Tragic. And just before XMAS.

[DennisAJC]

The guy died trying to save his family. He did what most loving dads would do. Sounds cold, but makes me feel thankful owning a Hummer with all the safety gear possible..




James Kim’s body found in canyon; he had left stranded family to seek help




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16089354/

[NewHummerGuy]

That was truly sad. I was just glad the mom and daughters made it out safely. As a husband and dad I know if things had to go a certain way i would hope this would be the outcome. If only he had waited another day he could have been found with them.

[KenP]

Poor family. I guess at some point I'd have gone back to the family, worried about them. But, really, who knows?

I feel for them.:(

[DRTYFN]

It is very tragic, but was totally avoidable. Being an uber computer nerd, he should have scouted out his route better than using crappy Google, Yahoo or Mapquest.. AND he should have read the sign at the beginning of the little "road" that he turned onto that clearly warned them that it was a road that was NOT maintained during the winter. There's gas stations on I-5 that they could have asked for directions, too.
Another thing he did wrong - NEVER deviate off of the roads into the forest. He left the road and went into terrain that seriously hampered the rescue effort. I bet they flew over him a couple of times while he was in the trees or down one of the canyons.

[PARAGON]

It is very tragic, but was totally avoidable. Being an uber computer nerd, he should have scouted out his route better than using crappy Google, Yahoo or Mapquest.. AND he should have read the sign at the beginning of the little "road" that he turned onto that clearly warned them that it was a road that was NOT maintained during the winter. There's gas stations on I-5 that they could have asked for directions, too.
Another thing he did wrong - NEVER deviate off of the roads into the forest. He left the road and went into terrain that seriously hampered the rescue effort. I bet they flew over him a couple of times while he was in the trees or down one of the canyons.Then he stopped and spent the night in the car.

I live in the deep south where the change of weather means it might rain or get foggy. But damn, I at least realize that you don't go camping in a washout or stop and sleep in my car on a mountain road this time of year.

Tragic, but was hugely avoidable.

[ROX]

Dumbass. (brutal, I know)

Oregon search and rescue reportedly flew near the car once or twice, and after a week of NO results, his family hired more search helicopters and they located the girls within 2 days. Unfortunately, they hit the worst weather of the year so far. Recent photos of the car show the snow melted around it. Too bad they burned their tires instead of a Big FAT tree!

I won't even begin to speculate how they got up there or why he didn't simply walk back the way he drove in. I guess he had a whole week to sit there and talk himself into walking into the bottom of that canyon to die.

Sad, yes. But totally stupid.

[DRTYFN]

They just said on the local news that the dumbass didn't leave his car on the "main road", but pulled it off onto a spur road which I'm sure was partially obstructed by trees. He was on a mission to win that Darwin Award. Even in my H2, with siped tires, winch and all kinds of recovery gear, I wouldn't try to go over those roads in the winter.

[Sewie]

It's all over the media down here - TV, newspapers, everywhere.

And I agree with Drty and Rocks. Everyone down here is making him out to be some big hero. But they seem to keep skipping over the part where he almost got his whole family killed, not just himself. :rolleyes:

I'm not totally heartless, I do feel bad for his family and friends. But maybe the media should stop patting this guy on the back and instead use it as an opportunity to educate people on how not to get stuck on a snowed over road, how to carry proper provisions when travelling in that kind of weather, etc., etc. But I guess then they might not have anyone to report about next winter.

[DennisAJC]

I guess I'm glad I don't bring my wife and boys to Moab.

I wouldn't want to be criticized like the above posts if something happens.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

What kind of car were they driving anyway? Poor guy, he basically put himself (and family) in danger almost before he even began by not taking precautions. You gotta be ready for anything. E-blankets, some food, water, flares, etc. are not items to be left behind if you're venturing out and about with the possibility of a storm, especially in the wild areas of North America.

[dеiтайожни]

I'll bet most of you don't carry everything you need for survival on what would be routine trips either. Sure, you have your winter survival kit maybe, but what if it's only for 5 days and you are stuck for 10 days? After you are dead, we will all say you should've had a better kit, moron! What if an animal attacks you? Or a tree falls on you? Should've brought along a surgeon and a chainsaw. Never know, you might end up in the ocean, hope you packed a boat or sea plane! Don't forget to pack a snowmobile when you go skiing as well. Just some tips.

[Donkey_Kong]

I guess I'm glad I don't bring my wife and boys to Moab.

I wouldn't want to be criticized like the above posts if something happens.



Anyone who brings their kids to Moab are the real idiots.

This guy didn't choose to endanger his family. Were as some of the moab people will be choosing to endanger theirs. Which one is more idiotic?

Let's see now.........H2Rocks takes his family to Moab, CHOOSES to put his family in harms way, rolls the hummer injuring or possibly killing one of his kids or himself.

THAT WOULD BE IDIOTIC. :violin:

[ROX]

Anyone who brings their kids to Moab are the real idiots.
H2Rocks takes his family to Moab, CHOOSES to put his family in harms way, rolls the hummer injuring or possibly killing one of his kids or himself. I don't know why you're comparing Moab to S.Oregon but whatever.

H2Rocks is a real Man. What a stud.:jump:

[DRTYFN]

Anyone who brings their kids to Moab are the real idiots.

This guy didn't choose to endanger his family. Were as some of the moab people will be choosing to endanger theirs. Which one is more idiotic?

Let's see now.........H2Rocks takes his family to Moab, CHOOSES to put his family in harms way, rolls the hummer injuring or possibly killing one of his kids or himself.

THAT WOULD BE IDIOTIC. :violin:

Have you even been to Moab? Post pictures or STFU.:twak:

[h2co-pilot]

Gawd! Are you guys brutal enough?;)

I am so sad, I was glued to Fox news that afternoon- just when they were saying how amazing it was that he was surviving and they were going to drop survival bags around the area. Then they came on and said they found a body. I was devastated.:(

I also thought he looked a little like H2Finally and it just put things into perspective. I have been thinkng about that family often.

[Donkey_Kong]

I don't know why you're comparing Moab to S.Oregon but whatever.

H2Rocks is a real Man. What a stud.


Oh ya you're a girl. Let me replace idiot from the last line of my last statment with expected.

[h2co-pilot]

I'll bet most of you don't carry everything you need for survival on what would be routine trips either. Sure, you have your winter survival kit maybe, but what if it's only for 5 days and you are stuck for 10 days? After you are dead, we will all say you should've had a better kit, moron! What if an animal attacks you? Or a tree falls on you? Should've brought along a surgeon and a chainsaw. Never know, you might end up in the ocean, hope you packed a boat or sea plane! Don't forget to pack a snowmobile when you go skiing as well. Just some tips.

:jump: :beerchug: :jump:

[PARAGON]

I guess I'm glad I don't bring my wife and boys to Moab.

I wouldn't want to be criticized like the above posts if something happens.being criticized on the internet would be the least of your concerns

[h2co-pilot]

Let's not forget he was also dehydrated and weak from not eating, they only fed the kids and the wife was breastfeeding both of the children. He obviously wasn't in the right frame of mind- but his heart was.

[PARAGON]

I'll bet most of you don't carry everything you need for survival on what would be routine trips either. Sure, you have your winter survival kit maybe, but what if it's only for 5 days and you are stuck for 10 days? After you are dead, we will all say you should've had a better kit, moron! What if an animal attacks you? Or a tree falls on you? Should've brought along a surgeon and a chainsaw. Never know, you might end up in the ocean, hope you packed a boat or sea plane! Don't forget to pack a snowmobile when you go skiing as well. Just some tips.I at least try to carry a brain, that's my best survival tool.

In Aubs' case it would be like this gun

[DennisAJC]

Let's not forget he was also dehydrated and weak from not eating, they only fed the kids and the wife was breastfeeding both of the children. He obviously wasn't in the right frame of mind- but his heart was.

I was praying for a happy ending. I was really depressed when the news came out that he died. Probably to his last ounce of energy.

Could happen to anyone of us. All you can do is be prepared as best you can.

[PARAGON]

Let's not forget he was also dehydrated and weak from not eating, they only fed the kids and the wife was breastfeeding both of the children. He obviously wasn't in the right frame of mind- but his heart was.Bah! He was just trying to save himself and turnabout is fairplay:giggling: j/k


That has nothing to do with the fact that he put himself in that position to begin with.

[DennisAJC]

I at least try to carry a brain, that's my best survival tool.

In Aubs' case it would be like this gun


BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!:jump:

[PARAGON]

I was praying for a happy ending. I was really depressed when the news came out that he died. Probably to his last ounce of energy.

Could happen to anyone of us. All you can do is be prepared as best you can.WTF?????

Depressed????

What about the soldier in the field that IS doing the right things and didn't put himself in the position to be in harms way except to serve for his country? What about the person that was just stabbed by some idiot because he looked at his wheels the wrong way?

Geezus!!! The guy put himself and his family in that position and paid the ultimate price, he made boneheaded decisions and all you are going on is this "hero" persona that the media has painted.

[dеiтайожни]

I at least try to carry a brain, that's my best survival tool.

Sure... maybe we should start a list detailing what to do to avoid future problems if someone gets bit by a snake or other creature.

You know if you guys with your expert analysis on what one should have done not to die would just speak up before, no one would die except maybe due to old age. Don't you people feel the responsibility to speak up and save some lives? I'm sure that guy would've appreciated a call from one of you telling him not to go down that road.

[PARAGON]

Sure... maybe we should start a list detailing what to do to avoid future problems if someone gets bit by a snake or other creature.

You know if you guys with your expert analysis on what one should have done not to die would just speak up before, no one would die except maybe due to old age. Don't you people feel the responsibility to speak up and save some lives? I'm sure that guy would've appreciated a call from one of you telling him not to go down that road.First thing you don't do is continue drinking and ignore the bite.... mkay

Secondly, to not die, don't do stupid stuff. Sh!t will happen enough by itself, no need to help it along.

[ROX]

:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

I'm not taking my family to Moab cuz this Guy died in the Southern Oregon wilderness.
???:confused: :lame:

Anyone who brings their kids to Moab are the real idiots.

Anyone who "brings" their kids to Moab? Please, wear a sign on your back that says "kick me" so I know who you are.:fdance:

[Mrs.ssippi]

Sure... maybe we should start a list detailing what to do to avoid future problems if someone gets bit by a snake or other creature.

You know if you guys with your expert analysis on what one should have done not to die would just speak up before, no one would die except maybe due to old age. Don't you people feel the responsibility to speak up and save some lives? I'm sure that guy would've appreciated a call from one of you telling him not to go down that road.It was pretty stupid to take your kids down a snowy road that does not get maintained during snow storms. It's just like when a hurricane comes, HELLO you have days notice. But some people are stupid and try to ride it out with their kids or someone that is sick or elderly. Then they bitch because they don't get help quick enough. You know we are all arm chair quarterbacks about every subject, including you DEI and everyone else that is having a pity party about this. What about all of the other people that have died today that did not make national news? I'm sure there are some amazing stories about these people and their family. And someone mourning a loved one, what about them?

[h2co-pilot]

I don't see what the big deal is about having sympathy for a tragic situation or why some people are so hard up about making a dead man look stupid.

[Mrs.ssippi]

I don't see what the big deal is about having sympathy for a tragic situation or why some people are so hard up about making a dead man look stupid.It is bad, but I just get mad when they, the media, make a big deal about it and there are other stories out there that are just as tragic. Or someone that was also a great dad and died trying to do something good for his family. I mean look at CO when he is in Moab he always has candy and gatorade with him, you know just in case. And I always pack acrylic just in case I need to do a trail fix on my nails. Lets just think guys. Just use your head. :popcorn:

[dеiтайожни]

What about all of the other people that have died today that did not make national news? I'm sure there are some amazing stories about these people and their family. And someone mourning a loved one, what about them?

Start some threads about people dying in car accidents because they weren't smart enough to take a different road that day. Or maybe someone who was such an idiot that they had a medical problem that wasn't found until too late and died. We will discuss those then if you want.

