Penn. Teen Allegedly Kidnapped at Gunpoint. Parents DEAD

[VTSTOMPER]

Parents found murdered:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175438,00.html

[VTSTOMPER]

Parents found murdered:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175438,00.html

[HummerNewbie]

Indiana State Police just captured him and the girl was unharmed.

[DRTYFN]

I just saw her picture. I'll bet she was an accomplice. Anybody wanna put $ on this?

[ShaggyX]

What do you see in her picture that makes you think that she was an accomplice? She looks like a normal 14 yr old to me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[ROX]

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[ShaggyX]

So can someone give me the clift notes version of what happened? I am too lazy to read it all on my own. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[BlueTJCO]

parents didn't want their daughter (age 14) seeing the suspect (age 18) because of the age diff.

Young man came to the house and got in a argument with the parents. After about an hour of arguing the kid pulled out a pistol, shot the father, shot the mother, and was heard looking for the 14 year old (his girlfriend) found her, and they left.

[ROX]

2 people murdered in home (parents)
1 daughter missing-presumed kidnapped
1 boyfriend missing

1 boyfriend + 1 daughter found in Indianapolis this morning = FISHY

[ShaggyX]

Sweet...thanks Ryan. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Does seem a little suspicious.

[BlueTJCO]

the two were "seen" in subway together and ordering a sandwich.

She had plenty of opportunities to get away or be "noticed" had she wanted too. They traveled 600 miles away from the murder scene which means they had to fill up on gas twice. Yep, she had something to do with it IMO...

[h2co-pilot]

Obviously suspicious. Poor girl, I know she wasn't kidnapped. I hate watching teens make mistakes like that.

I hope the cops can decipher whatever story they came up with together in the car. They aren't the sharpest tacks on the board, keeping that car and all, so I assume it will be pretty easy.

I feel awful for the other children that were there.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
So Rocks, how long have you been waiting to post that gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just found it! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif One of many many many google searches that didn't take hours and hours and hours.
images.google.com
little fishy http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ShaggyX]

Give them both the chair.

That is all.

[BlueTJCO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
Give them both the chair.

That is all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YEP! They know better at 14..... I wished my parents "dead" many times when younger http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif but knew better then to act on it or actually even think it. It's one thing to think "god I wish they were dead" because our parents are protecting us and not letting us do something.......another to act on it....sick ****s!!! Hang em http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Poor girl..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you just AUTOMATICALLY assumed it was the guys fault huh...how do you know she's not some seductress with magical powers??!! HUH!!!?

Shttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhm, I am a connoissuer when it comes to dating older boys and it is always their fault. Regardless of seductual powers.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Orbital H2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
Give them both the chair.

That is all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
what happened to the good old fashioned firing squad?

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Poor girl..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So you just AUTOMATICALLY assumed it was the guys fault huh...how do you know she's not some seductress with magical powers??!! HUH!!!?

Shttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhm, I am a connoissuer when it comes to dating older boys and it is always their fault. Regardless of seductual powers.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They'd do anything for pussy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif nuff said. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[BlueTJCO]

they reserve that for immigrants with wallets......

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
They'd do anything for pussy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif nuff said. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ShaggyX]

True, but if you could give them the chair (or better yet...hang them) without the ability to have an appeal...that would be cheaper. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
They'd do anything for pussy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif nuff said. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So.

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
They'd do anything for pussy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif nuff said. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sew. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
What do you see in her picture that makes you think that she was an accomplice? She looks like a normal 14 yr old to me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet 12 year old girls can make you do or say anything. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[H2Blondie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I think life without the chance of parole would be harder on a teenager than death personally. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The attorneys will probably argue that the shooting was provoked and therefore self defense. Being a juvenile, she will only get a slap on the wrist and a couple of years. He then will be back out on the streets with her all too soon.

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Blondie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I think life without the chance of parole would be harder on a teenager than death personally. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The attorneys will probably argue that the shooting was provoked and therefore self defense. Being a juvenile, she will only get a slap on the wrist and a couple of years. He then will be back out on the streets with her all too soon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

She would be tried as an adult automatically in PA if she is charged with conspiracy.

It will be hard to claim self defense in a double homicide and the fact that he brought the gun to the house from his own.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

[jkH1+H2=H3]

This is normal in Pa. Law is like having No Teeth. or BUCK Teeth tha as.

