated specialty vehicles that will out wheel the H2... G-wagon (perhaps)...Rubicon (maybe...new RR (probably not)...Disco (no way)...Jeep GC (absolutely not)...H1 (in some things but not others) face it the H2 is about the best blend between extreme off-road vehicle and family truck there is. without exception. IMHO...of course!

now let me go watch that video again. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[brianfriend]

firebreather,

Good idea to watch the video again. Pay attention to how the other vehicles are driven. Of course they didn't do as well.

I didn't say the h2 was the worst all I said was this is the order that I think they would fall in. gwagon, rr, disco, jeep and I stand behind that. I don't have much experience with the other vehicles because I have no interest in them.

I don't have access to a stock g, or jeep but I could get access to a stock disco 2 and I am willing to bet a 12 pack that I could outwheel a h2 with it. I can't use my own for this challange because it is far from stock now.

Anyone in? This would be kind of fun.

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Firebreather]

brian:

i was just playing about the video being completely unbiased. but with all due respect, u are out of your mind! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

the stock tires on a Disco might as well be whitewalls...

strictly stock vs. stock, i really dont think there is any comparison. look at the numbers..approach and departure angles...clearance...water fording...power...etc...lockers...adjustable suspension...etc...

i dont think there is any argument that the Disco can be modded to be a much better truck...

but u have to concede at least on the Jeep...a Grand Cherokee? its a station wagon! i could see an argument if it was a wrangler...

oh and i forgot the Defender (a definite possibility)

[brianfriend]

Heres what we need to do. We need to round up a couple of disco2 guys and a couple of h2 guys and hit a trail. If I am wrong I will admit it.

Don't rely too much on publishe numbers because that is all they are, numbers. The track that the video was taped on was designed to show the strengths of the h2, just as land rover tracks are designed to show the strengths of Land Rover. The real test would be out on a trail somewhere. The one variable that could not be acounted for is drivers skill. So the contest needs to have stock vehicles and drivers with roughtly the same experience level.

Any one in? 12 pack riding on it and a bit of humility.

brian

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Firebreather]

i agree. but from what i have seen from the magazine tests...not Hummer Mag or Jeep Mag or Rover Mag but the "independent" mags...seem to all include that the H2 is superior to just about anything out there except a few niche vehicles.

some even have found the H2 is better than the H1.

Brian:

tell me the truth...u cant be a fan of those Goodyear wrangler HRs that come stock on the Disco right?

when i had mine, it was a 2001, i drove it out in my parents pasture on flat land in a little bit of mud and the damn thing got stuck...then after my dad pulled me out, i slid all around on the concrete as it couldnt gain any traction or get rid of the mud in the treads. it was horrible. i tries to go up a mild embankment to avoid traffic and the damn tires slid backwards down the hill...the most embarassing thing ever as i had to get back in line in traffic...conversely the Range Rover used to climb up that embankment with ease....

Signed...not a Fan of the Disco but a Range Rover lover...

[brianfriend]

Firebreather,

Yeah, I don't like them much either. They are fine for street but not too good for off road. Throw some good meats on there and it's a whole new game.

If it can break it can be fixed.

[brianfriend]

Here is a link to the independance trail on discoweb. The red discovery is my truck. There are pictures below the write up. Never posted a link before so I hope it works.
http://www.discoweb.org/independencetrail.htm

If it can break it can be fixed.

[HeeHaw]

MUSKY give me a break!!! You're the type of guy that ALWAYS has to be right! ALWAYS has to be first! ALWAYS has to be on TOP! PATHETIC!!!!

Can't you even admit that a STOCK H2 kicked all their asses? HELL NO. You come up with a lame excuse and I have seen this over and over from you. I know they are built in defense Mechanisms.

The H2 is NOT the greatest 4x4 on the planet. It is pretty dam good for a STOCK vehicle and is probably better than any one of those shown in the video. Especially the DISCO!!!!!

Don't forget, I owned one for three years. I know what they will do.

You are simply a person who will always come up with an excuse for this thing or the other. Know your type.

GO HOME!

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

[This message was edited by HeeHaw on February 12, 2003 at 10:04 PM.]

