IF YOU DRIVE AN FJ YOU MIGHT BE A SISSY

[DRTYFN]

I guess they ban at the slightest whiff of differing thought.:rolleyes:
Now it's on. :D
Their sissy Admin, JayC(Uhm... that's not a fruity hip-hop wigger wannabe screen name:rolleyes:) is a delicate little flower. Even after trying to explain that I wasn't trolling them that puss banned my V2.0. What a turd.

[ShaggyX]

Oh sh1t...here we go.:rolleyes:

[DRTYFN]

Oh sh1t...here we go.:rolleyes:

Using their sissy admin's logic you have no business here. Bye. :rolleyes:

They have no idea what they're in for.

[ShaggyX]

Drty...dont make it personal. Just because the Admin is a jack ass...doesn't mean you have to fcuk with them. Just let it go for once. :rolleyes:

[DRTYFN]

BZZZZZZZZBZZZZZZZZZZBZZZZZZZZZZZZZBZZZZZBZZBZZBZZZ ZBZZZZ

Do you guys hear that buzzing?

[h2co-pilot]

Nope, not over the song in my head....you spin me right round baby- right round.....:D

[NEOCON1]

Do you guys hear that buzzing?

just static ;)

[DDWH]

just static ;)

must have been a nat ;)

[DDWH]

I guess they ban at the slightest whiff of differing thought.:rolleyes:
Now it's on. :D
Their sissy Admin, JayC(Uhm... that's not a fruity hip-hop wigger wannabe screen name:rolleyes:) is a delicate little flower. Even after trying to explain that I wasn't trolling them that puss banned my V2.0. What a turd.

DRTYFN V2.0 (http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/member.php?u=3010) vbmenu_register("postmenu_88404", true);
Banned

Probably MissFJ?

[wilfred]

Hey, I stayed away from all the other FJ threads because my opinion might be a tiny little biased:D but calling me a sissy is just wrong:mad: I am not a sissy! am not am not am not ...

[DRTYFN]

Nope, not over the song in my head....you spin me right round baby- right round.....:D


Let's not forget the sacred bomb.:D

[MajorGeek]

I dont pay attention to any of it. I dont care for the FJ look myself, but Toyota is nothing to mock quality wise and never has been.

I bought the Hummer because I like the way it looks and I thought going off road, or where most vehicles can't, would be fun.

Of course having own some hot rods and watching kiddies argue over a stupid nameplate helped me to get this way. This idiotic mentality even applies to some Hummer owners. H1's laugh at H2's, laugh at H3's and so on. Guess that makes your penis bigger then mine. I buy and drive what I want, and respect, or at worst dont care, what others drive. Off road, I would be thrilled to hang with anyone, FJ, Jeep, I dont care.

Owning a Viper, I was recently invited to meet up with the local Corvette club at a cruise in who invited me and wanted to see the Viper. Will I go? Hell yeah, I like Vettes or any cool muscle car. Thats how we should all be rolling.

[Aubs]

I doubt any FJ owner has a backbone. I mean, they probably refused to buy a Hummer because they didn't want to take the hippies being angry with them. Or they're addicted to Consumer Reports, and get their kicks on reading about how 'reliable' their vehicles are. :rolleyes: Every FJ I see stares at my H2. I think they're jealous, and probably are pondering, "I wonder how I can get a straight guy to sleep with me?";)

[Lucifer]

HONK!!!:D

[31_bandits]

I dont pay attention to any of it. I dont care for the FJ look myself, but Toyota is nothing to mock quality wise and never has been.

I bought the Hummer because I like the way it looks and I thought going off road, or where most vehicles can't, would be fun.

Of course having own some hot rods and watching kiddies argue over a stupid nameplate helped me to get this way. This idiotic mentality even applies to some Hummer owners. H1's laugh at H2's, laugh at H3's and so on. Guess that makes your penis bigger then mine. I buy and drive what I want, and respect, or at worst dont care, what others drive. Off road, I would be thrilled to hang with anyone, FJ, Jeep, I dont care.

Owning a Viper, I was recently invited to meet up with the local Corvette club at a cruise in who invited me and wanted to see the Viper. Will I go? Hell yeah, I like Vettes or any cool muscle car. Thats how we should all be rolling.

that was nicely put.

do H2 drivers talk down to H3s? that would be too bad. I think the H1 "real hummer" thing is a shame.

I do think there is minimal question that the H3 is a better offroad machine than the FJ, and its clearly a higher-end vehicle inside. And considering that this is a hummer forum, i think a rational retort to FJ trolls is probably in order.

But its late and i risk rambling. I think all these different 4wd machines are fascinating, and its fun to put them side by side & do a little cmoparison.

[MajorGeek]

Again, from personal experience from a friend who owned 3 Hummer 1's. He laughed at H2's and used to complain when they waved to him because they were not in a real Hummer. He has sold his, not liking where the brand went. Of course, with such low sales, the brand is going where it needs to. I have had H3 drivers wave to me, but you could try your own test and wave to some H2 drivers to see what happens. Of course, I dont need to tell you his response to my buying a H3 :) For me, I would have bought an H2, but 2 things stopped me. First, the dealer totally ignored me as I got in, climbed under and looked the H2 over for a good 15 minutes. No other customers in site, a good 5 salesman sitting by the window at their desks eating lunch. The other is the size, I like to keep my truck clean and fit it in a garage :) But, you can pass this same argument onto Corvette Vs. Viper and countless other comparisions. A big swing factor for me is the appeal of the car. I'll take a hit in some form as far as performance if I have the car or truck I want.

Anyhow, im with you, I just dont get the whole disrespect of a brand name solely. Watching people argue on the internet has always been a pet peeve of mine, it turns any discussion thread into an unreadable spam fest.

[Aubs]

See, I wave at all Hummers, be it an H1, H2, or H3. Only about half wave back, including some black guy yesterday in a superior blue who looked like he didn't quite understand why I was waving at him... :rolleyes:

I think they're all good, and those who talk down about the other models that are less expensive are just jealous because they paid so much for theirs, and now it's not as special because one half that price will do just as well off-road. So I think H1 owners have a stick up their butts sometimes. If I had an H1, I'd be waving at everyone, and I'd still love all the other models. They're all awesome. I think the original H1's just drew in (somewhat) kind of a cocky/insecure/macho crowd, and their attitudes are quite apparent. Some H1 guys are really cool though. But I do wave at H3's, and most ignore ME! :eek: :mad: :(

[BlueTJCO]

You guys are all of a bunch of ****ing sissies!!!:o

[DRTYFN]

You guys are all of a bunch of ****ing sissies!!!:o

YEAH!!! What he said!!! RAAARRR!!!!!:D

[31_bandits]

You guys are all of a bunch of ****ing sissies!!!:o

i am a sissy, i've made peace with it.

we are all sissies. a real man would run the rubicon in a coupe deville

[blindzebra]

i wave. It's ok if some people dont understand. Anyone ever seen the last of the Mohicans? "They are a breed apart and make no sense, do not try to understand them, and do not try to make them understand you."

[NEOCON1]

I wave too :D most other slumers wave back :cool: maybe 1 in 3 or 4 for the h2's :p their too cool ;) most H1's wave :D and chuckle

[DTHVLY]

I guess they ban at the slightest whiff of differing thought.:rolleyes:
Now it's on. :D
Their sissy Admin, JayC(Uhm... that's not a fruity hip-hop wigger wannabe screen name:rolleyes:) is a delicate little flower. Even after trying to explain that I wasn't trolling them that puss banned my V2.0. What a turd.

I don?t know what the post said but I don?t agree with them deleting your post just because they don?t like what you were saying although it?s probably best that all those new FJ owners are free to enjoy their vehicles and spared the hatred and hostility that has built up as a result of the Hummer being the whipping post of the off-road community for the last three years.
The FJ has 50+ years of Toyota off-road heritage to rely on and it falls into the already well established Land Cruiser community so they won?t have to deal with all the shiat that all you guys have to deal with, and even though the FJ is the NKOTB the Hummer will continue to be the target of hostility from the off-road community and even worse the enviro-nazi?s. :mad:

[PARAGON]

I don?t know what the post said but I don?t agree with them deleting your post just because they don?t like what you were saying although it?s probably best that all those new FJ owners are free to enjoy their vehicles and spared the hatred and hostility that has built up as a result of the Hummer being the whipping post of the off-road community for the last three years.
The FJ has 50+ years of Toyota off-road heritage to rely on and it falls into the already well established Land Cruiser community so they won?t have to deal with all the shiat that all you guys have to deal with, and even though the FJ is the NKOTB the Hummer will continue to be the target of hostility from the off-road community and even worse the enviro-nazi?s. :mad:hahahahaahahahahahahhaha

That's rich!

If you draw that comparison, the H2 and H3 have a combined 212 years of off-road heritage to rely on.

You idiot, the H2s and H3s got bashed by ignorant e-wheelers like you because they supposedly weren't "real Hummers" because they supposedly didn't share their heritage with the "real Hummer."

The H1 has never been the target of hostility from the off-road community, but F>ck Jobs and Land Bruisers have in their years past and different times. Just exactly how much sh!t do you plan to shovel here? Please advises us so we can decide whether we can wear rubber boots or waders to make it through your load of sh!t.

[hmrlvr]

I guess they ban at the slightest whiff of differing thought.:rolleyes:
Now it's on. :D
Their sissy Admin, JayC(Uhm... that's not a fruity hip-hop wigger wannabe screen name:rolleyes:) is a delicate little flower. Even after trying to explain that I wasn't trolling them that puss banned my V2.0. What a turd.
Yea, they banned me for saying the FJ was ugly. No big deal, just my opinion. I said nothing about the performance or anything else:rolleyes:

[NEOCON1]

look at all the crap thats said about us , and we dont delete it :D :cool:

[DTHVLY]

hahahahaahahahahahahhaha

That's rich!

If you draw that comparison, the H2 and H3 have a combined 212 years of off-road heritage to rely on.

You idiot, the H2s and H3s got bashed by ignorant e-wheelers like you because they supposedly weren't "real Hummers" because they supposedly didn't share their heritage with the "real Hummer."

The H1 has never been the target of hostility from the off-road community, but F>ck Jobs and Land Bruisers have in their years past and different times. Just exactly how much sh!t do you plan to shovel here? Please advises us so we can decide whether we can wear rubber boots or waders to make it through your load of sh!t.

You're the perfect example, thanks for proving my point.

[31_bandits]

Watching people argue on the internet has always been a pet peeve of mine, it turns any discussion thread into an unreadable spam fest.

well, reading how bad my H2 is offroad, via the magical vehicle of people that can't write very well and have probably often never even sat in one, has been one of my primary sources of entertainment since buying it.

But i agree with the live and let live philosophy. At the same time, i'd be a liiiiiar if i said i didn't chuckle with a certain amount of kindergarten glee at that DennisAJC/AlecW/et al video. To some extent the higher ground is virtuous, and to some extent fair is fair, and i really dig what those guys & the guys at ******* and the rest of you guys do with your trucks.

the "real hummer" H1 thing that seems to run rampant on another forum i found once isn't good, and may well have contributed to the demise of the H1.

