Towing Questions?

[dkhummerh2]

Hello,
I just recently bought a 24 foot enclosed cargo hauler (trailer)! The trailer and contents are going to have a gross weight of 6k lbs. I will actually use the trailer weekly. Do you think that I should use my H2 to pull it, or should I use a truck? I have on 04 Ford F-150, but it is a short box, short wheel base v6. I used it to pull the trailer home and it didn't fair very well. So I am thinking about trading the Ford for a V8 long wheel base, long box 06 Ford F 150 with the heavy duty trailering package. I always appreciate the forums opinion. Just worried about using such a nice truck (my h-2) to do that work week after week. Round trip would be about 210 miles weekly.
thanks
dk

[ROX]

You shouldn't have any trouble. The H2 weighs more, and might have better brakes than the F150. You have a brake box right? If you have air suspension, you should be careful to load everything for the best weight distribution to make sure the tongue weight isn't too heavy. If you have any concerns about that, then an equalizer hitch should be used or you run the risk of overloading the airbags, and the computer will shut down the suspension.

I pull an enclosed 4 place snowmachine trailer, no problem.
Have fun!

[dkhummerh2]

Yeah I can balance the load with no problem. What length of drop hitch do you use? I do have air suspension so I would want to make sure that I don't screw with that. How does yours pull? Thanks for the input, I am trying to make a decision this week!
dk

[tower]

OMG! Rox, you have sowmobiles, newest best friend? :excited::beerchug::clapping::clapping::clapping:

[mikejr]

Yeah I can balance the load with no problem. What length of drop hitch do you use? I do have air suspension so I would want to make sure that I don't screw with that. How does yours pull? Thanks for the input, I am trying to make a decision this week!
dk

I tow a 12 foot utility trailer (1000 pounds) and use an 8" drop. I just towed the trailer with 3000 pounds of top soil on it pulled like nothing was back there. Tow haul mode works great. In the 08 when you have tow haul active it auto downshifts the tranny when you start breaking, pretty damn slick! I could tell the load was back there when braking, but not really when I was accelerating.

[dkhummerh2]

Thanks, I figured it would be about an 8 inch drop on mine as well. I guess I will hook it up and give it a try this week and see how I like it. I just don't know if I want to put that much use into it. I really like it and don't see a reason to trade it, as it only has 44k miles on it.
thanks for your advice.
dk

[mikejr]

If you use the H2 to haul the trailer it means more time behind the wheel of the H2....that is a beautiful thing! Its a tough truck, it will take it.

[Agriv8r]

OMG! Rox, you have sowmobiles, newest best friend? :excited::beerchug::clapping::clapping::clapping:

:jump:

[MVR 155]

You should have no troubles..... no reason to buy another truck, you want the ball height to be right at 18" so Im guessing that a 6" to 8" drop should be perfect. Make sure you get an electric brake control as well, that is way too big of a trailer to even think about trying to stop it with the truck brakes.

Have fun :D

[porschett]

I use mine to tow a trailer, loaded with a twin-turbo Porsche, as well as a 1956 356C Porsche. Never have a problem other than the 5.5 MPG! The whole rig weights in at 9400 lbs., but it does have disc brakes on all 3 axles.

[dkhummerh2]

Thanks for the advice. I am going to hook it up tomorrow and see what I think. I think if I balance the load and get the right size on the drop hitch, it will pull very nice.
thanks again
dk

[Dash]

Just towed with my H2 this weekend. Loaded my C5 in an 8.5 x 20' enclosed and went to a local car show. Pulled just fine.................plus ya can't argue the "wow" factor when you pull up in a white H2, pulling a white enclosed and unload a white superchargerd C5......... :D

I didn't have time to install the brake controller before I left, but the rig did just fine. I will have it on next time though just for added safety.

[ROX]

I use a Rapid Hitch from Andersen Manufacturing. I'm not sure where you could find one locally.


10 inch drop puts the tongue on almost any trailer in the perfect spot.
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[ROX]

Yeah I can balance the load with no problem. What length of drop hitch do you use? I do have air suspension so I would want to make sure that I don't screw with that. How does yours pull? Thanks for the input, I am trying to make a decision this week!
dkIt pulls fine, but you definitely know it's back there. The air suspension will level the ride once it's hooked up so take that into account when you hook it up. Make sure it's level after the suspension has had time to level it out. It's not the same as a long wheel base pickup, but it'll do for as far as you're going. You should be fine. Use your tow/haul button. If you have any hills to go up you'll spend the whole time in Second gear, but you'll get used to that. Sadly, it's not a diesel.

Another thing I've noticed, and anyone could disagree, is that the computer learns how your driving over distance. So if you don't use the tow/haul button, the computer actually learns how to shift for you. One thing about tow/haul tho, I think it makes it shift faster, so there's not as much lag between gears. This is good for the torque converter.

Have fun!

[ROX]

p.s. My rapid hitch hasn't ever drug the ground. FYI.

[MVR 155]

Just towed with my H2 this weekend. Loaded my C5 in an 8.5 x 20' enclosed and went to a local car show. Pulled just fine.................plus ya can't argue the "wow" factor when you pull up in a white H2, pulling a white enclosed and unload a white superchargerd C5......... :D

I didn't have time to install the brake controller before I left, but the rig did just fine. I will have it on next time though just for added safety.

Towing that much weight without trailer brakes is just crazy if you ask me, not to mention illegal (I believe any trailer over 2K or 2.5K lbs needs to have brakes). If you had to panic stop you could seriously hurt, kill yourself or someone else on the road not to mention destroy your truck, vette (Im also a vette owner so I dont want to see one get destroyed :D) and trailer. A brake controller is less than $100 and with a harness very easy to install. Be safe

[mikejr]

Towing that much weight without trailer brakes is just crazy if you ask me, not to mention illegal (I believe any trailer over 2K or 2.5K lbs needs to have brakes). If you had to panic stop you could seriously hurt, kill yourself or someone else on the road not to mention destroy your truck, vette (Im also a vette owner so I dont want to see one get destroyed :D) and trailer. A brake controller is less than $100 and with a harness very easy to install. Be safe

In PA anything at 3000 pounds or above you need brakes on the trailer. They can be either surge brakes built into the tongue or electric brakes that work in conjuction with the towing vehicles brakes.

[Dash]

Maybe I should have clarified, the trailer did have brakes. They were/are manually adjusted (first one I have had like this) and were activated when I applied the brakes on the tow vehicle ( I know this because the front axle would lock up in the wet grass when I was moving the trailer to load). Upon reading the owners manual it detailed how to adjust brakes like this as well as after installing a controller. As the previous owner used the trailer to haul a weight close to mine I thought this set up would be fine for the short distance I was towing. As mentioned, I will have the controller on before I tow again with the H2. I lke being able to "fine tune" from the cab for varying conditions and load.

[MVR 155]

Maybe I should have clarified, the trailer did have brakes. They were/are manually adjusted (first one I have had like this) and were activated when I applied the brakes on the tow vehicle ( I know this because the front axle would lock up in the wet grass when I was moving the trailer to load). Upon reading the owners manual it detailed how to adjust brakes like this as well as after installing a controller. As the previous owner used the trailer to haul a weight close to mine I thought this set up would be fine for the short distance I was towing. As mentioned, I will have the controller on before I tow again with the H2. I lke being able to "fine tune" from the cab for varying conditions and load.

I see..... alot of trailers wont activate the brakes without a controller, we have a Haulmark double axle enclosed trailer (8x13 motorcycle trailer), you can haul it without a brake controller but doing this results in no trailer brakes, you are completely relying on the tow vehicle to stop the trailer. Sorry for any misunderstanding:beerchug:

[Dash]

No problem at all. I can see where my original post read as if I didn't have any brakes at all. My other trailers are as yours and do require the controller to activate the brakes. This is the first I have seen like this. They are electric brakes (on the front axle only) and work alright, but I will feel a lot better after I get my controller on and can re-adjust and also set the gain.

On a side note, I see you have an R1 and some 1/4 mile times. I also drag race motorcycles. Always good to meet a fellow enthusiast!!!

Darren

[dkhummerh2]

Yeah, my trailer is an 07 and has the brake controller on the trailer. The brakes are activated through the light hookup. Works great.
thanks
dk

[dkhummerh2]

I hooked the H2 today, pulled great. I always keep an extra truck for business purposes, so I went ahead and got an 06 Ford F 150 Long Bed with the heavy duty towing package. I would not have a problem towing it with my H2, but with the supercharger on it, I just don't feel comfortable using it for work. When I pull for pleasure, I will use it. By my weekly work I will use the new truck! Thanks for the input,
dk

[Dug]

Someone said you could damage your airbags by over loading them. Where did this theory come from ?

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

Dennis our brother from across the northern border.

I try not to forget that it was you Dennis who brought it to all our attention that the tow/haul button actually was a hidden and unwritten about secret supercharger. If it had not been for Dennis being a visionary that many H2 owners would still have been in the dark and spending the $6500 to $7500 to buy the Magnuson supercharger. It was mentioned to me several times by Dennis that for each supercharger kit bought that Dennis should be getting at least a $250 R@D fee for figuring out this little known fact about the tow/haul button. It has been one of the very best industrial secrets maintained in spite of the NAFTA agreement. If you have uncovered any more pearls of wisdow please share them with those of us who you have come to be able to trust.

Dennis I have not forgotten and continue to try and get You your deserved R@D fee you so honestly earned after spending a total of about 30 minutes working with the button and it's implications to the Hummer nation.

I will continue to fight for your way past due monetary gains for the visionary qualities that you posess in discovering this little known factory bonus on the H2. Oh, also I have still not received from You the marketing pay scale you mentioned that you would be placing in effect to those of us who work with you in an affiliate marketing capacity.

Thanks Dennis,

TAZ

[MVR 155]

No problem at all. I can see where my original post read as if I didn't have any brakes at all. My other trailers are as yours and do require the controller to activate the brakes. This is the first I have seen like this. They are electric brakes (on the front axle only) and work alright, but I will feel a lot better after I get my controller on and can re-adjust and also set the gain.

On a side note, I see you have an R1 and some 1/4 mile times. I also drag race motorcycles. Always good to meet a fellow enthusiast!!!

Darren

Im actually thinking of selling the bike, I have only ridden a total of 300 miles this year, its hard to sell since I have had street bikes for the past 10 years (have been riding in the dirt for over 25). I havent been to the track on it in about 2 years, I was more into road racing/track days, been to Jason Pridmore school and on Gingerman and Road America with it as well as quite a few trips down to Deals Gap. Its a hard bike to get some good 1/4 times out of since its short, light and likes to stand up, my 60' times are in the high 1.7's to low 1.8's but I have to shift early into 2nd due to the bike coming up in first. I was gonna try strapping it to keep the front down but never got around to it. :D

[ROX]

Someone said you could damage your airbags by over loading them. Where did this theory come from ?Section 4-67 in the Owners Manual. Take it or leave it.


Overload and Overheat Protection
Overload protection is designed to protect the air
suspension system and is an indication to the driver that
the vehicle is overloaded.
If the rear suspension remains at a low height, the rear
axle load has exceeded GAWR (Gross Axle Weight
Rating). When the overload protection mode is activated,
the compressor operates for about 30 seconds to one
minute without raising the vehicle depending on the
amount of overload. This will continue each time
the ignition is turned on until the rear axle load is
reduced below GAWR.
If the total rear GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) is
reached, the suspension may be slightly less than level.
This is normal and does not mean there is a problem
with the air suspension.
If the system overheats, it will shut down and stop all
leveling functions until the system cools down.
During this time the SERVICE AIR SUSPENSION
message will appear in the DIC. See Driver Information
Center (DIC) on page 3-43 for more information.

[timgco]

SO, rear coil spring H2 I had a 6" drop hitch and it sat level.

now that I do have air susp. the bags would adjust and sat to high in teh rear. The 8" drop fixed that problem. I only have about 2K lbs back there, but it was the way to go for the proper height on the hitch.

[Dash]

SO, rear coil spring H2 I had a 6" drop hitch and it sat level.

now that I do have air susp. the bags would adjust and sat to high in teh rear. The 8" drop fixed that problem. I only have about 2K lbs back there, but it was the way to go for the proper height on the hitch.

agree'd, I went with a 7 3/4" drop and all is pretty much dead level!!!

[Dash]

Im actually thinking of selling the bike, I have only ridden a total of 300 miles this year, its hard to sell since I have had street bikes for the past 10 years (have been riding in the dirt for over 25). I havent been to the track on it in about 2 years, I was more into road racing/track days, been to Jason Pridmore school and on Gingerman and Road America with it as well as quite a few trips down to Deals Gap. Its a hard bike to get some good 1/4 times out of since its short, light and likes to stand up, my 60' times are in the high 1.7's to low 1.8's but I have to shift early into 2nd due to the bike coming up in first. I was gonna try strapping it to keep the front down but never got around to it. :D


If ya decide to take back to the 1/4 before ya sell, PM me. I have a few "tricks of the trade" I'll share to drop those ET's. By the way, I started out drag racing an R1. I know what a challenge they can be to launch. Back then mine made 156hp at the wheel. The bike I launch these days makes over 500...................still no wheelie bars either!!!!!!!

[dkhummerh2]

agree'd, I went with a 7 3/4" drop and all is pretty much dead level!!!
thanks for the input guys.
dk

[ROX]

thanks for the input guys.
dkWHAT?! No thanks for the gals?:D :rant: ;)

[dkhummerh2]

WHAT?! No thanks for the gals?:D :rant: ;)
sorry, I will correct myself from now on.
dk

[RippSpeed]

I have a question... whats the max towing capacity for our rigs ??? I have 2005 LUX without air suspension, I share a 1500lbs car trailer with a friend. So what do you guys think the max I can tow ????

[MVR 155]

I believe the max mfg. recommended rating is either 6400 or 6600 (too lazy to look it up right now). Its this low because of total vehicle Gross weight rating. If you ened up being a little heavier than that I really dont think you would have any problems at all.

I towed close to 6K pound with mine last week on a 300+ mile round trip (heavy solid steel equipment trailer with my Z06 on it). Towed it like nothing.... I would certainly think it would have no trouble hauling alot more than 400-600 more lbs.

[RippSpeed]

The most I've towed on my is my 1500lbs trailer with a 2500HD on the trailer with my Tundra and luckily it mostly down hill... I hope the hummer will fair alot better...