[Firebreather]

brian:

i would take you up on your challenge but for 2 facts: 1. i dont own an H2 and 2. i dont live in Colorado. otherwise, id be right there!

the reading on the discoboard was funny. i saw my name mentioned a few times. u guys look just as silly as we do to an outsider. do u not realize what u drive? a freaking Discovery! its just about the biggest chick SUV in the world! i think half of all college girls who own an suv drive a disco. and of course then it becomes the proverbial "soccer mom" vehicle. but u guys make it out to be the ultimate 4x4. ROTFLMAO!!!

oh wait i forgot...the H2 is the poser vehicle...not the Disco...right? lol! and tell all those guys and gals on the disco board to come get some if they want it. educate me please. even though ive owned a Disco and 2 Range Rovers, i know nothing about them. i did learn one thing over on your board, that 3 H2s flipped over on the LR course...that even a freelander can make it over! wow! that just about makes the H2 the worst 4x4 there is! OMG! u guys are a riot!

and hey that was an awesome story about the independence trail. great job on making it out. u do realize the H2 would have just driven right up and had u home by 6:30 right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HeeHaw]

Fire 1

DISCO -0

ROTFLOL..................

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

[Steve R]

Firebreather...good job trying to bring a sense of reality to someone who is clearly delusional about the capabilities (or lack thereof) of a Disco.

The Disco simply blows: Beside being the biggest "Look, I've got money-chick SUV" ever made...just about everyone who has one can't wait for their lease to run-out so they can unload it. Plagued by mechanical problems and owners professing the lack of quality....the lost-soul of the LR legacy fails to stack-up.

Let's break it down. It comes stock with lovely road tires that have the bite of a gummy-bear. The wheels are medium-sized and the underbelly has little clearance. The front approach angle isn't impressive, but horrifically shallow is the rear which hangs WAAAAYYYY out well past the rear axle. If that isn't bad enough they add a big hitch receiver and a cute little step to further drag on the ground. No rear locker to speak of and the darn thing weighs as much as the H2. VERDICT: NOT EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS.

Then there's the H2: huge tires with wide aggressive tread, lots of clearance, significant underbody protection, very steep approach and departure angles, an electronic rear locker and a traction control system with various settings, height control and all sorts of reinforcement.

The Disco is better then the H2 like a $1 bill is more valuable then a $20 bill. Drop a lift-kit, wheels/tires and some lockers....and then we'll talk. Better yet, why not talk to people who want to hear about it...I'd suggest the Discoweb! None of our members feel the need to go over "there" and tell you how superior our rigs are to yours...so why don't you return the favor and deprive us of your viewpoints.

I'm sick of coming to OUR H2 forum to find ourselves defending the H2. Heehaw is right...when your the best, everyone has to take a shot at ya! We've got nothing to prove.

[Mike97ZJ]

Fire, you'd be amazed at what a Grand Cherokee is capable of.

"Station wagon"?http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /moe/ ..why I oughta..

PS: We need more smileys. I could sure use a "bitch slap" smiley right about now. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[This message was edited by Mike97ZJ on February 13, 2003 at 06:41 AM.]

[This message was edited by Mike97ZJ on February 13, 2003 at 06:42 AM.]

[Dan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brianfriend:

I don't have much experience with the other vehicles because I have no interest in them.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Makes one wonder why you're here then....

- Dan

---------------------------------
SUT on order - 17 months to go!
---------------------------------

[brianfriend]

Dan,

It's obvious that I have some interest in h2 or I wouldn't be here. I like to 4 wheel and I like to talk about it. My comments were mostly based on the video. my experience with h1 was in the Marine Corp so I do have some knoledge of that vehicle. H2 don't know much about but I would love to see one on the trail first hand. Like I said vefore, if I am wrong I will state it publicly, in this forum and the discoweb forum.

To give you an idea of the trail that I wrote about there is not a stock produced vehicle built that could get through it unscathed. On the standard rating system of 1-10 (10 being undrivable) that trail is a 9++. It is the hardest trail in colorado--subjective opinion. But from my own experience of driving Mt Blanca, Holly Cross, Iron Chest, Spring Creek and many others it is by far the most difficult trail I have ever done. But I am sure the h2 would drive right through it.lol

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Steve R]

Brian,

I visited your lovely discoweb forum late last night and was practically shocked: it was a lot like walking into the lair of a psycholgically deranged murderer. You guys are all bent out of shape and can't stand to see us enjoying our H2's. Your purpose here is quite simple....since Carter's IP is blocked, your over here on his behalf to give us a hard time.

You guys are practically stalking us....you've got our names, our quotes, our pictures.....OMG: you guys need some very serious therapy...cause your mentally feeble minds have some serious confidence and security issues to deal with.

Your only interest here is to cause problems, and then run back to your forum and gleefully rejoice in whatever mayhem you can stir up. Kinda reminds me of elementary school.

Yeah...so the video was a typical commercial, but we all know a stock disco ain't worth a darn. I've seen your rig....you konw...the one that is currently broken...it's all tattered, bashed, dented and trashed: wow...your quite the macho guy!

You wonder where are pics are....well...gee..let's see, the H2 has only been out for about 5-6 months, and I suppose lots of people want to enjoy their new toy before they go pushing them over cliffs. We've got nothing to prove to you. Get a grip, get a clue, get off our forum!

[brianfriend]

Steve,

Who have I bashed? Have been rude or mean or anything like that? I don't think I have even said a bad word about the H2. Am I causing problems for you guys?

I drive my truck off road and it has some bad damage but that is what I bought it for. And after every trip I make I am more and more impressed with the thing. Everyone buys a vehicle for different reasons thats why they make different vehicles.


I guess I am a macho guy. I wrote the story and posted the link here for a few different reasons.

1: I thought you all might be interested in hearing about it and seeing pic.
2. to show that I do know the weekness of my rig
3. to give a bit of credibility that I am not just a www wheeler.
4. to show that with common sence you can overcome most situations that on a trail could leave you stranded
5. and to show that it is very possible to get in over your head.


I just posted a challange because I thought it would be fun to really see how these things do. Is that threatening to you>

Why do you want me off your forum?

brian

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Firebreather]

Mike:

No, I wouldnt be surprised. I used to have one. I'm talking stock. And stock they are station wagons IMHO. Now I agree 100% that Jeeps are like the camaros and mustangs of the 4x4 community...more can be done to them to make them more capable for less $ than any other vehicle.

bitch slap me? watch it now, im gonna have to pimp slap your ass back to the jeep board! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Firebreather]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brianfriend:
Steve,

Who have I bashed? Have been rude or mean or anything like that? I don't think I have even said a bad word about the H2. Am I causing problems for you guys?

I drive my truck off road and it has some bad damage but that is what I bought it for. And after every trip I make I am more and more impressed with the thing. Everyone buys a vehicle for different reasons thats why they make different vehicles.


I guess I am a macho guy. I wrote the story and posted the link here for a few different reasons.

1: I thought you all might be interested in hearing about it and seeing pic.
2. to show that I do know the weekness of my rig
3. to give a bit of credibility that I am not just a www wheeler.
4. to show that with common sence you can overcome most situations that on a trail could leave you stranded
5. and to show that it is very possible to get in over your head.


I just posted a challange because I thought it would be fun to really see how these things do. Is that threatening to you&gt;

Why do you want me off your forum?

brian

If it can break it can be fixed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


while I echo a lot of what Steve has to say about what is going on over at the Disco site... I do not want Brian or Musky or anyone else to leave this forum just because they have different trucks or think theirs are better. Let them stay. Brian and Musky both bring a lot to the table regarding 4 wheel drive knowldege and experience. I for one welcome them here even if we disagree about who has the better truck.

think of it like this, its a huge compliment to the H2 that guys who are as capable off road as these two are interested in hanging around here, learning about the truck, and showing interest in it.

i say its all good.

and Brian COHUMMER did accept your challenge. Take him up on it.

[gusty]

So if you wanna talk stock vs stock do all those H2's with side steps get counted out? That seems to be a favorite mod with you H2 owners. What about the guy with the fake bead locks is he counted out too? GM puts vehicles on the Highway not the back country

[Firebreather]

gutsy:

sure count out the H2s with sidesteps...that actually helps the H2s capability argument. but then you have to do the same thing with the Landies and Jeepers.

Excuse my ignorance but what are bead locks?

and for clarity sake, all im saying is in order to be fair, you should only compare stock vehicles to stock vehicles and when i say stock i mean no performance enhancing mods. obviously, appearance mods dont really count when it comes to determining the stock off road capability of a particular truck.

[Firebreather]

Hey Brian...please tell the other Brian from the Discoweb site thanks for calling me interesting. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

he is right. i dont have an H2. SO i dont know from experience the true capabilities of the H2. THis is the way i look at it. Everyone fudges their numbers. Everyone brags. I dont think GM or Hummer does it anymore than LR or Jeep. So if the published numbers are better and all the independent mag tests verify those numbers, i feel pretty comfortable that the H2 in stock form is more capable than the other vehicles we have been discussing. But the other brian is right. i dont know it personally. i havent seen it for myself. and yes my Disco did get stuck in mud out in my parents back pasture of their ranch. but there is a good reason for that...it had the stock street tires on it. and they suck!

anyways, i guess just start calling me Smokebreather instead! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[brianfriend]

Firebreather,

I'm hoping to hook up with cohummer. I posted my e-mail. I thin we live about an hour away from each other. This wouldn't be a real competition though because my truck is not staock anymore but I hope we can hook up.

I'll let Brian D know that you read his post lol.

Thanks for the good words on mine and Musky's behalf.

blfsales@cs.com

If it can break it can be fixed.

[brianfriend]

Cohummer,

I agree. I just like to wheel too. It would not be a competitve thing just getting out on the trail. I have some cv joints coming in. They will be used and rather torn up but they will hold fine until I can get my upgrades but I won't be able to do any real serious stuff fow awhile. I will add you to my list.

brian

If it can break it can be fixed.

[brianfriend]

Alec,

I droped you an e-mail. Don't worry about your experience level. The only way to et experience is to get out there and hit the trails. Everyone starts out with 0 experience and the people that I wheel with don't get hung up on that kind of stuff and neither do I. I oculd tell you obout some of the really stupid things I did in the beginning...dangerous stuff. Any way...I'm not looking to make this a competition thing. I just want to meet new people and get in the dirt. We will save the competition for sometime when we have two stock rigs.

brian

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Steve R]

Brianfriend & Musky,

Okay guys...I think I may owe both of you an apology. The Discoweb boys "pearl-harbored" us and the both of you showed up amoungst the whole mess. I just mmmmmmmight have jumped the gun on figuring your motives were malicious.

Honestly...it didn't help to find my name and profanic references made to me on your discoweb with your names right next to them.

Anyways....you guys do have some great insight and obviously offer a nice perspective on things. It still kinda freaks me out that you were part of a seeming conspiracy to cause problems over here....but, well....that's the way it is I suppose.

I've done some research about the SFA and the H2. It would seem that GM does in fact have some SFA's in their parts-bin afterall...so it was their choice to run IFS, not a default thing. The SFA IS the premiere choice for hardcore offroading and it does offer better articulation....but, it would seem that even with the articulation, the large size and relatively long wheelbase precludes the H2 from ever becoming a serious rockcrawler. At the same time, the SRA (rear axle) precludes it from being a great desert racer as well. The whole thing is a huge compromise to achieve an overall performance. Musky, however, is right...it is a good planform to start from. I'd still argue that it's too large.

Again...sorry for jumping on you guys...you just arrived with some nasty company.

Welcome to the clubhouse....just remember to defend it when the Ford, Dodge, Toyota and Nissan guys show up! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Steve R]

Oh yeah....

My vote for the BEST behicle capable of going over almost any terrain and never bottoming out or tipping over:

A HELICOPTER http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[brianfriend]

SteveR, Thanks. Btw...I am sure you didn't find anything derogitory next to my namehttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If it can break it can be fixed.

[Hummie2]

Steve...

Not nit picking, but SRA does't really preclude you from Desert racing. One of the fastest classes for years were class 8 2wd trucks with SRA and LOTS of suspension travel. Iv'e had a couple of desert race rigs and my H2 is number 21 of my 4WDs both with IFS & SFA. I am still undecided as to which is better. They both have their advantages and faults.

BTW... I remember some race film footage I saw one time where they were filming Walker Evans in his class 8 truck from a helicopter. You could see the shadow of the helicopter on the ground next to the truck. They comented in the film on how the truck was out running the helicopter!

Don

[This message was edited by Hummie2 on February 18, 2003 at 08:43 AM.]