Just remember, there is a chance I will out live all you! You guys are going to feel pretty silly after I post what you should've done not to die. :giggling:

[PARAGON]

I don't see what the big deal is about having sympathy for a tragic situation or why some people are so hard up about making a dead man look stupid.The dead man made himself look stupid.

Sympathy has nothing to do with seeing something for what it really is as compared to simply taking what the media feeds.

Why isn't the wife the hero.... hell, she's the one that saved the kid's lives and wasn't driving.

[DennisAJC]

The guy made the wrong turn. I'm sure we've all made that mistake before.:confused:


Given the situation they were in, he did what he thought was best, to save his family.

Too bad he didn't carry a crystal ball like some here.:clapping:

[Mrs.ssippi]

Why isn't the wife the hero.... hell, she's the one that saved the kid's lives and wasn't driving.We heart the BOOBS!!!!!!! She was breast feeding the baby so she kept the older child alive by breast feeding her also.

[h2co-pilot]

I dunno, a family lost in the woods and the father trekking out after a week spent in the car- the family being saved from a cell phone ping and then finding the poor man 5 days later dead from trying to save them or whatever is a pretty amazing story no matter how you tell it.

Post up some of those other stories that happened recently and I'm sure the response would be the same.

[Mrs.ssippi]

The guy made the wrong turn. I'm sure we've all made that mistake before.:confused:


Given the situation they were in, he did what he thought was best, to save his family.

Too bad he didn't carry a crystal ball like some here.:clapping:It's crystal balls, get it right. :giggling: You promised that you would not tell anyone about the crystal ball. Now we are screwed. :rant:

[PARAGON]

The guy made the wrong turn. I'm sure we've all made that mistake before.:confused:


Given the situation they were in, he did what he thought was best, to save his family.

Too bad he didn't carry a crystal ball like some here.:clapping:did you lose your concentration? What happened to the rest of the story.

He made a wrong turn, then decided to turn down a side road and drove down it for 15 miles and pulled over to sleep for the night. While they were asleep they got snowed in.

Don't make it out like he just made a wrong turn.

[h2co-pilot]

Why isn't the wife the hero.... hell, she's the one that saved the kid's lives and wasn't driving.

She is a hero- and a grieving widow.

[ROX]

You guys are going to feel pretty silly after I post what you should've done not to die. :giggling:Hopefully, if I die from something like this, You would learn something and not repeat the same mistakes.(plural) And I really hope you never let anyone from San Francisco drive you around in the snow in unfamiliar territory. :beerchug:

[DennisAJC]

Anyone who brings their kids to Moab are the real idiots.

This guy didn't choose to endanger his family. Were as some of the moab people will be choosing to endanger theirs. Which one is more idiotic?

Let's see now.........H2Rocks takes his family to Moab, CHOOSES to put his family in harms way, rolls the hummer injuring or possibly killing one of his kids or himself.

THAT WOULD BE IDIOTIC. :violin:


I also thought he looked a little like H2Finally and it just put things into perspective. I have been thinkng about that family often.


I remember spotting H2Finally up Tip Over Challenge. He had wifey and kids riding with him. I'm just wondering if the same compassion would have been given if Tip Over lived up to it's name?


Or would they blame the spotter?:giggling:

[DennisAJC]

It's crystal balls, get it right. :giggling: You promised that you would not tell anyone about the crystal ball. Now we are screwed. :rant:

:jump:

[PARAGON]

I dunno, a family lost in the woods and the father trekking out after a week spent in the car- the family being saved from a cell phone ping and then finding the poor man 5 days later dead from trying to save them or whatever is a pretty amazing story no matter how you tell it.

Post up some of those other stories that happened recently and I'm sure the response would be the same.Look it up in your local news. It happens every day, it just doesn't make national news and get painted in such a pretty picture.

You WANT it to be a nice sweet story. The fact that they guy put he and his family in that position should be the story, not the fact that he died trying to correct his mistake.

Point is, people do stupid sh!t like this all the time. WTF do you think there is such a thing as Darwin Awards and the like.

What if he didn't have his family with him?

[PARAGON]

I remember spotting H2Finally up Tip Over Challenge. He had wifey and kids riding with him. I'm just wondering if the same compassion would have been given if Tip Over lived up to it's name?


Or would they blame the spotter?:giggling:The spotter would have had an "accident" also.:giggling:

[Mrs.ssippi]

I remember spotting H2Finally up Tip Over Challenge. He had wifey and kids riding with him. I'm just wondering if the same compassion would have been given if Tip Over lived up to it's name?


Or would they blame the spotter?:giggling:It would be Shaggys fault.

[h2co-pilot]

Look it up in your local news. It happens every day, it just doesn't make national news and get painted in such a pretty picture.

You WANT it to be a nice sweet story. The fact that they guy put he and his family in that position should be the story, not the fact that he died trying to correct his mistake.

Point is, people do stupid sh!t like this all the time. WTF do you think there is such a thing as Darwin Awards and the like.

What if he didn't have his family with him?



Go find me one such as this that I wouldn't have compassion for.

No wait- go find me one that you would have compassion for.

[DennisAJC]

Go find me one such as this that I wouldn't have compassion for.

No wait- go find me one that you would have compassion for.


I think I know what will move Paragon.

"Father dies after trying to plant bomb at Nintendo factory."



:jump:

[PARAGON]

Go find me one such as this that I wouldn't have compassion for.

No wait- go find me one that you would have compassion for.I don't do requests...... in case you missed that on my resume;)

[h2co-pilot]

Okay- Sport ;)

[PARAGON]

In all seriousness, for the people I know here and any that care to reason with my opinions.

I think I've made my point that he drove himself into the predicament. Once there they did not have minimal provisions to carry on. They were able to light fires but for some reason did not keep a large hot fire going utilizing available wood.

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

Lastly, the only times he should leave the car is to forage for food and try to trap/kill small animals to eat and still continuing to build a stockpile of wood to keep a large fire going.

It just was a useless choice for him to venture out on his own unless he had some working knowledge of where he was going.... and it's obvious he did not.

[Dug]

WOw, first i heard he died. That bites for the family after the long search.
On another note , i cant believe some of the people here! No one has even the slightest clue including me, what it was like to be there or why they ended up where they did. Sure as hell , it wasnt planned. Give the guy a break , wheather he screwed up or did everything he could.
This thread is a good excuse to buy some survival gear for the back of your H2 or other ride this weekend. Maybe give some survival gear to someone in your family for there ride.

[DRTYFN]

Or would they blame the spotter?:giggling:
You blamed Adam. :giggling::OWNED::jump:

[dеiтайожни]

In all seriousness, for the people I know here and any that care to reason with my opinions.

I think I've made my point that he drove himself into the predicament. Once there they did not have minimal provisions to carry on. They were able to light fires but for some reason did not keep a large hot fire going utilizing available wood.

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

Lastly, the only times he should leave the car is to forage for food and try to trap/kill small animals to eat and still continuing to build a stockpile of wood to keep a large fire going.

It just was a useless choice for him to venture out on his own unless he had some working knowledge of where he was going.... and it's obvious he did not.

Too bad for him he was a computer guru and not an outdoor survivalist. If everyone had everyone elses knowledge in bad situations, they'd make it out alive. I bet you wouldn't make it if you had to rebuild a computer server to save your life.

[DennisAJC]

Moral of the story.....

Always carry enough water, spam, gas, matches, flares, satellite phone, candy bars, insolene, chainsaw, stitches, guns, lift kit, shovel, baby food, stove, fridge, back hoe, generator, spare car, 4th and 7th season of MacGyver DVDs, blankets, inflatable raft, oxygen, defibrillator, tent, wetsuit, scuba gear, rope, anti-venom, bee keeper's hat, bug repellent, harpoon, umbrella, sunscreen, bear spray and chains.

[DennisAJC]

You blamed Adam. :giggling::OWNED::jump:

That useless fawker!:twak:


:D

[DennisAJC]

Maybe give some survival gear to someone in your family for there ride.

Never thought of that.:beerchug:

[PARAGON]

Too bad for him he was a computer guru and not an outdoor survivalist. If everyone had everyone elses knowledge in bad situations, they'd make it out alive. I bet you wouldn't make it if you had to rebuild a computer server to save your life.I would use my Phone-a-Friend option

[dеiтайожни]

I would use my Phone-a-Friend option

Aww... you'd call me for help? So sweet.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

In all seriousness, for the people I know here and any that care to reason with my opinions.

I think I've made my point that he drove himself into the predicament. Once there they did not have minimal provisions to carry on. They were able to light fires but for some reason did not keep a large hot fire going utilizing available wood.

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

Lastly, the only times he should leave the car is to forage for food and try to trap/kill small animals to eat and still continuing to build a stockpile of wood to keep a large fire going.

It just was a useless choice for him to venture out on his own unless he had some working knowledge of where he was going.... and it's obvious he did not.
Yep, you've made yourself crystal clear. You are a blind, cold-hearted fool; a small, petty man with no sense of compassion, sympathy, pity, understanding or charity.

Obviously the man made a series of mistakes that went from bad to worse. No duh. But he took responsibility for them and lost his life trying to help his family.

It's easy for you to sit in your lazy boy and call him stupid. Who knows ... maybe he was ... or maybe a dangerous world just got the best of him. But does it really matter? You're no paragon of perfection yourself, so why are you throwing stones? At least this guy didn't back down from the fight. His final actions were based on love for his family. Where's your heart of gold, paragon? ... missing in action. You make that clearer with every spiteful post.

Enough is enough. Leave the dead in peace and stfu.

[DennisAJC]

:popcorn: :giggling:

http://www.thechambermaids.com/slap.gif

[CO Hummer]

I mean look at CO when he is in Moab he always has candy and gatorade with him, you know just in case.

That's true. But you have to consider who you take along too. I was unlucky enough to ride with a woman that hid all my candy bars up her crack. If we had needed nourishment, we'd have been fishing them out with a rubber scraper. I wouldn't want to subject my family to that.

[h2co-pilot]

That's true. But you have to consider who you take along too. I was unlucky enough to ride with a woman that hid all my candy bars up her crack. If we had needed nourishment, we'd have been fishing them out with a rubber scraper. I wouldn't want to subject my family to that.

I I I was holding them for rationing....a a at least they were warm.:o:D

[Mrs.ssippi]

Yep, you've made yourself crystal clear. You are a blind, cold-hearted fool; a small, petty man with no sense of compassion, sympathy, pity, understanding or charity.

Obviously the man made a series of mistakes that went from bad to worse. No duh. But he took responsibility for them and lost his life trying to help his family.

It's easy for you to sit in your lazy boy and call him stupid. Who knows ... maybe he was ... or maybe a dangerous world just got the best of him. But does it really matter? You're no paragon of perfection yourself, so why are you throwing stones? At least this guy didn't back down from the fight. His final actions were based on love for his family. Where's your heart of gold, paragon? ... missing in action. You make that clearer with every spiteful post.

Enough is enough. Leave the dead in peace and stfu.I just think the guy was not thinking. Smart people do stupid things all the time. My question is where was he going? Did he really think he could go for help? I have no survivor skills but I think (and I said think) I would build a fire. And then the smoke from the fire maybe would attract some attention and then someone would find me. I live in the south, it never snows here, just ice. But I keep a blaket, a pair of tennis shoes and a 12 pack of Diet Dr. Pepper in my car at all times. And most of the time if you look on the floor of the car you can find at least a happy meal of old fries and chicken nuggets. :giggling: We also keep MRE's in the Hummer at all times. But I keep all of that stuff just in case. Why? I don't know will it keep me and my kids alive? No, but it makes me feel better. I don't think anyone is saying that we are happy that this happened. It is a sad thing, lets just learn from this and move on. Everyone here keep some stuff in the truck that could help you. Something like MRE's, a small hatchet, some matches and anything you think might help you out. Hey Dennis, DRTY and Rocks. What do ya'll keep in your truck, the weather is crazy around you guys.

[h2co-pilot]

I have no survivor skills but I think (and I said think) I would build a fire. And then the smoke from the fire maybe would attract some attention and then someone would find me

Secondly, they didn't setup camp once it was realized that they were going no where fast. Utilize the car and anything else they could get their hands on to set up a camp where they could build a large fire that would radiate the heat and keep the car warm.

FWIW- They even burnt all their tires including the spare.





The family's ordeal began when they missed a Highway 42 exit from Interstate 5. They had eaten dinner in Roseburg, Ore., and were trying to make it over the mountains to the coastal town of Gold Beach where they planned to stay the night, Kati Kim told authorities after her rescue. Looking at an Oregon map, they decided to take Bear Camp Road out of Grants Pass instead. The road is primarily used in the summer by rafters on the Rogue River. The route isn't plowed in the winter.


While this sounds impossible, go ahead and check out MapQuest's directions from Grants Pass to Gold Beach (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&qq=hltF3hzNT9tNhURP0HLlhh9UYBmHRqyBceg4Gkon14D8uew Lk7pjHQ%253d%253d&ct=NA&rsres=1&1y=US&1ffi=&1l=&1g=&1pl=&1v=&1n=&1pn=&1a=&1c=merlin&1s=or&1z=&2y=US&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&2pn=&2a=&2c=gold+beach&2s=or&2z=&r=f). Yup, they include Bear Camp Road. Furthermore, take a look at Bear Camp Road on Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Bear+Camp+Road+Grants+Pass,+OR&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=42.608822,-123.786907&spn=0.101958,0.209942&t=h&om=1) (the road connects Grants Pass to Gold Beach)--it looks completely ordinary. Furthermore, drill down on the Google map satellite view, you can see how thick and vast the Cascade forest is directly off of Bear Camp Road.

[PARAGON]

Yep, you've made yourself crystal clear. You are a blind, cold-hearted fool; a small, petty man with no sense of compassion, sympathy, pity, understanding or charity.

Obviously the man made a series of mistakes that went from bad to worse. No duh. But he took responsibility for them and lost his life trying to help his family.

It's easy for you to sit in your lazy boy and call him stupid. Who knows ... maybe he was ... or maybe a dangerous world just got the best of him. But does it really matter? You're no paragon of perfection yourself, so why are you throwing stones? At least this guy didn't back down from the fight. His final actions were based on love for his family. Where's your heart of gold, paragon? ... missing in action. You make that clearer with every spiteful post.

Enough is enough. Leave the dead in peace and stfu.Give me a fvcking break.

"Where's your hear of gold, paragon?"

What the fvck is that? Could your pussy hurt any worse?

[PARAGON]

FWIW- They even burnt all their tires including the spare.
No, they only burned the spare, according to articles.

[h2co-pilot]

No, everything I have heard and read indicates all the tires were burned among other things.

The Kims woke to packed snow and ice and couldn't move their vehicle. For the next several days, Kati Kim says it rained all day and snowed all night. The family would occasionally turn on the car for heat, but gas was low. They also burned the car tires, magazines and damp driftwood for warmth.

http://www.koin.com/Global/story.asp?S=5784900

http://news.google.com/news?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=in&q=james+kim+tires+fire&btnG=Search+News

[Mrs.ssippi]

Hell, Paragon you and CP need to get a room already. Kiss and make-up. :giggling:

[PARAGON]

Helping made him hard to find

By Barbara Anderson / The Fresno Bee
12/08/06 04:38:27

Rescuers say James Kim, the San Francisco technology writer who was found Wednesday in a creek bed in a remote part of Oregon, made a superhuman effort to save his stranded family when he left them on a logging road to seek help.
But while he had the best of intentions ? to find help ? the decision ultimately cost him his life.
Kim, 35, was found floating in the middle of Big Windy Creek, 11 days after his family's car became stuck in the snow on a side road and four days after he ventured off to get help. He died of hypothermia and exposure.
His wife and two young daughters were found safe Monday in the car and rescued.
San Joaquin Valley search-and-rescue experts say they don't want to criticize Kim's choice to hike for help, because Kim was trying to save his family.
But they say the worst thing to do is to start walking ? unless you know where you are going.
"If you don't know for sure this is the way to go, just stay put," said Sgt. Alan Knight of the Tulare County Sheriff's Department.
Hiking for help makes it harder for searchers, said Adrienne Freeman, a ranger at Yosemite National Park. Each year, park rangers participate in about 200 searches for missing hikers, she said.
Search teams work very methodically, Freeman said. They define an area and search it and move on to a new area. If a lost person is moving, he may walk into an area that's already been searched and not be found, she said.
And someone hiking through trees is harder to spot from the air than someone standing in a clearing.
Freeman's advice for lost hikers: "Get yourself somewhere visible and don't move."
Each year, people become stranded or lost in the Sierra east of the San Joaquin Valley.
In October 2004, 19 outdoors enthusiasts went missing in a fierce Sierra snowstorm. Crews rescued four hikers in Madera County mountains, four in Fresno County east of Courtright Reservoir and nine in Sequoia and Kings Canyon national parks. Two other hikers and their dog were found in the Dinkey Creek area and brought to safety.
Jon Hubble, 16, of Selma, spent two cold nights in the wilderness near Huntington Lake two summers ago. Hubble remained lost while he continued to hike through woods, and was found only after he stopped hiking and set up a camp in a clearing.
Hubble became lost when he got ahead of members of a Boy Scout troop.
"I took off too fast," he said Thursday. "I thought I knew where I was going."
He realized he was lost when he reached a river, but kept hiking. "I probably should have stopped there," he said.
Hubble said he met a couple on a trail who gave him directions that he followed, but ended up deeper in the woods. He decided to stop when he found a clearing on the side of a hill.
Two days later, rescuers found him.
If he'd continued to hike, Hubble said, "I probably would have just got more lost, gone deeper into the woods. I probably would not have found a clearing as good as that one."
Oregon rescuers say Kim died after picking his way nearly to the end of the steep, 5-mile canyon in the Siskiyou National Forest west of Grants Pass.
Kim walked more than 10 miles over rugged terrain looking for help. But he had walked nearly in a loop. His body was found only about a mile from the family car.
Wearing tennis shoes, a jacket and sweater, he had left his family on Saturday, following a logging road back the way the family had come, winding around a ridge, first south, then west.
After walking three to five miles along the road, he turned east into a ravine, apparently to follow the creek in the hope that it would lead down to homes.
That used to be a recommended survival tactic, but it has fallen out of favor because people who try it usually become more susceptible to hypothermia.
Trackers followed Kim's footprints through dense forest and over slippery boulders from one side of the creek to the other.
"I can only describe him as an extremely motivated individual," said Joe Hyatt of the local Swift Water Rescue Team, which tracked him along the creek bed. "There were areas where the only option for us to pass through was to enter the water and physically swim."
Kim was almost certainly dripping wet. It's not known whether he realized he was approaching the Rogue River, but authorities said he wouldn't have found civilization even had he made it to where the creek empties out.
Had Kim known to continue down the logging road from where the car stopped, he soon would have come to a fishing and rafting resort known as Black Bar Lodge. It was vacant for the winter, but rescuers checked it several times, Jackson County Sheriff Mike Winters said.
The Kims left San Francisco on Nov.18 for a combined vacation and work trip for James Kim. They spent Thanksgiving in Seattle with family, then went to Portland, Ore., where they had brunch with a friend Nov. 25.
The family then left on their way to a stopover in Gold Beach. At 8:30 that night, they ate dinner in the central Oregon town of Roseburg, where authorities say they intended to take state Highway 42 over to the coast.
But they missed the turnoff, consulted a map, and decided to drive the 55 miles down Interstate 5 to Grants Pass. There they turned onto Bear Camp Road, which is lightly traveled even in the summer and often is closed in the winter.
It was stormy, and around the 2,300-foot elevation, about 50 miles from their intended destination, James Kim turned off onto the logging road, apparently by mistake. They were soon winding up the mountains, hopelessly lost, authorities said, and finally became stranded in snow.
People who frequently drive in the Sierra say they carry provisions with them, should they become stuck and stranded.
Walt Taguchi of Fresno leads cross-country ski trips for the Sierra Club and teaches lessons to beginners. He carries five to six extra blankets in his car. They double as seat covers for his 1996 Subaru Outback. And he takes extra food and water. He also carries two sets of tire chains ? even though he owns an all-wheel vehicle. "Just in case one breaks, I can put the other one on."
Lt. Joseph Blohm of the Fresno County Sheriff's Department said winter travelers should let others know where they are going in the mountains and when they expect to return. And they should be prepared to spend the night in the mountains, if need be.
No one expects to be stranded in a snowstorm, he said. But every year people find themselves in harrowing situations in the mountains ringing the San Joaquin Valley. "If anyone knew they were going to get stuck, they'd take a whole lot more care," he said. "But I know people who drive up to the snow and don't take a coat because they don't expect to get out of the car."
More information
Be prepared


Tips to prevent becoming stranded or lost, and what to do if you get lost:

Preparation: Have the correct gear for the weather and terrain conditions you will be in.

Let someone know what your plans are -- where you are going,when you expect to return, the type of vehicle you are driving, the type of gear you have with you.

Make sure you have a current map of the area, a Global Positioning System device and and a compass. If you are hiking, topographical maps are the best choice, but have a map with you. Know how to read the map, and use a GPS/compass. Don't rely on your cell phone, because some areas don't have cell coverage.

If traveling by car, carry emergency supplies in your vehicle that include blankets, a flashlight, flares, some food, water and a first-aid kit.

If you become stranded or lost, STAY PUT. Stay warm. And if possible, get out into the open so you can be seen from the air.

Don't panic.

If you need to report someone who is overdue, time is important. Notify the local law enforcement agency as soon as possible, have recent photos, trip itinerary, and type of gear your party has with them as well as personal identifying information and medical concerns.
Sources: Tulare County Sheriff's Department, Fresno County Sheriff's Department, Yosemite National Park rangers.

[GLBLWARMR]

When the story first broke that the family had been found and the father had left to go find help, my first thought was he made it out and was sitting around somewhere hoping that his family would be found dead so he could collect the life insurance. Yeah I know that is some cold hearted sh*t but how can you think anything else with all of the fvcked up people out there. Sticking kids in microwaves, murdering 23 people, murdering 8 people, O.J., Scott Peterson and the long list of people who have drown their own kids. Just read a story about a father who used his 18 month old child as a speed bag to work his hands for his MMA match he had coming up. I figured that this was just another scheme by some screwed in the head dude.

I have been through so many different survival training courses that I could sit here and analyze everything that he did wrong and how he should have done things different but I am not. I apologize to the family for my initial thoughts. I am sorry those two girls will grow up without their real father. James Kim was one of the good ones.

[PARAGON]

I stand corrected. This says they built a "bonfire" out of the car tires later after burning the spare.




"He was making decisions, and she was too, that they thought would be the best for their family to survive," Hastings said. "We should all ask ourselves what we would do in that situation. He was trying to save his family."

The chain of tragic events began as the Kims were completing a Pacific Northwest vacation and heading toward home in San Francisco, where James Kim worked at the tech news site Cnet and the couple owned two stores.

Sometime after dark, the family missed the turnoff on Interstate 5 for state Highway 42 in Roseburg, which would have taken them to Coos Bay and a straight shot to Gold Beach.

The Kims consulted a road map and spotted Bear Camp Road out of Grants Pass, which is a scenic route to the coast during the summer but is a dangerous cliffside path often blocked by snow in the winter.

Once on Bear Camp Road, the Kims made a wrong turn onto the logging road and the weather worsened, Hastings said. The family noticed signs indicating that the road is often closed in winter weather and decided to get out of the area.

By that time, it was snowing hard, and the car became stuck when the Kims tried to turn around. It took a long time -- and a lot of gas -- for the Kims to free the station wagon, and by then they were concerned they didn't have enough fuel to make it back down the mountain.

James Kim drove a little farther back up the road until they found a fork, where they stopped. They thought their silver car would be visible there from the air, Hastings said.

For the next several days, Hastings said, the Kims stayed in their car while it snowed and rained, huddling to stay warm and using the heater only sporadically to save gas. On Nov. 29, the weather started to clear, allowing the Kims to build fires outside the car with magazines, wood they dried out, and eventually the spare tire.

A missing-persons report on the Kims had reached Oregon authorities Nov. 30 and the search began the next day, last Friday. But authorities weren't concentrating on the area west of Grants Pass until Saturday, when they looked up records and detected signals from the family's cell phone.

"It's such a big area," Hastings said. "Our job is to pick at that needle in the haystack, and that was being done."

The Kims had built a bonfire using the car tires last Friday, but it had gone out by late afternoon when Kati Kim said she heard a helicopter. Nobody came for them.

James Kim's body was found only a mile as the crow flies from his car, and the family would have actually reached a cabin had they originally continued down the logging road, authorities said.
"I think the irony can speak for itself," Hastings said. "He went the only way he knew."

[PARAGON]

"He was making decisions, and she was too, that they thought would be the best for their family to survive," Hastings said. "We should all ask ourselves what we would do in that situation. He was trying to save his family."

[BKLYNH2]

I stand corrected. This says they built a "bonfire" out of the car tires later after burning the spare.
OMFG PARAGON conceeded to something!:beerchug:

Can't we all just get along now? .....
It is the holiday time of year you know.

[PARAGON]

OMFG PARAGON conceeded to something!:beerchug:

Can't we all just get along now? .....
It is the holiday time of year you know.STFU duckster:fdance: :D

[Boar-Ral]

Secondly, to not die, don't do stupid stuff. Sh!t will happen enough by itself, no need to help it along.
This is quite different from the response I expected from you, Paragon. :)

I expected something more similar to this:

Don't you people feel the responsibility to speak up and save some lives?
No.
Just bugging. :)

[BKLYNH2]

You know, some duct tape may have made the difference between life and death.

[PARAGON]

You know, some duct tape may have made the difference between life and death.It actually did. The wife used reflective Hurricane Tape (I think that's what it was) taped in a criss-cross pattern on top of an umbrellla to garner attention from the helo.

[Boar-Ral]

Yeah I know that is some cold hearted sh*t but how can you think anything else with all of the fvcked up people out there. Sticking kids in microwaves, murdering 23 people, murdering 8 people, the designer of the Jeep Compass, O.J., Scott Peterson and the long list of people who have drown their own kids.
Just helping out a bit.

[ROX]

Hey Dennis, DRTY and Rocks. What do ya'll keep in your truck, the weather is crazy around you guys.You wouldn't believe the amount of things in my car. My most recent being a 4 person survival bag from the Red Cross. I've been stranded once, a long long time ago. I'm not going to tell you what happened, but it could have been worse. It's something I'll never forget, and I'm always prepared. period.(even before I drove the H2)

Here's a fellow and his family that got stuck in some really crappy weather. When it snows in the Oregon Mtns it puts down feet of snow in a short amount of time. He got caught in it. When he left the car 7 days later, the snow had melted enough, (from what it looked like in the photo) for him to drive away. (When they found the Mom and girls the car was sitting on the PAVEMENT, NOT DIRT OR GRAVEL) They had burned the tires. As for the Mom not being able to leave because she couldn't carry her daughters thru the snow, God was watching over the girls. After 9 days of sitting in one spot, I'm sure most people would have started walking. The fact that Mr. Kim decided to walk into a dense forest canyon instead of walking down the road, is beyond me. Why they didn't start a raging fire underneath a big tree with their spare tire, I cannot understand.

Am I sorry he died? Absolutely. She's a widow with two little kids to raise and he ought to be around to contribute to what kind of ladies his girls become. But there are things to learn from this. Instead, the authorities in Oregon are plastered all over the news saying, "he didn't do anything wrong, he was just trying to save his family." He did do some things wrong and I think those should be pointed out so other people don't make the same mistakes he did.

If this guy had made a wrong turn in the desert......

[Boar-Ral]

I can understand both sides of the argument, here. The ordeal was the result of a series of poor decisions, which in itself is a shame. We can criticize someone for the decisions they made, but I can look back at things I have done, and in retrospect, I should have known better. It was late, and he might have been tired, upset, etc. That can really affect your judgement and cause you to make decisions you might not have in a clear frame of mind.

On the other hand, when he did realize how bad the situation, he did what he felt was right, which itself was another poor decision. His heart was in the right place, even if his mind was not. I think what causes me to be the saddest is that when he died, he probably did not know that his family had been located, and might have assumed they were experiencing the same fate as himself.

I think that the best way that the media could have reported this is with the facts. Just tell it like it is, and leave it up to individuals to respond how they feel appropriate. I shouldn't feel that the media is tugging at my heartstrings the way they are setting it up. I should feel that way -- or not feel that way -- based upon what happened, plain and simple, and how I feel about that.

I would probably still feel badly for him and his family, but at least I would be making that decision completely on my own.

[BKLYNH2]

It actually did. The wife used reflective Hurricane Tape (I think that's what it was) taped in an AHOY! pattern on top of an umbrellla to garnier attention from the helo.
:jump:

[PARAGON]

When he died, he was out of his mind and had no idea of what was going on. He died of exposure. He became a nutcase hours before he actually passed. At least hours.

[PARAGON]

I can understand both sides of the argument, here. The ordeal was the result of a series of poor decisions, which in itself is a shame. We can criticize someone for the decisions they made, but I can look back at things I have done, and in retrospect, I should have known better. It was late, and he might have been tired, upset, etc. That can really affect your judgement and cause you to make decisions you might not have in a clear frame of mind.

On the other hand, when he did realize how bad the situation, he did what he felt was right, which itself was another poor decision. His heart was in the right place, even if his mind was not. I think what causes me to be the saddest is that when he died, he probably did not know that his family had been located, and might have assumed they were experiencing the same fate as himself.

I think that the best way that the media could have reported this is with the facts. Just tell it like it is, and leave it up to individuals to respond how they feel appropriate. I shouldn't feel that the media is tugging at my heartstrings the way they are setting it up. I should feel that way -- or not feel that way -- based upon what happened, plain and simple, and how I feel about that.

I would probably still feel badly for him and his family, but at least I would be making that decision completely on my own.As always it's things like

"made the fateful turn"

"canyon of death"

"minutes from shelter"

"a meticulously planned mission that he was certain would lead to his family's rescue"



Then if you go back and read many of the reports, they are all conflicting. One says his body was found seven miles from the car, another said he was found a mile as the crow flies. One says that he died only hours before his body was found, medical examiner says he can't tell when he died.

[Boar-Ral]

When he died, he was out of his mind and had no idea of what was going on. He died of exposure. He became a nutcase hours before he actually passed. At least hours.
Very true. I never considered that, even though I should have. That was the reason I figured he was going in a circle. (Based on one of the reports, at least.) It never occurred to me that he would not be with it in the final hours.

[Boar-Ral]

As always it's things like

"made the fateful turn"

"canyon of death"

"minutes from shelter"

"a meticulously planned mission that he was certain would lead to his family's rescue"



Then if you go back and read many of the reports, they are all conflicting. One says his body was found seven miles from the car, another said he was found a mile as the crow flies. One says that he died only hours before his body was found, medical examiner says he can't tell when he died.
I started reading more reports today, after being reminded of it here. There are certainly more and more conflicting reports, though in the end, it doesn't matter. It won't bring him back.

[Boar-Ral]

This is the sort of thing that I think most of us are concerned with:

"Official: Kim 'did nothing wrong'

"James Kim did nothing wrong," Hastings said. "He was trying to save his family."

Kim had walked five miles up a road, then five more miles down rugged Big Windy Creek. Despite his long hike, he was only a mile from the car, which was near the road to the lodge.

On Thursday, the Kim house -- with its cheery, red garage door and window sills, perched up a small hill -- stood dark and empty in San Francisco's Noe Valley neighborhood.

A few blocks away, a sign outside Church Street Apothecary, one of the Kims' two boutiques, read: "We will be closed for a few days. Please respect our privacy."

Below the sign, scores of flowers, cards and candles conveyed warm wishes from neighbors.

"Your dad is a hero. Your dad is a great, kind man. He will always love you very much," said a handmade card written in a child's scrawl, signed by "Malia.""

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I just think the guy was not thinking. Smart people do stupid things all the time. My question is where was he going? Did he really think he could go for help? I have no survivor skills but I think (and I said think) I would build a fire. And then the smoke from the fire maybe would attract some attention and then someone would find me. I live in the south, it never snows here, just ice. But I keep a blaket, a pair of tennis shoes and a 12 pack of Diet Dr. Pepper in my car at all times. And most of the time if you look on the floor of the car you can find at least a happy meal of old fries and chicken nuggets. :giggling: We also keep MRE's in the Hummer at all times. But I keep all of that stuff just in case. Why? I don't know will it keep me and my kids alive? No, but it makes me feel better. I don't think anyone is saying that we are happy that this happened. It is a sad thing, lets just learn from this and move on. Everyone here keep some stuff in the truck that could help you. Something like MRE's, a small hatchet, some matches and anything you think might help you out. Hey Dennis, DRTY and Rocks. What do ya'll keep in your truck, the weather is crazy around you guys.
That's good advice. I also keep tools, a blanket, power bars, water and an ammo can full of survival tools in my truck.

There's obviously a lot we can learn from the guy's mistakes. But sooner or later everyone gets in over their head. No one is foresighted enough to know everything, plan for every contingency and make all the right decisions to solve every problem every time.

[DR EVIL]

Moral of the Story:
Next time you are lost and your wife tells you to pull over and get directions....
Do it.
:twak:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Give me a fvcking break.

"Where's your hear of gold, paragon?"

What the fvck is that? Could your pussy hurt any worse?

It's called karma. What goes around comes around. Someday, when you have a heart attack at the parts store, I hope somebody stops to help you instead of saying, "serves you right fatso" and walking off.

[DR EVIL]

That's good advice. I also keep tools, a blanket, power bars, water and an ammo can full of survival tools in my truck.

There's obviously a lot we can learn from the guy's mistakes. But sooner or later everyone gets in over their head. No one is foresighted enough to know everything, plan for every contingency and make all the right decisions to solve every problem every time.
Seems like your taking this thing kinda hard. Would you like a kleenex.....

[DR EVIL]

for your sniffling .....

[DR EVIL]

and whining?

[Donkey_Kong]

It's called karma. What goes around comes around. Someday, when you have a heart attack at the parts store, I hope somebody stops to help you instead of saying, "serves you right fatso" and walking off.


OMFG!!!!!


:OWNED: :jump: :OWNED: :jump: :OWNED:

[KenP]

Starting a large fire on one of those conifers would have gotten them some attention.:clapping:

[BKLYNH2]

so would this

[PARAGON]

It's called karma. What goes around comes around. Someday, when you have a heart attack at the parts store, I hope somebody stops to help you instead of saying, "serves you right fatso" and walking off.What is called karma?

WTF are you whining and carrying on about?

Did you lose the controller to your nintendo or something?

[PARAGON]

OMFG!!!!!




:OWNED: :jump: :OWNED: :jump: :OWNED:
careful or I will out you.;)

[dеiтайожни]

http://static.flickr.com/30/43604549_133e386eb4_o.png

[Donkey_Kong]

careful or I will out you.;)

Sure thing Mr.OJ (The Juice) Simpson! :OWNED:

[PARAGON]

Sure thing Mr.OJ (The Juice) Simpson! :OWNED:Nope, I don't need an AE and you don't have the balls to go down this path.

[Donkey_Kong]

Nope, I don't need an AE and you don't have the balls to go down this path.

You just got :OWNED: with your lies.:clapping:

[wpage]

Lesson Learned. Note to self. When packing for wilderness journey. Pack big tittied mama with lactating tata's. Play close to vest!