Wipers

[humdoug]

I know once the ignition is turned off the radio continues to play. I can accept this - BUT THE WIPERS ALSO STAY ON??????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[PARAGON]

You should park your wipers before you cut the ignition anyway.

[humdoug]

I was just running in and out of a store during the rain - I don't think "parking the wipers" every time should be a requirement. That’s like stating “turn off your radio every time you leave the H3”.

[HummerNewbie]

If you were getting out then they would shut off as soon as you opened the door so what was the problem? Parking the wipers every time is nothing like turning off the radio every time.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by humdoug:
I was just running in and out of a store during the rain - I don't think "parking the wipers" every time should be a requirement. That’s like stating “turn off your radio every time you leave the H3”. How does that make any fcking sense?

[Sewie]

As soon as you open the door, they turn off. What's the big deal? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[timgco]

Originally posted by humdoug:
I know once the ignition is turned off the radio continues to play. I can accept this - BUT THE WIPERS ALSO STAY ON??????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

They shut off when you open the door.

Your lights turn off once ou close the door too.

SOFA KING WE TODD DID! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Steve - SanJose]

Agreed, I don't have a problem with wipers staying on until I open the door. I usually park them so I did not notice.

S.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I let the VALET park mine !!!

RYD

[DarthKarl]

Originally posted by humdoug:
That’s like stating “turn off your radio every time you leave the H3”.

If you leave your radio on and your rig gets some ice/snow it'll still work when you start her up again, you might not be able to say the same thing for the wipper blades...just park'em

[fourfourto]

Speaking of wipers are anyones driver side wiper angled slightly down .The passanger side is even to windshild.

The next time at the dealer I look at some other H3's

I let the VALET park mine !!!

Rule # 1 never give your car or truck to a valet http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Rule # 2 never give your car or truck to a parking garage http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Rule # 3 never give your car or truck to anybody... except your spouse http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

RULE # 4 DROP YOUR SPOUSE & keep the girl friend http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

RYD

[humdoug]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by humdoug:
I was just running in and out of a store during the rain - I don't think "parking the wipers" every time should be a requirement. That’s like stating “turn off your radio every time you leave the H3”. How does that make any fcking sense? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since you can't figure it out I'll explain it again but in more detail so it makes fcking sense to you. It was raining, the wipers were on delay mode, I turned off the ignition, the radio stayed on, the wipers must have been in the middle of a rest cycle, I reached for some papers, opened the door to get out and at the same time the wipers started the wipe cycle and stopped in the middle of the windshield. This is not what I expected would happen.

Later in the day I made a test of the same situation. That time the wipers didn’t stop but made a complete cycle back to the rest position. Fluky – yes but it did happen and could happen again.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by humdoug:
Since you can't figure it out I'll explain it again but in more detail so it makes fcking sense to you. It was raining, the wipers were on delay mode, I turned off the ignition, the radio stayed on, the wipers must have been in the middle of a rest cycle, I reached for some papers, opened the door to get out and at the same time the wipers started the wipe cycle and stopped in the middle of the windshield. This is not what I expected would happen.

Later in the day I made a test of the same situation. That time the wipers didn’t stop but made a complete cycle back to the rest position. Fluky – yes but it did happen and could happen again.

Now that you gave some details things are more clear. Your first post made is sound like it was a probably that they would run off the RAP system.

[PARAGON]

So.... what's your point? And how does that clear up your radio analogy?

[Steve - SanJose]

My concern with the wipers is the way snow builds up on the drivers side during a snow storm. But I think that's been discussed before.

S.

[CO Hummer]

I've installed a remote camera in the garage to check my wipers hourly. Thanks for the heads up.

[Sewie]

Originally posted by humdoug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by humdoug:
I was just running in and out of a store during the rain - I don't think "parking the wipers" every time should be a requirement. That’s like stating “turn off your radio every time you leave the H3”. How does that make any fcking sense? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since you can't figure it out I'll explain it again but in more detail so it makes fcking sense to you. It was raining, the wipers were on delay mode, I turned off the ignition, the radio stayed on, the wipers must have been in the middle of a rest cycle, I reached for some papers, opened the door to get out and at the same time the wipers started the wipe cycle and stopped in the middle of the windshield. This is not what I expected would happen.

Later in the day I made a test of the same situation. That time the wipers didn’t stop but made a complete cycle back to the rest position. Fluky – yes but it did happen and could happen again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like RAP working as designed. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I still don't understand what the problem is.

[The Green Lantern]

Originally posted by humdoug:
Since you can't figure it out I'll explain it again but in more detail so it makes fcking sense to you. It was raining, the wipers were on delay mode, I turned off the ignition, the radio stayed on, the wipers must have been in the middle of a rest cycle, I reached for some papers, opened the door to get out and at the same time the wipers started the wipe cycle and stopped in the middle of the windshield. This is not what I expected would happen.

Later in the day I made a test of the same situation. That time the wipers didn’t stop but made a complete cycle back to the rest position. Fluky – yes but it did happen and could happen again.

Humdoug, I got you the first time and mine do the same.

[humdoug]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
So.... what's your point? And how does that clear up your radio analogy?

My point about the radio is not item specific. The radio staying is common with all new vehicles and for me this is acceptable. The wipers – not so common and why do I need to turn off an electrical/mechanical device. Two points:

a) the wipers stopping in the middle of the windshield – not acceptable but no damage done, other than it makes the H3 look bad when parked.

b) the wipers in a rest position, waiting to come on when the H3 is started, the windshield getting full of ice or snow – damage can be expected.

[f5fstop]

Wipers on the RAP circuit is common with all GM vehicles. In all my years, I have never heard anyone complain about this feature...until today.

[humdoug]

Originally posted by f5fstop:
Wipers on the RAP circuit is common with all GM vehicles. In all my years, I have never heard anyone complain about this feature...until today.

I'm not sure how GM considers it a good design especially if damage could occur when the vehicle is restarted. Maybe the wipers should electrically default to a “full off” state until the wiper switch is moved after re-start.

Any mechanical device that can automatically move after the operator believes power is off is not a good design. I started the thread for general information purposes. I’m not expecting to get a GM recall notice to have a sticker installed on the wipers stating “may move automatically when power is assumed off” http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by humdoug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Wipers on the RAP circuit is common with all GM vehicles. In all my years, I have never heard anyone complain about this feature...until today.

I'm not sure how GM considers it a good design especially if damage could occur when the vehicle is restarted. Maybe the wipers should electrically default to a “full off” state until the wiper switch is moved after re-start.

Any mechanical device that can automatically move after the operator believes power is off is not a good design. I started the thread for general information purposes. I’m not expecting to get a GM recall notice to have a sticker installed on the wipers stating “may move automatically when power is assumed off” http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>you haven't had your coffee this morning, have you. That, or you're not all there.

If the wiper is switched to "on" it would be a stupid design for it to be "off" if the switch was "on" regardless. To suggest that the wiper should stay off after ignition is cut and stay off until the wiper switch is moved again, is.... well... dumb.

[humdoug]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by humdoug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Wipers on the RAP circuit is common with all GM vehicles. In all my years, I have never heard anyone complain about this feature...until today.

I'm not sure how GM considers it a good design especially if damage could occur when the vehicle is restarted. Maybe the wipers should electrically default to a “full off” state until the wiper switch is moved after re-start.

Any mechanical device that can automatically move after the operator believes power is off is not a good design. I started the thread for general information purposes. I’m not expecting to get a GM recall notice to have a sticker installed on the wipers stating “may move automatically when power is assumed off” http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>you haven't had your coffee this morning, have you. That, or you're not all there.

If the wiper is switched to "on" it would be a stupid design for it to be "off" if the switch was "on" regardless. To suggest that the wiper should stay off after ignition is cut and stay off until the wiper switch is moved again, is.... well... dumb. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
NO, dumb is having your wipers destroyed under this condition. I didn’t see anywhere in the owners manual that gave instructions to “park” your wipers anytime you “park” your vehicle while it’s raining.

Since you're such the expert - suggest a corrective solution.

[PARAGON]

Well, first, there would have to be a problem with the system for a solution to be suggested. My suggestion to solve the problem came in my very first reply to this thread and I believe it was very clear.

Does the owner's manual also tell you that you have to pull on the handle to open the door, to open your eyes while driving, or to turn the steering wheel clockwise to turn right?

Would you like GM to wipe your ass for you too?

[HummerNewbie]

Since I live in Florida and don't have to deal with snow and ice, I really don't have a problem with it. I have always just shut my wipers off if I am not getting right back in the vehicle anyway. If you are running in someplace and back out in a minute or two, what is the problem unless it is snowing at the rate of about a couple feet an hour? Since this is such an issue, what did people do for decades when the wipers just stopped where they were as soon as the vehicle was turned off? Was everyone's vehicle getting damage whenever they were using the wipers and shut the vehicle off? I get tired of hearing comments about how poorly this or that was designed because it doesn't meet everyone's idea of the perfect design or operation. When someone finds the vehicle that is perfect for everyone and each and every feature operates exactly how everyone wants it to, let me know because I will dump every investment I have and put every dime into that manufacturer http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[humdoug]

The thread was started only to provide information that I experienced with the wipers. My wipers were actually stopped in the middle of the windshield and my key was in my hand. I’ll bet if your wipers (Paragon/HummerNewbie)stopped in the middle of your windshield you would just think “that’s normal” – “no problem here”!

[Sewie]

Since this is such an issue, what did people do for decades when the wipers just stopped where they were as soon as the vehicle was turned off?

Exactly. The only difference is that the wipers are on RAP so they don't turn off until you open the door.

This is one of the dumbest complaints I've heard. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by humdoug:
I know once the ignition is turned off the radio continues to play. I can accept this - BUT THE WIPERS ALSO STAY ON??????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[humdoug]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by humdoug:
I know once the ignition is turned off the radio continues to play. I can accept this - BUT THE WIPERS ALSO STAY ON??????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"opened the door to get out and at the same time the wipers started the wipe cycle and stopped in the middle of the windshield". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[HummBebe]

Originally posted by CO Hummer:
I've installed a remote camera in the garage to check my wipers hourly. Thanks for the heads up.

LMFAO......

I send my husband out to check mine.

[HummBebe]

Originally posted by Sewie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Since this is such an issue, what did people do for decades when the wipers just stopped where they were as soon as the vehicle was turned off?

Exactly. The only difference is that the wipers are on RAP so they don't turn off until you open the door.


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/HummBeeBe/Dumbtrip.jpg
This is one of the dumbest complaints I've heard. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Steve - SanJose]

Okay, maybe something useful will come of this thread later...

[Steve - SanJose]

Originally posted by Steve-SanJose-H3:
Okay, maybe something useful will come of this thread later...

Not likely.

[HummerNewbie]

Originally posted by humdoug:
I’ll bet if your wipers (Paragon/HummerNewbie)stopped in the middle of your windshield you would just think “that’s normal” – “no problem here”!

You are correct. It has been that way since they started putting wipers in vehicles so, yes, I would expect that to happen and not have a problem with it. I know from years of driving experience that it will happen so as I said before, unless I am getting back in the vehicle within a couple of minute I shut them off. Not really sure where the issue is, but to each their own.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by humdoug:
The thread was started only to provide information that I experienced with the wipers.
Originally posted by humdoug:
I know once the ignition is turned off the radio continues to play. I can accept this - BUT THE WIPERS ALSO STAY ON??????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[humdoug]

This thread needs to DIE!!!!!!!

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by humdoug:
This thread needs to DIE!!!!!!! then STFU

[deicustoms1]

bump

[Chinkierol30]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
Well, first, there would have to be a problem with the system for a solution to be suggested. My suggestion to solve the problem came in my very first reply to this thread and I believe it was very clear.

Does the owner's manual also tell you that you have to pull on the handle to open the door, to open your eyes while driving, or to turn the steering wheel clockwise to turn right?

Would you like GM to wipe your ass for you too?
Been lurking for a while and I hope I never have a run in with you Paragon http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Wow!!! 9758 posts that's cool http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Are you the forum leader?

[HummBebe]

No. I am http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Chinkierol30]

Funny I'm not stupid http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[deicustoms1]

Originally posted by Chinkierol30:
Funny I'm not stupid http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

now that's funny

[Chinkierol30]

What????

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Chinkierol30:
Are you the forum leader? Are you gay?

[f5fstop]

Originally posted by humdoug:
I know once the ignition is turned off the radio continues to play. I can accept this - BUT THE WIPERS ALSO STAY ON??????? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Evidently, you have not driven that much in the snow or rain to understand why the wipers are in the RAP circuit, and not directly tied to the ignition On circuit.
Do you always remember to shut off the wipers on your other vehicles prior to turning off the ignition? Probably not, and it appears you didn't remember on the H3.
GM put the wipers on the RAP circuit so that for those who turn off the ignition and realize the wipers are still on, they can now shut them off with the switch, without having to put the key back into the key cylinder.
Yes, they will stop when the door is opened, and if on a wipe cycle, they will stop in the middle of the windshield. However, this can happen for those who just turn off the ignition with the wipers still on.
You also have to remember, that most of the time wipers are used, it is raining, not snowing.
Now, if you can really come up with a legitimate complaint about the truck, go for it, but to sit and bitch about wiper being on the RAP circuit, is ludicrous.
If it really bothers you that much, switch the circuit to a non-RAP circuit, and all is well, or sell the H3 and buy an Escape.

[Chinkierol30]

Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chinkierol30:
Are you the forum leader? Are you gay? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What’s your friggin problem Paragon? I was being friendly but I guess you like picking on people on the web?


For the record I am happily married, not gay, and… lead a normal life!!!

[DennisAJC]

LOL! Chinkieroll! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'd be offended if I wasn't a racist myself. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


P.S. Humdoug, just turn everything off.

[Chinkierol30]

Originally posted by DennisAJC:
LOL! Chinkieroll! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'd be offended if I wasn't a racist myself. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


P.S. Humdoug, just turn everything off.
Dennis,

I can respect that, at least you admit to it and don’t hide behind your computer screen name. Thanks for the support I have a feeling I will need it around hear.

[PARAGON]

Originally posted by Chinkierol30:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chinkierol30:
Are you the forum leader? Are you gay? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What’s your friggin problem Paragon? I was being friendly but I guess you like picking on people on the web?


For the record I am happily married, not gay, and… lead a normal life!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You asked if I was the leader of this cluster ****. Why is it any different to ask if you are gay?

If I wasn't trying to be friendly about it I would have asked if you were a pole-smoking anal raiding ****ing homo.

[Chinkierol30]

Wow!!! I only asked a question!!!

I only asked because you have a high post count. I was just trying to fit in http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


I learned my lesson Paragon and I won’t try to talk to you again. Sorry!!!

[Bully13]

It aint easy bein' nOObie

[westhillsat]

The forum beats tv any day http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Steve - SanJose]

The forum is better than TV and even more ****ed up. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S.

[humdoug]

Next week a new thread can be started about "why turn the gas cap clockwise" and we can let Pgon post his idiot statements!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[PARAGON]

before you dig another stupid hole, tighty-righty, loosey-lefty