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r3run33
05-20-2008, 02:55 PM
Hello has anyone seen rod hall hummer sut in person or has some pics of it? seen a few vids and wanted to know the mods on it besides the cage etc. here is a link to youtube if you dont know about the truck thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJr4UmC7ifA
H2 rocks me
05-20-2008, 04:10 PM
it my understanding that the SUT is one the first 2008 of the production line.
it then when to GM racing, and was completly taken down and rebuilt under SCORE Stock Full Size Class 8 rules.
About the only thing stock are the engine block and heads, trans case, number of shocks, and the body panels.
SCORE rules a pretty liberal in this class.
it my understanding that the SUT is one the first 2008 of the production line.
it then when to GM racing, and was completly taken down and rebuilt under SCORE Stock Full Size Class 8 rules.
About the only thing stock are the engine block and heads, trans case, number of shocks, and the body panels.
SCORE rules a pretty liberal in this class.You forgot tie rods! The tie rods are still stock.:giggling: And the shocks can be as big as you can fit. In fact, the new Fox H2 racing shocks are bigger than COHummers leg!
They also integrated a full roll cage into the new truck, off the assembly line. The Halls don't even do any pre-race tuning (or whatever you call it) anymore. They just roll it off the GM transport and get in and drive. (I meant to say, that GM does all that for them now.)
H2 rocks me
05-20-2008, 05:27 PM
Did you read the article on Hall racing in your new magazine?
Josh broke two tie rods on the SUT
r3run33
05-20-2008, 05:28 PM
do you know this for real? I seen some pics of the website etc and the ride height etc lloks fairly stock; you can see the fox shocks in the wheel well; so what tie rods are they using? etc thats what i'm looking for. I did see the vid that gm backs them. i would love to see that rig in person anyone going to the race maybe???
H2 rocks me
05-20-2008, 05:35 PM
I have seen the shocks in person, they are about 4 inch diameter, multi-valved, about 15 inches of travel. The rules only say stock "number" of shocks. Nothing about mounting, size, location.
I think that most of the parts are custom fabbed in either Hall's or GM's race shop. That or are proto-types from the respective manufacturer.
The SCORE Class 8 is pretty misleading in what they call Stock.
H2 Rocks Me: Wow, your 'facts' sure are heavily exagerated.
The HUMMER stock trucks are more stock than anything, with the exception of shocks, roll cage, and interior stripping/mods to be race friendly.
About the only thing stock are the engine block and heads, trans case, number of shocks, and the body panels.
...and frame, and stock suspension designs... Again, the stock HUMMER trucks are for the most part, stock.
Infact, Rod Hall runs off the showroom floor H2's and H3's for pre-runs.
Don't mislead r3run33 into believing these aren't close to stock trucks, they are stock trucks, with mods to accommodate the racing conditions. Anybody here with the skills and money could take a stock HUMMER and make the same changes.
No offense, but you make it sound like they're completely new vehicles with no resemblence of the stock counterpart under the body, which is completely untrue.
timgco
05-20-2008, 07:23 PM
In fact, the new Fox H2 racing shocks are bigger than COHummers leg!
TRUE!!!! :perfect10s:
HummerJim
05-20-2008, 08:03 PM
Very true! This H2 looks to be what racing stock cars were in the 60s. Off the showroom floor, with the interior gutted, glass taken out and suspension and engine tweaks. As we all know, NASCAR cars bear no resemblance to showroom cars anymore, but Hummers are built tought straight from the factory!
H2Finally
05-20-2008, 08:31 PM
the new Fox H2 racing shocks are bigger than COHummers leg!My chihuahua's legs are bigger than COHummers leg!
H2 rocks me
05-20-2008, 08:40 PM
I did have the opportunity to visit with Rod Hall and his sons for a few minutes about a year ago. I asked him the very same questions about how stock the H2 SUT really was. He smiled and said you can't buy one of these!!!
That being said, I don't doubt someone with the skills and resources couldn't build one. I know that the truck has to maintain certain stock aspects, but a lot of the components are modified, reinforced, reengineered, relocated and such.
I am also pretty sure that about a dozen GM engineers and techs are not spending all their time trying to decide what color to paint the thing either!!!
But I do know that no one is going to take a show room stock H2, slap on a new set of shocks, bigger tie rods, a few other off the shelf items, kick the windows out, and race the Baja 1000
H2 Maverick
05-20-2008, 10:24 PM
This is from the horses mouth instead of the other end. I was the project manager for the build of the H2 SUT race truck. This truck as well as the H3 and H3A race truck were all built at the GM Desert Proving Ground by one engineer and 4-6 technicians. In all cases the trucks are bone stock with the exception of spring rates, shocks and safety equipment. The H2 SUT runs in the SCORE Stock Full class (86X) and in the Stock Pickup BITD class (8111). The H3 runs SCORE Stock Mini (760) and Stock Mini SUV in BITD (3111). The H3A because of the V8 runs SCORE Stock Full against the H2 and in BITD it is in the Stock Fullsize SUV class (4111).
As per the rules, no suspension components are modified in any way. The engines in all three vehicles are completely production with air induction moved inside the cab for obvious reasons. Wiring harnesses were modified to remove unused circuits such as power door, window, radio, mirrors, etc.
The trucks do not just show up at the races for the Hall's to jump in and go. They have all been very involved in testing and development on each of the trucks. Hours and days in the desert between races.
Due to it's stellar fuel economy the H2 SUT runs a 70 gallon fuel cell.
Check out the latest article for the upcoming Baja 500... it has some pictures as well.
http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/stories/2008baja500/pickuptrucks-does-the-2008-baja-500.html
blah blah blah blah blah
:OWNED:
But I do know that no one is going to take a show room stock H2, slap on a new set of shocks, bigger tie rods, a few other off the shelf items, kick the windows out, and race the Baja 1000
That's exactly what they do, except you overly simplify a process which takes time and skill, you're also ignoring the safety requirement of a roll cage. Don't forget the driving skill is required too :)
This is from the horses mouth instead of the other end. I was the project manager for the build of the H2 SUT race truck. This truck as well as the H3 and H3A race truck were all built at the GM Desert Proving Ground by one engineer and 4-6 technicians. In all cases the trucks are bone stock with the exception of spring rates, shocks and safety equipment. The H2 SUT runs in the SCORE Stock Full class (86X) and in the Stock Pickup BITD class (8111). The H3 runs SCORE Stock Mini (760) and Stock Mini SUV in BITD (3111). The H3A because of the V8 runs SCORE Stock Full against the H2 and in BITD it is in the Stock Fullsize SUV class (4111).
As per the rules, no suspension components are modified in any way. The engines in all three vehicles are completely production with air induction moved inside the cab for obvious reasons. Wiring harnesses were modified to remove unused circuits such as power door, window, radio, mirrors, etc.
The trucks do not just show up at the races for the Hall's to jump in and go. They have all been very involved in testing and development on each of the trucks. Hours and days in the desert between races.
Easy Mav. What Rocks is saying is that if you were to go buy a Hummer off the showroom, you couldn't make the same mods as easily in your own shop as 1 GM engineer and 6 techs with all the tools and equipment can remake them.(not to mention the checkbook) The roll cage is the perfect example because it is NOW incorporated into the frame, not bolted in like it used to be. (you couldn't do that to one off the showroom floor very easily) No one is saying its not cool. But the rules of Stock class are open to WIDE interpretation. I think the Halls are doing awesome, and I know they are involved in all the testing.
We've been to the Rod Hall Roundup three years in a row, and things have changed for the Team since then, haven't they?
As far as the trucks being race ready: I was led to believe they have less to do with actually working on them, and more to do with driving than they ever have. Whatever. Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm sure it was just a little gloating over beers with a true Fan. :)
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No offense, but you make it sound like they're completely new vehicles with no resemblence of the stock counterpart under the body, which is completely untrue.They aren't the same this year as in past years. There have been changes at the factory that still make it stock class, but better than something you could do at home. It's stacking the deck, like it or not.
I really don't care as long as Hummer wins! :D :D
DRTYFN
05-20-2008, 11:04 PM
:OWNED:
That's exactly what they do, except you overly simplify a process which takes time and skill, you're also ignoring the safety requirement of a roll cage. Don't forget the driving skill is required too :)
No, actually your dumb ass is :OWNED:
H2rocksme & ROX did in fact have the opportunity to chat with Chad Hall about the Hall race trucks. The Halls are a super nice people. They love talking about rigs/tech/tools/etc.
LEcustoms
05-20-2008, 11:07 PM
Funny all that work and they still use the stock steering wheel.
H2 rocks me
05-20-2008, 11:27 PM
If the only performance mods being made are spring rates and shocks, along with the required saftey equipment, I guess I was wrong.
They are just sitting around trying to decide what color to paint the thing!!!
As far as driver skills Rod Hall is one of the best, and he is the guy that seems to bring it home every time. It is the most important part of the truck.
i just wish i could find out personally what needs to be done to make my own desert race vehicle.
r3run33
Sounds like you just need a couple new torsion bars and a set of shocks and your ready to roll!!!
Good luck to all
"You got to finish to win"
Easy Mav. What Rocks is saying is that if you were to go buy a Hummer off the showroom, you couldn't make the same mods as easily in your own shop as 1 GM engineer and 6 techs with all the tools and equipment can remake them.(not to mention the checkbook) The roll cage is the perfect example because it is NOW incorporated into the frame, not bolted in like it used to be. (you couldn't do that to one off the showroom floor very easily) No one is saying its not cool. But the rules of Stock class are open to WIDE interpretation. I think the Halls are doing awesome, and I know they are involved in all the testing.
We've been to the Rod Hall Roundup three years in a row, and things have changed for the Team since then, haven't they?
As far as the trucks being race ready: I was led to believe they have less to do with actually working on them, and more to do with driving than they ever have. Whatever. Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm sure it was just a little gloating over beers with a true Fan. :)
No, that's not what H2 Rocks Me is saying at all. r3run33 asked how close these trucks are to Stock trucks, and they are INFACT, VERY close to stock trucks. Having the roll cage welded to the frame does NOT make it any less of a stock truck. I can read, and unless someone doesn't know how to express themselves, then they mean what they say. He clearly said that the only parts that remain stock are, and I quote "engine block and heads, trans case, number of shocks, and the body panels." That's a far cry from from everything remaining intact except for roll cage welded to frame, interior guts removed, shocks added, and safety mods added.
No, actually your dumb ass is :OWNED:
H2rocksme & ROX did in fact have the opportunity to chat with Chad Hall about the Hall race trucks. The Halls are a super nice people. They love talking about rigs/tech/tools/etc.
Who the hell is disputing that, facts remain facts, and claiming the Hall H2 is a complete ground up workover from a stock H2 is rubbish.
If the only performance mods being made are spring rates and shocks, along with the required saftey equipment, I guess I was wrong.
They are just sitting around trying to decide what color to paint the thing!!!
As far as driver skills Rod Hall is one of the best, and he is the guy that seems to bring it home every time. It is the most important part of the truck.
i just wish i could find out personally what needs to be done to make my own desert race vehicle.
r3run33
Sounds like you just need a couple new torsion bars and a set of shocks and your ready to roll!!!
Good luck to all
"You got to finish to win"
It's even documented for you, and you're still ignoring the facts, ugh...
r3run33
05-21-2008, 01:42 AM
wow you guys are ruff now i have seen core pre runner trucks before in person and those are basically biggies with plastic bodies attached!!! from the pics of rod hall site the hummer does not look like that now a perfect example is the dakar h3 run by robby gordon that was a blatant race truck with a fab body attached. the h2 sut i'm referring to does not look like that. all i'm asking is what was changed tie rods etc. yes i probalby can't duplicate it but it would be nice to see what these guys strenghtd or changed because they knew what would brake or was to weak to hold up.
r3run33
05-21-2008, 01:46 AM
by thanks for the link maverick im looking for pics of the dakar h3 so you guys can see what i mean
r3run33
05-21-2008, 01:52 AM
ok look at these 2 and tell me which one is close to stock?
r3run33
05-21-2008, 02:03 AM
sorry those pics are small but you get the idea
sorry those pics are small but you get the idea
Yep, we know what you're talking about. The Dakar rig is a built from the ground up as a unique platform for racing, and has nothing at all to do with any HUMMER, except for some slight resemblence of an H3 on bodywork. Personally, I hate it, why put the HUMMER name on it if it's not a HUMMER. That's precisely why Rod Hall racing will always have more respect from me, they use stock trucks with very little modifications and give the HUMMER name some truly worthy wins to be proud of.
So yes, for your answer look to Mavericks response, the Hall Racing HUMMER's are all production line H1's, H2's, H3's and modified only for endurance and safety.
TXSUT
05-21-2008, 02:07 PM
In all cases the trucks are bone stock with the exception of spring rates, shocks...
As per the rules, no suspension components are modified in any way.
I really want nothing to do with the cat fight going on here, but was curious about the two statements above. How do they not contradict each other? It states that you cannot modify the suspension components in any way, but you can change spring rates and shocks. Are spring rates and shocks not considered "suspension components"? :confused:
H2 Maverick
05-21-2008, 03:05 PM
wow you guys are ruff now i have seen core pre runner trucks before in person and those are basically biggies with plastic bodies attached!!! from the pics of rod hall site the hummer does not look like that now a perfect example is the dakar h3 run by robby gordon that was a blatant race truck with a fab body attached. the h2 sut i'm referring to does not look like that. all i'm asking is what was changed tie rods etc. yes i probalby can't duplicate it but it would be nice to see what these guys strenghtd or changed because they knew what would brake or was to weak to hold up.
Not trying to get my panties wadded up but when people start spouting off about something that we poured alot time and hard work into it just like getting a snuggy. As far as the tie rods, yes they are production parts. Robbie Gordons Dakar H3 is nothing more than a Trophy Truck with a bad representation of a H3 skin. Hell it's not even 4 wheel drive.
On the H2 SUT.
As per the rules, spring rates are open and since we weigh about 700 pounds more than production trucks and see alot more rough terrain at alot higher speeds it was an obvious choice to up the rates. The front t-bars are actually off the shelf production 1 ton production springs. The rears are aftermarket. The shocks are also open in both sanctioning bodies. We run 4 inch bypass shocks with remote resevoirs which weigh about 50-60 pounds each.
We prerun and chase in completely stock H2s and H3s with the only mods being FOX shocks which you could purchase through Chad Hall at Winkle Hummer in Reno.
Okay I'll get off my :soapbox: now and get back to prepping Rod's and Chad's trucks for the upcoming 40th running of the Baja 500. Visit rodhallracing.com to get up to the minute news of the race and also GPS tracking of the entire race. Sure would like to see all of the Hummer owners participate in our blog on race day.
H2 rocks me
05-21-2008, 06:06 PM
maverick
I wish you guys the best of luck in all of your upcoming SCORE and BITD events. Hopefully all of the Hummers will win their class.
Looking forward to live coverage on the web!!!!
Not trying to get my panties wadded up but when people start spouting off about something that we poured alot time and hard work into it just like getting a snuggy.
:clapping: I know how much work you put into getting them ready, that's one of the reasons why these guys win!
Good info on the springs, btw. I had a link for what was done to the old SUV but can't find it anymore.
Good Luck in the B500! :)
Hummer Guy
05-22-2008, 05:08 AM
For what it's worth -- after spending 4 days with Team HUMMER -- I can tell you that Mav is spot on (he should be...I'm pretty sure he was there).
I ran the pre-run of Terrible's town with Chad Hall in an H2 and saw Rod Hall pre-run in a bone-stock H3...so to say the Halls just show up and race is false.
Someone asked about the steering wheel -- it has to be stock, just like the dash (minus the radio, etc).
For what it's worth -- after spending 4 days with Team HUMMER -- I can tell you that Mav is spot on (he should be...I'm pretty sure he was there).
I ran the pre-run of Terrible's town with Chad Hall in an H2 and saw Rod Hall pre-run in a bone-stock H3...so to say the Halls just show up and race is false.
Someone asked about the steering wheel -- it has to be stock, just like the dash (minus the radio, etc).
:yawn:
r3run33
05-22-2008, 09:17 PM
maverick thanks agin for the info i knew you guys where close to stock and was just curious about the shocks etc so wait the tie rods are stock??? i'm not trying to make a fight but i thought this was the weakest link on the rig and from the vids i seen of the sut running they are not babying that unit at all. some of those ruts were takin at a good speed. i really do appreciate the info and good luck next week.
r3run33
05-29-2008, 02:53 PM
ok so i seen a write about about a h2 similar to rod hall sut; its a reno hummer dealerships race truck. fairly stock except for cage and some fox shocks similar to the sut (actually the same) now they change the tie rods with a unit from a company called samco; any one know these guys?? they also had a special knuckle made up had brass bushings I will try to get the mag today and scan a pic and then post it.
Hummer Guy
05-30-2008, 02:28 AM
ok so i seen a write about about a h2 similar to rod hall sut; its a reno hummer dealerships race truck. fairly stock except for cage and some fox shocks similar to the sut (actually the same) now they change the tie rods with a unit from a company called samco; any one know these guys?? they also had a special knuckle made up had brass bushings I will try to get the mag today and scan a pic and then post it.
the tie rods are stock -- Samco is run by Sam Cothrun, the co-driver and pit crew chief for the H2 SUT...
r3run33
05-30-2008, 09:36 PM
no it had a pic of the new piece it looked nice much more sturdy i have not had time to go get the mag either off road mag or something the cover has a ford f250 on it and the top banner has a pic of the h2 (color grey)
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