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DennisAJC
02-01-2003, 06:17 AM
I ORDERD PEWTER H2 IN OCTOBER FOR AN APRIL DELIVERY(SIGH...). BUT TILL THEN, EVERY 2 WEEKS
THE DEALER LET'S ME BOOT ONE AROUND. I TOOK IT TO THIS AREA WHERE THERE WERE ABOUT 6 OR 7 JEEP
YJ's AND TJ's. THEY SAW IT AND THEY ALL GAVE ME A THUMBS DOWN(PLUS A FEW BIRDS). ONE GUY YELLED OUT, "THAT'S THE UGLIEST SUV I'VE SEEN". TRANSLATION TO ALL THAT IS, THEY ARE JEALOUS AND THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE NEW ELITE GROUP....H2
....EVERY ONE CAN HAVE A JEEP AND BE ONE OF THE SHEEP....BUT ONLY A FEW CAN HAVE A HUMMER AND TRULY TURN HEADS.

DennisAJC
02-01-2003, 06:17 AM
I ORDERD PEWTER H2 IN OCTOBER FOR AN APRIL DELIVERY(SIGH...). BUT TILL THEN, EVERY 2 WEEKS
THE DEALER LET'S ME BOOT ONE AROUND. I TOOK IT TO THIS AREA WHERE THERE WERE ABOUT 6 OR 7 JEEP
YJ's AND TJ's. THEY SAW IT AND THEY ALL GAVE ME A THUMBS DOWN(PLUS A FEW BIRDS). ONE GUY YELLED OUT, "THAT'S THE UGLIEST SUV I'VE SEEN". TRANSLATION TO ALL THAT IS, THEY ARE JEALOUS AND THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE NEW ELITE GROUP....H2
....EVERY ONE CAN HAVE A JEEP AND BE ONE OF THE SHEEP....BUT ONLY A FEW CAN HAVE A HUMMER AND TRULY TURN HEADS.

Steve R
02-01-2003, 06:33 AM
Yeah...they can be real jealous bastards...all but Mike.

PreyOBird6
02-01-2003, 03:45 PM
unless they really think its ugly... but why woud anyone call the h2 ugly?

oh wait...

Wait... who are the sheeps shelling out $60K for a box with a similar name as a real "leader" that is still $50K too expensive for them?

Are you someone who your mom told when kids picked on you that the other kids were just jealous? Sometimes mom is wrong.

Mike97ZJ
02-01-2003, 07:37 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When I first saw the H2, I put it in the same category as the Aztec and Avalanche.

It has started to grow on me since then, but I will NEVER like the dash design.

I'm much more impressed with the mechanical features than I am the looks.

What those guys said was deffinitly uncalled for and very immature. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

I don't think they were jealous about not being part of the "elite group" though. More than likely, they probably thought you were a yuppie poser and wanted to let you know it.

JohnnyBoy
02-01-2003, 11:20 PM
I agree that probably about 90 percent of the people out there that dislike the H2 are jealous because they probably would love to own one but can't afford it!

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03 Hummer H2 Adv./Lux. Pkgs. Sunset Orange W/Sunroof
Air Spring Susp. Pkg. + 3rd. row seat
http://www.haugens.com

Mike97ZJ
02-01-2003, 11:27 PM
I think you're half right.

Probably just jealous because they can't afford one.

To be 100% honest, that is my first emotion when I see one going down the street. I think the same thing when I see a Navigator or Escalade, too.

Doesn't mean that I want one, but it would be nice to be able to AFFORD one.

If I had 60k to spend on a vehicle, I'd probably take 30k to buy a nice daily driver, and take the other 30k and buy a restored classic car.

SONA
02-01-2003, 11:34 PM
We had a husband wife couple that we were close to say to us the day we got ours, "those things are totally ugly and I would never own one", we were shocked since they were good friends and we called just to share our excitement with them. Then they proceeded to give us a cold shoulder for a week or two. So after a while I went over and got the hubby to drive it around the neighborhood, he came around, the wife took a little longer. We concluded it must just be the jelous thing... shrugged it off, we are still friends (I think? Sort of)

"Let me show you my gun collection"

JohnnyBoy
02-02-2003, 02:26 AM
People like that just piss me off. I have or had friends just like that.
I'm not the richest man in the world. There are alot of things out there that other people have that I could just dream of. And yes, I too get jealous at times, and think to myself, boy I would love to have that. But I never would through it in someones face that can afford something that I couldn't.

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03 Hummer H2 Adv./Lux. Pkgs. Sunset Orange W/Sunroof
Air Spring Susp. Pkg. + 3rd. row seat
http://www.haugens.com

bklynh2srock
02-03-2003, 12:18 AM
If we were still stuck with our Jeep, I'd be jealous too!

Steve R
02-03-2003, 06:05 AM
Whatever....it's all just a bunch of metal, rubber and plastic....it's what you do with it that counts. After all...in the end it all ends up in a junkyard being scrapped.

I waited a year for the thing to come out...and when I first saw it I was quite upset. I love the front angle and the rear finally grew tolerable....but I still look at it and don't think much of it. How's that for honesty?

Dogger
02-03-2003, 12:19 PM
I own a 2001 Jeep Grand Limited and I am totally jealous of all you H2 owners. I'll admit it. I just keep lurking here in hopes of some day I can afford an H2. Until then I will continue to just read about them. I do like my Jeep but want an H2 bad.

SJ
02-03-2003, 03:10 PM
I've found that it all depends on the individual and Jeep owners/enthusiasts tend to be a loyal lot.

I had one lady pull up to the gas station in her lifted TJ and she rolled down her window and proceeded to impart nothing but sincere and positive comments. She indicated that she was "glad to see another bad-ass American rig being produced."

DennisAJC
02-03-2003, 03:53 PM
PreyObird6 is totally wrong, Mom is always right! I've been a stock Yj Sahara owner for
8 years and I'll tell you. If your jeep isn't modified, lifted, or beefed up,....Jeep enthusiasts can be really cold. I've worked damn hard to save up for this puppy and I will enjoy it. And yes they are jealous because NO MATTER WHAT THEY PUT ON THEIR JEEPS, IT WILL NEVER OUTPERFORM A STOCK H2!!!

Oh and Mike97ZJ, Ego or not, Hummers are ELITE, that's why I want one. I want to be a yuppie poser, then I'll buy a Beemer.

I'm from B.C. Canada, the terrain here is Hummer country....Not many yuppie posers here.

Canada mourns for the astronauts too. Hang in there guys.

KAC
02-03-2003, 08:24 PM
I'm surprised to hear so many people say they don't like the looks. It still, after owning if for almost 3 months, makes me grin every time I see it. I like the looks and the fact that it looks ready to go out and play hard. I've liked the looks since the first time I saw it.

Kim

KAC
'03 Red Adv Series

Steve R
02-04-2003, 07:35 AM
Good to see you posting Kim....wondered what became of you.

Spidey
02-04-2003, 09:19 AM
I'm with you Kim, I think the H2 is outstanding
to look at.

Speaking of looks, Have you seen the New Toyota FJ CruiserAt first I didn't like it but it is starting to grow on me. what do you think THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ??

KAC
02-04-2003, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spidey:
I'm with you Kim, I think the H2 is outstanding
to look at.

Speaking of looks, Have you seen the New Toyota FJ CruiserAt first I didn't like it but it is starting to grow on me. what do you think THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN ??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I much prefer the H2 to this H2 wannabe. THUMBS DOWN!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Good to see you posting Kim....wondered what became of you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Still here - having a hard time catching up after missing all of this for 2 weeks. You guys are talkative!

Kim

KAC
'03 Red Adv Series

[This message was edited by KAC on February 04, 2003 at 04:50 PM.]

Steve R
02-18-2003, 05:43 PM
Jeepster...

If you take the time to notice you may discover that this, in fact, happens to be a Hummer H2 forum. Perhaps you were looking for the Jeep forum?

Ahhh....don't worry about it. You've got some good points...things we've covered already. We've come to figure our respective vehicles are like our genetailia...we all have 'em, they differ to some degree....but we don't need to play "who's is better".

The bottom line is that the Jeeps (while being lethally effective) are really not a good comparison to a Hummer. In other words...your not comparing apples to apples.

The Jeep has a small wheelbase and is packaged nicely to accomplish many task offroad. It's silly to compare the vehicles: I've witnessed obstacles that each vehicle could do that the other can't.

Just recently, one of my buddies pre-ran the John Bull trail up in Big Bear for our club: he was able to get up a nasty incline with no problem....whereas a Jeep Rubicon (your flag-ship) was unable to make it despite repeated attempts. Does that make the H2 better then a Rubicon? well...in that particular situation yes...but can the H2 rockcrawl with her big size and longer wheelbase....not nearly as well.

My buddy Dennis was just being a bit over-enthusiastic about the H2. We've endured a few attacks from other forums here and there....so please excuse what you may perceive as an overly defensive repsonse.

On a friendly note, if you plan to stick around (and your welcome to), you may want to reconsider your username to something else....maybe something that doesn't incorporate the term Jeep in it?

Btw, while you read this post...somebody just stuck a paper with the words "I LOVE HUMMERS" on the back of your shirt!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jason
02-18-2003, 06:24 PM
He was not deleted. I just sent him a private message, basically stating what STEVE said.

No one will be deleted unless they are offensive, their posts may be moved to other sections of the forum however.

Jason

Jason
02-18-2003, 06:57 PM
I did not move his post ... I was speaking in general terms.

Some posts may get moved to the other sections of the forum where it is a more appropriate subject for the topic.

Duramax Diesel for H2
02-18-2003, 08:02 PM
Hey Jason how is your H2 Owner experience going? Still sleeping in your Rig? And when do you plan on taking it out on it's first off-road outing?

Steve R
02-18-2003, 08:09 PM
CO-Hummer,

Your talking blasphemy! Jason explained the situation full and well....hold-off on using the "M-word" before you check it out. I've found that there are lots of people on the site and things can get screwy from time to time.

Klaus
02-18-2003, 08:46 PM
Sorry, but Jason does not need to "explain" anything he does with this forum. The H2 forum is his, and he is doing a great job.

Jason has invited us here. At any time of his choosing he can either remove a posting, or withdraw the welcome mat. It's that simple.

Didn't your poll and the responses tell you anything?

kelleymac2000
02-18-2003, 09:55 PM
Or, the reason that the poll may have been split 50/50 was the wording of the question. I had to read it three times before it was clear to me what "yes" meant and what "no" meant. A classic example of how to skew results in a poll. (Not implying that you did it on purpose, just that the end result is the same.) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kelley

HeeHaw
02-18-2003, 09:58 PM
Some threads in this post suggest some people don't like the look of the H2. I was part of that group. The first H2 I saw was driving down the freeway in the #3 lane and was white like mine is. I said "OUUUH, that is ugly." That was a quote and my better-half brings that up to me ever once in a while. The look grows on you and now I LOVE it!

So I can see someone saying "that's UGLY." I did!

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

Arizona Hummerboy
02-18-2003, 10:05 PM
I found a way to get them to shut up, I show them a picture of the durnk driver jeep that hit me, and them I show them the picture of my Hummer H2, the jeep pople walk off not saying mush.

Texas Red
02-18-2003, 10:46 PM
COHum,
I think we could say this Forum is an "open community" as long as one plays nice. Kinda like kids in a sandbox. If you can't play nice you'll be sent home. Hehe! Jason is like the parent whose backyard you're playing in.

Reminds me of that book entitled something like "Everything I need to know I learned in Kindergarten".

Jim
Red H2

Jeepster
02-19-2003, 02:50 AM
Hey I posted results of tests what they said. I'm not saying that the H2 is a bad machine. Actually I think its an highly capable machine. I am wanting to learn more about the H2. I'm more of an Offroad vechile fan. I was just stating facts that someone says the H2 is much better. It is in certain aspects but isn't in other like offroading. You guys dissed jeeps first so i defended them with tests by several people have said. I didn't mean to flame.

HeeHaw
02-19-2003, 02:58 AM
Hey, Jeeps are cool. When did we dis the jeeps? Mike is on the board and he wouldn't stand for that.

We're cool Jeepster!

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

Jeepster
02-19-2003, 03:02 AM
only reason i said something was somebody said this
NO MATTER WHAT THEY PUT ON THEIR JEEPS, IT WILL NEVER OUTPERFORM A STOCK H2!!!

But its all cool

HeeHaw
02-19-2003, 03:16 AM
We know that is not true. A jeep is a nice vehicle. I currently own a 4x4 Cherokee 2002 and it is driven by my girlfriend. She loves the Hummer, but she will not give up her Jeep.

Mike could modify a Jeep easily that would out perform our Stock H2.

One thing I know for sure is this: For being a stock vehicle, the H2 is nice and performs very well. And because of its tires and power, can hold its own in most situations when compared to other STOCK vehicles. Modified vehicles are a totally different story

See ya

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

MAC
02-19-2003, 03:25 AM
CO, I did not and do not understand your YES or NO question/poll in the other topic on the same subject started by you. My read of the responses is totally different than your conclusion.

Can we just drop it? we are one big happy family. Why do you want to keep on draging this dead horse all over the places/topics? Those Jeep or Disco topics are still on this forum in the proper sections, everyone can go there to keep them going till the cows come home or fat lady sings. Let's just move on, please.

MAC
02-19-2003, 03:56 AM
I had several thumbs up from Jeeps and Rovers last weekend. It was all smile, thumb up and wave. We just had a few bad apples Jeep and Disco drivers visited the forum, they do not represent all other Jeep and Rover owners.

When I drive down the road, I never think "Mine is better than yours" about the vehicles next to me. Big guys and bosses don't do that. People in top of the line S class, 7 series or Cadillacs don't do that, only jr. people in smaller vehicles do that, the bosses just drive pass the juniors without even knowing they are there. Same maybe true on the highway of life.

Thus the reason why when buying a vehicle, one needs a "category Killer", "Best in its class". Nothing to do with how expensive it is, but must have certain merits to rise above the rest, such as a Mini Cooper, a Bug, Mach 1, Vette, S500 and many others, all have something unique or history to free them from the competition.

Steve R
02-19-2003, 04:36 AM
CoHum...I was sorta kidding with regards to the use of the "Blashphemy" word. Hope you didn't take that too hard or wrong. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeepster...I hear ya, the statement you were responding to was a bit degrading to Jeeps...which is why I didn't jump down your throat and understood your position. You still implied something about the H2 not being better offroad...that honestly depends on what type of offroading your talking about. Again...it's silly, futile and pointless to compare.

DennisAJC
01-07-2006, 01:04 AM
OMFG!!! Alec! That's quite the pad! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Memory lane. The passion hasn't changed. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

DennisAJC
01-07-2006, 01:23 AM
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We haven't changed much. My cock is longer but that's aboot it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CO Hummer
01-07-2006, 01:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
My cock is longer but that's aboot it. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's like the tides man. Strange coincidence that Moab always seems to fall during "low tide".

Fastest H-Town Realtor
01-07-2006, 03:11 AM
1-When did we get a mod? I thought this was open warfare...

2-I like the Jeep Wrangler- Gonna get one as a beater. Is that a bad thing?

DRTYFN
01-07-2006, 04:46 AM
Now we know bird of faggotry from our other site.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Fruity tooty bitch.

H2Finally
01-07-2006, 05:25 AM
So AlecW used to be CO-Hummer? Who was CO Hummer then? Why did CO-Hummer became AlecW and whoever CO Hummer was became CO Hummer? This is interesting! Not memory lane for me, more like finding an antique trunk at en estate sale.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN
01-07-2006, 05:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
So AlecW used to be CO-Hummer? Who was CO Hummer then? Why did CO-Hummer became AlecW and whoever CO Hummer was became CO Hummer? This is interesting! Not memory lane for me, more like finding an antique trunk at en estate sale.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh??? Just work on our stuff, bish.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

H2Finally
01-07-2006, 05:38 AM
Oh, AlecW was CoHumOwner or sumsuch?

I'm workin! I'm workin! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif You may not be aware of this; but I'm a master multi-tasker http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It\'s a Dry Heat
01-07-2006, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">THUMBS DOWN </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
FJ.....THUMBS DOWN

CO Hummer
01-07-2006, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
Oh, AlecW was CoHumOwner or sumsuch?

I'm workin! I'm workin! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif You may not be aware of this; but I'm a master multi-tasker http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought he was CO Hummerman.

KenP
01-07-2006, 01:56 PM
Wow, this is an old one. Dennis was still a virgin.

KenP
01-07-2006, 02:08 PM
Should I be pissed?

ROX
01-07-2006, 06:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Should I be pissed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was pissed someone took the name CO Hummer.
I wanted that! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KenP
01-07-2006, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Should I be pissed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was pissed someone took the name CO Hummer.
I wanted that! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You should have OR HUMMER.

ROX
01-07-2006, 07:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Evidently I was just the same ******* http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Evidently. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

h2co-pilot
01-07-2006, 08:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alec W:
Evidently I was just the same ******* http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Evidently. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CO Hummer
01-08-2006, 01:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Should I be pissed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was pissed someone took the name CO Hummer.
I wanted that! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was pissed someone took the name ZeroTolerance.

I'm just glad that Alec W distanced himself from the highly praised CO HummXXXX line before he posted that tie rod video.

ROX
01-08-2006, 02:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CO Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Should I be pissed? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was pissed someone took the name CO Hummer.
I wanted that! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was pissed someone took the name ZeroTolerance.

I'm just glad that Alec W distanced himself from the highly praised CO HummXXXX line before he posted that tie rod video. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Good thing he wasn't driving Yeller at teh time. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CO Hummer
01-08-2006, 02:16 AM
Can Tim take the name "H3 Rocks"?

ROX
01-08-2006, 02:31 AM
Not until he proves it! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

h2co-pilot
01-08-2006, 02:32 AM
No, I like "H3 Rolls". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif