Stupid Cop

[JetEyeNite]

I had to go to a supermarket to pickup a few things tonight.
I was at a traffic light making a left turn. All I saw was a police car w/ his flashing lights on parked along side of the street. I was thinking he may have pulled someone over.
As I was trying to turn left, this stupid cop puts down the orange corn to block the road. He gave me crap. I wasn't even going fast either. If he was trying to block the road, he should have parked his car perpendicular to the road and should have some flares going. No, he had none of that. No offense to some of the good police officers out there but this guy was a total moron.
On the way back, he finally had some clues and had his car parked perpendicular to the road and had his flare going. I just had to yell at him.
Sorry, but just venting my frustrations..

[RuggedH2]

California ran an e-mail forum with the topic being "Community Policing." One of the civilian e-mail participants posed the following question: "I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"

From the "other side" (the law enforcement side) a cool cop with a sense of humor replied: "It is not easy. In California we average one cop for every 2000 people. About 60% are on duty at any moment and available for harassing people. So, one cop is responsible for harassing about 10,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial, business, and tourist locations that attract people from other area, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 20,000 or more people a day. A ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds. This gives a cop one-second to harass a person, and three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. Most cops are not up to it day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those, which we harass. They are as follows:

PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. We have a special number set up just for that... 911.

"My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase we use. Then we come out and give special harassment. Another popular one on a weeknight is, "The kids next door are having a party."

CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars blasting music, cars with expired registration and the like. It is lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, are drunk, or have a warrant.

RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.

CODES: When you can think of nothing else to do, there are books that give ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Codes"; Penal, Vehicle, Health and Safety, Business and Professions... They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the code, you can just drive around for a while until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week, I saw a guy smash a car window. Well, the code says that is not allowed. That meant I got permission to harass this guy.

It is a pretty cool system that we have set up, and it works pretty well. I seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because the good citizens who pay the tab like that we keep the streets safe for them.

Next time you are in my town, give me a single finger wave. That is a signal that you wish for me to take a little closer look at you, and maybe I'll find a reason to harass YOU.

[NEOCON1]

LOL :clapping: :beerchug:

[JetEyeNite]

0313H3,
that is relevant to my case, because???
I read that stuff long time ago and it is not funny at all.. :)

[RuggedH2]

I was at a traffic light making a left turn. All I saw was a police car w/ his flashing lights on parked along side of the street.

As I was trying to turn left, this stupid cop puts down the orange corn to block the road. He gave me crap. I wasn't even going fast either. If he was trying to block the road, he should have parked his car perpendicular to the road and should have some flares going. No, he had none of that. No offense to some of the good police officers out there but this guy was a total moron.

On the way back, he finally had some clues and had his car parked perpendicular to the road and had his flare going. I just had to yell at him.


Luke Skywalker,

From what you wrote, it sounds like he was just starting to set up whatever he was doing, when you first passed. The orange "corn" or flashing lights should have been a clue for you. You are probably the moron in his mind.

He deals with people like you everyday, probably doesn't post about it whining on the internet.

By the time you got back, you felt the need to yell at him for doing his job (probably scene protection or something having to do with others not becoming endangered). Of course you are a professional at this type of work and know exactly how he should have went about setting it up.

Trust me when I tell you that everybody thinks they are innocent always, and if they aren't, they lie about it. No matter how perfectly (text book) you set up a traffic control situation, some (Moron) will find a way to f*ck it up, guaranteed. They will then blame the cop - without fail.

[K9sH3]

Everyone has a bad day, maybe the both of you were in the wrong in some way or another.
Last Saturday night I had some car fly up on my ass about midnight and was tail gating me for a long time. So like the dumbass I am, I decided to turn on the rear facing Piaa's... Bad idea! that ******* tailgater was a cop. He decided to turn on all his over head lights. At that time I think my balls went into hiding.

[dеiтайожни]

Everyone has a bad day, maybe the both of you were in the wrong in some way or another.
Last Saturday night I had some car fly up on my ass about midnight and was tail gating me for a long time. So like the dumbass I am, I decided to turn on the rear facing Piaa's... Bad idea! that ******* tailgater was a cop. He decided to turn on all his over head lights. At that time I think my balls went into hiding.

You were justified in turning your lights on there, IMO! I had a cop come up on me on the interstate, as I was doing a little over 90... he had no lights on and nearly hit my bumper. I was thinking, oh ****... but he flashed his lights as if he wanted me to move into the semi truck in the next lane so he could pass. He was being such a dick for a couple minutes as I tried to get over. At least he didn't pull me over!

[H Duece]

Like someone suggested above, the cop was probably just starting to set up the means to correctly block off the lane (it looks like that was the case since you said he had flares set up and his vehicle positioned better the next time you passed by him). You think you can just snap your fingers and have your vehicle positioned correctly, cones set up, and flares burning?

In Florida we have a law that you must vacate the lane next to the cop who has pulled someone over. In other words, if a cop has someone pulled over, then you cannot drive in the lane closest to the cop. Do you have any idea how many cops die from being hit by passing vehicles because the f*ckin' moron drivers think it's okay to drive 65mph in the lane right next to the cop and end up hitting him?

Next time you get in that situation, how about slowing down, moving the f*ck over, going straight, and making a u-turn at the next median break?

By the way, I'm a deputy sheriff. I let people off with warnings all the time for speeding, running red lights, tailgating, etc. But I will write a "failure to move over" ticket in a heartbeat because idiots like you think that they can put the cops life in danger because they're in a hurry to buy milk and eggs. :fdance:

[jdrew]

H Duece 10 points! :beerchug: Cheers brother

[KenP]

In other words, if a cop has someone pulled over, then you cannot drive in the lane closest to the cop. I see those signs on the highway all the time and have no problem heeding them. Wish others acted the same.

Next time you get in that situation, how about slowing down, moving the f*ck over, going straight, and making a u-turn at the next median break? No one is bright enough to do that....

