re: Moab, A Letter From Bill Burke

[Fubar]

Bill Burke is an experienced off road instructor and guide who frequently works in the Moab area.

http://www.bb4wa.com/letter.htm

I am pleased to say that those from this site who recently visited Moab displayed none of the practices mentioned here.

[Fubar]

Bill Burke is an experienced off road instructor and guide who frequently works in the Moab area.

http://www.bb4wa.com/letter.htm

I am pleased to say that those from this site who recently visited Moab displayed none of the practices mentioned here.

[ShaggyX]

The article is ammusing to me (I like how he takes shots at the bad drivers in built rigs), but the fact that it needed to be written is sad.

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
Every day I see young kids in Jeeps and compact pickups tearing up the local beaches. They think it's cool to do donuts in the sand next to people enjoying the beach, but it just reinforces the stereotype about 4WD drivers.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey...I am a kid that drives a compact pickup. What are you trying to say? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[h2co-pilot]

Shaggy he is saying that you are a punk. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I agree, my family had a beach house in Carova, NC. ( my father since lost it to wife #2) It is a beach with wild horses and no asphalt. We had to let almost all of the air out of the Mack U-haul tires to get our furniture in that house. Needless to say, miles down the beach. Anyway, it's beautiful. But it is constantly beat up by amatuer SUVists, especially in the last few years. They do the old swerv up and down the dunes. Beer bottles everywhere. I saw one lady in an Explorer a couple of years ago running it through the surf. Saltwater- not smart. Anyway it was heartbreaking to watch. Some nitwits even started shooting and killing the horses. Pisses me off- sorry for the rant.

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Shaggy he is saying that you are a punk. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, as long as that is all he is saying it is fine. I openly admit to being a punk on a regular basis. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[NoMoGMPG]

While in Moab and on Poison Spider/Golden Spike trail, one of the trucks had a minor problem and was being worked on. While the truck was blocking the trail, this young driver cut across a small section of undisturbed soil to get to a go-around trail. Now, it wasn't very far but I lit him up on the ettiquette of staying on the trail. Fact is, he didn't know about the cryptobiotic soil fraility and nobody ever educated him about public perception and projecting the right image of wheelers. He definately does now. It is up to us to do that educating or else as Bill Burke writes, it will be the death of our sport.

[Hart1]

Look what Bill Burke is putting on in my area:

Bill Burke's On the Road...
2-Day Driver Training Event
Click on logo for comments & links to more pics

On the Road...Anza Borrego
November 5 & 6, 2005
$355./vehicle (1 or 2 adults in vehicle). Limit 8 vehicles.
Call 970-858-3468 to register.

[ShaggyX]

Seth...by your logic I never should have tried Golden Spike. Dont get me wrong, I probably shouldnt have...but I stayed on the trail the whole time. Most people in my truck (or a similar truck) would have crapped themselves and made their own trail about 100 yards into it...but I didnt. I just needed a few tugs here and there. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Is it really that difficult to stay on the trail??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[h2co-pilot]

It looked like Shaggy held his own from the pics anyway, I think the problem is they crapped (period) and started leaving it about 100 yards into it. The article said he buried 5 piles of human effluence- Drty? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Are there any supervisors or rangers out there?

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
It looked like Shaggy held his own from the pics anyway, I think the problem is they crapped (period) and started leaving it about 100 yards into it. The article said he buried 5 piles of human effluence- Drty? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Are there any supervisors or rangers out there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>OK...either you completely misunderstood my post...or you intentionally went off on a wild tangent. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[h2co-pilot]

I am tangentagious. I was just pointing out that one of the main problems is leaving trash and ruining the natural scape.

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
I am tangentagious. I was just pointing out that one of the main problems is leaving trash and ruining the natural scape. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I am so confused right now. I want my mommy.

[h2co-pilot]

I was being nice to you punk. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
I am tangentagious. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Just as long as you are not tangentcontagious http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[h2co-pilot]

Cough *Cough* I don't think so......Hell- I'm going back to the the kitchen now. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
Cough *Cough* I don't think so......Hell- I'm going back to the the kitchen now. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Which is exactly where you belong. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

I have no problem saying I have no idea how to off road, with the exception off getting on a huge 4 wheel drive tractor and just running over everything on the farm. But, I have been around nature enjoying the different hobbies I do that common sense tells Me in My gut what I should do and not do. It is called morality and respect. If You do it and kind of look around to see if anyone saw You then it was probably wrong. I read the mans article and can find nothing to argue with. I have determined that if I can not ride with someone of the caliber of drivers We have on Our forum then I will go to this man and go to His classes. I hope to have a second rig by next spring and a full fledged off road rig. I have mentioned to Phil about passing ideas for the build as He thinks of them and I would appreciate any serious effort by any member to PM with ideas. The paint scheme is being designed now and I want road armor with corners. 6" lift and from there I'm open to advice from A to Z. It will happen Lord willing and the creek does not rise. I would really enjoy the Forum helping with their input. I will began to read about the sport and if anyone has any books etc. for Me to read I would be greatful if You would send Me the titles so I can buy them. But, in the mean time I'm contacting this gentleman this weekend to learn more about His classes. I feel confident that we have enough of Our Buddies who would not do stupid things as mentioned in the article. If not then as a group We need to police Our own when We can.
I thank everyone for any help to educate me.
I want to learn and usually research very well in the process but, need to know what to read and study.
Glad everyone had a great time at Moab. Love all the pics, it looks so great. Things like You would see a painter paint on canvas.
TAZ

[KenP]

The point is, it's sad that would have to be written in the first place.

I guess the punks don't understand "Carry in, carry out".

[Fubar]

Seth,
A lot of Moab is BLM land and despite the residents best efforts, they are not going to be able to shut down land owned by the government.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Exactly Ken, well said.
TAZ

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
The point is, it's sad that would have to be written in the first place.

I guess the punks don't understand "Carry in, carry out". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I guess the punks don't understand "Carry in, carry out". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey...not all Punks are litterers (is that a word?). I am a Punk and I dont litter. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I guess the punks don't understand "Carry in, carry out". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey...not all Punks are litterers (is that a word?). I am a Punk and I dont litter. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You've been alittle jumpy this whole thread, Shaggy. Relax and smoke one, buddy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I guess the punks don't understand "Carry in, carry out". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey...not all Punks are litterers (is that a word?). I am a Punk and I dont litter. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You've been alittle jumpy this whole thread, Shaggy. Relax and smoke one, buddy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I dont smoke either damnit!!!

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
I guess the punks don't understand "Carry in, carry out". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey...not all Punks are litterers (is that a word?). I am a Punk and I dont litter. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You've been alittle jumpy this whole thread, Shaggy. Relax and smoke one, buddy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I dont smoke either damnit!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That did it! I need to log off and go to bed. Thanks for making me laugh, Shaggy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif That made my night! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif