Michael Jackson's Verdict is....

[H2Finally]

NOT Guilty! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Oh, somethin abt H2s.. here's me high-centered yesterday at Azusa (there is another ledge right below that, so can't accelerate enough). Teach me next time NOT to follow ruts left by 3 H1s.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[H2Finally]

NOT Guilty! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Oh, somethin abt H2s.. here's me high-centered yesterday at Azusa (there is another ledge right below that, so can't accelerate enough). Teach me next time NOT to follow ruts left by 3 H1s.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Mully]

OJ is innocent too?! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[DennisAJC]

HAHAHAHA!!!!! Paranoid crackers! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Of course MJ's innocent! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the Juice...... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[NoMoGMPG]

Make no mistake, he's a peanut puffer, but...a rich peanut puffer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[usetosellhummer]

Money can't buy you love, but it can buy you great lawers

[Adam in CO]

Now he and OJ can hit the golf course, with 2 gloves, and find the real pedophile. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KenP]

Damn, I wanted to see the losers in LA riot. I love it how they tear apart their own neighborhoods. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Mully]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Adam in CO:
Now he and OJ can hit the golf course, with 2 gloves... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[angelus]

Suprised the hell out of me. Thought he would be found guilty of something. Listening to the jurors boy they are a bunch of stupid gits. Can't answer a question fully. Just watch as the book deals start rolling in.

[DRTYFN]

... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I'm so pissed off at those idiot jurors!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Harley]

Damn...

Mike T gives up...

Mike J gets off...

what's wrong w/ this picture???

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harley:
Damn...

Mike T gives up...

Mike J gets off...

what's wrong w/ this picture???

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>MJ fades away...

Actually it was the prosecutor's fault. He should have focused on the molestation charges and not gone off looking for conspiracy theories. Then momma wouldn't have been up there along with so many others. They let the defense walk right over the prosecution witnesses.

[HummerNewbie]

I didn't follow the trial but I can not believe that FREAK got off again.

[GeorgeSSSS]

Question: What does Michael Jackson like most about twenty-eight year olds?

Answer: There are twenty of them.

George SSSS

[HummerNewbie]

Just a little message from Iraq http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[firm]

Somebody made a good point last night on tv. While you may not like MJ, or his actions, and while sleeping with boys is completely inappropriate, it's still not illegal. Can't let the fact that we like or don't like someone play into whether they are guilty or innocent. This is still america.

[Dan]

All I know is that if one of your neighbors was doing the **** he does, he'd be in jail in a heartbeat.

Pissed..... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[h2co-pilot]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I'm so pissed, not one charge, out of ten!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Dumbass jurors, can't wait for the book deals. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Firm- It's not the fact that he is just a "Grade A" wierdo, the evidence was substantial and this was not the first time he was pursued for this type of offense. Sleeping with boys is "inappropriate"? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Please, It's disgusting! This is America- and we have too many damned loopholes that allow the suppression of the Prosecution's Evidence Disclosure. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

If it was one of my neighbors he wouldn't make it to court. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Edit: If he was black he would have been convicted. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[ROX]

You guys are right! If it was your neighbor, or your Pastor, or your Son's coach, that person would be in Jail, and he wouldn't have any friends left. UNBELIEVABLE!
The article I read this morning says that there wasn't enough evidence to convict him of "these" charges, and that the jury believes he has abused boys in the past, just not this boy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Quote:Later, several used their names during interviews with the news media, including Juror No. 1, Raymond Hultman, 62. He told The Associated Press in an interview at his home that he believed Jackson may have molested at least two boys - but not the accuser.

He said he voted to acquit Jackson in the current case because he had doubts about the accuser's credibility. "That's not to say he's an innocent man,'' Hultman said. "He's just not guilty of the crimes he's been charged with.''

Why do people even let their kids go there?

[H2Finally]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
Why do people even let their kids go there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>In this particular case, it's prob entrapment. "Well, he is a suspected pedophile.. I like money, I have a boy.. ok, I'm gonna let my boy sleep with him. If he takes the bait, I'll sue him and I'm gonna MAKE MILLIONS!" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Somebody made a good point last night on TV. While you may not like MJ, or his actions, and while sleeping with boys is completely inappropriate, it's still not illegal. Can't let the fact that we like or don't like someone play into whether they are guilty or innocent. This is still America. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's be perfectly clear. NOTHING in yesterday’s legal proceedings indicates that MJ is innocent. He was found NOT GUILTY of the allegations against him regarding these incidents with this kid.

In our system of jurisprudence, you don't get convicted on previous charges, only the current ones and only if proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecutor has a vendetta against MJ and let his emotions cloud his assessment of the strength of his case. He went overboard on the charges and didn't have the evidence to back it up. Consequently, his case was not credible to the jury.

Honestly, I think the jurors made the right choice based upon the preponderance of evidence. Is MJ a child molester? I think he probably is. But I think in his deluded perspective, he really believes he did nothing wrong.

Does our legal system need improvement? Maybe, but not based upon this case. Eight white women and 4 white men in Santa Barbara County, some of whom are parents, say that based upon the evidence presented, this poor freak of a human being in not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I think the system worked perfectly. In countries where a rush to judgment would have found Jackson guilty, there are tens of thousands of innocents sitting in a gulag (or the like) right now.

God bless America. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Ed G.]

Anyone that thinks our justice system works has their heads buried in the sand, it is as corrupt as the day is long.

[firm]

Tower -You said it very well.

Did he probably do it? Yeah, I think he did. Was the evidence there, no it wasn't. We HAVE to go on the evidence. Would your neighbor probably be guilty, yeah he would. This shows how money can play a huge role into our legal system. The sad part of the story is that a boy was probably molested, a mother put her son into that situation, and Micheal Jackson has some real problems. The only thing good that I can see from this case is that money trumped race. Maybe as a society we are progressing past these issues. 100 years ago this case probably would have never gone to trial.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Somebody made a good point last night on tv. While you may not like MJ, or his actions, and while sleeping with boys is completely inappropriate, it's still not illegal. Can't let the fact that we like or don't like someone play into whether they are guilty or innocent. This is still america. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet you said the same thing after O.J. got off on the double murder charges. Typical.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[firm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Somebody made a good point last night on tv. While you may not like MJ, or his actions, and while sleeping with boys is completely inappropriate, it's still not illegal. Can't let the fact that we like or don't like someone play into whether they are guilty or innocent. This is still america. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet you said the same thing after O.J. got off on the double murder charges. Typical.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure did, and after Robert Blake's trial also

[Klaus]

Jackson got the best justice money can buy. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I think the jurors should be required to send their kids to Jackson's ranch for a week! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[tower]

C'mon, Klaus. If the evidence wasn't there, you wouldn't have convicted him either. Regardless of whether he had done it before or even if you thought he did it this time. If it isn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt, are you going to compromise your integrity by finding him guilty on insufficient evidence? I think not. I think more highly of you than that.

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
Tower -You said it very well.

Did he probably do it? Yeah, I think he did. Was the evidence there, no it wasn't. We HAVE to go on the evidence. Would your neighbor probably be guilty, yeah he would. This shows how money can play a huge role into our legal system. The sad part of the story is that a boy was probably molested, a mother put her son into that situation, and Micheal Jackson has some real problems. The only thing good that I can see from this case is that money trumped race. Maybe as a society we are progressing past these issues. 100 years ago this case probably would have never gone to trial. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very well said, FIRM.

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ed G.:
Anyone that thinks our justice system works has their heads buried in the sand, it is as corrupt as the day is long. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You may be right. But do not ignore that our system is designed to convict as many guilty as possibly, while convicting NO INNOCENTS. So it is a weighted system, erring in favor of those who are innocent. If this is corruption, I'll live with it.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Klaus, I think not. I think more highly of you than that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with Klaus on this one.

MONEY BUYS YOU FREEDOM.

I have NO DOUBT in my mind if this were a po black or white man, he'd be wearin prison issue by now.

You get what you pay for. The better/high priced lawyer will find a way to manipulate the system.

[HummerNewbie]

Personally I don't know if he was guilty of these charges or not because I was not in the court room every day to hear all the evidence. I actually didn't follow the trial at all. Do I think he is a freak and most likely has committed the crimes he was charged with at some point? MOST DEFINITELY. This is just my opinion and there is no way to prove or dispute it. I have never liked the guy but that can not be the reason for a conviction. I was surprise and disappointed by the verdict but I think is was just a case of reasonable doubt and the defense did their job.

Just my opinion

[DennisAJC]

Just like that farce he pulled off by DANGLING HIS baby off the balcony. Any normal person would have been charged with child endangerment and have the child taken away. Money let's you get away it.

[KenP]

The mother was the defense's best witness. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[firm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
I have never liked the guy but that can not be the reason for a conviction.

Just my opinion </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You NEVER like him.....What about Thriller!!! He did Thriller.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif C'mon I mean Thriller!


Anybody ever scene that Dave Chappelle when he is at the jury selection for the Micheal Jackson trial...It's the funniest thing ever. He said he could never convict Micheal, because he did Thriller. "C'mon lady..THRILLER!"

[usetosellhummer]

I guess you could say he "Beat it"

[LoLo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mully:
OJ is innocent too?! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...dare I say it??? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Only in California...!

[HummerNewbie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by firm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerNewbie:
I have never liked the guy but that can not be the reason for a conviction.

Just my opinion </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You NEVER like him.....What about Thriller!!! He did Thriller.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif C'mon I mean Thriller!


Anybody ever scene that Dave Chappelle when he is at the jury selection for the Micheal Jackson trial...It's the funniest thing ever. He said he could never convict Micheal, because he did Thriller. "C'mon lady..THRILLER!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, thats right, he did Thriller. Oops, no change, still don't like him http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Fubar]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2Finally:
NOT Guilty! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Oh, somethin abt H2s.. here's me high-centered yesterday at Azusa (there is another ledge right below that, so can't accelerate enough). Teach me next time NOT to follow ruts left by 3 H1s.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

H2finally,
is this picture from the "twin forks" area in Azusa Canyon? The contorl basin?

How did the the H3's do in the sand?

[H2Finally]

Wow Fubar, an actual H2 question!?! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

This was in the Azusa Canyon off-road park itself (the one that ends in a giant mud bowl), except that the recent rain + reopening of the areas that were closed forever, made the park feel completely new! It was awesome! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We did not wheel with the H3 yet, I followed 3 x H1s. You should see them literally "bounce" on the perimeter of the mud bowl area (which has a solid surface but liquid bottom).. it was crazy to watch -- as if they're driving over a trampoline!

[Fubar]

thanks, we're talking about the same general area. It has just been years since I've been there. I grew up not too far from Azusa Canyon and use to take my dogs up there every couple of weeks.

If you haven't been there are some great trails to run in the Big Bear area. Devils hole if it is still open would be a blast in an H2. I use to run it with my 4runner.