Magnacharger supercharger and air intake

[H2BRUTE]

I'm about ready to have a magnacharger supercharger installed and am wondering what kind of air intake will fit with the addition of the supercharger..Maybe it comes with one..Based on the experiences of those of you who have already installed one, what type do you have and are you satisfied with it..As always, appreciate your inputs..Da BRUTE

[CONRAD II]

YOU WILL LOVE IT!!! I dont really remember if my charger came with a filter or not???? :shhh:

[Humdingah]

No filter as it uses the stock box and filter... You could go with an aftermarket box/filter combo that mounts in the stock position and uses the stock MAF mounting position...I bought a Volant box and filter specifically for this reason. From what I can tell it will work with the supercharger when I go that route.

[H2BRUTE]

Again, thanks for the advice..I'll let you know how I make out..In checking the pic of the kit, it appears that it comes with a new coupler since the throttle body is offset to the side. I appears that it is made to fit into the oem air intake filter box.:clapping:

[Humdingah]

Again, thanks for the advice..I'll let you know how I make out..In checking the pic of the kit, it appears that it comes with a new coupler since the throttle body is offset to the side. I appears that it is made to fit into the oem air intake filter box.:clapping:
Definitely comes with a new tube but the airbox/MAF remain in the stock location.

[Grizzy]

Just installed the magnacharger myself along with a few buddies to help me out. Worked on it all night this past Friday night. You're absolutely gonna LOVE this thing. Same night, I installed the Volant airbox. The night before, I went to a shop to have a magnaflow muffler installed. The magnaflow is hardly noticeable when driving down the interstate at a normal pace, but boy when you hit the pedal, that thing opens up and sounds incredible!! Then the magnacharger starts to whine at around 3k RPM +. It's incredibly exhilirating!!!!! GM should offer a supercharger as an upgrade option for warranty purposes, cuz if you install this thing, you can go ahead and say goodbye to your warranty, that is, if you have any left to begin with, like me. I have a couple condenser mics and running Cubase 4 on my laptop. I plan on getting a high quality audio recording of both exhaust combined with under-the-hood sound, like the supercharger winding up. I should have this audio clip available soon. I can give you guys a link later on if you're interested. I may even post a video of my SUT going 0-60mph both before and after the magnacharger upgrade.

Happy Trails

Grizzy

[Grizzy]

Ok here is the video. The first part shows a 0-60mph test (approx. 14secs) without the magnacharger. The following part will take a look under the hood right after the install. The final part will be a 0-60mph test (approx. 8secs with factory set 6psi boost) with the magnacharger.


http://www.atvparkvideo.com/videos/hummer.wmv



Grizzy

[H2BRUTE]

You're makin me drool..Can't wait to have one installed. I am definitely looking forward to it..:beerchug:

[H2BRUTE]

Grizzy, I noticed you changed the air intake filter box to a Volant..How does this compare to the stock air intake, since the s/c just mounts to the oem one normally?? I.e. Do you feel you get added performance? :beerchug:

[Grizzy]

Grizzy, I noticed you changed the air intake filter box to a Volant..How does this compare to the stock air intake, since the s/c just mounts to the oem one normally?? I.e. Do you feel you get added performance? :beerchug:

--It's all about air flow--
I did the airbox the same time as the s/c so I really have nothing to compare as far as before/after tests. Honestly, I'm not sure how the volant will add anymore air volume compared to the factory air box; only because I inspected the factory box after removal only to find that the two are practically the same, only a new k&n type oil coated filter that comes with the volant. However, changing the filter, whether you put it in a fancy looking volant box or not, is a definite plus. The new filter should allow more air flow, which should directly affect the performance of the s/c. (whether you go with an oil-coated filter or not has been up for debate.) Also, you should have a good open exhaust system to allow the air back out. Technically, to get the most out of the s/c, you should change your entire exhaust system from the headers back, but not a must. I opted not to get the headers, atleast not yet anyways, until I find out a little more about costs vs. actual performance increase. There is nearly no limit to how much you can spend for every little percentage of performance increase you actually gain. For now, I have a magnaflow muffler which opens the exhaust up quite a bit over the factory muffler. Although I'm still running a factory catalytic converter which is pretty restrictive. The s/c, air box, & muffler was my first step. I will have plans for more upgrades at some point and I'll keep you posted.

Can't wait for you to get your s/c installed. I know you'll love it. I'm excited for you! =)


Grizzy

[H2BRUTE]

Thanks Grizzy. I appreciate the input. I actually started backwards and installed a Bassani exhaust first then Dynamax long tube headers with flow through cats. They are amazing. Nice sound plus improved performance. I definitely think the addition of the flow through cats make a big difference over the stock cats.It will be about 2 weeks before the s/c gets here, then has to be installed, but I am trying to be patient.. I know I'm gonna love it..:beerchug:

[H2BRUTE]

Grizzy, I am getting down to the wire for installing the s/c and I was wondering if you could tell me where you bought the Volant filter box. I would like to add this since I am adding the s/c. I like the look and based on reviews, it appears that it adds to the performance ..BRUTE:perfect10s:

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Guys the main improvement of Volant or K&N or whatever brand over factory box, since if it comes with a box they mount in the same place, is the design of the tube from box to throttle body.

The factory tube has many little notchs and crooked turns that slow air down. Look at factory tube and then Volant tube, K&N tube, Air Raid tube and so on.

In my humble opinion just get a tube to straighten the air flow path which increases air flow speed. The straighter and shorter the distance the air travels the better. Many of the aftermarkets sell just tubes and they will fit factory box then you just put in hi-performance filter of choice. I run a cone shaped filter mounted on the front pass. fender compartment with a shield to help protect it from engine heat. It is in position to draw as much cool air from the inside fender slots as possible. It is not my final setup as we will build something else as we advance the boost water/meth inj. etc. Of course the sensor is still being used at this point but, will be gone before next spring which will open up more ideas for air flow There are many views on this subject but if throttle body did not pull air from straight behind the radiator but, pulled air in from the top as carbs. do I would in racing or just high perf. needs I would not put anything over the T-body intake if pointing up with an air scoop forcing air straight down from outside. I jerked air filter of my old hotrods all the time when wanting more air to get from scoop to carb unobstructed and never had any damage from not filtering air. When not needed put filter back on for normal driving. I have many ideas on how I want to improve airflow so that the supercharger in no way suffers for air when it asks for it.

Just my thoughts on the subject but, for everyday use on a supercharger allot are putting more concern for running whatever is claimed to give most HP increase when if you look hard at the numbers and what you use your rig for many are making a mountain out of a mole hill concerning who's kit flows more and makes more HP. You will gain as much HP increase by going to Royal Purple syn. oil as will most filter systems for air can provide. I saw this comparison on Horsepower TV on Spike using dyno's we could see the numbers on runs. Your looking at spending more than needed maybe. If you have a friend that is good at metal work or maybe exhaust shop, get him to make a tube with as straight a shot as you can get to T-body have it jet hot coated to keep air temp down inside tube hook it up and you are good to go using stock box.

I do want to say if you off road stay with factory setup and just change filter maybe? The factory is designed to collect water incase you are running through allot of water and aftermarket kits are not looking at that as it is no concern to them. They want to place their product in the best light of peformance gains.

TAZ

[H2BRUTE]

Thanks Taz.. What you say makes a lot of sense..From the looks of it, the supercharger coupler is L shaped and is a short, straight shot from one end to the other thereby maximizing air flow..BRUTE :beerchug:

[HiRoller]

guys;
In have the magnacharger unit but I donot have a boost guage. Where would you install the connection on the charger to get the right reading.

thanks,

[H2BRUTE]

I am in the process of having mine installed, Started yesterday and hopefully they will finish today, but I am having them do other stuff. If not ready today, when I pick it up on Monday, I will ask the shop where to connect it...:excited:

[H2 Bill]

In the Whipple there is a plug in the base of the S/C that you undo and connect the tube to that.