I will write a "failure to move over" ticket in a heartbeat because idiots like you think that they can put the cops life in danger because they're in a hurry to buy milk and eggs. :fdance:Spot on SPANK!!! Got to back up the LEO's in this. Slow down and get the hell out of their way.

BTW, a buddy of mine that's a VA State Trooper calls the blue lights on his cruiser "Drunk Magnets", or something like that. Obviously why....

[DRTYFN]

Got to back up the LEO's in this. Slow down and get the hell out of their way.

X2

[CO Hummer]

Next time you are in my town, give me a single finger wave. That is a signal that you wish for me to take a little closer look at you, and maybe I'll find a reason to harass YOU.

This the exactly the kind of B.S. that gives cops a bad name.

Cops are not drafted or forced to do their job. They are paid professsionals, that's it. I get so sick of moronic cops that have this attitude that if you "rub them the wrong way" they are justified in bending the law to harass you.

No......I don't have anything against all cops. I have family members in law enforcement.

[JetEyeNite]

Did I say I was speeding? Hell NO!.
I said I yelled at him.. I didn't give him the middle finger solute J

If this was during the day time, orange cone should be visible. But this was at night making orange cone less visible.
I would think flare should be the 1st thing he should set up in a dark area to make things obvious. Parking his car perpendicular to the road he is trying to block would make things obvious.
He had his car parked on the side quite a bit from where he was putting the orange cone.


Believe me, I don't want to be in there way. All I am saying is, he should have done things differently if he is a paid professional.

Professional? I don't think so.

[Dug]

The initial setting up or tearing down of a road block or lane change is the most dangerous time for construction workers and would think for police officers. There is more confusion and higher percentage of accidents when the construction workers are setting up directional signs and putting out cones or taking them down then there is after theyre all set up. Please go slow around workers and law enforcement , I think most people would decide they werent in as much of a rush as they thought they were after they ran somebody over. I have seen it first hand , shoes flying one way and a body flying the other way. Drive safely around job sites please. doug

[JamesT]

Like someone suggested above, the cop was probably just starting to set up the means to correctly block off the lane (it looks like that was the case since you said he had flares set up and his vehicle positioned better the next time you passed by him). You think you can just snap your fingers and have your vehicle positioned correctly, cones set up, and flares burning?

In Florida we have a law that you must vacate the lane next to the cop who has pulled someone over. In other words, if a cop has someone pulled over, then you cannot drive in the lane closest to the cop. Do you have any idea how many cops die from being hit by passing vehicles because the f*ckin' moron drivers think it's okay to drive 65mph in the lane right next to the cop and end up hitting him?

Next time you get in that situation, how about slowing down, moving the f*ck over, going straight, and making a u-turn at the next median break?

By the way, I'm a deputy sheriff. I let people off with warnings all the time for speeding, running red lights, tailgating, etc. But I will write a "failure to move over" ticket in a heartbeat because idiots like you think that they can put the cops life in danger because they're in a hurry to buy milk and eggs. :fdance:

From one ex cop..:iagree: :clapping:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Did I say I was speeding? Hell NO!.
I said I yelled at him.. I didn't give him the middle finger solute J

If this was during the day time, orange cone should be visible. But this was at night making orange cone less visible.
I would think flare should be the 1st thing he should set up in a dark area to make things obvious. Parking his car perpendicular to the road he is trying to block would make things obvious.
He had his car parked on the side quite a bit from where he was putting the orange cone.


Believe me, I don't want to be in there way. All I am saying is, he should have done things differently if he is a paid professional.

Professional? I don't think so.

Watch out. You keep arguing like this with the wrong people your gona get BANNED>>>

RYD

[JetEyeNite]

READ the fu*king thread you morons..
I've just talked to an ex-cop and he said that the police officers should use their best judgments when they block off the street.
IT WAS NIGHT TIME and he should have setup his flares and should have positioned his car 1st. correctly.

I see a lot of morons here who lack common sense.
What is more visible at night? Flare and a police car parked perpendicular to the road he is blocking? Or, orange cones and parking his car about 50 feet away from the road he was blocking parked parallel to the street?

Obviously, he figured out that the flares and parking his care perpendicular to the road he was blocking was more appropriate later..

This stupid cop was probably too lazy to set up the flare thinking who was going to drive on that road at 8PM.

Oh, by the way, we don?t have stupid rule like people in Florida. There must be a lot of stupid people in Florida who lack common sense.

[JamesT]

READ the fu*king thread you morons..
I've just talked to an ex-cop and he said that the police officers should use their best judgments when they block off the street.
IT WAS NIGHT TIME and he should have setup his flares and should have positioned his car 1st. correctly.

I see a lot of morons here who lack common sense.
What is more visible at night? Flare and a police car parked perpendicular to the road he is blocking? Or, orange cones and parking his car about 50 feet away from the road he was blocking parked parallel to the street?

Obviously, he figured out that the flares and parking his care perpendicular to the road he was blocking was more appropriate later..

This stupid cop was probably too lazy to set up the flare thinking who was going to drive on that road at 8PM.

Oh, by the way, we don?t have stupid rule like people in Florida. There must be a lot of stupid people in Florida who lack common sense.

:popcorn: :crying:

[GLBLWARMR]

READ the fu*king thread you morons.. First off let me be as intellectual as you and say FVCK YOU.

I've just talked to an ex-cop and he said that the police officers should use their best judgments when they block off the street.
IT WAS NIGHT TIME and he should have setup his flares and should have positioned his car 1st. correctly. Do you know what the fvcking situation was?? Do you know why or how long the situation had been going on?? Do you know police procedures??

I see a lot of morons here who lack common sense.
What is more visible at night? Flare and a police car parked perpendicular to the road he is blocking? Or, orange cones and parking his car about 50 feet away from the road he was blocking parked parallel to the street? Maybe you were just trying to be a dickhead!!!

Obviously, he figured out that the flares and parking his care perpendicular to the road he was blocking was more appropriate later..

This stupid cop was probably too lazy to set up the flare thinking who was going to drive on that road at 8PM. I don't think so!!!

Oh, by the way, we don?t have stupid rule like people in Florida. There must be a lot of stupid people in Florida who lack common sense.

To me it seems that you were looking to be a fuktard and you proved it.

[h2co-pilot]

Watch out. You keep arguing like this with the wrong people your gona get BANNED>>>

RYD

Geez, go rub sum ointment on your mangina. Dew now.:D

I love Cops btw.:)

[JetEyeNite]

Some of you guys assumed too much.
I never said I passed him when I saw the orange cone.
I had to turn around and take some other road to get to where I was going.

Did I break any law? No
Did I do something wrong? No.. maybe for yelling at him later that he should have set up the flares earlier..

Did he perform his job correctly first place? No
Was he a professional at his job? No
As a public servant, does he have to curse and yell at people because he screwed up? No

Why am I wasting my time arguing with some morons who don?t even know all the facts?
I learned my lesson here.. don?t argue with the fools.. they?ll make you a fool also..
There? I said it.. I am a fool for creating this thread? I should have just vented my frustration somewhere else..

My official topologies to the some of the fine police officers who perform their jobs.

[PARAGON]

Some of you guys assumed too much.
I never said I passed him when I saw the orange cone.
I had to turn around and take some other road to get to where I was going.

Did I break any law? No
Did I do something wrong? No.. maybe for yelling at him later that he should have set up the flares earlier..

Did he perform his job correctly first place? No
Was he a professional at his job? No
As a public servant, does he have to curse and yell at people because he screwed up? No

Why am I wasting my time arguing with some morons who don?t even know all the facts?
I learned my lesson here.. don?t argue with the fools.. they?ll make you a fool also..
There? I said it.. I am a fool for creating this thread? I should have just vented my frustration somewhere else..

My official topologies to the some of the fine police officers who perform their jobs.
grow up

[K9sH3]

I think you did good by venting here. Its part of what we do here in these threads, Yeah sometimes they get heated and sometimes you won't get a single reply. But I believe its all in good taste and there is really no harm done in saying what you think.
What I do like most about the people here on this site is that most are 100% behind our soldiers and police officers. So whenever a thread is going on about them, you are going to have a hot thread.
So cheers :beerchug: to you for standing up for what you believed in.
But please do me a favor, don't yell at the police, the job isn't as easy as one may think.

[PARAGON]

This the exactly the kind of B.S. that gives cops a bad name.

Cops are not drafted or forced to do their job. They are paid professsionals, that's it. I get so sick of moronic cops that have this attitude that if you "rub them the wrong way" they are justified in bending the law to harass you.

No......I don't have anything against all cops. I have family members in law enforcement.No, it's not.

Flipping off a LEO is a sure sign something is up and gives reason for the LEO to check that person out further. What if it was some whack job that was banged out of his mind and had a hankering to do some killing and thought the Po-Po was was nothing but a joke.... so flip them off.

Open disrespect of authority for no apparent reason is a great way to get looked at closer. It's not a cop using his position to harass, it's using their training to identify a potential BG before he doesn't something rash.

If a person did something like that and then committed a crime, the same whiners here would be complaining that the LEO didn't do anything to stop the guy when he was obviously disturbed.

[GLBLWARMR]

JetEyeNite,

Even when officers are doing what they are supposed sh*t happens. Do not give the cops a hard time their job is hard enough and then having to worry about other idiots behind the wheel. This story is from August of this year and it was my uncle (17 year veteran) that was hit.

Vehicle hits state trooper on highway

By Elizabeth Dinan
GREENLAND -- While directing traffic around a storm-toppled tree on Interstate 95 Wednesday night, a state police trooper was hit by a car driven by an 83-year-old Massachusetts man.
According to State Police Troop A reports, two state police cruisers were parked in the southbound lane of the interstate in Greenland at about 8:30 p.m. Wednesday, both with emergency blue lights activated, while troopers directed traffic around the fallen tree in the breakdown and first lanes.
State police report that a four-door Toyota, driven by William Dillion, 83, of 45 Chase Road, Waltham, Mass., struck the rear of one of the police cruisers, causing Dillion's car to spin out of control and into an area where troopers were working to remove the tree from the road.
Police said Dillion's car then hit Sgt. James White, who was in the breakdown lane, sending him into nearby trees.
The trooper was transported to Portsmouth Regional Hospital by Greenland Fire and Rescue, and according to Troop A, had been released by Thursday morning. A state police spokesman said White was treated for lacerations to his head and received "lots of bruises."
Dillion and his passenger were uninjured, according to Troop A, which described the accident as under investigation by Sgt. Timothy Hackett, who is off-duty until Aug. 8.

[RuggedH2]

Humans have an infinite capacity to rationalize and justify their own behavior (especially to themselves). Drug dealers have the ability to make the gigantic leap - that they are innocent somehow because of their individual circumstances (whatever they are).

Laws are a black and white standard, they are made up of elements of the crime. If you met the elements, you committed the crime. In court is where your attorney can argue the circumstances and the gray area can be interpreted (or created), it works for you or not.

People don't generally tell doctors how the practice of medicine should be handled, because they assume the doctor is a professional. Police are routinely told how they should have handled every circumstance when in contact with the public.

It is a thankless job often. In many ways people are sheep, they assume their own safety. They leave valuables out in their cars. Then when the bad guy smashes out their window and takes their stuff they are pissed that the cop was not there to stop that conduct. There are not enough cops to protect absolutely everyone at the same time.

I could go on and on here. Think of any profession in the world, what if they took one hour off. One hour without doctors, at 12:30 to 1:30 this afternoon there would be no doctors, what would happen? Some people would obviously die. What would happen if everyone knew that all the police in the world were not going to be working from 12:30 to 1:30 this afternoon?

People are a lot like sheep. They fear the wolf. The sheep dog protects them from the wolf, the sheepdog looks a lot like a wolf to the sheep.

[jdrew]

:twak: :crying: :rolleyes:

[CO Hummer]

No, it's not.

Flipping off a LEO is a sure sign something is up and gives reason for the LEO to check that person out further. What if it was some whack job that was banged out of his mind and had a hankering to do some killing and thought the Po-Po was was nothing but a joke.... so flip them off.

Can you point to the paragraph in the constitution that allows unreasonable measures based on a "hunch"? Even if the hunch is correct, the ends do not justify the means. Talk to 'ol Ben Franklin about that. He was right.

Open disrespect of authority for no apparent reason is a great way to get looked at closer. It's not a cop using his position to harass, it's using their training to identify a potential BG before he doesn't something rash.

Open disrespect for authority, although not adviseable, is not illegal. It is no doubt stupid based on what it will bring you. But the point of discussion here is not the result, it's the means. The end result does NOT justify those means. That's a fundamental assersion inherent in the constitution.

[RuggedH2]

CO Hummer,

That letter was meant as a joke (obviously), not to be taken seriously.

On a serious issue, when I was a brand new rookie, my sergeant was driving an unmarked unit with poor lighting in the rear, just a couple of red and blue strobes. He stopped to help a young lady with two children in her car that had broken down in the left lane. Before he could get her vehicle moved to the shoulder, he was struck by a speeding vehicle in the rear of his car. He died on impact. That was my first week there.

I am a firearms and tactics instructor at my agency, I have trained three police officers that have been killed by gunfire in my state. I have lost two other friends in my line of work to traffic accidents (none were their fault). I have served in law enforcement for only ten years.

[CO Hummer]

CO Hummer,

That letter was meant as a joke (obviously), not to be taken seriously.

I know. But it hit upon a real and prevailing attitude with a lot of cops.


BTW - I'm NOT in favor of flying by cops at 65mph. I don't think you should do that to anyone. The fact that they are law enforcement officers is irrelevant.

[RuggedH2]

Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....

Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.

[CO Hummer]

Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....

Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.

I have, many times. My sister is a cop.

[jdrew]

Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....

Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.

Was just getting ready to say that...

[CO Hummer]

Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....

Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.

This is simply another pragmatic argument.

What if I say "I'm a very busy person and have a very little free time. So, I need to driver faster than the speed limit. If you walked a mile in my shoes, you'd understand." ;) You'd probably throw something at me that says "well, the law is the law and you broke it". But, that is actually MY point.

[jdrew]

This is simply another pragmatic argument.

What if I say "I'm a very busy person and have a very little free time. So, I need to driver faster than the speed limit. If you walked a mile in my shoes, you'd understand." ;) You'd probably throw something at me that says "well, the law is the law and you broke it". But, that is actually MY point.


Naw, I would say, "Leave 10 min earlier." lol

[KenP]

Until you've walked a mile in their shoes.....

Please take the opportunity to go on a "ride along" with your local police. They do this often for the public, it might be a real eye opener.I've done "ride alongs" a few times and had a great time. Some punk ass bitch showed us respect by throwing an empty malt liquor bottle at us in a heavily patrolled ghetto. It was pretty sweet the way he was taken down by several officers.:giggling: (I've never done a ride-along in Va Beach. No fun and excitement.)

[CO Hummer]

I've done "ride alongs" a few times and had a great time. Some punk ass bitch showed us respect by throwing an empty malt liquor bottle at us in a heavily patrolled ghetto. It was pretty sweet the way he was taken down by several officers.:giggling: (I've never done a ride-along in Va Beach. No fun and excitement.)

The funniest ridealong I did was when we pulled over a drunk driver. Watching that guy try to do the roadside sobriety test was hilarious. But it got better when she put him in the car. He was all over me, telling me how it was illegal for me to be there and how he was going to sue me, etc, etc. I didn't say a word. Just kept a big grin on my face. :)

[PARAGON]

Can you point to the paragraph in the constitution that allows unreasonable measures based on a "hunch"? Even if the hunch is correct, the ends do not justify the means. Talk to 'ol Ben Franklin about that. He was right.



Open disrespect for authority, although not adviseable, is not illegal. It is no doubt stupid based on what it will bring you. But the point of discussion here is not the result, it's the means. The end result does NOT justify those means. That's a fundamental assersion inherent in the constitution.Welp, there are one or two items that I can point to that are not covered in the Constitution. Most have to do with local, State and Federal code.

How did this jump to "unreasonable measures"? Or where does "hunch" fall into this? Flipping off a LEO is no different than swerving once while driving down the interstate. All it does if bring the attention of the LEO to check on you further. I don't think anyone advocates that it means that said LEO could search your person or vehicle without further cause, but it would mean he could simply pull you over for that act and ask why you did it to be sure he continues to protect the public. There's no hunch that someone randomly acting in anger to authority might be disturbed or acting upon some other motive.

It's insane to think that some guy flipping off a LEO SHOULDN'T get the attention of LEOs, if, for nothing else, to be sure that the guy is stable. No different than following a car or stopping a car for various other reasons.

[RuggedH2]

I have, many times. My sister is a cop.

I would take for granted then, that she is a professional and takes her duties and oath seriously "to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States".

If she developed an "attitude" about dealing with someone who might flip her off, (the part you seem concerned about) maybe that is a consequence of her everyday circumstances. How bout cutting her some slack?

I have lost almost a friend a year at work, and take sh*t from bad guys everyday that I work. I have been told how I should do my job almost everyday by the public. I must be a moron, except that I have been promoted by my agency to supervise other cops.

It is easy to sit back and point out the failings of others, no one is judged with hindsight like police. Yes, I am now whining on the internet also.

[dеiтайожни]

I have been told how I should do my job almost everyday by the public. I must be a moron, except that I have been promoted by my agency to supervise other cops.

It is easy to sit back and point out the failings of others, no one is judged with hindsight like police. Yes, I am now whining on the internet also.

What you should've done was type that in bold. Maybe some pictures as well?

[KenP]

The first ride-along I did sucked. The officer was reactive, not-proactive. He just sat around waiting for a call, not really making himself visible.

My third ride-along was the best. It was set up by my Trooper friend. I rode with a buddy of his on the Portsmouth PD. AWESOME!!!

Right out of the box we went to a place called "Hell's Kitchen" by way of curb hopping, driving through the basketball courts, etc. Got there just in time for a Narc bust. The officer told me to watch my back if I got out since I was wearing a tie and jacket.:eek: I got out, but kept looking around.

Then we had the bottle winged at us.

Later we hit another ghetto and damn if he didn't go chasing some other thug.

Again, none of this happened at the Beach. I doubt "Cops" will ever come here again. Did you see that episode? Boring....

Had the unfortunate chance to see this the day after Thanksgiving:
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=114932&ran=242759
State trooper hit, killed by driver on U.S. 58 near Emporia

http://media.hamptonroads.com/media/content/pilotonline/2006/11/hill-robert75.jpg
Robert A. Hill Sr.

http://media.hamptonroads.com/images/space.gif By LINDA MCNATT AND STEVE STONE, The Virginian-Pilot
? November 25, 2006 | Last updated 12:36 PM Nov. 27

SOUTHAMPTON - A State Police trooper was struck by a passing car and killed Friday as he stood on the side of U.S. 58 after issuing a summons to a motorist.
Robert A. Hill Sr., 42, of Courtland, was outside of his unmarked patrol car near Adams Grove, about six miles east of Emporia, said State Police spokesman Sgt. D.S. Carr.
Hill had served nearly 20 years with the State Police.
"This incredible tragedy is not only impacting the members of our department, but those within the Franklin and Southampton communities," said Col. W. Steven Flaherty, superintendent of the State Police.

[PARAGON]

The fact that they are law enforcement officers is irrelevant.Again, I disagree. And I think that is where the rub is here and with most.

LEO's are just civis doing another job, correct. But they answer to and are the enforcement of the law of the land. As an extension of that law, when you disrespect an officer, you disrespect that law. You cannot conveniently separate the two just because there are some bad apples that don't handle their responsibility as a LEO very well.

The fact that an LEO is stopped on the side of the road with in a traffic enforcement situation might seem like any other job. But the fact is that he might need to evade some delusional lunatic and take a step out into traffic to keep from getting sliced, or shot. The fact that he is a LEO is completely relevant.

[RuggedH2]

What you should've done was type that in bold. Maybe some pictures as well?

Thanks Dei, I'll keep that in mind next time.

[KenP]

I can't find a pic of Frog flipping off Sheriff Buford T. Justice.;)

[dеiтайожни]

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[JetEyeNite]

Oh my gosh? what have I done???
Don?t get me wrong. I do respect the police officers. I was pissed off because he did not set up the flares and did not have the police car blocking the road. All he was doing was putting 3 orange cones. Like I said before, it was dark and that cones were not visible.
I was not speeding at all either; I generally don?t drive fast. I stopped at the light, and tried to make a left turn, then I saw the orange cones. So, I stopped again and try to turn around and this is when the police officer yelled and cursed.
All I am saying here is that he should have setup the flares 1st so that the general public could see that the road was closed.
I did not flip him off. All I told him was that he should have setup the flares 1st instead of yelling and cursing.

[Steve - SanJose]

I lost interest halfway through this thread...

[CO Hummer]

I would take for granted then, that she is a professional and takes her duties and oath seriously "to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States".

If she developed an "attitude" about dealing with someone who might flip her off, (the part you seem concerned about) maybe that is a consequence of her everyday circumstances. How bout cutting her some slack?

I have lost almost a friend a year at work, and take sh*t from bad guys everyday that I work. I have been told how I should do my job almost everyday by the public. I must be a moron, except that I have been promoted by my agency to supervise other cops.

It is easy to sit back and point out the failings of others, no one is judged with hindsight like police. Yes, I am now whining on the internet also.

Yes, you are whining on the internet.

Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her? :rolleyes:

Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.

[PARAGON]

Yes, you are whining on the internet.

Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her? :rolleyes:

Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.

Springs police officer killed during traffic stop


By ANSLEE WILLETT THE GAZETTE

A Colorado Springs patrol officer shot while helping two other cops with a traffic stop late Monday on the city's southeast side died early today.

The officer, whose name is expected to be released later today, was pronounced dead at 12:18 a.m. at Memorial Hospital. He's the second city police officer killed this year in the line of duty.

The alleged killer also was shot during the gun battle about 11:30 p.m. Monday on Fountain Boulevard between Murray Boulevard and Jet Wing Drive. He was taken to the hospital in critical condition and is expected to survive, police said. His name has not been released.

The second officer


wasn't wounded. A third officer was in a patrol car at the scene when the shooting occurred.

The officer who was killed was providing backup for the cop who pulled the car over at 11:14 p.m. on the bridge that crosses Sand Creek. The driver was believed to be driving under the influence of alcohol, but it wasn't clear if that was suspected before or after the traffic stop, said Sgt. Mark Stevens, a spokesman for the Police Department.

"Normally, if an officer does a traffic stop, he talks to the driver," Stevens said, "and if he feels he needs assistance, he will call for help."

When two of the officers approached the car in the westbound lanes, the driver opened fire on them, Stevens said. The officer who was fatally wounded was near the driver's door when he was shot.

Hours after the shooting, about a dozen police cars remained at the scene. At least nine orange cones near the alleged killer's car marked evidence, including shell casings. Police slowly walked up and down the westbound and eastbound lanes, using flashlights to look for more evidence.

"It's just sad. Two in one year," Lt. Rafael Cintron said, referring to how many officers have been killed.

Officer Jared Jensen, 30, was killed Feb. 22 near Memorial Park while trying to arrest a fugitive. He was shot once in the face from less than an inch away at a bus bench at Costilla Street and Hancock Avenue. His gun wasn't drawn.

Jensen's alleged killer, 31-year-old Jereme Lamberth, was charged with first-degree murder. Federal agents found Lamberth hiding in an abandoned cabin near South Nevada Avenue and Interstate 25 about 90 minutes after the shooting.

Lamberth was wanted at the time for allegedly stabbing his sister about a dozen times.

Lamberth was expected last month to enter his plea in Jensen's killing, but it was postponed until Jan. 25. Prosecutors will have 60 days from the arraignment to announce whether they'll seek the death penalty.

[PARAGON]

Yes, you are whining on the internet.

Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her? :rolleyes:

Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.On behalf of the rest of the American Public, I don't support your sentiment.

You're right, the public doesn't "owe" him or any other LEO anything, but they deserve more.

[jdrew]

Can anyone tell me what the part number for the muffler bearing is?


:popcorn:

[dеiтайожни]

Can anyone tell me what the part number for the muffler bearing is?


:popcorn:

OFF-TOPIC !!

[jdrew]

OFF-TOPIC !!


ya think?

[CO Hummer]

As an extension of that law, when you disrespect an officer, you disrespect that law.

No way, never. I am not required to respect the law. I am only required to obey it. There is a huge difference. Likewise, I am not required to respect any officer, only obey him so far as he acts within his legal authority. If I can flip off an everyday Joe for driving like and idiot, I can flip off a police officer for doing the same. They can earn my respect, and they will get it. But it is NOT something that anyone can demand, just based on a voluntary decision to take a paid civil service job.

The fact that an LEO is stopped on the side of the road with in a traffic enforcement situation might seem like any other job. But the fact is that he might need to evade some delusional lunatic and take a step out into traffic to keep from getting sliced, or shot.

The fact that he is a LEO is completely relevant.

No, it's not. Your argument, like many others', presupposes that the police officer does not make a voluntary choice to choose his employment and the associated risks. Killing an "civilian" is no different than killing a police officer. Both are equal.

[CO Hummer]

You're right, the public doesn't "owe" him or any other LEO anything, but they deserve more.

You'll need to define "deserve". What do they deserve?

[dеiтайожни]

ya think?

Not very often.

[RuggedH2]

Yes, you are whining on the internet.

Who are you to give me advise on how to deal with my sister. "Cut her some slack"? What? Do you know anything about her? :rolleyes:

Do you remember that you took the paid job as police officer - voluntarily? You are not "owed" anything by the public. If you don't like your job or require reverence for your position, then quit and pursue another profession.

CO Hummer,

It is obvious I will not succeed in swaying your opinions at all.

I was simply trying to defend my occupation and those that practice law enforcement. I don't know your sister, I assumed she is professional, (as I would with all cops until they show me otherwise) if you took my meaning wrong, I'm sorry.

Cops are not perfect they just do the best they can with what they have, they make mistakes like everybody else. They are held to the highest standards. If in trouble, they will pay a higher price.

I love my job and try to be laid back in my approach with the public. Respect is a two way street. If you give it you get it. It doesn't always work, but I always try. :beerchug:

[CO Hummer]

CO Hummer,

It is obvious I will not succeed in swaying your opinions at all.

I was simply trying to defend my occupation and those that practice law enforcement. I don't know your sister, I assumed she is professional, (as I would with all cops until they show me otherwise) if you took my meaning wrong, I'm sorry.

Cops are not perfect they just do the best they can with what they have, they make mistakes like everybody else. They are held to the highest standards. If in trouble, they will pay a higher price.

I love my job and try to be laid back in my approach with the public. Respect is a two way street. If you give it you get it. It doesn't always work, but I always try. :beerchug:

You are correct, you'll not sway my opinions. :D

But if you think my opinion of law officers is that they are all bad, corrupt, or act illegally, then you are dead wrong. I believe a number of them take the position with an intent of doing good for the public, not just to make living. I tip my hat to those guys, and you are possibly one of them. The majority of police officers take the position because they simply like doing the work, love the commaradere, and make a decent living. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that either. You don't have to have an inherent love for the public to simply do the job, accept the risks, and get paid.

[PARAGON]

No way, never. I am not required to respect the law. I am only required to obey it. There is a huge difference. Likewise, I am not required to respect any officer, only obey him so far as he acts within his legal authority. If I can flip off an everyday Joe for driving like and idiot, I can flip off a police officer for doing the same. They can earn my respect, and they will get it. But it is NOT something that anyone can demand, just based on a voluntary decision to take a paid civil service job.respect and obey, is the same thing. To disrespect law is the same as to ignore it. I am not saying that's what you meant, but that is what I meant when I say respect.

To respect a LEO and the Law has nothing to do with the individual officer. It is your duty as a citizen to abide by the laws of the land and respect those laws as you are required to do to live within that land.

You are, indeed, required to respect law. If you do not, you pay the price with your freedom. The definition of respect as used here is not to hold a person in regard, but the acknowledgement of that that exists... the law.

I'm not sure why you have such disdain for civil service. You turn the fact that someone that volunteers for crappy pay on job where they are highly likely to get killed by the scum of our society would be somehow less than the same if said person was forced into that same job.

The very fact that these individual DO volunteer to do this should garner a little respect and I can't fathom why it's such a stretch to do so.

[PARAGON]

You'll need to define "deserve". What do they deserve?look it up... I would think you meant to ask to define "more"

[CO Hummer]

I'm not sure why you have such disdain for civil service. You turn the fact that someone that volunteers for crappy pay on job where they are highly likely to get killed by the scum of our society would be somehow less than the same if said person was forced into that same job.

The very fact that these individual DO volunteer to do this should garner a little respect and I can't fathom why it's such a stretch to do so.