[Hummertech]

I say they tell him he will be put to death the same way he killed those people, a gunshot to the head, and then every morning go to his cell, and put a gun to his head and watch him have a mental breakdown. Do this every day for a month until he either can't breakdown anymore, or until he gets used to it, then pull the trigger for real. Then I say we kick Al Gore in the nuts. Then we nuke Iran. Then we start taking all of the illegal aliens we catch in this country, and instead of throwing them accross the border so they can just come back again, we throw them across the border, of Antartica. I'm sorry.
Just venting some frustrations here.

[ssgharkness020147]

On average its around 45K a year to house an inmate. That kid is only 18, he's gonna be around for a long long time yet. I'm with shag: take him out to a tall tree with a short peice of rope.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
I think life without the chance of parole would be harder on a teenager than death personally. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ssgharkness020147]

Shaggy, what the hell? Arent you a liberal? Liberals are not supposed to be for capitol punishment. It must be the conservative in you thats just begging to come out.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
True, but if you could give them the chair (or better yet...hang them) without the ability to have an appeal...that would be cheaper. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Spike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Shaggy, what the hell? Arent you a liberal? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He is only a liberal when he is stoned!!

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Shaggy, what the hell? Arent you a liberal? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He is only a liberal when he is stoned!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spike:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Shaggy, what the hell? Arent you a liberal? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He is only a liberal when he is stoned!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He has made his choices in life http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Spike]

After a couple of days of jones'n for reefer, some one gets murdered, Shaggy is all for the death penalty! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

When he is stoned, you could kill HIM and he wouldn't care!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[HummerNewbie]

Police just seized 54 guns from Ludwig's house.

[Sewie]

Prosecutors Say Pa. Girl Wasn't Kidnapped

By MARK SCOLFORO, Associated Press Writer




A 14-year-old girl whose 18-year-old boyfriend is accused of killing her parents left with him willingly after the slayings, prosecutors said in court papers filed Monday.

David Ludwig told detectives Kara Borden ran from her home and into his car after he shot her parents Nov. 13, and Borden said she went with him of her own free will, according to documents filed by Lancaster County prosecutors. They said kidnapping charges against Ludwig would be dropped.

Ludwig confessed to the killings, saying he shot the parents after the father told him to stop seeing his daughter, according to the filing. Ludwig said he shot Michael Borden in the back as he was going down the hallway to the front door and then headed toward Cathryn Borden.

"I shot mom as she was sitting in the chair," Ludwig was quoted as saying. "It was an intentional murder, I intended to shoot them, and I did."

Ludwig told detectives that after the killings, he couldn't find Kara Borden. He said he started to drive away and saw her running down the road toward him.

She got in the car and said she wanted to "get as far away as possible, get married, and start a new life," Ludwig told detectives.

District Attorney Donald Totaro said the kidnapping charge against Ludwig, of Lititz, will be dropped at his preliminary hearing next month.

Robert Beyer, an attorney representing Kara Borden, said he was not upset by the news that the kidnapping charge would be dropped.

Investigators have said they are treating Kara Borden as a crime victim but that the investigation is continuing.

Police caught up to Ludwig and Borden the day after the killings following a chase that ended with him crashing his parents' car into a tree in Belleville, Ind.

Earlier Monday, Indiana authorities released a search warrant affidavit for the car the couple drove nearly 600 miles from the murder scene in central Pennsylvania to Indiana.

Ludwig told Indiana State Police that a Glock semiautomatic pistol he used to kill the Bordens was under the driver's front seat of the car, according to the affidavit.

Police seized a .40-caliber Glock pistol and a .223-caliber rifle under a search warrant executed Wednesday.

Ludwig is being held without bail, awaiting a Dec. 16 preliminary hearing on murder charges.

In a signed statement he gave to Pennsylvania authorities, Ludwig said he went to the Borden home armed with several weapons. After Kara's father and Ludwig talked for 30 to 45 minutes, Michael Borden told the teen he could no longer see Kara.

"Ludwig said that's why he decided to shoot her dad and her mom," detectives said in the court papers.

James Gratton, a public defender representing Ludwig, said he was aware that Ludwig had given a statement to Indiana authorities, but did not know specifically what he told them.

In a court filing Friday, Ludwig's attorneys said they wanted investigators to preserve evidence in Ludwig's wallet, such as receipts from their journey, so that surveillance video could be obtained. They said the video would show he didn't kidnap the girl.