Pic of my SUT with new tires/wheels...

[TXSUT]

I suck at taking pics, but here you go...

[TXSUT]

I suck at taking pics, but here you go...

[TXSUT]

Thanks.

A friend of mine at Discount Tire did the balancing, and didn't have any trouble at all.

[Bill Kervaski]

What brad tires are those? How do they ride around town?

[Bill Kervaski]

General question to anyone - compared to lets say the OEM tires, how much life can you get out of tires like the ones in this posts pic?

[VTSTOMPER]

Pete, that is looking sharp my man! The wheels and tires look great!

[lexpro]

NICE!

[KorkedBatz]

very nice looking ride...

[Pinhead]

Finding out tires have a shelf life. After six years rubber starts to break down reguardless of the milelage. New manufactors specs coming out on tires at the end of the year.

[VTSTOMPER]

Pete, do you have a pic of "wheel stick-out"



Josh

[TXSUT]

Thanks for the compliments! Phil did a good job of summing up the ride and life characteristics. I have to say though, that the noise level is pretty bad, especially if you're not used to running some sort of mud tire on the street.

VT, I'll try to take another pic showing how much the tires stick out, which is roughly three inches when measured at top-dead-center of the fender flare, and roughly 5" past the bottom rear edge of the fender flares. Yes, a damp road trashes the truck. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Time for extended flares.

[drmiles]

LOOKS GREAT, Lets go off roading Sat.

Maybe spring creek

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
I suck at taking pics, but yere you go... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It helps if you put pants on. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It looks really nice. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Mean looking tires, are they loud on the road?

Edit- read your post on the volume- I think it's pretty bad a$$ when you hear them coming. Anyway, they are nice.

[LoLo]

Pretty sharp! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Salt Lake City HUMMER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
Thanks for the compliments! Phil did a good job of summing up the ride and life characteristics. I have to say though, that the noise level is pretty bad, especially if you're not used to running some sort of mud tire on the street.

VT, I'll try to take another pic showing how much the tires stick out, which is roughly three inches when measured at top-dead-center of the fender flare, and roughly 5" past the bottom rear edge of the fender flares. Yes, a damp road trashes the truck. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Time for extended flares. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


------AMEN !--- http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

That looks really nice Pete. I'm guessing 37"'s?

[3Racing]

TXSUT.......Did you have to take off the top roof rack to fit it in the grage?

[TXSUT]

Thanks everyone! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LOL @ H2Co - yeah, my khaki shorts do make it look like I'm pants-less, not to mention a tub-o-lard as well. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KenP, yeah, 37x13.5x18.

3Racing, my truck came w/o roof bars, but yeah, not enough clearance. As it is now, I have about 1.5" of clearance in my garage at work, http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif so the roof bars I got from the dealer (free, after the sale) will probably be sold soon.

Jerry, soon we'll go. I have to get the torsion bars cranked up to prevent rubbing, and I'll be ready. I'm going to get that done when I get my Fabtech front end kit installed next week. This weekend is booked solid anyway, and I have two new puppies (like having a newborn baby in the house. LOL!

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
...my khaki shorts do make it look like I'm pants-less, not to mention... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah! Don't mention it. Just put yer damned hose away! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously, Pete, beautiful rig. Black Rules!
Enjoy!

[TXSUT]

Tower, LMAO! You'll be happy to know that the hose has been hung. Funny how trashy it looks when you leave a hose out even for a short while (we were getting ready to bathe the new pups).

Thanks...I'm really digging the truck!

-Pete

[HGW]

Great look----all black with good looking wheels and tires.

[kacyk]

Very nice combo! Those Mud Grapplers look great! Still the best looking tred IMHO but the noise! I switched over to the Toyo MT's but I do miss the look of those claws!

[TXSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Mud Grapplers...but the noise! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell me about it! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks!

[H222]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Mud Grapplers...but the noise! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell me about it! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah +1 for the noise factor !!!!!!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[GF7PE]

Looks good. I have them on my HD in 35x14.5x16 and they balanced easilly for a big tire. About 2.5 oz per wheel. Noise isnt as bad as the MTR's I had before. Maybe its just me http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[H222]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GF7PE:
Looks good. I have them on my HD in 35x14.5x16 and they balanced easilly for a big tire. About 2.5 oz per wheel. Noise isnt as bad as the MTR's I had before. Maybe its just me http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my 37's never hit the balancing machine and are perfect down the road 70,80,90mph whatever.

[timgco]

How bout an update? Have you went off road yet?

[Strokethis]

Heres a pic of mine with the 37" Toyos and 24" rims. Its one of the only sets Ive seen. Sorry about the pic my camera is messed up and not clear at all.

[drmiles]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
How bout an update? Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah call me, I'll show you some short muddy trails in the spring area !!!

[TXSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
How bout an update? Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't had a chance to get the h.d. Fabtech parts installed, but I did crank the torsion bars to level the truck and eliminate the rubbing. I'm calling 4WP tomorrow to set up an appt next week for the install and alignment. I've only done some really mild stuff on hard ground to see if there's enough clearance up front, and all seems to be okay.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drmiles:
Yeah call me, I'll show you some short muddy trails in the spring area !!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does your schedule look like over the weekend? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[dochummer]

I'm sorry, but isn't that going to look kind of funny with the front end raised? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

can you post a pic after you get everything settled?

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
How bout an update? Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
At least you didn't say "done went".http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
How bout an update? Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
At least you didn't say "done went".http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How bout BITE ME BUMPER BOY! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I was trying to sound Canadian I guess. I guess I should have type "how aboot an update, aye?"

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
How bout an update? Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
At least you didn't say "done went".http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How bout BITE ME BUMPER BOY! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I was trying to sound Canadian I guess. I guess I should have type "how aboot an update, aye?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're not pewter and it's too much bumper for you.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[TXSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dochummer:
I'm sorry, but isn't that going to look kind of funny with the front end raised? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

can you post a pic after you get everything settled? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would be happy to post a pic next week.

Like Phil, the front of my truck was roughly 2 inches lower in the front. Now, with 7 turns of the torsion bar adjustment bolts, it sits almost level. By my rough measurements, it's still just a tiny bit lower in the front.

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
How bout an update? Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
At least you didn't say "done went".http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey! i thought desert sand was part of the pewter family?? The H3 we picked up is pewter. that's got to count for something.

How bout BITE ME BUMPER BOY! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I was trying to sound Canadian I guess. I guess I should have type "how aboot an update, aye?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're not pewter and it's too much bumper for you.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[TXSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I done went...

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
Have you went off road yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I done went... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

NICE. "THE SUT" looks great with mud... It looks even better than an SUV with mud. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So, how did the tires do? Did they rub? Did you have the truck twisted or flexed all the way with the tires turned? I really like that look and have considered doing that setup, but do not want to if they are going to be too bad. My 37's rub a little when flexed all the way and at full lock on the sways. I have been considering turning the torsion bars up a few turns, but do not want to ruin the on road ride quality. What do you think? Anyone?

[TXSUT]

Thanks. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I didn't flex/twist it very much, but from what I did do, there was only light rubbing on the back of the fender wells.

Since lifting the front via the torsion bars, the ride it noticeably harsher on bumpy roads, but still decent, and just as smooth on the highway.

[TXSUT]

I'd also like to add that if I was a serious off-roader, I'd recommend a 2 to 4 inch lift kit if running 37x13.5 tires on 10 inch wheels. Just my opinion.

[VTSTOMPER]

Nice Pete! It looks pretty damn mean I'd say!

[rodster]

Pete (or anyone else) - What's the backspacing on your wheels? Or what wheels are they and I'll figure it out from there. Thanks. Truck looks great!

[TXSUT]

Rodster, they are the Weld Velociti wheel, 18x10, with a 4.5 inch backspacing.

Thanks!

[rodster]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
Rodster, they are the Weld Velociti wheel, 18x10, with a 4.5 inch backspacing.

Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, Pete. Now that you've had the new wheels and tires for a few weeks . . .

Is the 4.5 backspace enough to keep the tires from rubbing a lot?

Noise level still tolerable? I understand the Nitto MG tires are considerably more noisy than the Toyo Open County M/T and since I'll likely buy one of those two next week, would appreciate your input. Thanks again -- Rod

[TXSUT]

No prob, rod.

If you are really worried about road noise, and find definitive proof that the Toyos are less noisy, stay away from the Mud Grapplers. I grew up with mud tires, so it doesn't bother me too much, but they are damn noisy.

As for the rubbing, whereas I originally thought that the front tires weren't rubbing that badly when at full steering lock left or right, they actually wore a hole through the fender well on one side within about 2 weeks. I cranked the torsion bars all the way up, which has made the truck sit just about perfectly level, and has elimated the rubbing. The new tires, coupled with the torsion bar adjustment, causes the front end to be a bit "bouncy" over dips and bumps in the pavement...nothing real bad, but just not the original amazingly smooth ride it once had.

Hope that helps!

-Pete

[rodster]

Good stuff, Pete. Thanks!

[H2_SUT_SC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
As for the rubbing, whereas I originally thought that the front tires weren't rubbing that badly when at full steering lock left or right, they actually wore a hole through the fender well on one side within about 2 weeks.
-Pete </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which part of the tire wore a hole through the fender? Was it the outer part of the tire when turned in? Would an increased offset have prevented that?

The more I read these forums the more I realize there's no way I'm going to get away with 22x11" wide rims on 37's. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[TXSUT]

Yes, the outer edge of the right front tire when turning right. I guess I make more right turns than left, since the left side did not wear through (before lifting the front) but still rubbed quite hard.

I don't think there's a wheel made with enough offset to keep 37's on a 22x11 wheel from rubbing without lifting the truck. Just my opinion, I may be wrong.

[H2_SUT_SC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TXSUT:
Yes, the outer edge of the right front tire when turning right. I guess I make more right turns than left, since the left side did not wear through (before lifting the front) but still rubbed quite hard.

I don't think there's a wheel made with enough offset to keep 37's on a 22x11 wheel from rubbing without lifting the truck. Just my opinion, I may be wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I'm starting to accept the fact that I'll be going with 22x10's. I love the look of 20x11's on the 325/60's I've seen as I love the way the tire sticks out from the fender giving it a wider stance. However, I wanted to go with a slightly bigger tire like the 37's. But I'm thinking even with a custom rim no matter the offset it's going to rub either on the inside fender from the outer tire or on the stabilizer bar from the inner part of the tire.

Do you know how the Fabtech steering kit helps with clearance?

[TXSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2_SUT_SC:
Do you know how the Fabtech steering kit helps with clearance? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't believe that my Fabtech steering kit did anything to affect tire clearance.

[VTSTOMPER]

how are they holding up TXSUT?

VT - out.

[MONSTERMATT]

AWESOME BRO THE SAME SET-UP I WANT EXCEPT WITH 6INCHES THAT ISNT LIFETED IS IT? LOOKS GOOD I LOVE THE BLACK SUT IT RULES NO DOUBT

[TXSUT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VTSTOMPER:
how are they holding up TXSUT?

VT - out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With about 6,000 miles on 'em, they're wearing pretty well, but I'm overdue on rotating them.

MM, no lift, but I've been giving it some serious consideration.

[VTSTOMPER]

very cool! Good news to me! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Bimmer9938]

Are those 35s or 37s? and no lift at all huh?

[TXSUT]

Are those 35s or 37s? and no lift at all huh?

37s, no lift. Torsion bars cranked and fender well plastic trimmed.

[frenzy1]

great set bro !