If you think I have a disdain for civil service, then you haven't been reading what I've written. This sounds like an emotional response to my posts. Whether I "care about" or "disdain" civil servants is completely irrelavant to the discussion. The fact that a person is NOT required to do the job means a lot. He can be admired, and respected. But it is not a requirement, nor does anyone inherently "deserve" respect. To determine whether someone "deserves" respect is based on ethics. You can't arbitrarily blend ethics into the discussion.

I do, in fact, respect those officers that take the position to truly serve the public. For those that don't (ie. just treating it as a job, and nothing more) I simply have no extra respect or disrespect.

[RuggedH2]

What we see, depends largely on where we stand. I don't know where you formed your opinions about police.

You don't have to respect a judge either, (and I've had several that I have disagreed with) but, they have never witnessed any disrespect from me.

They know facts that are unknown to others, and make decisions that in light of those facts, I have disagreed with. If I were to act that with the same level of disrespect to that judge as some members of the public have acted with me, I would not only be fired, but would be rotting with the other "Protective Custody" inmates in jail.

I realize my job is different, I don't expect respect. I do think it's funny though when some arrested person who has been acting completely out of there minds while dealing with the police, gets to the jail. Corrections guys don't take nearly the crap those of us on the street are forced to deal with.

[PARAGON]

If you think I have a disdain for civil service, then you haven't been reading what I've written. This sounds like an emotional response to my posts.quite frankly, I have read exactly what you've written. You offer no personal respect to the individual who puts his life on the line for YOUR and your family's well being... that's disdain.
Whether I "care about" or "disdain" civil servants is completely irrelavant to the discussion.No, it's not. It's the basis you are using to argue your point. If you are using an emotional position to provide for argument, then there's really no point as common sense really wouldn't make much sense because you can't argue emotion.

The fact that a person is NOT required to do the job means a lot. care to explain? do you not feel any respect for anyone that served in the Armed Forces either? Someone that wasn't required but chose to do something that could easily cost them their life is still doing the same job as someone forced. He can be admired, and respected. But it is not a requirement, nor does anyone inherently "deserve" respect. To determine whether someone "deserves" respect is based on ethics. You can't arbitrarily blend ethics into the discussion.I still don't think you understand. Respect for the law is not admiration nor adoration. It is acknowledgement thereof and your civil agreement to abide by it. When a LEO dons his badge he is an extension of that law and as a citizen you are most certainly required to respect him and that law. Not respect as in think he is a really cool guy, but respect as in respect the deadliness of a firearm, respect the danger of rock climbing, respect the forces of nature, etc.

That is the term I originally used and to say you don't have to respect an LEO or the law is the same as saying it's OK to disobey the laws.

I believe that is where much of this is misunderstood. Secondly, it seems you are breaking this down to the personal level and not at the law/legal/pragmatic level. I have no regard for any LEO that abuses the authority offered him by his badge and don't think it provides an excuse for anything but personally respectable behavior.

[jdrew]

Corrections guys don't take nearly the crap those of us on the street are forced to deal with.


I was following you until you said that...:confused:


Care to explain?

[RuggedH2]

I don't want to get into a lot of individual circumstances, but one for an example;

I took an intoxicated, fighting badass, multiple felon, - to jail for beating a lady he didn't know, in front of her children. He fought me and several other police officers and spit several times on the way to jail.

At jail intake, during the searching process he spit on the corrections guy and pissed on the wall. They jumped on him, stripped him naked, hog tied him and wiped up the pee with his own clothes. Then hauled him in the back to complete the booking process. It might not be right, but I left smiling.

I'm not trying to act like a cop here. I'm sorry I brought up my occupation now. Here, I am just a guy with an opinion. The title of the thread inspired me to give mine.

[CO Hummer]

care to explain? do you not feel any respect for anyone that served in the Armed Forces either?

THEN.......

Respect for the law is not admiration nor adoration. It is acknowledgement thereof and your civil agreement to abide by it.

Hey man. Look at what you wrote! You ask me if I "feel" any respect, then you call it a behavior. You are right - I'm not necessarily getting what you've been refering to about "respect".

If respect is a feeling - I have admiration and adoration for some, and not for others. Not a big deal, and you are not arguing that.

If respect means to "act legally", then I agree that everyone should do so (presupposing that law is 'good', of course).

But whole tone of offering 'respect' for law officers, military personnel, or whatever has been to the tune of "they deserve more than others based of the risks they take". If respect is simply about obeying the law (as you say), then it's nonsensical to talk about respecting one more than another. You can "obey more" or "act more legally" to someone.

[jdrew]

Ok, I deal with that daily from intakes or anyone of the other 500+ inmates..

I'm still trying to figure out why on the street is harder than behind the wall.

I have done both... Behind the wall is an entirely different world than out on the street.

Not trying to offend, but have you worked in a large jail? Want to spend a day with me?

[usetosellhummer]

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I respect all in Law

[RuggedH2]

Ok, I deal with that daily from intakes or anyone of the other 500+ inmates..

I'm still trying to figure out why on the street is harder than behind the wall.

I have done both... Behind the wall is an entirely different world than out on the street.

Not trying to offend, but have you worked in a large jail? Want to spend a day with me?

I meant absolutely no disrespect whatsoever!

The whole thing is perception. The public expects to see restraint on the part of the police, they could be shocked by some of what happens routinely in a jail.

I tell stories with my friends, in front of my wife. Sometimes she cringes. When my jail and prison friends tell stories, I cringe.

[CO Hummer]

I meant absolutely no disrespect whatsoever!

The whole thing is perception. The public expects to see restraint on the part of the police, they could be shocked by some of what happens routinely in a jail.

I tell stories with my friends, in front of my wife. Sometimes she cringes. When my jail and prison friends tell stories, I cringe.

My uncle worked in a prison, and he had a LOT of stories. Many of them are hilarious.

I always laughed about the morons who crapped and pissed all over their cells to spite the gaurds. Needless to say, they were totally :OWNED:ing themselves because the guards simply let it sit there and kept the inmates stewing in their own juices.

[jdrew]

Just checking... :D


I gotta go now.. time to head to my "easy" job... lol ;)

[h2co-pilot]

Just wow.

I think that any job done by a human will have varied results and everyone deserves respect.

My friend has two brothers that are Cops in CA. And they are complete dickheads.:giggling: The stories make me LMAO. Then I have met many that are a decent as can be. It varies like mailmen.

Generalizations and assumptions are never a good idea in either direction.

[CO Hummer]

Generalizations and assumptions are never a good idea in either direction.

Typical stupid woman comment. :rolleyes:

[h2co-pilot]

Typical stupid woman comment. :rolleyes:

Typical Welder's Jargon.....:rolleyes:

[CO Hummer]

Typical Welder's Jargon.....:rolleyes:

If all moderators weren't so stupid, you'd be banned.

[PARAGON]

Hey man. Look at what you wrote! You ask me if I "feel" any respect, then you call it a behavior. You are right - I'm not necessarily getting what you've been refering to about "respect".

Those two quoted statements were my point.

Originally I said you HAD to respect the legal arm of law, the LEO. As the discussion developed it appeared that your stance, even though it sounds personally disrespectful to those that do serve to protect others, you took it to mean I was saying one had to have PERSONAL respect for the officer, which are 2 completely different things.

Personally, I do respect each and every officer, just as I do each and every service member before and more-so that I respect you as a normal civilian. The very fact that they are volunteering to put their life on the line to protect MY way of life, IMO, deserves that kind of personal respect until they do something to lose it.

Sorry, in all reality they are not volunteering to provide a civil service by collecting my water bill or gather up my garbage. They actually may come close to a deadly incident once a year, may have to draw their weapon on another human being several times in their career and decide if they should pull the trigger or not, play marriage counselor nearly every day, go through a door not knowing what caliber weapon is on the other side, etc.

IMO, until they show that they don't, they deserve respect both personally and as that extension of the law.

[PARAGON]

Typical stupid woman comment. :rolleyes:are you ghey

[CO Hummer]

are you ghey

No. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[KenP]

I'm not trying to act like a cop here. I'm sorry I brought up my occupation now.Don't be, it's an honorable job.

[KenP]

No. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.Better for welding and sewing.:giggling:

[-=Mac=-]

Don't be, it's an honorable job.
I couldn't agree more but I'm a bit prejudiced...;)

-Mac

[Dug]

:popcorn:

[H Duece]

Sorry, in all reality they are not volunteering to provide a civil service by collecting my water bill or gather up my garbage. They actually may come close to a deadly incident once a year, may have to draw their weapon on another human being several times in their career and decide if they should pull the trigger or not, play marriage counselor nearly every day, go through a door not knowing what caliber weapon is on the other side, etc.

Wow...rare that someone who's not a cop understands a little of what cops go through on a daily basis.

In the 5 years I've been a cop, I've had 2 people try to stab me, 1 person try to shoot me, been in 3 very serious fights, hit by 2 drunk drivers (transported to the hospital both times in an ambulance), tried to save about 10 people, actually saved 2 people, been in 7 vehicle pursuits (won all), been in 13 foot pursuits (won all those too), and have had to put up with a buttload of ****...most recently being punched in the jaw by a drunk driver.

I honestly don't expect a "thank you" from anyone. I chose this job and I truely enjoy doing it...sure beats the hell out of sitting in a cubical 9 hours a day staring at a computer screen. I fully accept the risks that comes with this occupation. The excitement I get doing this job far outweighs the pay I don't get for doing it.

However, I do expect respect...not for me, but for the uniform and badge I wear and what it represents.

[RuggedH2]

Wow...rare that someone who's not a cop understands a little of what cops go through on a daily basis.

However, I do expect respect...not for me, but for the uniform and badge I wear and what it represents.

:iagree:

Well said H Duece. I believe Paragon understands the reasons someone chooses a life in service to his country.

I am also a realist, I've spent twenty years of my life wearing uniforms. First for the Marines, and now as a cop.

Respect is an interesting subject, people say they respect the armed forces, but try getting decent service in a restaurant around Oceanside CA while wearing a high and tight haircut. This might be cause young Marines are not good tippers, but it can be hard to come by.

Respect is easily offered to police by a large percentage of the population, this percentage is usually not the ones going to jail though.

It is an over- simplified generalization but, some people just never drew a decent mother and father when the original deck was dealt. That's my basic opinion of the respect question.

[KenP]

There sure are alot of LEO's on this board. (I wanted to be one, also.)

Good going guys!!!:perfect10s:

[CO Hummer]

(I wanted to be one, also.)

Too bad Ken. How many times do I have to tell you get that G.E.D.?

[KenP]

Too bad Ken. How many times do I have to tell you get that G.E.D.?I'm working on it. Hopefully by my 40th b-day I'll have it.

[-=Mac=-]

I've got 18 years completed. Our pension package allows for an unpenalized pension at 25 years and I'm hoping to draw a pension for at least twice as long as I earned a salary... :excited:

-Mac

[lennyrebel]

Did I say I was speeding? Hell NO!.
I said I yelled at him.. I didn't give him the middle finger solute J

If this was during the day time, orange cone should be visible. But this was at night making orange cone less visible.
I would think flare should be the 1st thing he should set up in a dark area to make things obvious. Parking his car perpendicular to the road he is trying to block would make things obvious.
He had his car parked on the side quite a bit from where he was putting the orange cone.


Believe me, I don't want to be in there way. All I am saying is, he should have done things differently if he is a paid professional.

Professional? I don't think so.
REMEMBER 50%of cops were in the bottom half of there class. #2 If they weren't born with a bad attitude, wearing that gun all day certainly developes a righteous attitude that makes a civil conversation hard. After a while even when they're wrong they think they're right. I do realize they are a necessity and a certain percentage do an excellent job . 50 % ?