[Grizzy]

H2BRUTE, haven't heard from ya since last week. I trust they're done with your S/C by now surely. Waiting to hear from ya buddy. =)

[KenP]

I may even post a video of my SUT going 0-60mph both before and after the magnacharger upgrade.

Happy Trails

GrizzyLike this?

http://www.lingenfelter.com/0-60_000.mpeg

I don't know why they still use this one because I made before I sent it back to them to have it retuned.

Paul Sr on American Chopper has a SC. You could hear that baby last night when he gagged it a couple of times.:excited:

[Grizzy]

Like this?

http://www.lingenfelter.com/0-60_000.mpeg

I don't know why they still use this one because I made before I sent it back to them to have it retuned.

Paul Sr on American Chopper has a SC. You could hear that baby last night when he gagged it a couple of times.:excited:


Nice, always liked that vid, other than the crappy quality. It shows what the s/c should really do. I'm having my tranny looked at as we speak to determine the best upgrade for better shifting. Also considering an 8psi pulley for the s/c. Of course, if I'm only gaining less than 1 sec, and putting a tremendous amount of extra strain on the motor/trans, is it really worth it? But yes, I still like the video. Wish mine would 0-60 in 6secs. Not sure it's worth the extra risk though.

[dkhummerh2]

I am running a air rade intake with my s/c. I love it.
dk

[H2BRUTE]

Hey guys. Just picked up BRUTE this afternoon in the pouring rain. Supercharger is awesome. No whine before its time, so they say and this whine is great. Added a dual gauge pod for boost and fuel pressure as well. Looks awesome. Sets over the drivers side ac vent. Pictures to come, hopefully tomorrow. Problem why it took so long was that I had them install MSD wires and coil packs, but the coil packs didn't fit, so they had to be reordered and the second set didn't fit either. We ended up reinstalling the oem ones..All this took at least an additional 4 days. Also had them install the PIAA horns that I had purchased a while back that I was a little hesitant about installing since they were not a direct replacement. The guys did it for me without a problem..It certainly pays to know what you are doing..They definitely are louder than the oem ones, which is what I wanted, without having to get an air horn. The supercharger kit came with a K&N filter so we just replaced the oem one with it and kept the original box..I'll probably keep it for now, but I have my eye on an Injen one which aesthetically looks better. especially since I like to enter car shows, I will see if it will work with the sc coupler..Hope to psot some pics tomorrow,Da BRUTE:perfect10s: :perfect10s: :perfect10s: for the supercharger. An awesome piece of equipment

[H2BRUTE]

Well thanks to a beautiful S FL morning, I was able to detail the engine compartment and BRUTE and take some nice pics..Hope you enjoy them..BRUTE:excited:

[medihummer]

Dear H2 brute,

I've been looking for a new airfilter too on my supercharged H2. I contacted Terry Pedicard the technician from Magnuson superchargers and he advised me to stay with stock air box. He says that they tested several setups on a dyno run with their supercharger system and all had less power than the stock box. This guy knows what he is talking about he has a lot of experience and he tested everything in identical test conditions.He says you can gain a few horses on non blown engines but not on supercharger applications. I'd rather believe him instead of the bull**** of guys that claim they can feel the difference of .5 % of power gain. All the talks about intake boxes and airfilters is merely bull****. I've seen a few really well documented articles with air box replacements and dyno proof before and after. None has convinced me. If you win 2 or 3 hp mostly you loose on torque. The factory box takes the air from the right side outside the engine compartment. All systems with a cone filter in the engine compartment suck hotter air and lose power. These systems are by definition worse than stock. It seems a contradiction but if your supercharger has to suck air through a smaller pipe with more resistance, you will get a small lowered air pressure in the aspiration duct and this will lower the temperature. So on blown application more intake resistance does not mean less power by definition. I'd think twice if you consider a new intake system for power gains.

[H2BRUTE]

Thanks. I know I am keeping the oem box for now and probably will just change the filter. What you say makes a great deal of sense. Especially on the supercharged ones.

[Grizzy]

Well thanks to a beautiful S FL morning, I was able to detail the engine compartment and BRUTE and take some nice pics..Hope you enjoy them..BRUTE:excited:


Congrats on the s/c brute! I see you got the polished s/c. Looks great! Hey where did you get your guage pod and guages? I'm looking to add this to my H2 asap.

[Grizzy]

Also, while you were getting your s/c installed last week I put mine in the shop for a few other upgrades.

You can see them here.

http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29867

[H2BRUTE]

Thanks Griz. Your setup is by far the cleanest and neatest I have seen. Great Job!..The gauges and pod were ordered from autometer..link is
http://www.autometer.com/
I really like the cobalt blue gauges as they light up really neat at night..In addition to the boost gauge I opted for the fuel pressure, only because the shop recommended it..If the truth be known, I went for the BLING!! BRUTE

[Grizzy]

Thanks Griz. Your setup is by far the cleanest and neatest I have seen. Great Job!..The gauges and pod were ordered from autometer..link is
http://www.autometer.com/
I really like the cobalt blue gauges as they light up really neat at night..In addition to the boost gauge I opted for the fuel pressure, only because the shop recommended it..If the truth be known, I went for the BLING!! BRUTE


Thanks! Also, thanks for the link. Got with my performance shop today and ordered the nexus gauges fuel/boost. Also getting an 8psi pulley for the s/c. Will probably have to take the magnacharger superchips program back off and have the truck custom tuned on dyno to make this beneficial. Atleast that is what the shop is recommending.

[ttkresurfacing]

Grizzy,
If you go to pulley down, you may want to think about adding methanol injection. The maggies seem to get heat soaked by 8# on a 6.0 . As far as tuning you may try Nelson Performance if you don't have anyone good locally. He has done the tuning for mine and Orangecrush's with very good results. I am also getting ready to install a cam, 90mm throttle body, 8#, and methanol and will have him retune for the additions.

Tim

[H2BRUTE]

Hey Tim and Grizzy. Please keep us posted on your changes. I'm especially interested in the cam and throttle body..BTW, if you don't mind what would the cam +install run. I was thinking about this after I installed the s/c..Thanks, BRUTE

[Grizzy]

Grizzy,
If you go to pulley down, you may want to think about adding methanol injection. The maggies seem to get heat soaked by 8# on a 6.0 . As far as tuning you may try Nelson Performance if you don't have anyone good locally. He has done the tuning for mine and Orangecrush's with very good results. I am also getting ready to install a cam, 90mm throttle body, 8#, and methanol and will have him retune for the additions.

Tim


Nice! Two big questions, 1st, where is Nelson Performance located and can you send me over the phone #? 2nd, what have you done so far with your transmission and do you plan on doing anything else?

I'm suppose to have a local guy who builds race transmissions look at my tranny. I figured I'd give him and a couple others a chance to give me their opinions as well as a quote. I'm trying to gather as much info on the tranny as possible and replace/rebuild the components for optimal performance and longevity, and not just start replacing parts because I read it somewhere. So far I'm leaning towards upgraded torque converter, corvette servos, manual pressure regulator instead of electric, and kevlar bands. Does this sound like the right direction?

As far as going to the smaller pulley, my local dealer is gonna look into it tomorrow before he orders the part and call me back. I will remind him about the heating issue with the blower and see if he recommends anything. Perhaps a larger heat exchanger.?.? I see that magnuson has several to choose from although a larger exchanger would most likely have to be custom fit.

Methanol? How about nitrous! I see online at magnuson that nitrous may be directly blown into the magnacharger. However, depending on the amount of nitrous added, the twin screws may eventually show unusual wear as far as the finish of the screws themselves. This eventually will lead to failure and a premature rebuild of the blower itself. I got the forementioned information from an online manual at magnusons web site. My thoughts are, maybe a subtle 50lb shot of nitrous would be sufficient. Remember that up above I mention longevity of the tranny? Well, I want the motor to last as well! So the smaller pulley, methanol, nitrous, is all up in the clouds right now. Not sure how far I'm willing to go with this just yet. But certainly looking into everything. My local dealer wants to go ahead and rebuild the motor from the bottom up. I would like to wait on that, atleast until I blow this motor first. =)

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

If you go to the picture section and look up my pics you will see my gauge set up along with inside and outside mods using very different items than most do. I run a fuel pressure along with boost and air fuel for each bank of cylinders. Fuel pressure is controlled using a Keene Bell Boost A Pump. It allows me to make fine tuning of air/fuel on the go with control box inside the center console. You will see my SC in a different type look than normal. It helps to be able to use my idea of my setup due to the fact I run HPTUNERS
software as soon as I start up rig with all I need running on a mini P4 computer we built to sit in glass in rear console and it is in scan mode on the center 12" touchscreen. It all comes together in test runs with someone in co-pilot seat. Once all is set with changes in tune due to temp and humidity etc.

Your discussion on the air box is correct in my opinion. I do not like the tube though for street as it is restrictive. Using the factory for off road is the only tube to use as it will allow for mosture and some heavier stuff to fall into the down tube. I like the cone filters only if you are running a reverse cowl scoop as I do. It draws allot of the heat out quickly. My cone sets over the front passenger fender so that as the scoop increases the air turn over really quick I get a good rush of cold air from the right side of of radiator and factory air box holes. I do have a shield seperating the filter from engine heat but, not so that it will restrict the flow to much so that filter get's a good heavy flow of colder air. I like shield more like dam of colder incoming air just briefly and then it flows by.

You can run 12# boost without meth. inj. as long as tuned for that along with some other minor changes. It is so critical at 8 and up you need to use HPTUNERS software and a laptop so you can be really careful with your numbers. It is hard to ask Nelson to put on a tune above 8 and you tell him you are going to run metanol inj. at this PSI. Then if it is pure meth. or a water meth. mix which in many cases is better than just meth. You can run allot of boost just running race fuel. Nelson is the only person I would let tune on my rig but, I know unless he has rig in shop he can safely only do a tune on 93 octane at whichever boost pulley you buy from him. I hope I'm explaining it OK. I'm going to 18#'s next spring or summer then I will have no choice but to inj. meth. I will be adding a co2 spray on the aftercooler and most likely run fuel line through an ice bucket as well on special occasions. Any one of these elements I add or take out I have tune for it in real time. There is no way I could ask Nelson to come up with a tune for any of those configurations. I just wanted to mention this so know one expects miracles from Allen.

Well good luck to you all and it is cool to see more owners going to forced induction if it fits in with how you want to use your rig. One of the next things I want to do is put twin turbo's on a H2 to play around with. I'm sort of grounded right now with some health problems but, hope to be back tp full speed by next spring.

Build the rigs strong and run them the way you built them.

TAZ

[johndjmix1]

Im at the stock 6lbs boost and been running 87, no pinging....runs great.

--John

[Grizzy]

oh cool! nelson is only 4hrs from me. Looks like I'm taking a trip to san antonio real soon. yippy!

[Grizzy]

BRUTE, just realized that the guage pod you're using will block my new tweeets in the a-pillar, atleast the one on the driver side. Anyways, might have to find a better location for the guages, maybe something custom. Dropped $800 for a set of Focal mids/highs for the front. Don't wanna block that tweet! I like my music!

[CONRAD II]

I have the same guage pod and aftermarket tweeters. Don't worry they will not block the sound at all.

[Grizzy]

I have the same guage pod and aftermarket tweeters. Don't worry they will not block the sound at all.



SWEET! Had the same setup in my F250, but only I didn't have a guage pod blocking my driver tweet, only the freakin dash itself! Didn't really notice much, but didn't like it anyhow.


Thanks