It sure hasn't made me MORE INTERESTED in buying one. Like the jeep-spazzers, it leaves me with the feeling of "man, i don't want to be one of "those guys"

i just wish H3 drivers would wave at me. lol

so H3ers, please wave at H2s even if we are bigger. :D ;) :cool:

[PARAGON]

You're the perfect example, thanks for proving my point.example of what and proving what point?

[hmrlvr]

Yea, they banned me for saying the FJ was ugly. No big deal, just my opinion. I said nothing about the performance or anything else:rolleyes:
Ok, first I was banned for 24 hours, now, according to them, the ban will never be lifted:eek:. Very funny that I just replied to one of their threads and commented that the H3 is a better looking truck:eek: :eek: :eek:

[RIC-H0]

I noticed some strange waving habits in the early days of my H2. For about three months I owned a H1 and H2. When I was driving the H2, I would wave, or raise a hand, at other H2's, nearly all of them would ignore me, some would even quickly look the other way. I would see the same people when driving the H1 and they would very enthusiastically wave at me, some went way overboard.

This does not say anything good for H2 owners, who clearly wanted to be "exclusive Hummer" owners, yet didn't want to acknowledge the piles of other H2's sharing the roads with them.

I tried waving at H3 owners, but they just looked at me trying to figure out why a stranger was waving at them. Nowadays I don't bother waving at anyone, unless someone waves first. Many H2/H3 owners just think of their Hummer as another SUV.
That's funny, 'cause when I wave at Hummer drivers, I get a 1 finger wave back.
I just wanna belong:( :D

[DRTYFN]

Ok, first I was banned for 24 hours, now, according to them, the ban will never be lifted:eek:. Very funny that I just replied to one of their threads and commented that the H3 is a better looking truck:eek: :eek: :eek:


And THAT is precisely why I started this thread - to poke at their sensitive little flowery heads.

FJ owners are crying little bitches.:D

[SnakeH2]

Why all the waving crap??;)

I thought it started with the 'vettes and Harleys...and was hoping it would end there.:cool:

[PARAGON]

the other moderator is advertising with them :confused: :rolleyes:

[DTHVLY]

I like the roofline logo but the only good thing on that site is the Gobi rack all the rest is bling and from what I have read on that board they are more into real offroad mods than bling.

http://www.fjsource.com/fjs-logo.jpg

Two new bumpers in the works from other vendors.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Mods/IMG_3972-3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Mods/IMG_3940-3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Mods/IMG_3941-2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Mods/fjrear-1.jpg

[Aubs]

Two new bumpers in the works from other vendors.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Mods/IMG_3940-3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Mods/IMG_3941-2.jpg


I love the ball-peen hammer on the ground there, suggesting somehow the thing doesn't quite fit right and had to be beat into submission... I still am not sure why you should have to add these things onto a vehicle--they should be standard if they're needed for what the vehicle is advertised to do. I haven't seen any H3's with the Tinman jaw on the front.

[Aubs]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Mods/fjrear-1.jpg

I like the nice clean bead welds, and those silvery things look very heavy duty. Also that hitch should easy accomodate a trailer of any substansial weight without ripping out...

Or maybe that's the place for you to put your member and get pleasure from your loved one.

Well, on second thought, it's much too big for that.

[h2co-pilot]

LMAO! Are those tow hooks for real???

[NEOCON1]

sounds like some serious offroaders :confused: :confused: :rolleyes: :(



will 285's fit ? LMAO wtf ??

[blindzebra]

Has anyone looked at their offroad picture contest? I looked at 8 pages with only 5 offrado pictures. 3 of those were FJs looking at obstacles. There were 19 different copys of the same picture of 2 girls. GODDIZ!!! I'm sorry do they ever wheel their rigs?!?!?!??

[DRTYFN]

I must find this KYer and take him to Brown's Camp. I get video of him wussing out.:D:D

[DRTYFN]

HAHA!!!! Geniuses.:rolleyes:
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4481&page=4
I was "friendly" until their sensitive little turd admin banned me twice for being a "HUmmer troll".

[DRTYFN]

Hates mud??? Toyota drivers are definitely sissies now.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/index.php

[Wisha Haddan H3]

LMAO! Are those tow hooks for real???

They look like folding steps to get to the roof rack.

[DRTYFN]

When the subject of Brown's Camp is mentioned they sure don't dound like they're chomping at the bit to get out there. Definitely sissies.:rolleyes:
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3949

As far as I can see they're ALL ABOUT meeting in parking lots, though.

[h2co-pilot]

They look like folding steps to get to the roof rack.

Yep they do. Prolly are.:o:D

[DTHVLY]

Has anyone looked at their offroad picture contest? I looked at 8 pages with only 5 offrado pictures. 3 of those were FJs looking at obstacles. There were 19 different copys of the same picture of 2 girls. GODDIZ!!! I'm sorry do they ever wheel their rigs?!?!?!??

Here's the pics of they're trip to Moab less than a month after purchase. Yeah it's not really hardcore but more than most would do with a vehicle that was only three weeks old, you've got to admire that. How many here took they're new Hummer to Moab the first month of ownership?


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab9.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab8.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab5.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab6.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab7.jpg

[DTHVLY]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab3.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab0.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab4.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/685b4ca4.jpg

[DTHVLY]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab13.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab14.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab15.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab.jpg

[HummerNewbie]

... How many here took they're new Hummer to Moab the first month of ownership?

I would have if it were closer. Did go to Tellico when it was a month and a couple of days old. Do give them props for going though.

[DTHVLY]

Like I said before, it is nice to see that lady making the rest of the FJ owners look more promising. Fins-N-Things and (I think) Porcupine Rim are not the toughest trails out there, but at least she's wheeling her own junk....not sure about the silver one.

S

Look again, that's three diffrent rigs, one silver and two blue. The girl dousn't have a roof rack, the other blue one has a rack and diffrent wheels.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/Copy20of20DSC01667.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab13.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/FJ%20Moab%2006/fjmoab9.jpg

[Dragon]

Well, just like any forum, there are some people who make sense and there are some people who simply open their mouths to change feet. Is the FJ the ultimate driving machine? Nope. Neither is the Hummer. Neither is the LandRover Defender 90. Neither is the Audi R10 or the Aston Martin DBR9.

It's all about give and take. To gain speed, you lose off road performance. To gain off road performance you lose a good highway ride.

So why do you buy a vehicle? Are you liquid enough to have a ride for every season? Some of you might be, but most of the world is not. What the FJ Cruiser IS, is an "out of the box" vehicle that is very capable off road. It is also very capable on road.

A Hummer gear head or a Jeep gear head or an FJ gear head can modify their vehicles to be Scorpion like, and climb up a cliff face, but then it has only a resemblence to what it was when it was purchased.

To me it is foolish to criticize FJ owners or FJ's. To me it is just as foolish to criticize Hummer owners or Hummers. I think what we can all agree on, is that someone who buys an offroad vehicle just to look cool going to the golf course is nothing but a poser. But this is 2006, and if someone wishes to be a poser it is their right as well.

What the world needs less of is criticism and condescending remarks. In the famous words of Mr King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

I don't like Hummers. But I will die for your right to buy them and enjoy them. I like FJ Cruisers. Toyota has been good to me. I hope you would respect my right to do so.

Take a long look at that FJ forum and the offroad knowledge flowing there. There are the noobs and the trolls there, just as there are here, but there is also an incredible contingent of those who love the outdoors and want to enjoy it in a vehicle that takes them to it. I think there are some of those here as well.

Rant over.
Peace

[BlueTJCO]

I think anyone that drives a H2 or Hummer for that matter is a pussy. And anyone that drives a Toyota is a pussy. Actually, everyone other then myself that posts on this forum is just a poser pussy...:)

[DRTYFN]

I think anyone that drives a H2 or Hummer for that matter is a pussy. And anyone that drives a Toyota is a pussy. Actually, everyone other then myself that posts on this forum is just a poser pussy...:)
Anal/foot fetishist.

[HummerNewbie]

Well, just like any forum, there are some people who make sense and there are some people who simply open their mouths to change feet. Is the FJ the ultimate driving machine? Nope. Neither is the Hummer. Neither is the LandRover Defender 90. Neither is the Audi R10 or the Aston Martin DBR9.

Not sure any here said that Hummers were the ultimate driving machine but you are correct, none of them are. Unfortunately there are too many blindly brand loyal people out there that can't see anything for what it is worth other than what they drive.

To me it is foolish to criticize FJ owners or FJ's. To me it is just as foolish to criticize Hummer owners or Hummers. I think what we can all agree on, is that someone who buys an offroad vehicle just to look cool going to the golf course is nothing but a poser. But this is 2006, and if someone wishes to be a poser it is their right as well.

I would say that most of the members on this forum would love to wheel with an FJ just to see what it can do. Hell, I just want someone to go wheeling with so bring on the FJs! I would also say that most here, myself included, do not like the looks of the FJ. Not that it matters if we like it's looks or not because we bought Hummers. The only person's opinion that really matters regarding what you drive is you. I have a buddy that bought one and I give him a hard time but it is just good natured ribbing. Now I did drive my Hummer to the golf course yesterday but I won't take offense to your comment because that is not why I bought it :D

What the world needs less of is criticism and condescending remarks. In the famous words of Mr King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

I agree but you also need to spread this wisdom to the FJ forum. I have not posted over there but I see plenty of Hummer bashing going on over there and it was not in response to trolls.

I don't like Hummers.

And I don't like FJs but to each their own.
BTW, lets see some wheeling pics. We all love those :cool:

[BlueTJCO]

but I love my Jeep:o

[Ipedog]

but I love my Jeep:o

Ummm YUK!

[usetosellhummer]

please don't no please don't

[PARAGON]

Well, just like any forum, there are some people who make sense and there are some people who simply open their mouths to change feet. Is the FJ the ultimate driving machine? Nope. Neither is the Hummer. Neither is the LandRover Defender 90. Neither is the Audi R10 or the Aston Martin DBR9.

It's all about give and take. To gain speed, you lose off road performance. To gain off road performance you lose a good highway ride.

So why do you buy a vehicle? Are you liquid enough to have a ride for every season? Some of you might be, but most of the world is not. What the FJ Cruiser IS, is an "out of the box" vehicle that is very capable off road. It is also very capable on road.

A Hummer gear head or a Jeep gear head or an FJ gear head can modify their vehicles to be Scorpion like, and climb up a cliff face, but then it has only a resemblence to what it was when it was purchased.

To me it is foolish to criticize FJ owners or FJ's. To me it is just as foolish to criticize Hummer owners or Hummers. I think what we can all agree on, is that someone who buys an offroad vehicle just to look cool going to the golf course is nothing but a poser. But this is 2006, and if someone wishes to be a poser it is their right as well.

What the world needs less of is criticism and condescending remarks. In the famous words of Mr King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

I don't like Hummers. But I will die for your right to buy them and enjoy them. I like FJ Cruisers. Toyota has been good to me. I hope you would respect my right to do so.

Take a long look at that FJ forum and the offroad knowledge flowing there. There are the noobs and the trolls there, just as there are here, but there is also an incredible contingent of those who love the outdoors and want to enjoy it in a vehicle that takes them to it. I think there are some of those here as well.

Rant over.
PeaceOh just shut the fck up and smoke a joint. If you want to go rub dicks with your fck job lovebuddies, by all means, do so. Don't "arrive" in a thread using your first post as some condescending commentary about how you discredit the condescension that has been flung toward your sacred sh!tmobile.

If anyone has any right to talk about another vehicle, it is us, the Hummer owners. We certainly have the prerogative to do so within the confines of a forum geared toward our own vehicle. Now as to why the FJ is sorely discussed here it is because one of your brethren has attempted to shove it down our collective throats as something it can only dream of being in it's Initials Heyday. It was strategically saddled with the term "Cruiser" for a very specific reason and that's because it does not share the heritage of it's Initialed namesake. Which is in stark contrast to what dumbvalley has lied and ignorantly attempted to convey here.

So, here "dragon" punk moves in with some olive branch piece offering that smacks of the BS that dickvalley has endeavored to shovel since the announcement that the little blue pimple-mobile was growing it's anal warts.

[PARAGON]

You could say the same about a Hummer H2 or H3 ;)No I couldn't

[NEOCON1]

sacred sh!tmobile

LMFAO , i busted up when i read that :D LOL , good one

[The Green Lantern]

how do you like my new ride!! :D Moab here I come......

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/thegreenlanternh3/H3/fj.jpg

[Dragon]

...and Paragon proves my point. Thank You!! Would you like a bit of Tobasco to go with those feet of yours?

[DTHVLY]

It was strategically saddled with the term "Cruiser" for a very specific reason and that's because it does not share the heritage of it's Initialed namesake. Which is in stark contrast to what dumbvalley has lied and ignorantly attempted to convey here.

The FJ Cruiser has a lot more in common with the FJ40 than the H2/H3 has in common with the HMMWV/H1. The only similarities between the H2/H3 and the HMMWV/H1 are they begin with the letter H, beyond that they have absolutely zero in common, they aren?t even made by the same company so in essence by your logic the H2/H3 are the ultimate phony, poser, wannabe rip-off vehicles out there.:(

[blindzebra]

ummm, doesn't the sticker on the jam of your 2 say assembled by AM General?

[DDWH]

The FJ Cruiser has a lot more in common with the FJ40 than the H2/H3 has in common with the HMMWV/H1. The only similarities between the H2/H3 and the HMMWV/H1 are they begin with the letter H, beyond that they have absolutely zero in common, they aren?t even made by the same company so in essence by your logic the H2/H3 are the ultimate phony, poser, wannabe rip-off vehicles out there.:(

Still a clueless troll I see.........

[NEOCON1]

heres a stuck one :p

[PARAGON]

The FJ Cruiser has a lot more in common with the FJ40 than the H2/H3 has in common with the HMMWV/H1. The only similarities between the H2/H3 and the HMMWV/H1 are they begin with the letter H, beyond that they have absolutely zero in common, they aren?t even made by the same company so in essence by your logic the H2/H3 are the ultimate phony, poser, wannabe rip-off vehicles out there.:(Ok Dennis, now it's just not fun any more. That was just silly.

[NEOCON1]

Ok Dennis, now it's just not fun any more. That was just silly.



did some dude north of the border join a canadian KY club ????????? ;) :D

[DTHVLY]

You really are clueless aren't you?

Apart from some design cues, there is no similarity between an FJC and a real FJ.

The HMMVW and H2 are made by the same American company, AM General.

I think you should just give up on your FJC sales pitch and go whence you came.

Yes the H2 plant is located on the AM General complex in Indiana so technically it is made by AMG but make no mistake it?s a GM owned vehicle built with GM parts by GM trained employees.

The FJ doesn?t share any parts with the FJ40 after all the last time the 40 was produced was over 20 years ago but at least they are both conventional vehicles that have a steel body and a drive train under the body with at least one solid axle. The HMMWV/H1 is by no means a conventional vehicle it has an aluminum body, a drive train tucked into the cabin, and a fully independent suspension with geared hubs. The H2 has more in common with the FJ than it has with the H1.

[NEOCON1]

atleast its not named FAKE JEEP :p does anyone wheel them besides this same sponsered vehicle you keep posting . i can get a pic of robby gordons race h3 from paris-dakkar and spew the same idiotic bs . you go now and suck some koc :eek: :p :p :p

[NEOCON1]

hey a$$-bite lets play , show me your sponsered truck doin this sh1t head :p :p

[NEOCON1]

or blasting the whole top of a dune off TGL style like this :p :p

[NEOCON1]

anytime you want to put your best sponsered truck up against ours :p :p :p


but we still saw a bunch of stuck ky's in pismo maybe they were the stupid 2x2 's like you own :eek:

[DTHVLY]

anytime you want to put your best sponsered truck up against ours :p :p :p


but we still saw a bunch of stuck ky's in pismo maybe they were the stupid 2x2 's like you own :eek:

I know you don?t know much about off-road racing but don?t believe for a second that the truck Robby Gordon raced in Dakar was an H3. It was a modified Baja trophy truck with an aluminum body and an H3 grill on the front.

That truck from Dakar cost $1 million+ the Revtek FJ can be had for less then $30K. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Does this look anything like the inside of your H3?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/Peter_Brock_Dakar_06_094.jpg

[HIHUMMER]

That is EXACTLY what mine looks like.;) :p

[NEOCON1]

yea a$$ pipe just like your pix are what toyota dealers are selling :rolleyes:


KY , still 2 wheel drive mall runner no matter how you dress it up :p

[The Green Lantern]

or blasting the whole top of a dune off TGL style like this :p :p

That's right!!...tell them Neo!!




I know you don?t know much about off-road racing but don?t believe for a second that the truck Robby Gordon raced in Dakar was an H3. It was a modified Baja trophy truck with an aluminum body and an H3 grill on the front.

That truck from Dakar cost $1 million+ the Revtek FJ can be had for less then $30K. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Does this look anything like the inside of your H3?


here's what it look like! -

[HummerNewbie]

I know you don?t know much about off-road racing but don?t believe for a second that the truck Robby Gordon raced in Dakar was an H3. It was a modified Baja trophy truck with an aluminum body and an H3 grill on the front.

That truck from Dakar cost $1 million+ the Revtek FJ can be had for less then $30K. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Does this look anything like the inside of your H3?

OMFG, are you that freaking stupid that you didn't see the sarcasm and thought he really believed Gordon's race truck was a stock H3 :rolleyes:

Of course, here we go again with the price. So if I understand you correctly you are saying that the cheaper it is, the better an off road vehicle it is? Are you also some how trying to make a point when saying Gordon's race truck was $1m+ and in the same sentence mention the Revtek FJ is > $30K? In your diluted mind do you truly think these to vehicles are in some remote way comparable? :rolleyes:

[Sewie]

the Revtek FJ can be had for less then $30K.

In what fukkin world? :confused: :rolleyes:

[DDWH]

In what fukkin world? :confused: :rolleyes:

X2..No Doubt, looks like th KY anus has come unhinged from reality:eek:

[Aubs]

Of course, the vehicles Rod Hall uses are awesome, yet are basically stock with slight modifications.

[DTHVLY]

In what fukkin world? :confused: :rolleyes:

FJC 4x4 manual, upgrade package - $25,000
-Revtek lift - $600
-Bumper - $1000
-Winch - $1000
-Sliders - $400
-Wheels - $700
-Tires - $1000

Total ? $29,700

You guys eating crow - priceless

BTW - All prices rounded up

[Sewie]

FJC 4x4 manual, upgrade package - $25,000
-Revtek lift - $600
-Bumper - $1000
-Winch - $1000
-Sliders - $400
-Wheels - $700
-Tires - $1000

Total ? $29,700

You guys eating crow - not happening

BTW - All prices made up

fissed :rolleyes:

[PARAGON]

FJC 4x4 manual, upgrade package - $25,000
-Revtek lift - $600
-Bumper - $1000
-Winch - $1000
-Sliders - $400
-Wheels - $700
-Tires - $1000

Total ? $29,700

You guys eating crow - priceless

BTW - All prices rounded upoopsie! So sorry for your stupidity!

You can't upgrade without getting the extra package! Which probably puts you at closer to $27,000 starting price before you add the items you low-balled the prices on.

[PARAGON]

FJC 4x4 manual, upgrade package - $25,000


You guys eating crow - priceless

BTW - All prices rounded upCrow?

[KenP]

Has anyone seen and FJ run DAKAR?:rolleyes:

I wonder what IT will look like...

How can that "Suspension Lift" be called that? It just uses spacers.:rolleyes:

[NEOCON1]

saw a lifted one today looked like he only had a 31" tire and they looked really skinny :p :p
i still say get the 2x4 it really is lame :p

[The Green Lantern]

I thought this thread is dead!!!

[DDWH]

I thought this thread is dead!!!

X2.....guess the bish is back from his rainbow disney cruise;)

[NEOCON1]

X2.....guess the bish is back from his rainbow disney cruise;)

LMFAO :p he just wont give up

[DTHVLY]

Crow?

You?re pricing an automatic with the highest option package available which has no relevance to off-road ability, considering you can order the locker as a stand alone option and you can get the A-trac from TRD Source and install it yourself. Maybe you don?t know how to drive a manual so I?ll use an automatic and throw in the convenience package to make you happy.

FJC 4x4 V6 Automatic ? $23,300
-Convenience package - $1,840
-Rear locker (option combo B) - $340
-Atrac - $43.19

Since there are no prices available yet for the LCNW bumper and sliders I?ll use the prices for The All-Pro?s which are by far the best available for the FJ.

-Bumper - $799
-Sliders - $349
-Revtek 3? Lift ? $512.48
-Warn 9.5ti Winch ? $1,099.99
-5 M/T 17? Classic Lock Wheels and 5 M/T 35? Baja Claw Tires ? $1679.99

Total - $29,963.65

If you don?t believe those prices then look them up your God Dam self, because I?m tired of explaining **** to you son!

A-trac - http://www.trdsource.com/toyota.asp (http://www.trdsource.com/toyota.asp)
Revtek lift - http://www.central4wd.com/default.aspx (http://www.central4wd.com/default.aspx)
Bumper and sliders - http://allprooffroad.com/ (http://allprooffroad.com/)
Warn Winch - http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/index.asp (http://www.4wheelparts.com/4wp/index.asp)
Wheels and tires - http://www.desertrat.com/index.htm (http://www.desertrat.com/index.htm)

[KenP]

Actually, I've seen the RevTec body lift for $509.:rolleyes:

If you're tired of explaining things, leave.:rolleyes:

[PARAGON]

You?re pricing an automatic with the highest option package available which has no relevance to off-road abilityYou fall a lot don't you? Sometimes you hit your head?

Where exactly does it say automatic?

Let me refresh the memory that helps occupy the limited brain capacity that you so expressly demonstrate.

You stated:FJC 4x4 manual, upgrade package - $25,000 Now, being the practical person I am, It made sense to utilize a like comparison to what you typed out.

Hence the whole point of me posted the screen shot that says I was pricing out a 4x4 with manual tranny and when I tried to add the upgrade package (PER YOUR STUPID FCKING SUGGESTION), I can't add it w/o adding the convenience package.

Here, get your mommy to explain what all this means:

[PARAGON]

-Bumper - $799 Sorry, you stated it was $1000
-Sliders - $349
-Revtek 3? Lift ? $512.48
-Warn 9.5ti Winch ? $1,099.99
-5 M/T 17? Classic Lock Wheels and 5 M/T 35? Baja Claw Tires ? $1679.99

Total - $29,963.65 Actual total is then $30,164.35

If you don?t believe those prices then quit fcking typing them inIn the future, kindly proofread your posts before assaulting unsuspecting readers of this board with a litany of BS, egregious lies, and other verbal atrocities.

[The Green Lantern]

HA HA HA HA!!!

[usetosellhummer]

KY Crusiers, George Michael is going to be working on the new ad campagin. Something aobut gey sex in the front seat and a nice ride.

[DRTYFN]

HA HA HA HA!!!
:D :D :D

[DTHVLY]

I like the FJC, but DthVly really lowers the standard for ownership and I'm sure puts a lot of people off the vehicle. His one sided hero worship of the FJC is what I'd expect of an 11 yr old, not an adult. Give it up already, no one here is interested...

Hero worship of the FJ? Please! I?ve driven Chevy?s my whole life and in 2008 I?ll be buying a new Camaro. I don't have blind brand loyalty, I can accept that Chevy makes the best muscle cars and Toyota makes the best 4x4's.

Ask yourself this, what do people who have blind brand loyalty and hero worship of a vehicle do? They have no legitimate argument why there vehicle is better than others so they try to discredit other vehicles by making up gay names like KY cruiser and claim that guys who drive those vehicles are gay.

Unlike those people I have never claimed that Hummer owners are gay or made up gay names for them, in fact I have said more than once that the H3 is a great out of the box 4x4 and stock for stock probably more capable than the FJ.

So wake up and smell the rose?s sunshine. If you want to find blind brand loyalty and one vehicle hero worship you need look no farther than some of the Hummer owners on this forum who have actually bought in to the BS line ?Hummer like nothing else? and actually believe that IFS Hummers are the end all be all of 4x4?s.

The closest to vehicle worship I?ve come to is the late Dale Earnhardt?s #3 Chevy, so shut your god dam ass up!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y74/yotataco/dale_earnhardt2.jpg

[H3.007]

I pulled my H3 up to a FJ this past weekend and looked at the difference.

I have no doubt I purchased the correct vehicle - and look at the photos of the FJs performing off-road.

I don't think it merits 6 pages of argument... H3 hands down...

[Dan Rather]

Hero worship of the FJ? Please! I?ve driven Chevy?s my whole life and in 2008 I?ll be buying a new Camaro. I don't have blind brand loyalty, I can accept that Chevy makes the best muscle cars and Toyota makes the best 4x4's.

Ask yourself this, what do people who have blind brand loyalty and hero worship of a vehicle do? They have no legitimate argument why there vehicle is better than others so they try to discredit other vehicles by making up gay names like KY cruiser and claim that guys who drive those vehicles are gay.

Unlike those people I have never claimed that Hummer owners are gay or made up gay names for them, in fact I have said more than once that the H3 is a great out of the box 4x4 and stock for stock probably more capable than the FJ.

So wake up and smell the rose?s sunshine. If you want to find blind brand loyalty and one vehicle hero worship you need look no farther than some of the Hummer owners on this forum who have actually bought in to the BS line ?Hummer like nothing else? and actually believe that IFS Hummers are the end all be all of 4x4?s.

The closest to vehicle worship I?ve come to is the late Dale Earnhardt?s #3 Chevy, so shut your god dam ass up!


After noticing your odd grammar, my staff sent your post off to our code-breaking department. Not sure about you, sissy.:OWNED:

[DDWH]

KY Crusiers, George Michael is going to be working on the new ad campagin. Something aobut gey sex in the front seat and a nice ride.

:iagree:

[Alan06SUT]

Lets go pic vs pic for stock FJ vs H2 or H3? Submit from both sides. WEB WHEELING and nitpicking is GHEY. PICS.....

Here are some from Tellico..( the h1 and h3 do have non stock tires..thats it though. H2 bone stock) H2 & H3 are 2006 models.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/Tellico2162Medium.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/Tellico2137Medium.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/Tellico2168Medium.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/Tellico2148Medium.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/Tellico2044.jpg

[NEOCON1]

gotta add this one since the KY only made it half way :jump:

[NEOCON1]

:OWNED:

[NEOCON1]

TATER SALAD = YUMMY :dancingbanana:

[The Riddler]

Man, that is sick!!! ....cool. :jump:

[Alan06SUT]

Where are the KY Crusier Pics.....OH THERE ARE NONE EXCEPT FOR STREET QUEEN DRIVEWAY AND MALL SHOTS! STFU IF YOU GUYS CANT COME UP WITH PICS.:OWNED:

As for the guy who asked about wheeling new trucks, the fisrt one below is when I had about 400 miles on it. Second one about 7000.



http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/hummertrip9-05090Small.jpghttp://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i16/acablik/IMG_0051.jpg

[The ArchiTexan]

Have you guys seen this - http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/general-discussion/12600-pretty-pink.html

They have "PINK" under the hood :giggling:

[DDWH]

:jump::jump::jump::jump: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g115/hjadkinson/sanddunes030.jpg

[The Green Lantern]

OMG.....LOL!! :giggling:

[NEOCON1]

OMG.....LOL!! :giggling:


it has a pink diaphram :OWNED: :p ;)

[PARAGON]

After seeing the admin of FJCruiserForums wheel this weekend I am confident in saying that FJ Cruiser > H3 :(

[lotus4s]

After seeing the admin of FJCruiserForums wheel this weekend I am confident in saying that FJ Cruiser > H3 :(


Care to elaborate?

[PARAGON]

Care to elaborate?

Check out the Sunday thread where I posted a couple of the only pics we took this weekend. The FJ did 2 trails that the only other relatively stock rigs I saw even attempt were a Rubi and me in my H2.

The deal was though that the FJ Trail Team was having the media and whomever drive the FJs without ever hitting the locker button. They wouldn't let them use the lockers, traction control only. With some good spotting by the Trail Team members and good use of the rock rails to make it around some of the bigger rocks.

I'll put it this way. It impressed Jeep guys on 39s and 44s because it followed them on a couple of hard trails.

[PARAGON]

Some additional photos from the weekend are starting to trickle in. Here are some more.

http://static.flickr.com/104/270895039_cd9794d59c_b.jpg

[PARAGON]

http://static.flickr.com/80/270892647_0f264ef819_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/92/270894791_2b224480aa_b.jpg

[blindzebra]

ummmm, yeah. I'll take my 3. My after market jet pack would lift me right over that little pebble.

[The Green Lantern]

What happened to the plastic front bumper? hmmmm......

[NEOCON1]

What happened to the plastic front bumper? hmmmm......

stock form , after tearing that $hit off :OWNED: LOL

[The Green Lantern]

What happened to the plastic front bumper? hmmmm......


....and the skid plate wanna be? :dancingbanana:



:confused:

[NEOCON1]

i once saw a G-wagon and Tahoe go up a trail that no H2 had done :OWNED:

[PARAGON]

stock form , after tearing that $hit off :OWNED: LOLDon't look like a dumbass if you are gonna bash. It's an aftermarket ARB bumper that has a winch in it and they had to use that winch a ton this weekend. I suppose it's not considered stock since it has a Hi-lift on top either.:lame:

[PARAGON]

i once saw a G-wagon and Tahoe go up a trail that no H2 had done :OWNED:

and your point is?

[Wisha Haddan H3]

After seeing the admin of FJCruiserForums wheel this weekend I am confident in saying that FJ Cruiser > H3 :(

That's some awesome wheeling by those FJs. They obviously deserve respect offroad. But if you didn't actually see an H3 fail where the FJ succeeded, how can you say the FJ > H3 ? You said yourself that they needed the winch much of the time. Put a winch on an H3 and I bet it would do the same obstacles.

I appreciate the strengths of the FJ, but none of that convinces me the FJ is superior. I stand by what I wrote in another thread ...

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=310953#post310953

[NEOCON1]

yea and if we had winched up everything , we never would bust anything either .:jump:

[PARAGON]

That's some awesome wheeling by those FJs. They obviously deserve respect offroad. But if you didn't actually see an H3 fail where the FJ succeeded, how can you say the FJ > H3 ? You said yourself that they needed the winch much of the time. Put a winch on an H3 and I bet it would do the same obstacles.



Another dumbass? Where did I said that they needed the winch "much of the time"?

I have wheeled with both FJs and H3s. Have you? I know the capabilities of both as I have seen it first hand and not from a bunch of web wheelers like yourself. FWIW, there were no winch pulls on the trail that the FJ is on in the pics above. It made it all the way without pulling strap or rope.

All someone with an H3 has to do is signup and go to Grayrock, AL this coming weekend. It's the annual Fall for All and it's turning out to be one of the biggest event in the South.
http://www.grayrockorv.com/Home.htm

[wpage]

If you drive a FJ you ARE a PUSSY:beerchug:

[The Green Lantern]

All these comparing who's better offroad stock or modified is getting old, I know for sure my next truck is not gonna be an H2! :excited:

:D

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Don't look like a dumbass if you are gonna bash. It's an aftermarket ARB bumper that has a winch in it and they had to use that winch a ton this weekend.
Please take your own advice Paragon.

"Much of the time" gives the FJ more credit than "they had to use that winch a ton". And don't frame me as a web-wheeling FJ hater after I said the FJ's wheeling was awesome, that I respected its offroad ability and that I appreciate its strengths. I haven't wheeled with an FJ (yet) only because I never see them on my trail runs. But I've driven both the manual and auto FJ and studied their specs inside and out. I also posted a link detailing my position, which you conveniently ignored.

You still haven't explained why or how you know the FJ is better than the H3. What's your personal experience with them? Have you ever driven them? Tell us about it. Maybe you've just seen both on the trail, but we can't read your mind. All you've done is post awesome pictures of an FJ on an obstacle, which only shows what the FJ can do ... not what the H3 can't.

So once again, if you've seen an FJ succeed where an H3 got stuck, tell us about it ... or better yet take a pic. Otherwise, you're the web wheeler talking out of your ass.

[PARAGON]

Please take your own advice Paragon.

"Much of the time" gives the FJ more credit than "they had to use that winch a ton". And don't frame me as a web-wheling FJ hater after I said the FJ's wheeling was awesome, that I respected its offroad ability and that I appreciate its strengths. I haven't wheeled with an FJ (yet) only because I never see them on my trail runs. But I've driven both the manual and auto FJ and studied their specs inside and out. I also posted a link detailing my position, which you conveniently ignored.

You still haven't explained why or how you know the FJ is better than the H3. What's your personal experience with them? Have you even driven them? Tell us about it. Maybe you've just seen both on the trail, but we can't read your mind. All you've done is post awesome pictures of an FJ on an obstacle, which only shows what the FJ can do ... not what the H3 can't.

So once again, if you've seen an FJ succeed where an H3 got stuck, tell us about it ... or better yet take a pic. Otherwise, you're the web wheeler talking out of your ass.You are a ****ing idiot!

You want to play word games to fix your butthurt? Fine. I really don't give rat's ass. Just makes you look more like the dumbass you apparently are comfortable being.

If you want to argue something, first STFU and read. Attempting to re-write what someone else has said and/or written is lame, at best. Saying the FJ winched much of the time is not giving it credit and is not accurate. Maybe I wasn't there, maybe I didn't see any of it and just photochopped my H2 into the pics.:rolleyes: I specifically said they winched a ton, in reference to what and how much they wheeled there you can't accurately reword that into "much of the time" for your butthurt benefit.

Secondly, I didn't frame you as a "web-wheeling FJ hater." You did that all by yourself.

Lastly, I don't have to explain anything to you dicks. Anyone that cares to heed my opinion can have at it. As far as you web wheelers, I could give two ****s.

Please let the rest of us know when you go wheeling on something more than dirt roads and follow these types of rigs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/gtjclub/CottonlandCruisersRide003.jpg.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/gtjclub/CottonlandCruisersRide005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/gtjclub/IMG_1876.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/gtjclub/IMG_1878.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/gtjclub/IMG_1865.jpg

[PARAGON]

Because that's exactly what the little FJ did.

[The Green Lantern]

Where's this place at? I see the FJ has CA license plates.

[PARAGON]

All someone with an H3 has to do is signup and go to Grayrock, AL this coming weekend. It's the annual Fall for All and it's turning out to be one of the biggest event in the South.
http://www.grayrockorv.com/Home.htmMount Olive, AL

[NEOCON1]

All these comparing who's better offroad stock or modified is getting old, I know for sure my next truck is not gonna be an H2! :excited:

:D

X2 make it a H1 :giggling:

[NEOCON1]

Don't look like a dumbass if you are gonna bash. It's an aftermarket ARB bumper that has a winch in it and they had to use that winch a ton this weekend. I suppose it's not considered stock since it has a Hi-lift on top either.:lame:

if you want respect for your beloved KY's go to the RAV-4 forum they might look up to you , you aint gettin it from us :fdance: :p

[NEOCON1]

the modded heeps are nice but i have a dozen of them in my new neighborhood funny we see them on the trails alot . but where are the private owners with the KY's ??? . Im just out there in my lil ol H3 stock except tires :dancingbanana:

[PARAGON]

if you want respect for your beloved KY's go to the RAV-4 forum they might look up to you , you aint gettin it from us :fdance: :p

I don't want anything from you, least of all respect. I don't like the FJ, would never buy one.

Certainly, the last thing I NEED is any type of respect from some dick H3 owners who couldn't follow a stock Prius through a mall parking lot.

[PARAGON]

the modded heeps are nice but i have a dozen of them in my new neighborhood funny we see them on the trails alot . but where are the private owners with the KY's ??? . Im just out there in my lil ol H3 stock except tires :dancingbanana:

Why not just STFU before you idiots swallow your whole legs along with your feet? I'm not posting this nor am I trolling with this in the H3 forums. Simply passing along information that people interesting in wheeling are interested in. If I want to talk smack and ruin H3 owner's day, I would take what I know about the H3 and what I saw the FJ do and go all over the H3 forum and post it and watch all of you cry to Jason about it after getting more butthurt than you are now.

As far as your dumbass comment about private owners::rolleyes:

http://static.flickr.com/111/270886434_603396c2fb_b.jpg

[RazM]

At first I thought someone stole Paragon's login and password, then I saw all the mindless name calling...

It's a f*cking joke to claim a stock FJ is better than an H3, especially after what we've seen fellow members accomplish.

This thread should have some links to free Advil samples.

[PARAGON]

At first I thought someone stole Paragon's login and password, then I saw all the mindless name calling...

It's a f*cking joke to claim a stock FJ is better than an H3, especially after what we've seen fellow members accomplish.

This thread should have some links to free Advil samples.

I think that's the first time I've seen anyone "get it."

Otherwise you're dumb as the rest. Show me someone on this board better qualified to make a "claim" than me. On top of that, show me someone that has been on this board longer, has wheeled a wider variety of trails AND rigs, and has proven to be more objective than anything else.

You dumbasses stumbled into the wrong wall.

[KenP]

You whiners know I love the H3, but stop crying about another truck that's extremely capable and stop crying about one, experienced wheeler's opinion.

For the record, I'd never own an FJ. They're butt ugly and look like a chick's car. Of course, I thought the samething about the 3's until I saw Neo's.;)

I haven't wheeled with an FJ, but look forward to it. Heck, I've wheeled with many 3's and I've even seen one with a locker unable to get up a glorified gravel road that no one else had any trouble on. Seriously. Was it the stock tires or newbie driver error? Well, it was a gravel road so I'm sure it was the tires.

Point is, I didn't judge the 3's based on this one experience or I'd never have wheeled with them again.

Base your judgements on sound evidence. If you haven't wheeled with an FJ, you don't have the ability to qualify your statements.

P, what's my join date?;)

Neo, when are you geting a buggy?:shhh:

[KenP]

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 29,378

Damn....:twak: :twak:

[PARAGON]

You whiners know I love the H3, but stop crying about another truck that's extremely capable and stop crying about one, experienced wheeler's opinion.

For the record, I'd never own an FJ. They're butt ugly and look like a chick's car. Of course, I thought the samething about the 3's until I saw Neo's.;)

I haven't wheeled with an FJ, but look forward to it. Heck, I've wheeled with many 3's and I've even seen one with a locker unable to get up a glorified gravel road that no one else had any trouble on. Seriously. Was it the stock tires or newbie driver error? Well, it was a gravel road so I'm sure it was the tires.

Point is, I didn't judge the 3's based on this one experience or I'd never have wheeled with them again.

Base your judgements on sound evidence. If you haven't wheeled with an FJ, you don't have the ability to qualify your statements.

P, what's my join date?;)

Neo, when are you geting a buggy?:shhh:I had several qualifications in that statement;)

[NEOCON1]

im gonna build the baddest a$$ed buggy and stick a H3 grille on the front
:jump: :dancingbanana: :jump:

[NEOCON1]

I don't want anything from you, least of all respect. I don't like the FJ, would never buy one.

Certainly, the last thing I NEED is any type of respect from some dick H3 owners who couldn't follow a stock Prius through a mall parking lot.

:yawn: grow some balls and come to Moab :p after wheelin we can go jump off a rock :OWNED:

[PARAGON]

:yawn: grow some balls and come to Moab :p after wheelin we can go jump off a rock :OWNED:

I've been to Moab, dumbass.

[NEOCON1]

not on the last three trips with us $hithead

[NEOCON1]

Why not just STFU before you idiots swallow your whole legs along with your feet? I'm not posting this nor am I trolling with this in the H3 forums. Simply passing along information that people interesting in wheeling are interested in. If I want to talk smack and ruin H3 owner's day, I would take what I know about the H3 and what I saw the FJ do and go all over the H3 forum and post it and watch all of you cry to Jason about it after getting more butthurt than you are now.

As far as your dumbass comment about private owners::rolleyes:

http://static.flickr.com/111/270886434_603396c2fb_b.jpg


FHUKIN H2 TROLLS ARE :lame:

[NEOCON1]

:dancingbanana:

[PARAGON]

not on the last three trips with us $hitheadWow, and so?

[NEOCON1]

not on the last three trips with us $hithead


you have never been with an H3 have you ?? STFU :lame:

[PARAGON]

FHUKIN H2 TROLLS ARE :lame:and whining H3 owners that don't have a clue seem to be quite common.

I'll repeat this for the non-dick H3 owners. I didn't take this to the H3 forum and didn't bash on the H3. I could have easily made myself a troll and rubbed this in all of the H3 owners' collective faces.

[NEOCON1]

FHUKIN H2 TROLLS ARE :lame:


and i will say that again X2 :p :jump: LMFAO

[PARAGON]

you have never been with an H3 have you ?? STFU :lame:

Why? So I could drag their broke asses off the trails like the H2s have had to do before?

[PARAGON]

and i will say that again X2 :p :jump: LMFAO

You know what, you are now my new little bitch!

[NEOCON1]

exactly :perfect10s: you got it , now do you know some KY ers that have pushed theirs that hard .

cus the only ones we have seen are sponsored trucks , thats my point .

until they start wheelin hard enough to bust em , they should stay at the mall .

think they miss you at the KY forum :p

[NEOCON1]

You know what, you are now my new little bitch!


i have admitted to being so many H2ers little bitch , thats just another hack on my rock rail ;) . i knew that when i bought the three :crying:

this is the funnest padding , much better than the same old BS :D

[PARAGON]

exactly :perfect10s: you got it , now do you know some KY ers that have pushed theirs that hard .

cus the only ones we have seen are sponsored trucks , thats my point .

until they start wheelin hard enough to bust em , they should stay at the mall .

think they miss you at the KY forum :p

too late and too sorry of a try

[NEOCON1]

dont stop now i only have a couple hours before hitting the road ;) then no forum for another week atleast :crying:

[PARAGON]

i have admitted to being so many H2ers little bitch , thats just another hack on my rock rail ;) . i knew that when i bought the three :crying:

this is the funnest padding , much better than the same old BS :Dget ready, it's going to get a lot more fun then

[NEOCON1]

too late and too sorry of a try


i have been posting that since death valley :o you are a ass :twak:

[NEOCON1]

your a little late on the band wagon

[PARAGON]

dont stop now i only have a couple hours before hitting the road ;) then no forum for another week atleast :crying:don't worry about that, it won't bother me one bit

[NEOCON1]

don't worry about that, it won't bother me one bit


masterbate away then :giggling:

[PARAGON]

i have been posting that since death valley :o you are a ass :twak:

Pay attention, slow mo. I don't care what you've been posting. Because everytime you post your dumbass remarks, I make you stick your foot further down your ****ing throat.

Just like I could post a picture of the FJ that bent a tie-rod this weekend.

You think I like FJ's and post on their forum. Go over there. I am a member. Take a look at my post count, you bumbling moron.

[NEOCON1]

Pay attention, slow mo. I don't care what you've been posting. Because everytime you post your dumbass remarks, I make you stick your foot further down your ****ing throat.

Just like I could post a picture of the FJ that bent a tie-rod this weekend.

You think I like FJ's and post on their forum. Go over there. I am a member. Take a look at my post count, you bumbling moron.

:yawn: your getting lamer

[KenP]

Some considerably time after mine :excited:'Tis true my friend.:beerchug:

If you haven't wheeled with an FJ, you can't make accurate judgements about the truck's capabilities.

Who's wheeled with an FJ?

I haven't...

[The Green Lantern]

Who's wheeled with an FJ?

I haven't...

I have.:jump:

[NEOCON1]

i have wheeled around two stuck ones in pismo .

[KenP]

i have wheeled around two stuck ones in pismo .Anyone can get stuck in beach sand. I mean really wheeled with one. Rocks, mud, you know what I mean.

For that matter, anyone wheel with a JK Rubi yet?

[NEOCON1]

so how many of you H3 haters have drivin a H3 ???

[KenP]

so how many of you H3 haters have drivin a H3 ???Hey, I don't hate the 3's and you know that. I've driven a couple.:jump:

[H2Finally]

Woah, Neo. Just because some disagreed with you, don't make em a hater! Just people who disagreed with you that H3 > FJ, exactly like you disagreed with Para that FJ > H3.

Imho comparisons are difficult anyhow, because the drivers play a huge role in the outcome.

For example, I think I'm an adequate H2 off-roader, and you're an excellent H3 off-roader. But I guarantee you Para and Sewie will drive rings around us when push comes to shove, because if nothing else, they see their respective rigs more like a tool and more willing to use/push them as such.

Otherwise, since I have not wheeled with an FJ, much less a hardcore one, I don't have an opinion, and would just continue to enjoy the free entertainment :jump:

[NEOCON1]

Hey, I don't hate the 3's and you know that. I've driven a couple.:jump:


i know your not threatened by us ;) but i wonder about some of the others :p

[DennisAJC]

FJ > H3

It is far from anti-H3 when it's coming from Hummer family members.

It's just the cold truth.

I've taken both rigs out, FJ is way superior. End of story. Actually, I'd put The Jeep Unlimited second and H3 third.

If I had too (Which would never happen.) give up the H2, the FJ would be my next choice without a doubt.



As for folks like Neo, Bebes, Sewie, etc.....

That's awsome driver skill that makes the H3s look good sometimes.

Imagine how much better they would perform in an H2 or FJ?:fdance:

[RazM]

FJ > H3

It is far from anti-H3 when it's coming from Hummer family members.

It's just the cold truth.

I've taken both rigs out, FJ is way superior. End of story. Actually, I'd put The Jeep Unlimited second and H3 third.

If I had too (Which would never happen.) give up the H2, the FJ would be my next choice without a doubt.


But! The FJ wouldn't make up for your shortcomings!

Seriously guys, I'd like to hear your expert opinions on WHY you think the FJ is better than the H3. Lets see it.

[KenP]

But! The FJ wouldn't make up for your shortcomings!

Seriously guys, I'd like to hear your expert opinions on WHY you think the FJ is better than the H3. Lets see it.Dennis is just a tad under average height.:confused:

[NEOCON1]

But! The FJ wouldn't make up for your shortcomings!

Seriously guys, I'd like to hear your expert opinions on WHY you think the FJ is better than the H3. Lets see it.

because the base model is 2 wheel drive , they can still pretend that they wheel and get mileage they only dreamed of in their H2's

[NEOCON1]

well its been fun but have a 14 hour drive back to utah tonight , you all take care and i will be back online in a week or so :p :beerchug:

[RazM]

well its been fun but have a 14 hour drive back to utah tonight , you all take care and i will be back online in a week or so :p :beerchug:
Have a safe drive Neo, you won't be missing much in this thread.

[RazM]

I don't see as it really matters what anyone thinks a particular rig can or can't do. Let's face it, we drive the most despised vehicles on the trail, and FJC's are not that far behind ;)

A $3k beat up lifted CJ can out wheel most of our vehicles, but we chose the vehicle we have for our own reasons, and I don't think it matters if anyone thinks it is good, bad or indifferent off-road, as long as you are happy with it yourself.

I like the FJ and think with a few mods it will be an excellent wheelin' vehicle, but I'd buy a 4 dr JK first and think a slightly modded JK will leave just about any 2 or 3 behind on the trail. But that's just another opinion and we all know about opinions...

:grouphug:

:iagree:

[PARAGON]

An article has already been written about our trip this weekend. He even mentions us trying to set them up on a trail that we didn't think it could do.


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The Zen + Math of Rock Crawling in the FJ Cruiser (http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/the-zen--math-of-rock-crawling-in-the-fj-cruiser-207899.php)

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An ex-girlfriend with whom I still have somewhat of a volatile relationship lives in Birmingham, Alabama. This would generally be rather unimportant, other than I felt like I needed to go and stare down the city she bailed on me for. So when Toyota offered me and three other various internet personalities a shot at going rock crawling outside of the 'Ham in celebration of the new FJ Cruiser, I figured I may as well take them up on it. The ex and I had had dinner plans for a month, which she suddenly and unceremoniously flaked on a couple of days before I left.

Toyota had put us up at the Tutwiler, which touts itself as the grand dame of Southern hotels. And while the people were nice, the cotomer sevis (http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/novelties/jalopnik-has-no-good-cotomer-sevis-184374.php) left something to be desired. It wasn't an uncaring attitude; it was just general ineptitude, which, for a hotel described by said ex as the Claremont or Fairmont of Birmingham, was somewhat (and I'm being rather generous here), below par. Plus, Birmingham is like Sacramento without the ready access to the Sierras or the sea. And although I met some very nice people, the overriding attitude -- while hospitable -- was "You're in 'Bama now, son. Don't you dare ask about the UT game while Auburn's playing." Toto, we're not in Pedro, anymore. We're about to squeal like pigs.

Even the other Southerners wandered around whistling or singing "Dueling Banjos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esl2NNOtHQE)" when out of earshot of the Alabama types. So while it's safe to say that I felt entirely worthless for being outvoted in favor of this podunk backwater (and I tried to like it -- I swear), I'll readily admit that the Grayrock ORV park was an absolutely stunning locale, and the weather was note-perfect for a day of attempted Toyota-bending.
Toyota's taking a grassroots approach to the marketing of the FJ via its Trail Team program, sending crews out to various crawlin' and muddin' events across the nation in an effort to get the hardcores into their new small ute before they launch a mainstream campaign. And after spending a day attempting to break a black-cherry colored model, I have to say that I'm a believer. And with that, let's get the bad stuff out of the way first.
Number one, let's talk about the seatbelts. The front belts are anchored in the rear clamshell doors. Which means if you attempt to open a rear door while the driver or passenger is still belted in, strangulation-related hilarity ensues. Furthermore, on steep inclines, the pretensioners lock, precluding hanging your head out the window, forcing you to release your belt. Then, when the recon is done, you can't put it back on before you get to level ground, which means that you're in danger of bouncing yourself into the roof.

Beyond that, the rear area is devoid of oh-**** bars. And given that the FJ is capable of some serious oh-****ness, that seems like a serious omission. Also, it'd be nice to be able to open the rear doors without having to crack the fronts. We pulled a lot of Chinese firedrills while crawling the trucks, what with photogs jumping in and out and spotters making rapid ingress and egress over serious terrain, and the door setup left a lot to be desired. It's definitely a DINK-mobile. If you have kids and don't go off-road, there are certainly better choices. Also bad: a thermometer that only works over 15mph. On the road? No biggie. But when you spend your day creeping at 10mph in 4WD low, it's a rather amusing to see the thermo reading 45F when it's actually around 70.
But here's the thing. The FJ is the real deal. Our trucks were only slightly altered to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous journos and OHV enthusiasts. Here's the mod list: Full-length custom skidplates, ARB bull-bars with Warn winches, TRD cat-back exhaust systems, TRD wheels shod with more serious off-road tires, and a set of Toyota rock rails. Frankly, if you're going to do mild rock crawling, the rock rails and tires are the only musts. Toyota's equipped the truck with an electronically-locking rear diff, as well as a rather ingenious traction-control system.

And this is where the zen of rock crawling comes in. The first trail I tackled was rather ironically-titled "Bunny Slope #3." About 2/3 of the way up the course, there was a pretty technical section involving a few bomb holes and ruts on one side with alternating rocks, which required some serious spotting. The obstacles come so close together that it requires some sort of preternatural photographic vision/memory that I simply don't have. It took maybe ten attempts to finally power over it using only the onboard traction control.

Later in the day, we tried it again, with Will, one of the Trail Team guys, behind the wheel. It'd taken Tim, who'd spotted me on my attempt, an age to get over it just ahead of us. Will simply engaged the locker and powered straight through in one try. However, that doesn't signify a triumph of old-school lockers over the electronic mind of the traction control system. In other situations, the electronics didn't act so much as a nanny as a guide. Toyota likes to say that they've equipped the FJ with a toolkit, and that's exactly what they've done. The traction control and the locker can be engaged and disengaged at will. And while I think, as a PR move, they used the traction control to show off its technology, there were situations where obstacles could've been traversed more easily with the locker engaged. But that's what's really pretty amazing about the FJ -- on the road, it's a very smooth vehicle. And offroad, even in basically-stock trim, it's ridiculously capable for a vehicle at its price-point. You could spend more to get less, easily

The Wrangler is more basic; less advanced and a little less cutesy. With the FJ, if you're going to swap out axles, you're negating the advantage of the traction control, which is truly one of the truck's best features. And with an independent front end, it's hard to lift the thing to the skies. But as a weekend-warrior trail-runner that can double as a work-week commuter, the FJ is hard to match. It's hipper than the H3. It's the metro boy that can pull off the hairy chest to the Liberty's Cialis-popping twink, and it won the respect of a crew of Alabama Jeepers who wanted to see it fail. I'm not a big Toyota guy. Sure, I like my Starlets and early '70s Celica GTs. I *heart* me some '80s post-Hilux and 'glass-backed 4Runner action, and I've always had a soft spot for FJ40s and 55s.
But to be honest, the FJ Cruiser, while largely due to government regulations, is a bit too padded for my tastes, is a ridiculously serious machine for the price; especially in an era of watered-down crossovers. I bought my SUV in V8, rear-drive form because I wanted a station wagon for tow/haul duty. If I were in the market for a genuine off-roader for weekend blasts and work-week slogs, the FJ's combination of styling, prowess and general civility makes it an absolute must-consider. But if I had a family, I'd probably lean toward the Liberty for everyday practicality's sake. And then I'd spend my days lamenting that I hadn't bought the FJ. It's not a perfect vehicle, and it's aesthetically a tad overwrought (although I do dig the basic styling of it) but let it not be doubted that the FJ is incredibly good at what it does.

And here's the deal. I went to 'Bama in a rather bothered state. I was frustrated with the reptitive frustration of the repetitive frustration of the repetitively-frustrating BS I was going through with the aforementioned ex; it seemed like a never-ending slog. But the nature of crawling taught me something. The whole raison d'etere of the sport is that it is a never-ending slog; there's a peace to it -- even as you're smoking your tires on slick rocks or high-centering the truck so brilliantly that you could literally change all four tires with no worry of the thing tipping over on you. And well, that, friends, is why God gave us the electric winch. ? Davey G. Johnson

Disclaimer: Toyota paid for my flight to Alabama, my room at the Tutwiler, all of my food and drink, gas and insurance on the vehicles.

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[DennisAJC]

Seriously guys, I'd like to hear your expert opinions on WHY you think the FJ is better than the H3. Lets see it.

An FJ driver can run faster than an H3.:jump:

[DRTYFN]

An FJ driver can run faster than an H3.:jump:
But the FJ still has to wear diapers. The H3 gets to wear big boy pants now.:jump:

[KenP]

If I were in the market for a genuine off-roader for weekend blasts and work-week slogs, the FJ's combination of styling, prowess and general civility makes it an absolute must-consider. But if I had a family, I'd probably lean toward the Liberty for everyday practicality's sake.WTF does that mean? He'd take a Liberty over an H3? No ****ing way!!!

I think all the free stuff got to his head.:twak: :rolleyes:

[DennisAJC]

The H3 gets to wear big boy pants now.:jump:

Did somebody say Camel Toe?:jump:

[KenP]

Did somebody say Camel Toe?:jump:I have a great GIF for that... I just can't find it....

[RazM]

I have a great GIF for that... I just can't find it....
If it's as good as your bouncy gif, we can all forget about the FJ being better than the H3 nonsense that this thread has turned into :jump::dancingbanana:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

You are a ****ing idiot!

You want to play word games to fix your butthurt? Fine. I really don't give rat's ass. Just makes you look more like the dumbass you apparently are comfortable being.

If you want to argue something, first STFU and read. Attempting to re-write what someone else has said and/or written is lame, at best. Saying the FJ winched much of the time is not giving it credit and is not accurate. Maybe I wasn't there, maybe I didn't see any of it and just photochopped my H2 into the pics.:rolleyes: I specifically said they winched a ton, in reference to what and how much they wheeled there you can't accurately reword that into "much of the time" for your butthurt benefit.

Secondly, I didn't frame you as a "web-wheeling FJ hater." You did that all by yourself.

Lastly, I don't have to explain anything to you dicks. Anyone that cares to heed my opinion can have at it. As far as you web wheelers, I could give two ****s.

Please let the rest of us know when you go wheeling on something more than dirt roads and follow these types of rigs.
Wow paragon, you're wound out pretty tight. I'm not trying to give you an ulcer. I just want to know why you said the FJ performs better offroad than the H3. Because "paragon said so" isn't good enough for me.

I've explained very clearly why I chose the H3 over the FJ after my test drives and research. I was hoping for a logical coherent explanation of why you would choose differently. I already respect the FJ's engineering (tho I hate it's exterior design), and I'm genuinely interested in your opinion. But your name calling, obscenities and insults are out of line.

For myself, I wasn't trying to twist what you said. You wrote "they had to use that winch a ton this weekend". "Had to" means the winch was required. And unless you actually meant 2000 lbs, "a ton" means a lot of the time. "Much" means a lot. So when I wrote "they needed the winch much of the time" I was directly paraphrasing you, not playing word games.

I don't care if you love the FJ, or if you just hate the H3. But if you have a rational explanation for believing the FJ is superior, then let's have it. Otherwise, thanks for the cool picture of the FJ and please get some anger management.

[PARAGON]

Wow paragon, you're wound out pretty tight. I'm not trying to give you an ulcer. I just want to know why you said the FJ performs better offroad than the H3. Because "paragon said so" isn't good enough for me.

I've explained very clearly why I chose the H3 over the FJ after my test drives and research. I was hoping for a logical coherent explanation of why you would choose differently. I already respect the FJ's engineering (tho I hate it's exterior design), and I'm genuinely interested in your opinion. But your name calling, obscenities and insults are out of line.

For myself, I wasn't trying to twist what you said. You wrote "they had to use that winch a ton this weekend". "Had to" means the winch was required. And unless you actually meant 2000 lbs, "a ton" means a lot of the time. "Much" means a lot. So when I wrote "they needed the winch much of the time" I was directly paraphrasing you, not playing word games.

I don't care if you love the FJ, or if you just hate the H3. But if you have a rational explanation for believing the FJ is superior, then let's have it. Otherwise, thanks for the cool picture of the FJ and please get some anger management.

You have no idea who I am or what I am like. Wound tight is the farthest of explanations of my demeanor. Simply stating one's convictions is not being "wound tight." The fact that I add colorful adjectives and nouns is simple. It make for better reading and makes numbskulls like you get riled for no reason.

You are still trying to twist things while all-the-while claiming differently. I've never stated what vehicle I would choose. Never proposed which one I "liked." Never stated that the FJ was superior. I stated that the FJ could outwheel the H3. I've wheeled with both and it's a simple fact. Cut it how you want. It's just the way it is.

I don't need any satisfaction from H3 owners, H2 owners nor FJ owners for that matter, so, at this point, my willingness to detail why has long since left.

When I posted pictures and dick H3 owners start questioning my comments about the trucks being stock because they don't have the original bumper, I have absolutely no desire to be any more informative.

So, again, I don't feel the need to explain anything.

[dеiтайожни]

Never stated that the FJ was superior. I stated that the FJ could outwheel the H3.

You never did? My mistake. Oh wait, next sentence!

[ZigsRig]

please get some anger management.

:jump: :dancingbanana: :jump:

[PARAGON]

You never did? My mistake. Oh wait, next sentence!

If that's what makes your boat float.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Never stated that the FJ was superior. I stated that the FJ could outwheel the H3.

So, again, I don't feel the need to explain anything.

Really?

After this weekend, all I can say is FJ Cruisers > H3

Looks like you said "After this weekend, all I can say is FJ Cruisers are greater than H3."

[funkzilla]

Wow paragon, you're wound out pretty tight. I'm not trying to give you an ulcer. I just want to know why you said the FJ performs better offroad than the H3. Because "paragon said so" isn't good enough for me.

I've explained very clearly why I chose the H3 over the FJ after my test drives and research. I was hoping for a logical coherent explanation of why you would choose differently. I already respect the FJ's engineering (tho I hate it's exterior design), and I'm genuinely interested in your opinion. But your name calling, obscenities and insults are out of line.

For myself, I wasn't trying to twist what you said. You wrote "they had to use that winch a ton this weekend". "Had to" means the winch was required. And unless you actually meant 2000 lbs, "a ton" means a lot of the time. "Much" means a lot. So when I wrote "they needed the winch much of the time" I was directly paraphrasing you, not playing word games.

I don't care if you love the FJ, or if you just hate the H3. But if you have a rational explanation for believing the FJ is superior, then let's have it. Otherwise, thanks for the cool picture of the FJ and please get some anger management.

You nailed it dude. This guy is a post whore...web wheeler (I had never heard that before he brought it up and seeing his post count there is no way he actually prys his ass out of that chair to hit the trails.)

I too looked at the FJ/Rubi/H3 before pulling the trigger. I chose the H3 for the sum of the parts not the fact that some putz saw someone do something with a one rig he thinks the other rig could not pull off.

[PARAGON]

Really?



Looks like you said "After this weekend, all I can say is FJ Cruisers are greater than H3."So, featherduster boy, what exactly is your point?

[PARAGON]

You nailed it dude. This guy is a post whore...web wheeler (I had never heard that before he brought it up and seeing his post count there is no way he actually prys his ass out of that chair to hit the trails.)

I too looked at the FJ/Rubi/H3 before pulling the trigger. I chose the H3 for the sum of the parts not the fact that some putz saw someone do something with a one rig he thinks the other rig could not pull off.

Right, I'm the web-wheeler.

Tell you what. When you think you have wheeled more trail than me, let me know and let's compare notes.

I'm betting I've wheeled more trail with my H2 than you've wheeled period.

[funkzilla]

Right, I'm the web-wheeler.

Tell you what. When you think you have wheeled more trail than me, let me know and let's compare notes.

I'm betting I've wheeled more trail with my H2 than you've wheeled period.

ok...whip it out big boy, lets measure.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

You have no idea who I am or what I am like. Wound tight is the farthest of explanations of my demeanor. Simply stating one's convictions is not being "wound tight." The fact that I add colorful adjectives and nouns is simple. It make for better reading and makes numbskulls like you get riled for no reason.

You are still trying to twist things while all-the-while claiming differently. I've never stated what vehicle I would choose. Never proposed which one I "liked." Never stated that the FJ was superior. I stated that the FJ could outwheel the H3. I've wheeled with both and it's a simple fact. Cut it how you want. It's just the way it is.

I don't need any satisfaction from H3 owners, H2 owners nor FJ owners for that matter, so, at this point, my willingness to detail why has long since left.

When I posted pictures and dick H3 owners start questioning my comments about the trucks being stock because they don't have the original bumper, I have absolutely no desire to be any more informative.

So, again, I don't feel the need to explain anything.
Nah, not a bit riled. It's actually making my sick day go a little faster.

I wish you would state your convictions tho. Your rants and invective are getting old. It's always the same old "you're a dick", "you're an idiot", "you're a dumbass" or "you're butthurt" every time somebody disagrees with you, has a different opinion or asks you to explain yourself. People say you're a great wheeler with tons of experience and great advice. Could be true, but who would know it with all the name-calling.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you'd build people up instead of cutting them down. You have 22,700 posts for gods sake. That's quite a legacy of insults and invective. Can you imagine all the people you could have helped or advice you could have given instead? But you'd rather rile people up and call them names. What a waste.

[PARAGON]

Nah, not a bit riled. It's actually making my sick day go a little faster.

I wish you would state your convictions tho. Your rants and invective are getting old. It's always the same old "you're a dick", "you're an idiot", "you're a dumbass" or "you're butthurt" every time somebody disagrees with you, has a different opinion or asks you to explain yourself. People say you're a great wheeler with tons of experience and great advice. Could be true, but who would know it with all the name-calling.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you'd build people up instead of cutting them down. You have 22,700 posts for gods sake. That's quite a legacy of insults and invective. Can you imagine all the people you could have helped or advice you could have given instead? But you'd rather rile people up and call them names. What a waste.

Just more nonsense, I don't have 22,700 posts.

Just ask the majority of H2 owners, I am always helping or giving advice. There are only a few that try to provide technical help in the H2 section. Guess what, stick-your-foot-in-your-mouth, I am one of the main ones.

The colorful additions are usually left of trolls, troublemakers and AEs AND off topic discussions. But since so many of the H3ers that have posted in this little foray can't see outside of their own little world, it's not surprising none have any clue.

[PARAGON]

ok...whip it out big boy, lets measure.I already have, numbnuts. Much of it's on this forum.

[funkzilla]

I already have, numbnuts. Much of it's on this forum.

dude...if you want to include nuts in the measurement, I damn sure got you beat...mine are freak'n huge...circus big...call guiness

[PARAGON]

dude...if you want to include nuts in the measurement, I damn sure got you beat...mine are freak'n huge...circus big...call guiness

I suggest you call the urologist.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Just more nonsense, I don't have 22,700 posts.

What are you talking about? It's plain as day in your header.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

So, featherduster boy, what exactly is your point?

Just showing that you can't even remember what you posted yesterday. 'tis all.

[PARAGON]

What are you talking about? It's plain as day in your header.No, it's not.

I don't have nearly that many posts.

[PARAGON]

Just showing that you can't even remember what you posted yesterday. 'tis all.Prolly can't. So?

Don't really need to either because I can simply read what I posted.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

What are you talking about? It's plain as day in your header.

Forget it, he's dillusional. He's probably so angry that all of us little ants have infiltrated "his" forum and made a mockery of him. Though we've known for some time he's pretty much incapable of posting anything logical or useful.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Prolly can't. So?

Don't really need to either because I can simply read what I posted.

So maybe you should go read a little bit, do some research, and when you've figured out exactly what you said, come back and let us know. Because I think you're a bit confused as to what you actually posted.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Just more nonsense, I don't have 22,700 posts.

Just ask the majority of H2 owners, I am always helping or giving advice. There are only a few that try to provide technical help in the H2 section. Guess what, stick-your-foot-in-your-mouth, I am one of the main ones.

The colorful additions are usually left of trolls, troublemakers and AEs AND off topic discussions. But since so many of the H3ers that have posted in this little foray can't see outside of their own little world, it's not surprising none have any clue.

We thank you for your technical contributions in the past. However, these "colorful additions" seem to comprise the majority of your past posts, even in the technical sections. Always name calling at someone apparently.

I can only imagine how many newbies you have driven away. Your "welcoming" additude certainly is a wonderful addition to this forum.

And from what I'm seeing, you do have over 22,000 posts.

[PARAGON]

Forget it, he's dillusional. He's probably so angry that all of us little ants have infiltrated "his" forum and made a mockery of him. Though we've known for some time he's pretty much incapable of posting anything logical or useful.

Yep that's it. :giggling:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Forget it, he's dillusional. He's probably so angry that all of us little ants have infiltrated "his" forum and made a mockery of him. Though we've known for some time he's pretty much incapable of posting anything logical or useful.

sad but true

[PARAGON]

So maybe you should go read a little bit, do some research, and when you've figured out exactly what you said, come back and let us know. Because I think you're a bit confused as to what you actually posted.No, don't need to. Not a bit confused. You posted it and I asked, so?

[PARAGON]

We thank you for your technical contributions in the past. However, these "colorful additions" seem to comprise the majority of your past posts, even in the technical sections. Always name calling at someone apparently.

I can only imagine how many newbies you have driven away. Your "welcoming" additude certainly is a wonderful addition to this forum.

And from what I'm seeing, you do have over 22,000 posts.Don't attempt to patronize me.

If you are so worried about my purported post count. Go add up all my posts. I can promise you that I don't have over 22,000 posts and have never posted much more than half that, at the extreme most.

If you don't understand it, just forget about it because it doesn't concern you.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

A childish retort. Excellent proof that indeed you even forget what I'm referring to. Perhaps http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=317122&postcount=209 would refresh your memory banks. Looks like a pretty glaring contridiction there.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Don't attempt to patronize me.

If you are so worried about my purported post count. Go add up all my posts. I can promise you that I don't have over 22,000 posts and have never posted much more than half that, at the extreme most.

If you don't understand it, just forget about it because it doesn't concern you.
So this relates back to the forum change over when the post counts were artifically increased? Ah, if that's they case, why not change your post count to accurately reflect your real number of posts?

[PARAGON]

A childish retort. Excellent proof that indeed you even forget what I'm referring to. Perhaps http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=317122&postcount=209 would refresh your memory banks. Looks like a pretty glaring contridiction there.

Well, "looks like" and "is" are two completely different things, now aren't they. Of course, I am sure you are well aware of that fact.

[PARAGON]

So this relates back to the forum change over when the post counts were artifically increased? Ah, if that's they case, why not change your post count to accurately reflect your real number of posts?No

I can only change my post count 1 at a time.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Well, "looks like" and "is" are two completely different things, now aren't they. Of course, I am sure you are well aware of that fact.
I say "looks like" because I can only see what you've posted. I'm certain that in your mind, your posts change into whatever you want them to be. So "is" really can't apply here, since what your post "is" to you could change at any moment, depending on what's most useful for you.

[PARAGON]

I say "looks like" because I can only see what you've posted. I'm certain that in your mind, your posts change into whatever you want them to be. So "is" really can't apply here, since what your post "is" to you could change at any moment, depending on what's most useful for you.

M-kay!:confused:

[BlueHUMMERH2]

M-kay!:confused:
Glad that's all you could come up with. Perhaps your krispy creme fell on the keyboard to produce that word of wisdom. :jump:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

If you are so worried about my purported post count. Go add up all my posts. I can promise you that I don't have over 22,000 posts and have never posted much more than half that, at the extreme most.

Maybe you've got a point ... 11,000 negative, patronizing, demeaning, offensive posts isn't nearly as bad as 22,000. :giggling:

[PARAGON]

Maybe you've got a point ... 11,000 negative, patronizing, demeaning, offensive posts isn't nearly as bad as 22,000. :giggling:I'll try harder

[PARAGON]

Glad that's all you could come up with. Perhaps your krispy creme fell on the keyboard to produce that word of wisdom. :jump: Is that what you call it?

Please, never refer to my genitalia when addressing me.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Wisha Haddan H3 has a point. You're only "Quasi-despised" at this point. Maybe you should try harder. :giggling:

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Is that what you call it?

Please, never refer to my genitalia when addressing me.

Oh, I'm sorry, I spelled it wrong. I meant to say "Krispy Kreme".

As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispy_Cream

As for what you're insinuating, maybe you should take your own advice and see a urologist. Nothing is supposed to be krispy.

[PARAGON]

Oh, I'm sorry, I spelled it wrong. I meant to say "Krispy Kreme".

As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispy_Cream

As for what you're insinuating, maybe you should take your own advice and see a urologist. Nothing is supposed to be krispy.

You sure? That's weird. I would have sworn you would have taken it hard and crispy.

[PARAGON]

Oh, I'm sorry, I spelled it wrong. I meant to say "Krispy Kreme".

As in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispy_Cream

As for what you're insinuating, maybe you should take your own advice and see a urologist. Nothing is supposed to be krispy.would it be too obvious to point out that you mispelled it once again, in the link?

[BlueHUMMERH2]

would it be too obvious to point out that you mispelled it once again, in the link?
Would it be too obvious to point out that it's actually spelled that way in the Wikipedia URL? :OWNED:

[BlueHUMMERH2]

You sure? That's weird. I would have sworn you would have taken it hard and crispy.

Perhaps you have a urinary tract infection. You really should see a urologist.

[PARAGON]

Would it be too obvious to point out that it's actually spelled that way in the Wikipedia URL? :OWNED:You are the one commenting about the spelling and the saying "as in"

Can't help that you can't get it straight.

[PARAGON]

Perhaps you have a urinary tract infection. You really should see a urologist.:clapping: - NOT!!!!

Horry chit, that didn't even come close to applying.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

This is becoming amusing to me PARAGON. It's like hyper-padding. I've gained almost 50 posts today. I can't help if you can't tell that I'm referring you to the Wikipedia page. I can only do so much for you. Eventually, you have to connect the dots yourself.

And that crusty stuff you mentioned: really, you should have it checked out by a physician.

[PARAGON]

This is becoming amusing to me PARAGON. It's like hyper-padding. I've gained almost 50 posts today. I can't help if you can't tell that I'm referring you to the Wikipedia page. I can only do so much for you. Eventually, you have to connect the dots yourself.

And that crusty stuff you mentioned: really, you should have it checked out by a physician.

Please tell us that you are simply pretending to be this dumb

[wpage]

FJ + driver = Pussy :beerchug:

[westhillsat]

Wow, just wow :popcorn:


Tis true that several people's post count though it does "show" the posts to be in the several 10,000's - it is not their actual post count.

Would I own an FJ, no
Would I wheel with an FJ, sure
Wish I had an H2, sure
Wish I had an H1, damn sure
Love my H3, damn straight! :D

[The Green Lantern]

Would I own an FJ, NO
Would I wheel with an FJ, maybe
Wish I had an H2, Nope
Wish I had an H1, Not really
Love my H3, It's ok


:dancingbanana:

[DRTYFN]

btt

:OWNED:

[DennisAJC]

Awwwww.....It looks sad.

[DennisAJC]

Would I own an FJ, NO
Would I wheel with an FJ, maybe
Wish I had an H2, Nope
Wish I had an H1, Not really
Love my H3, It's ok


:dancingbanana:


Would I own an FJ, SURE
Would I wheel with an FJ, SURE
Wish I had an H3, NOPE
Would I wheel an H3, If there are H2s with tow straps around. :D
Wish I had an H1, NOPE

Love my H2, Damn rights. If I didn't , well yes I would trade it in for 2 H3s....No, better make that 2 FJs.


:jump: :OWNED: :jump:

[Artful Dodger]

Thanks for bringing this thread back up, now the FJ lurkers are on board!!! :giggling:









:mad:

[3Hummer]

I noticed some strange waving habits in the early days of my H2. For about three months I owned a H1 and H2. When I was driving the H2, I would wave, or raise a hand, at other H2's, nearly all of them would ignore me, some would even quickly look the other way. I would see the same people when driving the H1 and they would very enthusiastically wave at me, some went way overboard.

This does not say anything good for H2 owners, who clearly wanted to be "exclusive Hummer" owners, yet didn't want to acknowledge the piles of other H2's sharing the roads with them.

I tried waving at H3 owners, but they just looked at me trying to figure out why a stranger was waving at them. Nowadays I don't bother waving at anyone, unless someone waves first. Many H2/H3 owners just think of their Hummer as another SUV.

Bringing back a first page post, Same happens with me when i wave from my 3 to another 3 or to an H2, unless its fully offroaded-out. People just look like why is he waving, becuase there are soo man other H3's and 2's but the, H1 when i wave the people wave back and wave like ya were hummer owners!!! And understand why im waving at them.

As for the FJ thing, not my cup of tea, but different strokes for different folks, and the FJ has one certain thing on the Hummers its got three windshield wipers.

[geauxturbo]

FJ + driver = Pussy :beerchug:

I've wheeled with two FJs. Both guys are far from pussies. You gotta have balls to wheel something that costs that much and wheel it like its supposed to be wheeled.

I've wheeled with one H3. He hit it like a man, too.

I've wheeled with several hundred Jeeps, Toys, Fords, Chevies, and Zuks... I don't give a fawk what you drive. There's "poosies" in every brand.

[usetosellhummer]

:iagree:

[KS Trekker]

I own an H3 and I make it a point of waving at all other Hummer owners. Not to generalize, but most male H3 owners wave back, the women can't seem to make the connection that I am driving the same brand & model as them, or they are too busy with the cell phone. H2 owners almost never wave back. Whenever I see another Hummer in a parking lot, I try to park next to them (strength in numbers ;) ). The Hummer owners and the 4-wheeler community really needs to come together. My fear is that GM will bow to political correctness and dump the Hummer line altogether. I can imagine a day where you will need a license to own a SUV or you will pay a huge luxury tax. There won't be any fighting between Hummer, Jeep, or FJ owners, because the only brand you will be able to buy will be Subaru. :crying:

[Steve - SanJose]

I assume FJ's are outselling H3's by now...

[DRTYFN]

I assume FJ's are outselling H3's by now...
I think the initially novelty of the FJ has already worn off. A dealer up here said their numbers were way down on them.

[NJ H2]

Last year I joined the FJ Forum. The Forum Mod cryed :crying: like a little bitch and banned me for life!
Not for anything I said just simply because of my sign on name "Rent Free"
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
:jump:

[DRTYFN]

Last year I joined the FJ Forum. The Forum Mod cryed :crying: like a little bitch and banned me for life!
Not for anything I said just simply because of my sign on name "Rent Free"
:giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:
:jump:
I just checked and 3 of my AE's are still banned and ??? are still active.:giggling: