First 4-Wheel Drive

[JJ]

So what was your first 4-wheel Drive (add your second, third, etc as you see fit).

Mine - '65 Jeep which was also my first vehicle, followed by a 75 Ramcharger, then a 83 CJ, then a '92 Suburban, and now the H2. Plus and minuses all the way around but all were and have been fun, fun, fun...

JJ

[JJ]

So what was your first 4-wheel Drive (add your second, third, etc as you see fit).

Mine - '65 Jeep which was also my first vehicle, followed by a 75 Ramcharger, then a 83 CJ, then a '92 Suburban, and now the H2. Plus and minuses all the way around but all were and have been fun, fun, fun...

JJ

[Mike97ZJ]

1973 Chevy Cheyenne 1/2 ton shortbed pickup.

It had a 350/TH350/NP205 combo, and I lifted it 4" and ran 35x12.50 Mud Kings.

That truck was awesome, and went just about anywhere. I wish I had kept it.

[JMoore]

1988 Jeep Wrangler
1994 Ford Exploder
1996 Ford Exploder
1998 Isuzu Rodeo
1988 Range Rover
1999 Land Rover Discovery

-John

Beer is the reason we know God loves us.

[Big Z]

78 Cheyenne
73 K5 Blazer
75 Silverado
98 GMC Sierra Dually
01 GMC Sierra Duramax Dually
01 Dodge Ram Dually Cummins
02 Silverado
03 Hummer H2

Bob

[ktower_heels]

98 Ford Exploder (really did blow up at high speed)
01 Tahoe

[SOFTTAILJC]

64 ford f150 stock 74 ford f 250 33 inch tires 77 ford f 150 monster mudders, 6 inch lift 79 ford bronco cepic tires, 6inch lift 95 ford explorer ltd 99 ford explorer,33 inch at's, 2 inch lift edd bauer 03 h2.... thats all the trucks i remember...soft

[jeepsrule]

1978 jeep cj7
1982 jeep cj7

[Adam in CO]

1987 Ford Bronco II - Stock
1974 Jeep CJ5 - 2" lift, 33" tires, full roll cage, high back seats w/ 4 pt restraints.
1969 Ford Bronco Sport - 2" lift, 35" tires, full cage, soft top, 302 Boss engine
1992 Chevy Blazer Sport - 32" tires
2002 Chevy Tahoe Z71 - Stock
2003 Hummer H2 - Stock

"There's nothing stock about a stock car."

CO H2 Club Rocks!
aps101374@yahoo.com

[kdio]

1980 Ford Bronco 6" lift 36" tires
1985 Chevy Blazer
1989 Ford Bronco 6" lift 36" tires
1993 Chevy Suburban 4" lift 33" tires
1998 Ford Expedition 4" lift 35" tires
2001 Ford Excursion
2003 Hummer H2 37" MTRs

[Hummie2]

1958 Chevy 1/2 ton 4X4
1946 CJ2A Jeep
1965 J10 Jeep Pick-up
1948 CJ2A W/ Ford Flathead V8
1957 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4
1956 M38A1 Jeep
1954 M38A1 Jeep W/ 289 Ford V8 & 4 speed, Detroit Locker Rear & Powr-Loc Front posis
1957 Jeep Wagon W/ 289 Ford
2 other M38A1 Jeeps- 1 with 350 Chevy, Detroit Locker& Powr-locked Dana 44s front&rear
2 off-road race rigs that I built tube frames for W/ fiberglass bodies.
1973 Chevy K1500 4X4
1980 Bronco
1984 F250 Ford 4X4
1988 Chevy K3500 4X4 EXT Cab 454 & Detroit Locker
1989 Chevy K1500 4X4
1992 Chevy K2500 4X4
1976 K1500 Chevy 4X4
1993 Chevy K1500 Z71
The H2 is the 21st 4wheel drive I have had in the last 35+ years and I am still undecided on the SFA vs IFS issue.

Don

[This message was edited by Hummie2 on February 16, 2003 at 11:08 PM.]

[MAC]

My first 4x4 is 2003 Hummer H2.

[Mike97ZJ]

Damn Hummie, your past vehicles reads like my wish list!

You didn't buy your '73 Chevy new, did you?

Were the 58 and 57 GM 4x4's conversions you did, or were they Napco trucks? I LOVE the look of those trucks. My uncle has a '56 years ago that he had swapped a 350/4speed into.

[HeeHaw]

56 Chev Pickup CUSTOM
75 Chev Pickup Lift and Modified
84 Chev Pickup sTOCK
94 Exploder stock
95 Tahoe stock
99 Tahoe Z71 stock
00 Exploder stock
02 Jeep Cherokee stock
03 Hummer H2

Wow! I didn't realize I have owned that many 4x4

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

[Hummie2]

Mike...

Both the the 57 and 58 were Napco conversions. The 58 was really a sweet truck. Short bed, straight 6 and 4 speed. Of all the trucks it was my favorite, wish i still had it. The 57 was a long bed with a winch off a duce&half. My dad bought the 73 new and i bought it from his estate when he died. I put a 4" lift, mudders, Hickey fender flares and Warn winch on it while I had it. Still got the winch under my work bench, its going to find a home on the H2.

Don

[Mike97ZJ]

Wow, you had TWO Napco trucks! My understanding is that those trucks are very rare nowadays and worth a few bucks now.

Do you have any idea how much that 73 cost new?

Just wondering. I had a 73 Chevy too, and I was wondering how much it went for new. I had mine setup like your. 4" lift, 35" tires. I didn't bother with flares though. It was a shortbed with a 350/TH350/NP205. I really miss that truck, I kick myself for getting rid of it. Only consolation I have is that those trucks are still all over the place and cheap, so I'll be able to get another one eventually. I plan on a K5 Blazer the 2nd time around, preferably a 73-75.

[Hummie2]

Mike...

The 73 was a K10 Custom Delux 4X4 , Longbed, 350, 4speed. My dad paid $3495 for it. It was the one advertised as the bait. It looked pretty plain in amoungst the Silverados, but had everything dad was looking for. If I remember correctly Silverado 4X4s were about $5K in 73.

I do remember I was only making $5/hr as a diesel mechanic in 1973, so all things considered.....

Don

[Mike97ZJ]

Yeah, I guess everything is relative. My grandfather paid just over 2k for a brand new '55 Chevy, but then again, he was only making a little over a dollar an hour.

Thanks for the info.

Mine was a Cheyenne. It had the aluminum trim around the back of the cab and luxury options such as heat and a headliner, lol.

I lucked out buying it though. Turns out it had 3.73 gears, when the standard gears were 3.07 (yuck!). It also had the part time 205 case rather than the more common full time 203. From reading the four wheeler mags, I've since learned that the TH350/NP205 combo is ultra rare in the early trucks. Apparently most of the 205's came with 4 speeds, and most of the autos came with 203's.

[Daft_Punk]

Just my 2 cents. You can not classify the H2 as 4 wheel drive. It is all wheel drive there is a difference.

4 wheel drive is a vehicle powered by two wheels that manually goes to 4 wheel drive through some intervention

All wheel drive is a vehicle that is permanently powered by four wheels.

[SJ]

PhilD:

I agree with you 100%. I don't consider the H2 an AWD vehicle, but Steve R did site the owner's manual (in a previous post) where GM refers to the "AWD system" of the H2, thus I'm baffled by the whole use of terminology these days.

For me, the Jaguar X-type, Audi Quattro, and Honda Pilot are examples of AWD. I suppose the H2 is considered both AWD and 4WD in the greater scope, but I simply don't consider it AWD in the traditional sense of splitting camps. The ability to manipulate the Transfer Case [Electronic 2-speed unit] is what makes the difference from where I'm sitting.

The fact that all four wheels are engaged does make for AWD, so again the thought of BOTH AWD and 4WD is plausible, but I still lean towards the label of Full-Time 4WD given that the TC can be manipulated.

[Big Z]

Here is the write up.

The sophisticated four-wheel-drive system and transfer case are versatile and driver-selectable. The integrated Borg-Warner two-speed electrically controlled full-time 4WD system is capable of further reducing the vehicle's gear ratios by 2.64:1 when necessary, for highly controlled obstacle climbing. It provides a 40/60 percent front-to-rear torque split in "High Open" mode or when the differentials are unlocked and a 50/50 percent front-to-rear power split when the transfer case differential is locked. A specially designed low-range throttle progression allows the driver to precisely control engine speed (and as a result, the vehicle) during very rough terrain driving, and is automatically engaged when the transfer case is in "4 LO."

The transfer case controls provide five mode selections, four of which can be accessed by dash-mounted button selectors. The fifth mode, neutral, is available by simultaneously pressing two of the button selectors. Selections include:

1) A high-range open or "4 HI Open" for normal, everyday driving on dry road surfaces at any speeds.

2) A high-range lock or "4 HI Locked" for semi-slippery surfaces like snow, light sand or wet areas, such as those around a boat launch; this selection locks the front and rear output shafts together, so their wheels rotate at exactly the same speed.

3) A low-range lock or "4 LO Locked" for severe off-pavement use, such as crawling over large rocks or logs. In addition to locking the two propshafts together, it provides a 2.64:1 gear reduction in the planetary gearset. By lowering the ratios of each of the gears, it adds the equivalent of another, extremely deep-ratio first gear and provides a great deal more torque for slow-speed climbing. Low Lock also activates a new, more measured throttle progression curve, which greatly enhances off-road driving comfort and control. High and Low Lock also allow a driver to select a different set of calibrations for the traction control system, using a separate "TC2" button. This provides additional wheel slip for select operating conditions and road surfaces, such as paddling through deep sand.

4) An Eaton electronic rear differential lock or "4 LO Locked + Rear Diff Locked," available only when the transfer case is in Low Lock position. It permits locking up the rear differential for optimum slow-speed capability in climbing over large rocks or up long, steep grades. It locks the two rear axle shafts together so they rotate at exactly the same speed-and does so electronically. (Since this mode can only be accessed when the transfer case is in Low Lock, the front and rear propshafts are already locked.)

5) "Neutral," obtained by simultaneously pressing the "4 LO Locked" and "4 HI Open" buttons and holding them down for 10 seconds. It permits flat-towing the H2 behind another vehicle http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Daft_Punk]

Good Points made here unfortunately supporting both sides of the equation. This will give me something to research.

[Daft_Punk]

Well can't sleep so did some research which will be all I do on this topic. The H2 is not 4WD it is not AWD it is Full-Time 4WD. There is a difference.

The h2 is considered Full time 4 wheel drive by a unique defining definition.

All Wheel Drive
Only mode is 4WD. Full time.
No 2WD available.
No 4WD "low" available.


Full Time 4WD requires:
A transfer case
A center differential
Two drive shafts
Two axle differentials
Two powered axles

I lernt somthin

[MAC]

What other vehicles have FULL TIME 4WD?

Full Time 4WD requires:
A transfer case
A center differential
Two drive shafts
Two axle differentials
Two powered axles

[Mike97ZJ]

Jeeps with the Quadra Drive or Quadra Trac transfer case are fulltime. Selec-Trac Jeeps also have the option of fulltime 4wd.

I believe Land/Range Rovers are all fulltime 4wd.

The H1 is Fulltime.

Fulltime 4wd was also available on early 70's to early 80's GM and Dodge trucks.

I know there are more that I'm not thinking of right now.

[muddyrover]

1998 Land Rover Discovery

[OLE YLLR]

1981 CHEVY K10 4X4
1995 FORD F150 EDDIE BAUER 4X4
1997 FORD F150 XLT 4X4
1997 FORD EXPEDITION XLT 4x4
1998 FORD EXPEDITION XLT 4x4
2001 FORD F150 XLT 4x4
MY FAVORITE 2003 HUMMER H2 W/ADVENTURE PKG!!!

[H2_GUY]

Hummer H2 2003

-----Mother of all SUVz-----

[Circuitguy]

2003 Yukon
2003 Hummer H2

Thats it!!! C

First American Properties Inc. 916-858-2383
White 03-H2-LUX

[DURAMAX TIM]

1978 Chevy K-20 P/U put in 16" spring lift,5.38 Detroit lockers, 18X44 ground hogs and LS-6 454.
What a mud running machine, used to go in and pull out the stuck ones.
1985 Ranger
1986 Ranger
2-1980 CJ-7
1993 Chevy X-cab 2500 w/ 6.5 turbo diesel
1995 Blazer
1999 Silverado 1500 X-cab 1st truck in our area
1999 Silverado 1500 X-cab
1999 Silverado 1500 X-cab
2000 Silverado 1500 X-cab
2000 Silverado 2500 x-cab
2000 Sierra 2500 x-cab
2000 Silverado 2500 x-cab
2001 Silverado 1500 x-cab
2001 Silverado HD2500 Duramax/Allison carmine
2001 Tahoe red
2001 Silverado HD2500 LT x-cab Duramax/Allison red
2001 Tahoe green
2002 Silverado HD2500 LT x-cab Duramax/Allison carmine
2002 Silverado HD2500 LT x-cab Duramax/Allison red
2002 Suburban Z-71 black
2003 Silverado HD2500 LT crewcab Duramax/Allison black
2003 H2 Lux w/air white
2003 Sierra HD2500 LT crewcab Duramax/Allison
blue
I think this is all of them.

[Mike97ZJ]

Why so many late model trucks, Tim? Do you own a business that uses them? Or do you just buy a new one whenver your old one gets dirty? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just curious.

Oh, and your nickname sure fits. I bet that's what the guys at your local Chevy dealer refer to you as.

[DURAMAX TIM]

Usually I trade them in or sell when I have to add windshield washer fluid http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Seriously, I work for GM and get good discounts so I can get about what I paid back on my trade.
I was keeping same loan and swapping titles but w/ low rates I refinanced the last two to lock in low rate and these are the vehicles I plan on keeping unless the dealers go ahead and make another great offer.
About all the vehicles I have traded have been sold before they make it back to lot.
The dealers make $2-3000 on my trade and about this much on my new sale so they really like it.
The last GMC MSRP was $47,500 w/ discount and rebates I paid $36,000 and will get $35-36,000 on trade.
I don't owe much on the truck or the H2, my plan was to have both vehicles paid for still have brand new vehicles so I keep trading.
I can't hardly wait for a D'max/Allison H2.
20+ MPG and tow anything in site.
I also own an excavating business and farm too.
We have had so many new vehicles it's hard to remember them all http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[cyberaxe]

<P>
.....83 FJ40.....
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.....91 FJ80.....
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.....97 Disco (sons).....
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.....00 Chevy 2500.....
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.....03 X5 (wifes).....
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.....03 H2.....
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[Cranky Steve]

82 Toyota P/U 22r
70 Toyota FJ40 F series inline 6
86 Toyota P/U 22re
88 Toyota P/U 3vze (Still own, very stock, daily driver)
85 Toyota P/U 22re (Still own, heavily modofied for the rocky trails in Nor cal & dump runs)

I like older trucks, no worries about body damage. I would like to get a Duramax or Dodge Cummins to replace the 88 with as a daily driver.

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

[Buckeye Hummer]

97 Silverado
99 Silverado
99 Suburban
01 Tahoe
03 H2
03 H1

I'm a car whore. I get GMS discount so I rotate each year.

[Cranky Steve]

LOL! Ya, you could say that .... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

We're a Toyota and GM Only family, just never owned a GM product with 4wd

Founding Member of RCRC 4wd Club Scaramento, CA www.rcrc4x4.com (http://www.rcrc4x4.com)
Pirate4x4.com Vendor & Toyota Truck and 4Runner Talk Forum Moderator

[RockYoda]

Personnaly i consider ANY car/truck 4wd if the transfercase contains a 4-lo. This is the defination that 4-wheel and off-road uses in their 4x4 of the year award, seems to make sense.

73' GMC long bed 4x4 1/2ton 350cid SM456/205 trans. Man i miss that truck.

97' Dodge Ram 4x4 short bed 360cid

01' Chevy Blazer 4x4 SLT (i hate it but my wife loves it)

85' Toyota 4x4 built for rock duty. The best of the bunch!!

04' Chevy Silverado 4x4 crew cab short bed 8.1L/Allison combo------- coming soon!!

[Dan]

81 Jeep Renegade
97 Cherokee Country

and about 10 cars in between...

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SUT on order 12/02. 10 months down, 8 to go!
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[DennisAJC]

95 Sahara YJ.....Oh the memories.

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"You have a tawyt body...yesh yesh....tawyt...lawyk a tawyger"
------------------------------------- Yohan Van Der Shmut

[argonaut]

The Hummer is my first 4wd vehicle. I used to be a rear wheel drive only guy. But the 4wd isn't so bad http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[SuperPoser]

'81 power ram, 318, 4sp, 3" suspension lift 32" m/t's
'02 taco, 2.7L, 2.5"suspension lift, soon to be 33" a/t's
'86 runner, 2.4Lturbo, 1-2"suspension lift, 33" a/t's but hella sweet bumpers ;o)
http://community.webshots.com/user/rock789

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

[mabrodis]

'72 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser
'81 Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser (still have)
'00 Toyota Tacoma TRD
'95 Toyota Land Cruiser
'97 Lexus LX450 (Land Cruiser)

'97 Lexus LX450, factory lockers front, center and rear, 35" MTRs, rock sliders...

[Longhorn]

87 Toyota P/U w/ 33s
94 Land Rover D90 w/ Everything imaginable
95 Chevy Z71 P/U
03 Hummer H2

[JJ]

just bought another 4WD
'03 Chevy S10 ZR2

[SuperPoser]

how does the zr2 perform?
I've only seen one offroad,and it didn't do too bad...
the frame just sat a bit low...

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

[JJ]

I only have 4000 miles on it. I did take it elk hunting this year and it did well on the muddy roads and handled the bull elk my son harvested just fine. With the H2 in the stable I don't think I'll do much serious off-roading with the ZR2.

JJ

[Bayou H2]

84 CJ-7
96 Range Rover
00 F-150
03 H2

'03 White H2 Lux Package

[Born again]

'77 F-150
'91 F-250
'87 Pathfinder
'91 Pathfinder
'91 F-250
'97 F-150
'00 Excursion Powerstroke Diesel
'04 H2 (in two more days)

[cmb31078]

H2 is my first 4wd and I am loving every minute of it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Craig

04 Pewter H2- Lux,nav, air suspension

[Pinhead]

1980 F-250
2001 Tacoma
2003 H2
2005 H2

[MountainMan]

65 cj5 bought in 77 sold in 2004
83 toyota truck bought in 83 woreout with 312,000 miles in 98
99 tacoma 4x4 bought 98 sold 2004
2003 H2, bought in 03 wifes grocery getter
2004 Jeep wrangler bought 2004, current trail rig

[MUH_HUM]

My list is way short

78 FJ60 Toyota Land Crusher (coolest)
00 Toyota Tundra (most reliable)
05 Hummer (best looking)
05 Subaru Baja Turbo (Fasted little POS I've ever driven)

Still regret selling the Land Cruiser. Damn it was a cool beast....Still have the Tundra. Damned good Truck. Gotta love those rice burners, made in Indiana.

Oh, and my dad used to race old CJ5's in the Nevada desert back when it was totally low key and not the mega bucks sport it is today.

[blksunblkmoon]

Interesting read, so I am jumping in on an old thread....

73 GMC Jimmy - Full-time 4wd, lifted with 37s
83 Chevy Blazer - 4" lift with 35s
91 GMC Jimmy - 4" lift with 33s
99 Tahoe - 4" lift with 33s on 18" wheel
05 H2 SUT - soon to be lifted

and I still have the 91 Jimmy and the 99 Tahoe http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Rubiconman]

48 or 49 CJ-2 Not shure ... long time ago
58 Willys wagon
67 Bronco
89 Sidekick
04 Rubi
Most everything else I have owned has either been muscle cars and Cycles I won't attempt to make a list, I would be here all night. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[VTSTOMPER]

My first was an 82 Subaru GL wagon! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Rocking hand me down from my parants! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Then I was off to street cars and bikes!

My winter rigs came up to being a 87 Wrangler, 87 S-10, and then went on to cars again, only to move onto a 00 Jetta GLX, then a 02 GMC Z-71, 03 Tacome Double cab, and now the H2! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DRTYFN]

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