My girlfriend wants a prius

[Wisha Haddan H3]

... so we took one for a test drive Saturday. And I have to say, it was nice. Seriously. I couldn't believe how fast and agile it was in traffic and on the highway. And there was a lot more room inside than I thought. It actually felt like something out of the future, like some Jetsons-mobile that flies you to work and then folds into a suitcase.

But it wasn't all rainbows and smiley faces. The prius is ... well ... bland. It comes in one flavor, does one thing and makes one statement. It looks like a bug, zips you from A to B on a thimbleful of gas, and does so with irritating smugness. It's the ultimate in automotive sour grapes. "Well, I didn't want to go offroad anyway (or tow boats, haul kayaks, carry bikes, go camping, take dirt roads or drive in the snow), and anyone who wants to is stupid. Who's up for a zip from A to B? B to A? Anyone? Bueller? I have a touchscreen..."

Maybe I'm old-school, but I still think of cars as mechanical things with gears, wheels and grease. The prius was all touchscreens, levers and digital displays. Open the hood? Not without a PhD. And that irritating whine as the engine surged through traffic!

Hummers want you to open the hood and listen to the engine. Ok, not so much the 5-cylinder. But even the H3 begs you to tinker with something, add something or make it your own. You can bling a hummer, lift it, chrome it, dub it, armor it, rack it, outfit it for safari, build it up any way you like and change your own oil. It's a tow truck, an RV-towed truck, a plaything and a hobby. You can work, play, haul or just plain drive in it. It's good for family trips, road trips, offroad trips, grocery trips or mall trips.

Come rain, sleet, snow or ice ... in blizzard, mud, sand or flood ... over the river, up the mountain and through the woods ... the hummer gets you from A to B and all points in between. In short, it's versatile, it's fun, it's useful and you can make it your own.

So yeah, she wants a prius, and that's fine. But for fun, you can bet we'll be taking the hummer. Cause if it's not downtown, the prius doesn't cut it.

[fourfourto]

My brother in law has one ,It drove GR8 its like a pod.
Funny taking off without the engine running.
He's been getting over 50 MPG 500 to the 10 gallon tank.

Theres no key and no starter .It has more room then you would think.

You can get bumper stickers that say My other car is a prius,She can get one that says my other car is a hummer.:jump:

[dеiтайожни]

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it's time to dump her. If you need any help throwing her stuff out on the lawn, let us know.

[Steve - SanJose]

There are other choices for hybrids that are not nearly as lame or ugly.

[jmsspratlin]

Congrats, you now will be the laughing stock of the community.:beerchug:

[timgco]

GO with something that has a better crash test rating. To me, safety is much more important than mpg IMO....esp with the kids.

There are a few other cars out there that are safer, have more room, great fuel eco. and don;t cost and arm and a leg to fix once the warranty is out.

Try Honda too.

[timgco]

I forgot to ask. Is she after the Toyota because it a Hybrid? Price? Looks?

If that's what this car is to her, check out Honda's Hybrid Civic and Accord.

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Accord+Hybrid

THa Camry isn't bad either.

[Steve - SanJose]

I forgot to ask. Is she after the Toyota because it a Hybrid? Price? Looks?

If that's what this car is to her, check out Honda's Hybrid Civic and Accord.

http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Accord+Hybrid

THa Camry isn't bad either.

I agree.

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

This is how it starts.

Next, she'll start making you eat tofu instead of steak, and then, she'll stop shaving her legs.

Its all downhill from there... :giggling:

[Steve - SanJose]

No f**king way there's going to be a Prius parked on my driveway or in my garage...

[Hummer Aficionado_VT]

:iagree: Amen brother.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

This is how it starts.

Next, she'll start making you eat tofu instead of steak, and then, she'll stop shaving her legs.

Its all downhill from there... :giggling:

put your girlfriend intouch w1th gooey gaybob or better yet with zoe

[BKLYNH2]

We may as well evict him from the herd now. :twak:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

GO with something that has a better crash test rating. To me, safety is much more important than mpg IMO....esp with the kids.

There are a few other cars out there that are safer, have more room, great fuel eco. and don;t cost and arm and a leg to fix once the warranty is out.

Try Honda too.
I agree on the safety issue. Her 07 legacy outback has great crash ratings and AWD. Plus it hauls everything she needs for her son (wheelchair, walker and stuff). She's not in a huge hurry, but if she can fit all that stuff in the Prius, she's really going to want one.

This all started with summer vacation. After she stopped driving 60 miles round trip to her daughter's school, she stopped getting 30+ highway mileage. Now that she stays in town, she's only getting 25 mpg. I remind her she drives less now, but she wants that mileage back.

You know, I really don't care about it being a Prius, but I do care about the lower safety rating, smaller cargo area, cost of repair and not having AWD. At least the reliability ratings (http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota_prius_touring-ratings/) are high

Anyway, if it does happen it won't be for a while. She's still upside-down on the subaru and doesn't have the cash to even out the trade.

[usetosellhummer]

take her car shopping. alot of people are dumping them becase of poor ride, accl, and get burned out quick on the save the world sh*t. Go drive more cars now!

[Steve - SanJose]

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=40

Gets a good in the front and side. Doesn't get much better than that.

I just don't like them, but to each his (or her) own. :giggling:

"Good" ratings in crashes involving similar vehicles. But if the crash involves a larger vehicle/truck/SUV, good luck. It does get better than that and larger vehicles usually have lower death rates.

[CO Hummer]

Man, first Moonie turns into a greenie, now you. What's happening to CO people. :D

[BlueTJCO]

Man, first Moonie turns into a greenie, now you. What's happening to CO people. :D

:fdance:

[Hmmm2]

We may as well evict him from the herd now. :twak:
Ohhhhhhh ROFLOL!!!!!!!! :iagree:

[Steve - SanJose]

Mooooooooo.... assuming it's a herd of cattle.

[lennyrebel]

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like it's time to dump her. If you need any help throwing her stuff out on the lawn, let us know.
X2 maybe kick her to the curb on recycle day and we'll take a look at her.;) Know what they say if you start takin her **** she'll have you on a steady diet.

[zoe1]

I agree on the safety issue. Her 07 legacy outback has great crash ratings and AWD. Plus it hauls everything she needs for her son (wheelchair, walker and stuff). She's not in a huge hurry, but if she can fit all that stuff in the Prius, she's really going to want one.



She'll probably fit this, and more, in the Prius. Waa waaa waaaaah, for you. :) Since the back seats fold down, there's a whole lot of cargo space. The flush bumper also assists easy loading. But, she'll need to know that longer drives are where she'll recognize the best mileage. If she's commuting in 10 minute intervals, she'll probably only see 40 mpg. If she's driving for more than 20 minutes, she'll see 50's and up. Get on the road for more than a half hour or so and you'll be running 75 mpg trips. Colder temps = less mpg and mileage increases with duration of ownership, so she'll need to keep that in mind as well. The only negative things I've heard about the Prius is that if it gets stuck in snow, it's hard to get out. This is due to the anti skid system and the problem isn't a "Prius" problem. The Prius handles reliably in snow and ice otherwise. The other negative is seat comfort.

If she's interested in only short, city trips where speed is limited to 35 mph, an electric vehicle may do her well. Conversion kits are sold for around $10m-$15m. Think of it, she could convert her current car and never, ever have to buy a tank of gas or change her oil and filters again. The conversion would pay for itself in short order. And, you wouldn't (as someone else mentioned) be the laughing stock of your neighborhood as no one would suspect you're affiliated with a greenie (why this is bad is beyond me. Don't we all drink the same water and breathe the same air?) If she considers this, she best make sure her range is covered and make sure to take into account any winter cold conditions as range drops by around 25%, from what I've read.

So far as maintenance is concerned on the Prius, it doesn't require any extra maintenance than does a conventional car (the brake system actually lasts longer). The hybrid components are warrantied for 8 years/100,000 miles. If concerned, she could always opt for the extended warranty. There's supposedly a Canadian taxi Prius fleet with their initial hybrid components with well over 100,000 miles logged.

Sheesh, what a bunch of macho types on this thread. Is this supposed to be appealing? I'm wondering how long y'all's relationships are lasting if you hassle and ditch your significant others about something as menial as a car purchase. I give the OP credit for not being imposing and instead being open minded to her views. Sounds like she's got enough problems being a single mom and caring for a handicapped(?) child without having to worry that her car purchase is going to create a rift in her relationship.

[dеiтайожни]

Zoe brings up a good point. That's what she is going to become if she gets a Prius. Your very own Zoe. She is going to become annoying, put her nose in places it doesn't belong and try to force her views and opinions on you every waking minute. In no time she will be telling you the best way to piss standing up and that you don't need anything more than what she has.

But no worries... she will likely die very shortly after getting a Prius when she gets into a fender bender, touches the frame and is electrocuted. It will probably start the car on fire and the firemen will have to wait for instructions on how to handle the electricity so they don't die as well, all while a child is trapped inside the vehicle. Tragic.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

Well, I'm not afraid of her turning into a ultraliberal, ecoterrorist just because she wants to save gas. Besides, she loves the H3. We went on a killer trip to Ouray and Moab a couple of weeks ago. She got a real taste of wheeling and was amazed by what our trucks can do offroad and how comfortable it was to travel in.

[dеiтайожни]

I don't know, I wouldn't risk it. You know I worry about her sometimes, not to mention a child just died in the vehicle fire. Honestly, I have to hear her say she is no longer considering the Prius before I will be able to sleep. I'll PM you my number.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I don't know, I wouldn't risk it. You know I worry about her sometimes, not to mention a child just died in the vehicle fire. Honestly, I have to hear her say she is no longer considering the Prius before I will be able to sleep. I'll PM you my number.

Your concern is touching ... and well, kind of scary. Did you catch what Dennis has? I was hoping that wasn't contagious :D

[Sewie]

There are other choices for hybrids that are not nearly as lame or ugly.

Same could be said for girlfriends. :jump:

[h2co-pilot]

Waa waaa waaaaah.

ENVIRONMENTAL COST:

The Toyota Prius Hybrid: $3.24 a mile
The Honda Civic hybrid: $3.23 a mile
The Big Awesome Shweet AZZ H2 Hummer: $3.02 a mile
and the H3: $1.94 a mile

And that nickel mine in Sudburry, Ontario, one of the world’s worst environmental messes, saying it is the largest single point source for acid raid-causing chemicals in North America.

It is also the place where Toyota gets the nickel for the batteries that run its hybrid vehicles.

The nickel is smelted, removed from the rock and then it is shipped by container ship to Wales for refining.

Its trip takes it to China where it is turned into nickel foam, then on to Japan to Toyota’s battery plant.

The trip, start to finish, is more than 10,000 miles, mostly on heavy polluting container ships.

But Wanna-be,

Get her whatever she wants! She is really cute and your ugly azz prolly won't find another like her.

:fdance:

[zoe1]

ENVIRONMENTAL COST:

The Toyota Prius Hybrid: $3.24 a mile
The Honda Civic hybrid: $3.23 a mile
The Big Awesome Shweet AZZ H2 Hummer: $3.02 a mile
and the H3: $1.94 a mile

:fdance:

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

[RuggedH2]

:giggling: :clapping: ;)

Is she serious? Really? Come on.....this has to be a put on here, right?

I am LMFAO! A real live crazy liberal making arguments for the enviro-mentally insane........ here at Elcova??

This has potential, I hope she sticks around for awhile. :giggling: Maybe she can convert some of us.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[zoe1]

:giggling: :clapping: ;)

Is she serious? Really? Come on.....this has to be a put on here, right?

I am LMFAO! A real live crazy liberal making arguments for the enviro-mentally insane........ here at Elcova??

This has potential, I hope she sticks around for awhile. :giggling: Maybe she can convert some of us.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Thanks. I knew someone would appreciate me, even if it's just for the entertainment value. My sniffles have turned to a smile. I just hope that rubber duck lady doesn't come around or she'll ruin my new found glee.

[h2co-pilot]

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that. The container ships trump SUVs in oil consumption.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

Yup, you got it.;) So...Why are you here anyway?



The Prius was amortized over 100,000-plus miles for a number of reasons.

The 100,000 mile life expectancy for Prius is time as well as distance sensitive. The historical data shows early Prius models were driven an average of only 6,700 miles per year (rounded). At that rate, the vehicle would require 15 years to reach 100,000 miles. It was our determination that is highly unlikely the '05 or '06 Prius models would still be in active service let alone serviceable 15 years from today.

The reason for this is twofold: First, the first and second generation Prius hybrid technologies are rapidly being replaced by lighter, more efficient systems for the new and upcoming Prius versions.

Historically, vehicles that become obsolete have a shorter life span (in time) than existing or serviceable technology.

Second, competitive vehicles to Prius are being planned by virtually all automakers using either Prius-like dual-mode or plug-in hybrid technology (e.g. Chevrolet Volt). This competition, looking at the historic context which is all we can do, is likely to drive the value of older technology Prius models lower. We've already seen the early stages of this happening with decreasing used values for all of the original batch of hybrids.
At some point, economic considerations make it far more practical for owners (or dealers who receive them in trade) to "retire" the vehicles because a limited used-vehicle market would exist for it. Again, in Prius's case this is time, not necessarily only mileage, sensitive.

Can the Prius be driven more than 100,000 miles? Of course. The vehicle is superbly engineered. But this assumes the average Prius driver begins using the car more often. If the Prius were driven the American average of 13,000 miles per year, it would hit the 100,000 mile mark in 7.6 years, well within its attractive (financially and technologically) useful life span. In 10 years, again about the maximum for ground-breaking technology, it would have registered 130,000 miles. Mechanically, there is no logical reason for the Prius not to last 130,000 miles or more.

The latest data shows Prius owners are driving more than early Prius owners and the use of the vehicle is becoming a primary means of transportation in a household rather than a novelty. But the average annual mileage, outside of certain southern-tier states, remains barely above 7,000 per year.

Other components on the Prius, such as tires, are less distance-mileage friendly than non-hybrids of the same size and weight. For example, surveys of Prius owners by us and other research companies show barely 16,000 miles average life for original-equipment tires compared to 43,000 for Toyota Corolla. This high-tech tire uses a compound and design that reduces rolling resistance and thus improves fuel economy. But the typical replacement tire for a Prius will not likely be the OEM specialty variety, cutting both fuel economy and distance-per-battery charge of the Prius.

As for Hummer, much of the design, development and manufacturing energy costs are spread across more than just this single model. (One of the original and recent Prius disadvantages, quickly being turned around.)
In addition, the platform, power train and other mechanical components are shared with a variety of other GM products and have a significantly longer post-disposal life in the replacement market. Higher volume of components speeds manufacturing and reduces energy per-unit costs. Add the simplicity of disposing of the Hummer and the entire per-mile cost becomes lower even though the fuel economy is staggeringly worse than Prius.

And as I pointed out in the past, the energy cost per mile is unequivocally going to decline for Prius over time as the technology continues to spread across other models and the disposal/scrap industry learns how to deal with its high-tech materials and components.


http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Read it all for yourself. It's perfectly logical to the educated.

Then get a Schwinn Bish!:fdance:

[Steve - SanJose]

Same could be said for girlfriends. :jump:

Ouchhhh:jump:

[ChiHummer3]

Yup, you got it.;) So...Why are you here anyway?
Read it all for yourself. It's perfectly logical to the educated.

Then get a Schwinn Bish!:fdance:

LMAO!!! :clapping: :jump: :clapping: :jump: :clapping:

[zoe1]

Yup, you got it.;)



CNW ...... again?

Must be old data. In 2005 the Canadian Prius cab fleet recognized their first Prius to hit 200,000 miles on the original hybrid component system. Plans were to transition the fleet to more Prius. For profit companies wouldn't be doing this if there were cost ramifications to the transition.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/

http://communities.canada.com/windsorstar/blogs/vanderblogger/archive/2007/07/03/prius-they-keep-going-and-going-and-going.aspx

[h2co-pilot]

CNW ...... again?

Must be old data. In 2005 the Canadian Prius cab fleet recognized their first Prius to hit 200,000 miles on the original hybrid component system. Plans were to transition the fleet to more Prius. For profit companies wouldn't be doing this if there were cost ramifications to the transition.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/

http://communities.canada.com/windsorstar/blogs/vanderblogger/archive/2007/07/03/prius-they-keep-going-and-going-and-going.aspx

You didn't read it did you. This is the educating part I was tawking about.;)

[zoe1]

You didn't read it did you. This is the educating part I was tawking about.;)

OK, you're right. I didn't read it as I've been conditioned to ignore anything published by CNW.

Now I've read it and had to ask myself what kind of a statement and vision is that for the progress of technological advances in the United States. With any progress, there is waste until such progress is refined and reaches it's potential. Brings to mind computers and space travel. Were these advances all for naught? So, we should just continue to design automobiles status quo while other countries engage in progressive technologies and recognize potential gains in usurping our GDP? Bad.

Concerning cost impacts and environmental impacts concluded by them, lots of assumptions and application of historical data applied to arrive at the conclusion. So, it appears the jury is still out so far as their "study" is concerned. Maybe that's why I read somewhere that they refuse to disclose their methodology for the study. It would be nice if some entity would provide solid research as I'm sure it would be helpful for some people in selecting their purchase.

[wpage]

Wait till she meets those rude Toyo sales asswipes...

[h2co-pilot]

OK, you're right. I didn't read it as I've been conditioned to ignore anything published by CNW.

Now I've read it and had to ask myself what kind of a statement and vision is that for the progress of technological advances in the United States. With any progress, there is waste until such progress is refined and reaches it's potential. Brings to mind computers and space travel. Were these advances all for naught? So, we should just continue to design automobiles status quo while other countries engage in progressive technologies and recognize potential gains in usurping our GDP? Bad.

Concerning cost impacts and environmental impacts concluded by them, lots of assumptions and application of historical data applied to arrive at the conclusion. So, it appears the jury is still out so far as their "study" is concerned. Maybe that's why I read somewhere that they refuse to disclose their methodology for the study. It would be nice if some entity would provide solid research as I'm sure it would be helpful for some people in selecting their purchase.

Well, when someone other than CNW does such a study we'll quote from them as well.

And I dunno what it says about the US, but I know what it says for technological advances in Japan. They can do what they want, all I know is- you are buying into it.

Hummers are American and American tax monies (thank the Bush admin) is funding research for Hydrogen energy, presently being researched by GM and other American companies.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

This has already proven to be non factual. I said it before in another thread, the Hummer was provided with a 300,000 mile life span and the Prius a 100,000 mile life span which has provided this huge disparity. But besides that, I was thinking about this last night. The environmental cost of the daily oil spills that are occurring are frequently never recognized or assessed. More frequently they are ignored and remain to contaminate the environment and the livelihoods of the people native to the land that can no longer fish for sustenance and a means of income. And, it doesn't just happen overseas to poor people, it happens here too. The ruptured pipeline in Alaska, the enormous oil spill that recently occurred due to the flooding..... So, until the oil industry gets their act together and cleans up their daily mess, the environmental cost for owing ANY car cannot be adequately assessed. It's quite logical, however, that any car that uses more gas will have a much higher environmental operating cost when this is taken into account. There's no disputing that.

I've no idea why you guys are on me so much. I've provided you with a very reasonable summary of the Prius and basically said that if she's not going to be driving it for periods of time over 10 minutes, the car may not be for her as she won't recognized the full economic value of the car. Totally unbiased review.

Maybe one day when you're off roading in an area that I helped protect from development, or you hike or hunt a pristine area that I've helped clear of invasive species, you'll appreciate me more. Sniffle.

You have to be a plant...no intelligent person says I, me, i've so much in just a few paragraphs...

Are you with greenpeace, or save the world, or are you part of gores goonies ???

the best part is that

"""U have supplied us with a reasonable summary"""

[zoe1]

Well, when someone other than CNW does such a study we'll quote from them as well.

And I dunno what it says about the US, but I know what it says for technological advances in Japan. They can do what they want, all I know is- you are buying into it.

Hummers are American and American tax monies (thank the Bush admin) is funding research for Hydrogen energy, presently being researched by GM and other American companies.

I believe Bush (as well as former Presidents) gives more money (billions of it) to big oil. Then, they don't even have to pay to clean up their mess (Valdez). However, I'm grateful he's starting to fund alternative energy. It's going to help prompt further research and development. And, we shouldn't just be focusing on one technology. For instance, biodiesel will require enormous land use and potentially infringe on your off roading space. I haven't looked into it lately, but I'm guessing that the energy that goes into the extraction of hydrogen is enormous and potentially offsets any benefits.

As for your last comment of me buying into imported technology, it's probably responsible for some Americans to support this technology or American companies will never get off their complacent as*es and step up with competing technology.

GM may be American but they're outsourcing more of their manufacturing to other countries and there's word that they're now demanding that their suppliers outsource as well in order to bring down their overall expenses.

http://www.lsj.com/news/business/040323_gm_1a-5a.html

The definition of what it is to be an American Company is now drenched in muddy water. I, for one, am negatively affected by this. Maybe it's time that we Americans get off our complacent as*es and demand better for ourselves and our country.

[h2co-pilot]

I believe Bush (as well as former Presidents) gives more money (billions of it) to big oil. Then, they don't even have to pay to clean up their mess (Valdez). However, I'm grateful he's starting to fund alternative energy. It's going to help prompt further research and development. And, we shouldn't just be focusing on one technology. For instance, biodiesel will require enormous land use and potentially infringe on your off roading space. I haven't looked into it lately, but I'm guessing that the energy that goes into the extraction of hydrogen is enormous and potentially offsets any benefits.

As for your last comment of me buying into imported technology, it's probably responsible for some Americans to support this technology or American companies will never get off their complacent as*es and step up with competing technology.

GM may be American but they're outsourcing more of their manufacturing to other countries and there's word that they're now demanding that their suppliers outsource as well in order to bring down their overall expenses.

http://www.lsj.com/news/business/040323_gm_1a-5a.html

The definition of what it is to be an American Company is now drenched in muddy water. I, for one, am negatively affected by this. Maybe it's time that we Americans get off our complacent as*es and demand better for ourselves and our country.

Duh huh.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[zoe1]

[B][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue]You have to be a plant...no intelligent person says

Good observation. I will try not to say "I" or "me" when defending myself against future attacks.

Crap. It just happened again.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Good observation. I will try not to say "I" or "me" when defending myself against future attacks.

Crap. It just happened again.

In what city and state do you reside...

[zoe1]

I'm scared to tell you. Why do you ask? I don't live in California, if that's what you're thinking.

[DennisAJC]

I'm scared to tell you. Why do you ask? I don't live in California, if that's what you're thinking.

I wouldn't be too scared. You could walk away from him and still escape.

:jump:

[ChiHummer3]

:jump: :jump: :jump:
Sorry RYD - but that's pretty funny!

[h2co-pilot]

I'm scared to tell you. Why do you ask? I don't live in California, if that's what you're thinking.

Are you used to thinking what others might be thinking?

It better not be Illinois.:shhh:

http://dennisthepeasant.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/tin_foil_hat_1.jpg

[zoe1]

OK, that's not fair admin. But at least I now know the Ducky will be pokey trying to catch me. Hopefully you're all fat or I'll be one really tired girl.

[zoe1]

Hey, are y'all men here? I thought Ducky was a gal due to the handle (I'm a little slow and now understand the joke here). Now I'm thinking I'm seeing the errors of my ways and why we're having trouble communicating. You know, the whole men are from mars and women are from venus thing.

[ChiHummer3]

Are you used to thinking what others might be thinking?

It better not be Illinois.:shhh:

Hey now........what's wrong with Illinois?????

[dеiтайожни]

Hey, are y'all men here?

She's from the South, get her!!

[usetosellhummer]

The day of big american labor are gone. as we import more hi tec workers that will soon disapear. get good and selling, cleaning, fixing, and cooking stuff. It's the future. I make a mean grilled chez

[zoe1]

She's from the South, get her!!

Yes, that's where I'm located.....not in Illinois. You guys go there to find me. I'm somewhere in the Everglades. K?

[dеiтайожни]

Yes, that's where I'm located.....not in Illinois. You guys go there to find me. I'm somewhere in the Everglades. K?

I have a pet alligator.

[zoe1]

Seems people from FL have lots of exotic pets. I know someone there that has a pet pig. Only he feeds his pet fruit and veggies while it's obvious to me that you're wanting to feed your alligator a human named Zoe.

[Steve - SanJose]

The day of big american labor are gone. as we import more hi tec workers that will soon disapear. get good and selling, cleaning, fixing, and cooking stuff. It's the future. I make a mean grilled chez

Whatever, I've heard the doom and gloom. (Thankfully I don't live in Detroit):)

[Steve - SanJose]

I have a pet alligator.

4H club member?

[dеiтайожни]

Seems people from FL have lots of exotic pets. I know someone there that has a pet pig. Only he feeds his pet fruit and veggies while it's obvious to me that you're wanting to feed your alligator a human named Zoe.

So you're not in the Everglades! That narrows it down to Tennessee or Alabama. Don't worry, my alligator only likes to eat hairy monkey girls. If you're not as liberal/hippy as your vehicle choice implies you are, you'll be fine.

[zoe1]

D'oh. I meant my neighbor here in Florida has a pet pig.

And, I may be a little liberal, but I'm not a hippy. Those two adjectives shouldn't be so readily intertwined.

Isn't it good to see that a bunch of conservative Hummer owners can wind up appreciating a liberal with an environmental bend? (I hope I'm not being too presumptuous.) Be careful or I'll start daily threads about how you too can help save our planet.

Good night. I'm retiring for the evening. I'll try to make it back tomorrow as I'm sure you will miss me if I don't.

[h2co-pilot]

I'm still guessing the pits are grody nappers, like she's got ZZ Top in a head lock.:giggling:

[dеiтайожни]

(I hope I'm not being too presumptuous.)

You are.

Be careful or I'll start daily threads about how you too can help save our planet.

Not interested. However, I am interested in restoring the giant panda habitats so we can increase the number of them. My people are having supply issues. I have 4500sq ft to carpet and nothing really compares to giant panda fur on the feet on a cold night. Also any insight you may have on other near extinct or endangered items, like trees, plants, etc that would look good around/in my house and need to be snatched up quickly, would be very helpful.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Seems people from FL have lots of exotic pets. I know someone there that has a pet pig. Only he feeds his pet fruit and veggies while it's obvious to me that you're wanting to feed your alligator a human named Zoe.

Zoe, my love... so your female...whatca doin tonite...do you want to meet me at "ROBERT IS HERE"?

[DennisAJC]

I love the RYD backpeddle the moment he finds out Zoe is a female.

As charming as a pile of used tampons baking in the Florida sun you think you are RYD, I don't think she's interested in you.:jump:

[DRTYFN]

....
Did you recently move from AZ?:giggling:

[Steve - SanJose]

Dennis has a software glitch again....:D

[DennisAJC]

Dennis has a software glitch again....:D

No glitch. The settings are totally different outside of the H3 Forum.:D

[Steve - SanJose]

No glitch. The settings are totally different outside of the H3 Forum.:D

Oh, so that's how it works:giggling:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I love the RYD backpeddle the moment he finds out Zoe is a female.

As charming as a DON JUAN you are RYD, I think she's interested in you.:jump:

DAM RITE I'M CHARMING..

ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, ALWAYS WILL

[Steve - SanJose]

Charming maybe. Hopefully she didn't see those pics.:)

[zoe1]

I'm still guessing the pits are grody nappers, like she's got ZZ Top in a head lock.:giggling:

Funniest post I've ever read. Cracking up. Let's see you guys shave half your body every day and not let it go a little nappy once in a while!

[zoe1]

Not interested. However, I am interested in restoring the giant panda habitats so we can increase the number of them. My people are having supply issues. I have 4500sq ft to carpet and nothing really compares to giant panda fur on the feet on a cold night. Also any insight you may have on other near extinct or endangered items, like trees, plants, etc that would look good around/in my house and need to be snatched up quickly, would be very helpful.

As to the Panda question about cold floors..........see? This is where I can be useful to you guys. Just move into a passive solar house. In this type of construction, the sun's winter angle enters your interior rooms fully. The heat generated from the sun is stored in your flooring. At night, the heat releases to heat your house to save on heat costs. In the summer, the sun's angle doesn't allow any entry in your house which saves on A/C costs. So your little toes will be twinkly warm all the time! No need to cut of the toes of a Panda to keep you warm!

Ducky, I saw that you were looking into the construction of a log home. Maybe you could utilize this. There are no expensive materials involved. The theory only involves the position and size of the awning, the position of the house and a flooring material that allows for the heat radiation. You'll save a ton of money on heating and cooling. Or did you build that house yet?

[zoe1]

Zoe, my love... so your female...whatca doin tonite...do you want to meet me at "ROBERT IS HERE"?

Ducky, you were the one that scared me most, but now I see that you probably can't move so fast. And, because you're usually not dressed, you'll be arrested before you find me anyways.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

As to the Panda question about cold floors..........see? This is where I can be useful to you guys. Just move into a passive solar house. In this type of construction, the sun's winter angle enters your interior rooms fully. The heat generated from the sun is stored in your flooring. At night, the heat releases to heat your house to save on heat costs. In the summer, the sun's angle doesn't allow any entry in your house which saves on A/C costs. So your little toes will be twinkly warm all the time! No need to cut of the toes of a Panda to keep you warm!

Ducky, I saw that you were looking into the construction of a log home. Maybe you could utilize this. There are no expensive materials involved. The theory only involves the position and size of the awning, the position of the house and a flooring material that allows for the heat radiation. You'll save a ton of money on heating and cooling. Or did you build that house yet?

NO, haven't built yet, am about 2 years away...

BTW, the HEADS mine, the body is a CHOP and even tho i'm naked a lot i can move pretty fast...

[BigPoppa1411]

[ and even tho i'm naked a lot i can move pretty fast...[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
:eek:

[Steve - SanJose]

[ and even tho i'm naked a lot i can move pretty fast...[/color][/b]
:eek:[/quote]

I don't want to visualize thathttp://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

[dеiтайожни]

As to the Panda question about cold floors..........see? This is where I can be useful to you guys. Just move into a passive solar house. In this type of construction, the sun's winter angle enters your interior rooms fully. The heat generated from the sun is stored in your flooring. At night, the heat releases to heat your house to save on heat costs. In the summer, the sun's angle doesn't allow any entry in your house which saves on A/C costs. So your little toes will be twinkly warm all the time! No need to cut of the toes of a Panda to keep you warm!

I don't know about that... I would still long for the feel of Panda between my toes. Plus, I like it kind of cold. I typically keep my thermostats at 62 degrees just so I can keep my outside decks in the mid-70s so I don't burn up while grilling or laying in the sun. I don't suppose you know of a way to efficiently control the temperature outside of your home, do you?

[h2co-pilot]

I don't suppose you know of a way to efficiently control the temperature outside of your home, do you?

Global Warm it!!:dancingbanana: :perfect10s::dancingbanana:

[Steve - SanJose]

I don't know about that... I would still long for the feel of Panda between my toes. Plus, I like it kind of cold. I typically keep my thermostats at 62 degrees just so I can keep my outside decks in the mid-70s so I don't burn up while grilling or laying in the sun. I don't suppose you know of a way to efficiently control the temperature outside of your home, do you?

Just move out of Florida.

[dеiтайожни]

Just move out of Florida.

You misunderstood. I like it kind of cold in my house, but like it hot outside. It feels more home'y when you step inside after a day of enjoying activities you can only accomplish in warmer climates.

[zoe1]

I don't know about that... I would still long for the feel of Panda between my toes. Plus, I like it kind of cold. I typically keep my thermostats at 62 degrees just so I can keep my outside decks in the mid-70s so I don't burn up while grilling or laying in the sun. I don't suppose you know of a way to efficiently control the temperature outside of your home, do you?

Boy is this site persnickety towards enviro girls. I couldn't log on yesterday. You guys kept saying I'm forging or using a proxy and I'm not bright enough to know how to do that! Sheesh.

I'm sure you'll be glad I'm back as I have an enviro answer for your problem. You guys should be planting large native trees on your south/east exposure to block the morning sun from heating up your house. Trees planted on the south/west exposure will help block the afternoon sun fro heating your house in the afternoon hours. You can amend this based on your requirements for sun on your deck, but your energy costs will rise. Otherwise, do as suggested and save money on your energy bills. Enviro girl is all about saving money.

Ducky, you should seriously consider looking into passive solar as it could save you up to 50% on your energy costs - all just for how you lay out your house and windows. No one would even suspect you're a greenie as the house would look normal.

Anything else?

Anyone else having the most crappy day of their entire life today?

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Boy is this site persnickety towards enviro girls. I couldn't log on yesterday. You guys kept saying I'm forging or using a proxy and I'm not bright enough to know how to do that! Sheesh.

I'm sure you'll be glad I'm back as I have an enviro answer for your problem. You guys should be planting large native trees on your south/east exposure to block the morning sun from heating up your house. Trees planted on the south/west exposure will help block the afternoon sun fro heating your house in the afternoon hours. You can amend this based on your requirements for sun on your deck, but your energy costs will rise. Otherwise, do as suggested and save money on your energy bills. Enviro girl is all about saving money.

Ducky, you should seriously consider looking into passive solar as it could save you up to 50% on your energy costs - all just for how you lay out your house and windows. No one would even suspect you're a greenie as the house would look normal.

Anything else?

Anyone else having the most crappy day of their entire life today?

come on girl friend...at least give me a City & State...PM or e-mail me...I PROMISE NOT TO TELL ANYONE...

btw...I will be building as green as i can afford too

[dеiтайожни]

Anyone else having the most crappy day of their entire life today?

Nope. Maybe you should take a ride in a Hummer... that always cheers people up. :D

btw...I will be building as green as i can afford too

Yeah... until a Hummer owning girl comes along. Then there won't be anything green about it. :giggling:

[h2co-pilot]

The fact of the matter is most of us have energy efficient houses, energy saving/efficient appliances and more trees in our yards than most.

Zoe isn't preaching to those that have the oil burning 20 yr old Datsuns. The ones that head home after a long day at the plant with a case of beast, cracking em open, going out to their **** weed patch to burn an old woodpile and some trash for the hell of it. Then walking a step inside his shoddy screen door to the multiple leaking old azz window unit ACs to cook some heavily packaged and preserved food on the cheap azz pot he will throw away in a year. While his wife preps for the night of their unceasing breeding with a disposable bic.

Either she is

A: Trolling for dick.

B: A lonely fat attention whore.

C: She believes now that she has a POS toxic tin can it gives her the license to preach because of the gas mileage and feels a new euphoric sense of enviro-imperialism and overall wisdom that the rest of us do not have and we truly care and seek her advice. (not mentioning the distaste in the intrusion preaching during a thread of a teenagers gloat of a senior picture.)

D: All of the above.

In the case of A, B, C or D, I would be happy to throw her to RYD or Shaggy.:D

[zoe1]

The fact of the matter is most of us have energy efficient houses, energy saving/efficient appliances and more trees in our yards than most.

Zoe isn't preaching to those that have the oil burning 20 yr old Datsuns. The ones that head home after a long day at the plant with a case of beast, cracking em open, going out to their **** weed patch to burn an old woodpile and some trash for the hell of it. Then walking a step inside his shoddy screen door to the multiple leaking old azz window unit ACs to cook some heavily packaged and preserved food on the cheap azz pot he will throw away in a year. While his wife preps for the night of their unceasing breeding with a disposable bic.

Either she is

A: Trolling for dick.

B: A lonely fat attention whore.

C: She believes now that she has a POS toxic tin can it gives her the license to preach because of the gas mileage and feels a new euphoric sense of enviro-imperialism and overall wisdom that the rest of us do not have and we truly care and seek her advice. (not mentioning the distaste in the intrusion preaching during a thread of a teenagers gloat of a senior picture.)

D: All of the above.

In the case of A, B, C or D, I would be happy to throw her to RYD or Shaggy.:D

I'm learning something here. I would have no reason to suspect that you Hummer people engage in energy efficiency. That's awesome. Hopefully, it's true. You'll only save money.

I'm too busy and active to be any of the above. I never sit still. I like to do. What thread of a teenagers gloat of a senior picture? I'm not trying to be a nuisance. I always believed diversity to be a good thing.

[RuggedH2]

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28343

:rolleyes:

[zoe1]

come on girl friend...at least give me a City & State...PM or e-mail me...I PROMISE NOT TO TELL ANYONE...

btw...I will be building as green as i can afford too

Scared.

[dеiтайожни]

Ladies, ladies... stop fighting over me. Just post your pics and I'll decide which one of you gets me. No need for this vicious cat fight business and unless said fight involves no shirts and a kiddie pool full of ky, it's usually a turn off anyways.

[Steve - SanJose]

Just say No.

[KenP]

I'm learning something here. I would have no reason to suspect that you Hummer people engage in energy efficiency. That's awesome. Hopefully, it's true. You'll only save money.I put in new super effecient A/C's in our house and guest house. That's good, right? Of course I keep the temp 2* colder now and run the one in the guest house all the time intead of just when needed, but I feel good because we're more efficient.

We love our plants and trees. They're great for the environment. To keep them that way I use lots and lots of water from the underground aquifer, just like my neighbors. I also use a ton of RoundUp to keep the weeds at bay. I don't want them killing any of the useful trees.

I use a bunch of fertilizer, too. Got to keep those plants healthy and green. I'm not too worried about the runoff because we've got too many darned fish in this world anyway.

We got rid of the H2 to get a more fuel effecient truck. Yep, honestly. Our Yukon gets about half a MPG better than a stock H2. Now we drive the heck out of the Yukon because we feel good about it now. Heck, we only drove the H2 about 7k miles a year, but that feel-good Yukon is going to get about 15k on it this year. Oh wait, that doesn't work out to a savings does it? That's ok, I can be a poser and feel good.

I put some of those flourescent bulbs in some of our lights. Now I run them all the time. Sometimes I accidently leave and incandescent bulb or two on overnight, but that's ok, right?

Hey, I'm trying and I feel good. All you enviro-haters be damned.

Now excuse me, I have to cut my lawn with our fuel effecient rider. We have a nickname for the mower, Old Smokey.

[BigPoppa1411]

:jump:

[DennisAJC]

I put in new super effecient A/C's in our house and guest house. That's good, right? Of course I keep the temp 2* colder now and run the one in the guest house all the time intead of just when needed, but I feel good because we're more efficient.

We love our plants and trees. They're great for the environment. To keep them that way I use lots and lots of water from the underground aquifer, just like my neighbors. I also use a ton of RoundUp to keep the weeds at bay. I don't want them killing any of the useful trees.

I use a bunch of fertilizer, too. Got to keep those plants healthy and green. I'm not too worried about the runoff because we've got too many darned fish in this world anyway.

We got rid of the H2 to get a more fuel effecient truck. Yep, honestly. Our Yukon gets about half a MPG better than a stock H2. Now we drive the heck out of the Yukon because we feel good about it now. Heck, we only drove the H2 about 7k miles a year, but that feel-good Yukon is going to get about 15k on it this year. Oh wait, that doesn't work out to a savings does it? That's ok, I can be a poser and feel good.

I put some of those flourescent bulbs in some of our lights. Now I run them all the time. Sometimes I accidently leave and incandescent bulb or two on overnight, but that's ok, right?

Hey, I'm trying and I feel good. All you enviro-haters be damned.

Now excuse me, I have to cut my lawn with our fuel effecient rider. We have a nickname for the mower, Old Smokey.


:jump::jump::perfect10s::jump::jump:

[BigPoppa1411]

. I also use a ton of RoundUp to keep the weeds at bay. I don't want them killing any of the useful trees.
.

I just spray diesel on the weeds at my house. easier than mixing roundup.:fdance:

[KenP]

I just spray diesel on the weeds at my house. easier than mixing roundup.:fdance:Thanks for the idea. Diesel is a hell-of-alot cheaper, too.:perfect10s:

[BigPoppa1411]

Thanks for the idea. Diesel is a hell-of-alot cheaper, too.:perfect10s:
Anytime man!;)
Save your used oil from your oil changes(recycling!) and burn it when you are on the patio in the evenig....great for skeeters!:D

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Scared.

of what ?

My word is my bond...

[PhuongHoang]

My word is my bond...

That's what you told me before you lured me into your car with candy. Are you coming to my 9 year birthday party this weekend?

[dеiтайожни]

of what ?

My word is my bond...

Fuhgeddaboudit... she is probably one of those uptight girls that doesn't want to be murdered/raped by someone she met online. There are plenty of other fish in the sea... and at shuffleboard night at the Elk's Lodge, RYD.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

That's what you told me before you lured me into your car with candy. Are you coming to my 9 year birthday party this weekend?

This was forwarded to the people who will be contacting you soon...

good luck !

[DennisAJC]

I just spray diesel on the weeds at my house. easier than mixing roundup.:fdance:

Diesel works? How fast?:D

[PhuongHoang]

of what ?

My word is my bond...

You gave me you word that FBI will come visit me but only you show. I was excited I even put on the special power rangers underwear you gave me for christmas. I still happy you run your tickly mustache over my young skin.

[BigPoppa1411]

:giggling:

[DennisAJC]

You gave me you word that FBI will come visit me but only you show. I was excited I even put on the special power rangers underwear you gave me for christmas. I still happy you run your tickly mustache over my young skin.


O......M......G !!!!!!!!!!!

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