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We usually hear about all of the compliments you H2'ers get when out driving. The "hey, nice truck!" and the "wow"s. Have any of you received negative comments from people?
When telling people that I put my deposit on the SUT I've got:
"personally I think its a bit much, but it should go OK in the snow..."
"a little pretentious don't you think?"
"it's what, 55 grand? Buy a BMW"
"I'd get a Tahoe"
I even got:
"thats a long wait... I'm selling my 2000 Malibu you know"
Of course I get the hi-fives and "that's awesome" from most people. I'm totally comfortable in my decision, I love the SUT, but some people have no class...
- Dan
hinten
12-18-2002, 02:59 PM
Mainly negative comments rarely positive.
Anything from "Good for you that you can afford it." to "penile dysfunction!"
Oh well...
No negative comments whatsoever. I'm sure there are plenty of folks that think the H2 is ugly, but they haven't said it to my face.
Get a BMW? Baaaaaaaaa Baaaaa! I expect such a comment from the mass of SHEEPLE this nation is now raising. My parents have an X5 and I have no admiration for those German Hondas with wood grain.
Texas Red
12-18-2002, 03:20 PM
Buying an H2 was a little outta character for me. So even my "friends" asked about my "mid-life crisis" or said something like "why in the world did you get that?"
Fortunately, I have some friends who were genuinely happy for me. Those are the ones I still see. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Jim
Red H2 in Texas
Pizza Man
12-18-2002, 03:47 PM
Usually get the gawkers the thumbs up and even waved to. The other day some guy in a Ford Ranger flipped me off. But verbally I have received no complaints. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
SOFTTAILJC
12-18-2002, 04:19 PM
mostly waves and thumbs up... the negatives are just jealous wanna bees.. love this truck,just a pleasure to drive.............soft
Pizza Man:
That [the middle finger] is always the surest sign of jealousy or a driver that feels threatened (assuming you didn't cut him off). The guy in the Ford was seriously jealous; how else can you explain his effort to single you out of the crowd and make such a gesture.
There are 280 million people in America, so there are bound to be a fair number of idiots.
The Hummer is about as close to an All-American vehicle that you can get [the throttle sensor is from Hitachi - sob]. Don't these Ford and Chevy guys realize that we are allies? If anything, go pick on the Nissans, we need to stick together.
The most negative comment I've gotten is "what's the gas mileage like?" Even that's not really negative. I've gotten thumbs up and lots of positive comments.
Kim
KAC
'03 Red Adv Series
Pizza Man, that guy was just telling you that you are number 1!
Hey, anyone here drive the yellow rig I keep seeing in Brooklyn? Want to give me and my wife a ride? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Hummer H2
12-18-2002, 05:15 PM
I was driving in town when a 15 year old kid yelled out "get a real Hummer" He was just expecting me to keep on going, but instead I turned around and pulled over. I rolled down my window and asked him what he had said, he then said "Nice truck" I said thank you and went on my way. Just to see his face made it all worth while.
kelleymac2000
12-18-2002, 05:26 PM
I've been stopped probably a hundred times in the five months I've had mine and had two negative comments.
One woman hollered out her car window: "That's the ugliest thing I've ever seen." I yelled back: "Look in your mirror, then"
The second was a teenager at the Half Moon Bay Halloween parade (where I was with three H1s) who said: "too bad you didn't buy a real Hummer." I sweetly replied: "Yeah, what does daddy let YOU drive, junior??" His friends howled with laughter at him.
I have people of all ages/genders/walks of life stop me and ask about my truck. They're genuinely curious, and most really love it.
Kelley /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
bklynh2srock
12-18-2002, 05:38 PM
MBK- that's not us -- we're Pewter w/wraparound. If you see us, give us a wave. Wonder who it is!
Kelley- I admire your guts to say what you did to that woman. I'll have to remember that.
We did get one guy, going to the Islanders game last night, give us the finger. No one else has had the guts to say anything to our face.
No negatives, just friendly poking fun at me which they'd regardless.. I was even asked for a ride by someone who drives a hybrid.
Steve R
12-18-2002, 08:07 PM
If someone was going to spend $55K on a BMW...I'd say....but you could have a REAL offroad-capable SUV for the same money PLUS it's American.
What the heck does the BMW, Range Rover, Lexus or any of these pretencious wannabe SUV's have over the Hummer. You can't even compare these vehicles to what we have! I mean....DAMN!
I've had a few negative comments, one gal told me the H2 was "fu#@%ing ugly". I calmly replied "Momma always said, if you don't have something nice to say, best you just keep your comments to yourself". She replied with a real nasty look.....to which I added "Momma also said to go fu%@& youself bitch!!" and walked off.
I know, I know....but I am a contractor and it's not like I'm writing cards for Hallmark. That gal was WAY out of line just blasting me with that comment.
sheag
12-18-2002, 08:46 PM
Mostly I've gotten nothing but ooohs and ahhhs. I did have one friend tell another friend that he thought it was "ostentatious", but he was too cowardly to say it to my face, apparently. I do have lots of people ask me about insurance rates and gas mileage, and a couple of people have asked me about cost. I also had one lady in a minivan make a disgusted face at me and shake her head and wag her finger. Don't know what that was all about. I was just sitting at a traffic light.
Funny, I was in the grocery store in the check out line and I looked out in the parking lot and saw some people had their faces pressed up to the windows of my baby, so I pushed the unlock button (that thing works from wayyyy far away). The lights flashed and they jumped back and started looking guiltily around. It was funny. I should have set off the alarm.
Shea
kelleymac2000
12-18-2002, 09:58 PM
Only I usually go right outside and laugh with them about it afterward!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Kelley
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sheag:
Funny, I was in the grocery store in the check out line and I looked out in the parking lot and saw some people had their faces pressed up to the windows of my baby, so I pushed the unlock button (that thing works from wayyyy far away). The lights flashed and they jumped back and started looking guiltily around. It was funny. I should have set off the alarm.
Shea<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
100proof
12-18-2002, 10:16 PM
I dont own one, but I have to say I really love the H2! I saw an add for the H2 a few weeks back I thought, wow, that must cost at least 100,000. I was very surprised to see the base price! About a week later I was up in Duluth MN, I was out eating at a red lobster with my wife, We came out and there it was:) Seeing it up close, I just about craped my pants. After that I was hooked! I kept seeing the thing all weekend, the owner was staying at the same hotel, and parked it right in front of our window. Of course I couldn't keep my eyes off it, I mean, the damn H2 was taunting me....it was cool. Anyway, this board is great, and when I get my H2 (long time from now) I will be sure to join in all the fun with everybody!
cheers!
TonkaH2
12-18-2002, 10:56 PM
I've spent almost 4 months of 6 months of waiting trying to talk myself out of it, so I've talked to a lot of people about Hummers, etc. I've also driven quite a few, and you know, I never did get any negative reactions [unless you consider jaws dropping a negative reaction.]
In talking about what I should do, I did get a lot of environmentalists I know who were just horrified that I [who has had Suburbans and Tahoes since 95, go figure] could think of driving such a beast. The main reason: 'you don't NEED it.' But after I explained my uses, most had to admit, it made sense.
Once you get past the liberal agenda, though, everybody asks for a ride as soon as I get it! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ALMOST everyone loves the whole concept once they think you're not yuppie scum.
-Jack
Yellow H2 adv. on order
"I think I can make it. D'OH!"
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HeeHaw
12-19-2002, 01:22 AM
I ignore them. Not worth the effort.
HeeeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwwww
My truck seems to mostly bring big wide smiles. The only negative comment was when my daugter & I had driven up to the top of Whiteface Mountain, made the turn around to park. A guy got out of his car and we could hear him say to his buddy "Whats a drug dealer doing up here?"
bklynh2srock
12-19-2002, 01:38 AM
The funniest thing is, the person we figured to be the most enviro-freako person in our co-op looooooved the H2. She shops at whole foods and eats soy whip. I ran into her yesterday for the first time since we got ours and was expecting to get lambasted, but instead, she said, "Your new truck is reeeaallly cooool." And went on and on for a long time about the H2. Talk about throwing me for a loop. Even in NYC, we haven't gotten anything but positives, except for the loser in the Maxima on Long Island that gave us the finger.
H2Norcal
12-19-2002, 01:44 AM
It looks cool. It looks expensive. Actually it looks like an armored car...but anyway, I am not sure if people fear it or want it.
There is a huge ripple affect happening in America regarding their piggy SUV "kid carriers". And I must be frankly honest, I have seen a ton of people that look so out of place driving their H2's it makes me wonder what compelled them to buy it. They are the "I have to have one to show all my friends with Esclades, Tahoes and Denalis I have something different". Unfortunately this is what brings on some of the vehicle's negative image. The truck belongs off road. People expect to see it 4-wheeling, towing dirt bikes or boat, camping, running the Rubicon trails---not with guys in ties heading to their desk jobs, ladies with their kids hanging out the windows when they do school drop off and pickup and certainly not for stuffing it in those darn little parking spaces at the mall......
I'm an off road purist. Know what you are buying and what it's for. It's not for shopping.
Badaboom, badabang!
[This message was edited by H2Norcal on December 18, 2002 at 08:11 PM.]
that's the good ole USA...
I got the penile compensation comment just the other day from a gal... I merely replied "so how much viagra does your guy pop to bed you?" She left muttering something or other.
JJ
Steve R
12-19-2002, 05:34 AM
Long ago, on another list, this same issue came up. Some lady actually asked me "wouldn't the penile enlargment have been a cheaper route?" when inquiring about my choice to buy the H2.
By list consensus the best comeback was to boldly state "why would I do that? My wife already complains it's too big as it is!". This was all funny and good.
For what it's worth, my license plate frame was originally going to read "Why yes, I am compensating for other inadequacies"...but due to length and readability it was cut down to read "Makin' up for other shortcomings".
And now for our adult rating...I would be willing to pay good money to any of the wild & crazy ladies on our list to do this: The next time anyone asks "why an H2?" (with a snotty nasty attitude)....just reply back: cause I like a rough mean ride, it was either this or a (sorry...I just can't type it)
I think it's wrong that people try to psychologically analyse us. Why can't we enjoy a great offroad vehicle without all the criticism?
were from people who were supposed to be close friends who stated the day we got it,"that thing is ugly, I would never want to own one." Came from two couples we know, neither of which have the means to own anything other then a rice burner. So, at first we were insulted and then after a day or so, put it all in perspective. The reality is that most people we talk to want to know how much it cost and then are shocked to know that the Caddy Escalade and many of the "loaded" high end SUV's are comparable in price or more expensive. Same for many of the High dollar cars like the Mercedes and the BMW SUV's. Similar issues with gas milage, but of course we have beat that issue to death, there are plenty of trucks that use as much or more gas then the H2. Once you address these two issues then suddenly it is more cool...
"Let me show you my gun collection"
bklynh2srock
12-19-2002, 11:47 AM
H2Norcal- I apologize for aiding in the potential disparagement of the H2. I am absolutely sure my husband and I don't "look" like we "need" an H2 and I am sure we are the reason people hate the H2. When we finally post our pic, please tell us if we are worthy. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
kelleymac2000
12-19-2002, 12:29 PM
You're worthy in my opinion. I don't care what ANYONE uses this truck for. I'm sick to death of people analyzing my choice, what I look like, and whether I "deserve" to drive it. I can make the payments, therefore I deserve to drive it. If you need anymore information mind your own f------ business.
/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Kelley
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bklynh2srock:
H2Norcal- I apologize for aiding in the potential disparagement of the H2. I am absolutely sure my husband and I don't "look" like we "need" an H2 and I am sure we are the reason people hate the H2. When we finally post our pic, please tell us if we are worthy. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Tiger Bait
12-19-2002, 12:38 PM
You are 200% percent correct. It's my own business and no one else. I have gotten nothing, but how's the gas mileage from everyone and wow what a truck. I have actually three times, as I am walking back to my H2, seen people posing and taking a picture in front of my truck. People that I had no clue who they were. When I asked them why they did it, they said they were just excited to be able to see one close up. On the other side, since it is legal in Texas, I am considering taking the course to begin legally carrying my .357 Magnum, just in case.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kelleymac2000:
You're worthy in my opinion. I don't care what ANYONE uses this truck for. I'm sick to death of people analyzing my choice, what I look like, and whether I "deserve" to drive it. I can make the payments, therefore I deserve to drive it. If you need anymore information mind your own f------ business.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm starting to sound like a broken record but . . . you go girl!
I am sick and !*&^%$ tired of people telling me I'm an idiot for having this truck if I'm not driving it exclusively off-road. Besides the fact that it's none of anyone's business, this is NOT strictly an off-road vehicle. It was designed to travel well off-road and on-road. I will use all of its capabilities.
Then on the other side, I get harassed by my mother for taking my own truck off-road and getting it muddy. Can't please anyone so I'm not going to worry about it. I'm happy with my truck and with how I use it so get the heck out of my business.
Kim
KAC
'03 Red Adv Series
RacerX
12-19-2002, 02:28 PM
Well it really wasn't an attack but it did make me very nervous about potential problems like the early reports in N. Virginia.
I went to the movie yesterday to see the second installment of Lord Of The Rings. When I came out there was a note posted on the bumper saying "I'm Changing the Climate (8mpg, $50,000 makes no sense)." Luckily nothing else was done. I hope this is a limited response and I don't have to look over my shoulder anytime I go into the city. They should get their facts straight before attacking. Cost and mileage not that different from any other SUV. Maybe a little higher cost but not materially different, maybe 15% higher than a tahoe with the same options. I am a little concerned that the H2 will become the easy target for all of those environmentalist that hate SUV's.
This did leave me a little disturbed last night. Most comments have been positive other than one kid making the ugly comment and of course the gas mileage. I have found most people very surprised at the cost. I think they are expecting much higher.
My wife got a kick out of waiting for the H2 at a hotel valet and listening to all of the comments. They didn't think it was for her. They were embarrassed initially but quickly crowded around for a look when offered. We have often offered the gawkers a look inside and nearly get run over each time.
People amaze me though. While I don't feel asking gas mileage is too obtrusive the other questions blow me away. We also own a LR Def. 90. With both cars people always ask what we had to pay. It blows me away every time. That is right up there with asking about your income.
I guess no gain (owning an H2) no pain (annoying/rude people).
We have had no negative reaction from anyone.
Nowadays, Benz & BMW are everywhere like Toyota (There is story on this in current AutoWeek), but years ago, when they were more prestigious, I did get some negative reactions from some truckers, got keyed a few times, but no strangers ever asked me about the cars. Hummer turned out to be a people-friendly vehicle, strangers rich or poor would smile or talk to us about it. I don’t mind any of these brief questions, and we are always very open and friendly in response. I found strangers tend to be more careful and reserved with me next to Hummer than my wife, they tend to talk more or look closer with a female Hummer driver.
On the topic of whether the Hummer should be reserved for only the off-road enthusiasts, I say NO. Any one that likes the H2 and can afford one should purchase as they see fit. I pick-up groceries and go wheeling with my vehicle, but if another H2 owner only goes shopping with it - fine, that's their business.
I have admiration for all of you that bought American; yes, it still matters.
I've actually beat the heck out of my H2 in the 6 months I've owned it. The wheels have scratches and the entire vehicle has been submerged in mud, snow, and grime up to the door sills.
You make the payments - use it as you like.
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SOCAL XMER
12-19-2002, 04:49 PM
I have learned alot about the H2 and to all the nay sayers, with things like transmission fluid that lasts the life of the vehicle and and extended lif coolent and all of the hydroforming procsss used to make the HUMMER it is a true environmentally frendly vehicle. I think as more pepople learn the truth about the HUMMER the more they want one.
sheag
12-19-2002, 06:25 PM
H2Norcal, give me a break. I'm one of those "ladies" with kids, I take my H2 shopping (gasp!), and it also gets a lot more offroad time than probably 99% of anyone else driving one. Like the other women on this forum, I am sick to death of people who seem to think that you need to fit in a certain box to "deserve" an H2 or that if you're a female with kids you don't go offroading. You're as bad as the people who accuse men who drive H2s of having penile inferiority complexes. At any rate, I don't care if my H2 never left the freakin' pavement, what difference does it make to you who drives an H2, why they bought it, and what they use it for? Does it effect your enjoyment of your vehicle if you don't think everyone else's reasons for buying one are as worthy as yours? Dude, that's just sad. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Shea
NSXTC
12-19-2002, 06:52 PM
US Weekly has an article stating that Arnold drives his new H2 around when he goes out with his kids. Tell it to his face that it's not worthy of a family car. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
buddy
12-19-2002, 07:25 PM
Isn't it great that we live in this great country and have the choices we do.
I personally love the H2, whether its off-roading or headed over to Home Depot, or just plain cruising around. I find reasons everyday to drive mine somewhere...my wife always finds places we need to go and she wants to be sitting the Hummer when we go. Can't blame her there..she always liked being looked at, but she'll never admit it /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Did say she loves the H2?
I feel that anyone who can afford the Hummer, and wants H2, should buy one and use it how ever they please. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
03grunt
SOCAL XMER
12-19-2002, 07:42 PM
I read the post, forget who it was that posted about getting hit at 60mph by a Jeep and the H2 save his familys life, HMMMMM can you put a price on family safty? I think that is the best reason to drive a tank and I can't wait untill I can afford one!
H2Norcal
12-20-2002, 12:29 AM
Well I guess I stirred the pot a bit. Steve R, I know how you feel now (side steps). You are all right. It doesn't matter what you drive or where you drive it. Just that you enjoy it. I hope our dialog on this topic only helps everyone of you deal with the pressures you may encounter. The H2 is a wild vehicle. We all wanted one for individual reasons. I will guarantee that your reason was centered around having the first of something very different and eye catching. Ego? Bored of the other SUVs? Probably both of my reasons. Enjoy it either way.
Shea. I'm a guy and have kids. My son is totally infatuated with it and my daughter thinks its ugly. Although I think you should get what you want in life, I still see no purpose for using it as mom's mini-van. Sorry. It just looks funky when I see mom and the kids hanging out the windows yelling at their friends. It looks more like a "look at me I got one" thing than "gee, I bought this for a functional reason and happen to be picking up my kids". To each their own.
Enjoy your H2!!!!!!!!!
HeeHaw
12-20-2002, 12:46 AM
My bad comments have come from friends only. Strangers are polite and always have nice things to say or ask.
Some of my supposed good friends, say things like:
"How do you like your Chev 1500 pickup (referring to the frame"
"For 50K I would expect" (something they feel should've been in or on the Hummer)
"I would buy a Tahoe and a car for that"
Things like this are what I hear and this is from some friends. Of course, my true friends treat me with respect and joke with me about everthing including the Hummer.
The rest I forget.
As for Steve's post.......I agree with him. When someone makes that kind of statement to me I simply say "NO ONE EVER ASKED ME FOR A REFUND?? as I start to unbutton my 501 jeans.....
HeeeeeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
HummerGirl
12-20-2002, 01:39 AM
I was at the red neck mall (wal-mart) the other day picking up a few things for our off road trip this weekend and was getting out of my H2. Before I actually got out I was putting papers (checks and deposits)and envelopes away out of sight. As I was doing this two young black men walked in front of my H2 and were making comments about it. I had the sunroof propped up and I could hear what they were saying.
Of course they were going on and on about it in their hip-hop talk. One came up to the grill and said "Bitch, what you need this for?" thinking that I could not hear him. I igonored him of course. He went on to say, "Bitch, you need to get out so I can see inside this ride cause I need it.". And then I looked up and he was a little shocked that I heard everything he said.
I rolled down the window as he was walking up to the my side of the H2 and asked "what did you say?", he replied..."Oh I was just looking at your ride."
I replied "Uh, that's not what you said and I you really don't need this in the hood do you?"...shocked that a short white girl would reply so boldly, he remarked that he thought it was too big for me to drive. I told him it was plenty big for the gun under my seat.
They quickly trotted on in the Walmart. Another black gentleman came up to me after I finally got out and commented with a great big smile on how much he really liked it. He said it was so bad!!!
So frankly I'm not thrilled about seeing H2 on MTV and becoming a "rappers/gangster" mobile. I got enough of that with my 7 series. I want the H2 to give presence of the rough and rugged American man and it's soil.
Can't believe I was so gutsy with this guy. Thank god their are cameras at wal-mart. I would have hated to gone Madeline TooGood on his ass in the parking lot. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
~amy
kelleymac2000
12-20-2002, 01:47 AM
My mouth sometimes gets ahead of me, but people like that are SO FRUSTRATING. Just be sure you have an exit...wait, I know...just drive OVER them! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Good for you to stand up for yourself!
Kelley
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
I learned recently that PIMP is actually a good word, such as PIMPED OUT HUMMER. The B word in this case, which I will not even type out, could be a compliment from them. This very well could be the case.
I am glad you are 3000 miles away. You can have my wallet and my Hummer, please just let me live.
HeeHaw
12-20-2002, 02:41 AM
Believe it or not, he talks this way. He's a cop and for the most part, he acts professional at work and jokingly talks like those two did and it very funny in doing so.
MAC is right. Pimp used in this context was a compliment by them. "Bitch" wasn't! Its ghetto...period.
You got spunk!
/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
HeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwwwwww
I have been lurking in the background for some time now. I think that this is the best forum ever.
I've had my H2 for 3 days, and loving every minute. I don't really care were we are going anymore, I just enjoy getting there.
I was corned at work by two co-works, who just could not figure out why I would want to buy such a thing. They were both enviromentalist, and just chewed me up and spit me out. It was a sore spot for a few days, and even now, they don't know that I actually have it. Oh well, it is their loss.
I have another friend that was sitting on the wall not sure what to think. We both went down for the test drive, and still he was unsure. Now that I have it, he doesn't care were we are going, he just wants to go for the ride. (can't say that with many suv). Can't believe how something that looks this big, and be so refined on the inside. Its great.
I am a single parent, and my sons mother lives in Montana, and now we can go up to visit her over the x-mas school break,and not worry about the snow. I can't wait until we get the 500 miles done and over, so we can take off on our road trip.
I've gotten alot of "cool truck", and the looking inside like the rest of you. I just wanted something that made my heart go pitter patter, and not be driving something that has been homogenized like all of the other vechiles on the road today.
Don't forget, the manual says not over 55 MPH durign the first 500 miles.
I was going 80 MPH until I read it @ 300 miles.
Thanks MAC. I keep in the slow lane on the freeways, and keep checking my speed. but, but, but, but, IT IS SO HARD.....
Steve R
12-20-2002, 04:46 AM
...it's even harder when other SUV's pass you by and look at you like your a slow/weak doggie! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Remember to vary your speed a bit...don't stay at any one speed too long. It's part of breaking in the engine too. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Well, it seems like I'm not alone, which makes me feel better!
I usually don't let these things bother me and most of them I quickly wrote off. The
"a little pretentious dont you think?"
bothered me more than the rest though. According to dictionary.com:
pre·ten·tious
Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
The "especially when unjustified" part is what burned me. I'm over it now, chalked that up to jealousy & lack of class. It really does amaze me what people will say and infer!
- Dan
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hummergirl:
Can't believe I was so gutsy with this guy. Thank god their are cameras at wal-mart. I would have hated to gone Madeline TooGood on his ass in the parking lot. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
~amy
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the chuckle Hummergirl - he sure would have deserved it though! Very nice comeback.
Kim
KAC
'03 Red Adv Series
So a year before I got the H2, I started preparing for it. I shaved my head, got a couple of earings, oakley blades, started listening to rap and working out like a maniac to get the 'tude to ride a pimpin big body sittin on chrome!!
Amy, that's kind of expected at Walmart, no offense. Good job standing up to them, give them more attitude they'll back down. They are ghetto, and with that attitute, they'll always be and wonder why other people get so far ahead than them..
TJB, congrats and welcome, this forum has a really good group of people, enjoy your new ride.
Dan, I tell people who call me pretentious.. "Yes, ofcourse, I am also compensating.. what's it to you?" Watch their reaction.
MAC..Sorry, I couldnt resist.. "MAC" is also a term for a Pimpin dude.. "macdaddy"
Steve R
12-20-2002, 05:57 PM
According to a recently conducted survey and general consensus on the issue...my feedback would indicate that the proper ebonic term for MAC's name (in order to be 'down' with his 'hommies' while 'chillin' in their 'crib', hanging in the 'hood') would be:
"DiddyMAC"
Also, Hummergirl may have been offended over what actually was just a general referral to any individual: Bitches are actually a non-gender reference to any person, and its not even a disrespectful thing! It has come to replace the formerly used term "man"....
Admittedly, it is a bit hard to swallow....but in an ever-changing world and the pursuit of being "hip"...these are the terms the players are using. Lord have mercy!
And Amy...it may not have been a good idea to have mentioned your 'piece' under the seat; that could have been seen as a challenge to "throw-down". Word to your Hummer!
Yeah, what S Money said ^^^^^^!
Too bad I look like the poster boy for the Russian Mafia, I'd love to debate some of these enviro-whackos that approach some of you guys/gals. I simply don't get the negative confrontations; man do I feel left-out. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Steve, your ebonics translation is a little weak, still letting your true cracker self shine through. May I suggest the latest in ebonics translation technology:
click here (http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp)
- Dan /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
ah yes "diddyMAC"... the playa of all playas speaks..
Dan.. that was hilarious.
SOCAL XMER
12-20-2002, 06:15 PM
I get so pissed off when some jerk who trys to tell people what they should drive.
I want to buy a HUMMER for family safty and I love to piss of the Liberals who don't approve of what you drive or are very jelous.
future H2 owner
HUMMERDOGG
12-20-2002, 10:52 PM
Well, I have an answer to alleviate people asking ya'll the two most asked questions... Have your license plate read:
55K 15MPG
Klaus
12-20-2002, 11:20 PM
MAC just posted a message from Time Magazine that I think every H2 owner should read.
Our H2's are going to be targets in '03.
http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=6916043161&m=7496033581&r=7496033581#7496033581
Just remembered one comment that stumped me..
Greasy valet parking guy at the Inn at Spanish Bay, Pebble Beach: "They let anyone get these now"
I ignored him.. NO TIP FOR YOU!!!
Killhard 101
12-12-2004, 08:58 PM
man, the H2's are **** loads of fun. but i also like the H1's. either way, they are all american and we are helping support american workers, instead of those other people who try to save gas by driving those tiny little cars that would be crushed by the supior size of any hummer!
Killhard 101
12-12-2004, 08:58 PM
man, the H2's are **** loads of fun. but i also like the H1's. either way, they are all american and we are helping support american workers, instead of those other people who try to save gas by driving those tiny little cars that would be crushed by the supior size of any hummer!
H2 Passion
12-12-2004, 10:04 PM
Hi,
Some people told me, buy an X5, a Cayenne for that price...They should have a real 4x4 spirit before they comment.. In Lebanon the H2 is for 105,000 US$... and we pay 4$ per gallon.
Some other people said, it's very ugly, so i replied to them, We just Civilized the Beast...
Elie
H2 Passion
12-12-2004, 10:04 PM
Hi,
Some people told me, buy an X5, a Cayenne for that price...They should have a real 4x4 spirit before they comment.. In Lebanon the H2 is for 105,000 US$... and we pay 4$ per gallon.
Some other people said, it's very ugly, so i replied to them, We just Civilized the Beast...
Elie
Hummina_Hummina
12-15-2004, 06:25 AM
I get
"Thats an overglorified tahoe"
"Thats just a tahoe chassis under a square box"
"What gas mileage does that get?" followed by how many gallons does it hold
"Can I drive it please please please"
Hummina_Hummina
12-15-2004, 06:25 AM
I get
"Thats an overglorified tahoe"
"Thats just a tahoe chassis under a square box"
"What gas mileage does that get?" followed by how many gallons does it hold
"Can I drive it please please please"
Humdinger
12-15-2004, 10:39 AM
Well, within the first two months, I got the "Im number one" finger from some people passing by. Funny thing was, I hadnt even cut them off yet!
Humdinger
12-15-2004, 10:39 AM
Well, within the first two months, I got the "Im number one" finger from some people passing by. Funny thing was, I hadnt even cut them off yet!
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 04:24 AM
Really, you shouldn't flatter yourselves thinking all the negativity is the result of jealousy. That's just a mechinism that allows you to so easily deny the truth.
Anyone with anything more thoughtful to say than:
1. Haters are jealous
2. Haters should mind their own business
3. I'll kick your ass
Please elucidate here, or come on over to:
http://hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php
Arnie http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 04:24 AM
Really, you shouldn't flatter yourselves thinking all the negativity is the result of jealousy. That's just a mechinism that allows you to so easily deny the truth.
Anyone with anything more thoughtful to say than:
1. Haters are jealous
2. Haters should mind their own business
3. I'll kick your ass
Please elucidate here, or come on over to:
http://hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php
Arnie http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 04:47 AM
Sorry, you broke rules 2 & 3 above. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But, actually some of you must care about society's opinion, otherwise you wouldn't have started this topic.
Can't at least one of you give an intelligent, adult defense for the "negativity" you've experienced and talked about in this topic?
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 04:47 AM
Sorry, you broke rules 2 & 3 above. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But, actually some of you must care about society's opinion, otherwise you wouldn't have started this topic.
Can't at least one of you give an intelligent, adult defense for the "negativity" you've experienced and talked about in this topic?
DRTYFN
12-16-2004, 04:49 AM
So what would you have everyone drive? What should we wear? What should we eat? What type of employment should we seek? Religion? Favorite color?
Well?
DRTYFN
12-16-2004, 04:49 AM
So what would you have everyone drive? What should we wear? What should we eat? What type of employment should we seek? Religion? Favorite color?
Well?
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 05:02 AM
Right, we should all mind our own business.
Still, this is the only defense I've heard (also from sfox above), that you guys just don't care about what people think and that you have the right to drive whatever you want. And I'll agree to both the points.
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers?
These are shared resources. Just because you can buy all you want of them doesn't mean that's responsible, does it?
What is your answer other than "just shut the **** up you jealous moron"?
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 05:02 AM
Right, we should all mind our own business.
Still, this is the only defense I've heard (also from sfox above), that you guys just don't care about what people think and that you have the right to drive whatever you want. And I'll agree to both the points.
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers?
These are shared resources. Just because you can buy all you want of them doesn't mean that's responsible, does it?
What is your answer other than "just shut the **** up you jealous moron"?
DRTYFN
12-16-2004, 05:21 AM
What part of this post didn't you get?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
So what would you have everyone drive? What should we wear? What should we eat? What type of employment should we seek? Religion? Favorite color?
Well? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I see you conveniently skipped the answers. Figures. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Are you just going to keep on feebly trying to antagonize a group of people that just so happen to partake in something that you find offensive? Why not expose your personal life to us for examination. I'm sure someone here could find something you own or do offensive. Just an observation, but you sound like someone that wipes back to front. Maybe that's why you're such a cranky prick.
Normally I'd just jump you and rip you an auxiliary *******, but I've seen your little "look at me- I'm a radical" blog and have seen that the only way to get an idea into your head is with actual blunt force trauma. And while that is an appealing idea the possible consequences far outweigh any pleasure I might derive from bludgeoning you. Oh yeah, and pissing all over you... after I've eaten a couple pounds of asparagus.
DRTYFN
12-16-2004, 05:21 AM
What part of this post didn't you get?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
So what would you have everyone drive? What should we wear? What should we eat? What type of employment should we seek? Religion? Favorite color?
Well? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I see you conveniently skipped the answers. Figures. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Are you just going to keep on feebly trying to antagonize a group of people that just so happen to partake in something that you find offensive? Why not expose your personal life to us for examination. I'm sure someone here could find something you own or do offensive. Just an observation, but you sound like someone that wipes back to front. Maybe that's why you're such a cranky prick.
Normally I'd just jump you and rip you an auxiliary *******, but I've seen your little "look at me- I'm a radical" blog and have seen that the only way to get an idea into your head is with actual blunt force trauma. And while that is an appealing idea the possible consequences far outweigh any pleasure I might derive from bludgeoning you. Oh yeah, and pissing all over you... after I've eaten a couple pounds of asparagus.
DennisAJC
12-16-2004, 05:52 AM
LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
DennisAJC
12-16-2004, 05:52 AM
LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 06:18 AM
Skipped the answers? Er...what part of mine didn't you get. Sorry if it was too subtle. I notice there's not a lot of that around here.
So, I'll spell it out slowly: I beleive that you have the right to drive or wear or believe whatever you want. There's just one more step to being adult called social responsiblity. It usually starts with understanding the facts, thinking about actions, and then acting accordingly.
So I would not "have' anyone do anything except think, really.
Have you thought about my question? Or do you feel satisfied with just making threats that only show your lack of an answer?
What is your excuse for throwing away resources people are dying for? And if you have none, why are you so put off by "negative comments?"
Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
But really, I just don't get why people think it's socially OK to just espouse flagrant waste, like GM does with its Hummer marketing, and that people actually fall for it, and then drive these things through America's streets as the nation is in war to keep them fuled.
Why don't you believe we should be lowering average gas milage instead of increasing it? Why isn't that a no-brainer?
Cranky prick? Maybe. But I'll lighten up as soon as I find some rational discussion...but maybe not here either.
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 06:18 AM
Skipped the answers? Er...what part of mine didn't you get. Sorry if it was too subtle. I notice there's not a lot of that around here.
So, I'll spell it out slowly: I beleive that you have the right to drive or wear or believe whatever you want. There's just one more step to being adult called social responsiblity. It usually starts with understanding the facts, thinking about actions, and then acting accordingly.
So I would not "have' anyone do anything except think, really.
Have you thought about my question? Or do you feel satisfied with just making threats that only show your lack of an answer?
What is your excuse for throwing away resources people are dying for? And if you have none, why are you so put off by "negative comments?"
Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
But really, I just don't get why people think it's socially OK to just espouse flagrant waste, like GM does with its Hummer marketing, and that people actually fall for it, and then drive these things through America's streets as the nation is in war to keep them fuled.
Why don't you believe we should be lowering average gas milage instead of increasing it? Why isn't that a no-brainer?
Cranky prick? Maybe. But I'll lighten up as soon as I find some rational discussion...but maybe not here either.
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, good one, that. I'm with ya, bud.
Arnold McBain
12-16-2004, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, good one, that. I'm with ya, bud.
Sideshow
12-16-2004, 08:20 AM
I fought for this country and will drive WHATEVER I damn well please. I have that right and NOBODY is going to take it from me.
Sideshow
12-16-2004, 08:20 AM
I fought for this country and will drive WHATEVER I damn well please. I have that right and NOBODY is going to take it from me.
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence?
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence?
devilsfan
12-16-2004, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, don't even touch the military subject. You ask ANY soldier if they're fighting a gas war and they will tell you completely differently. I know too many who have bought mammoth SUVs with their hazard pay. Obviously, if buying more gas was causing their deployments and fellow soldiers to die, wouldn't there be more sales of hybrids? This is a subject you best leave alone. Bash the truck if you don't want one, I could care less, but leave our military out of it.
Stacy
devilsfan
12-16-2004, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, don't even touch the military subject. You ask ANY soldier if they're fighting a gas war and they will tell you completely differently. I know too many who have bought mammoth SUVs with their hazard pay. Obviously, if buying more gas was causing their deployments and fellow soldiers to die, wouldn't there be more sales of hybrids? This is a subject you best leave alone. Bash the truck if you don't want one, I could care less, but leave our military out of it.
Stacy
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 12:44 PM
Yep, the kid's must be out for the holidays.
First, speaking of an ignorant viewpoint, exacty what part of the Iraq war ameliorates the US oil reserves. You know, especially seeing as how the gas prices in the US react hourly to what OPEC says or does. If you don't understand helping another person free themselves from the bonds of a dictator who tortured and killed, not only his own people, but was a threat to other sovereign nations around him, then it's a moot point to discuss any further. In 2 or 3 years, when you are old enough, why don't you serve a tour for your country so you can understand what really matters and what it really means to be an American. Since you are so flippant about those who make the ultimate sacrifice just so you can pretend to be the rebel teenager.
Second, SUVs "driving around on our cities' streets" makes much more sense than a pickup that can carry 2 people and gets the same gas mileage as the SUVs you so love to hate. Please explain to us why it is so convenient to jump on a liberal cause, albeit a farcical one, about SUVs when pickup trucks have been running around our city streets burning the same, and the same amount, of fossil fuels as your little banner vehicle, the SUV. Not to mention that, no matter what, the pickup until recently, would only sit 2 people. No, no, don't even try to jump in here and provide the ignorant remarks of the liberals you aspire to be and say that SUVs are running around only carrying the driver. Yeah, go ahead and make the comment about soccer moms. Because that soccer mom vehicle can run around your precious, fragile city ferrying her kids around and then turn around and haul the boat to the lake for the weekend (along with daddy and all of the kids and their luggage). Try that in you inefficient, fume spewing, '88 Honda. Sure blame the soccer mom because she and her family can't afford to have a car, a minivan and a pickup truck to pull the boat with.
Oh, I'm sorry, we totally even forgot what SUV is an acronym for. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
As far as the nature of this thread. You don't see anyone discussing selling their H2 because ignorant little pissants such as you flip them off or say something negative, do you. No, it's because we really do not care what those people think about our choice of vehicle to drive. Just because something is discussed does not automatically correlate to some worry about the subject. Most of us are just amazed at the nature of the people who actually do have negative comments. Many of us have had this same experience from the same idiots with other vehicles that they are obviously jealous of. So, you can type to attempt to discount the jealousy angle, but it doesn't negate the truth. Why do these same people flip off and fling insults to those driving exotic sports cars? Oops, another thing that wasting liberals won't bother complaining about. What about those cars that burn fossil fuels for no other reason but to look good (seeing as how they can't be driven even close to their capabilities legally).
My fingers are getting tired or I could go on and on and on and on about how inane this line of thinking is. You seem to be so dense that you didn't realize that the liberals alread tried to push this agenda and quickly figured out, in light of actual facts, that it didn't have any legs. Find another cause, find God, and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life.
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 12:44 PM
Yep, the kid's must be out for the holidays.
First, speaking of an ignorant viewpoint, exacty what part of the Iraq war ameliorates the US oil reserves. You know, especially seeing as how the gas prices in the US react hourly to what OPEC says or does. If you don't understand helping another person free themselves from the bonds of a dictator who tortured and killed, not only his own people, but was a threat to other sovereign nations around him, then it's a moot point to discuss any further. In 2 or 3 years, when you are old enough, why don't you serve a tour for your country so you can understand what really matters and what it really means to be an American. Since you are so flippant about those who make the ultimate sacrifice just so you can pretend to be the rebel teenager.
Second, SUVs "driving around on our cities' streets" makes much more sense than a pickup that can carry 2 people and gets the same gas mileage as the SUVs you so love to hate. Please explain to us why it is so convenient to jump on a liberal cause, albeit a farcical one, about SUVs when pickup trucks have been running around our city streets burning the same, and the same amount, of fossil fuels as your little banner vehicle, the SUV. Not to mention that, no matter what, the pickup until recently, would only sit 2 people. No, no, don't even try to jump in here and provide the ignorant remarks of the liberals you aspire to be and say that SUVs are running around only carrying the driver. Yeah, go ahead and make the comment about soccer moms. Because that soccer mom vehicle can run around your precious, fragile city ferrying her kids around and then turn around and haul the boat to the lake for the weekend (along with daddy and all of the kids and their luggage). Try that in you inefficient, fume spewing, '88 Honda. Sure blame the soccer mom because she and her family can't afford to have a car, a minivan and a pickup truck to pull the boat with.
Oh, I'm sorry, we totally even forgot what SUV is an acronym for. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
As far as the nature of this thread. You don't see anyone discussing selling their H2 because ignorant little pissants such as you flip them off or say something negative, do you. No, it's because we really do not care what those people think about our choice of vehicle to drive. Just because something is discussed does not automatically correlate to some worry about the subject. Most of us are just amazed at the nature of the people who actually do have negative comments. Many of us have had this same experience from the same idiots with other vehicles that they are obviously jealous of. So, you can type to attempt to discount the jealousy angle, but it doesn't negate the truth. Why do these same people flip off and fling insults to those driving exotic sports cars? Oops, another thing that wasting liberals won't bother complaining about. What about those cars that burn fossil fuels for no other reason but to look good (seeing as how they can't be driven even close to their capabilities legally).
My fingers are getting tired or I could go on and on and on and on about how inane this line of thinking is. You seem to be so dense that you didn't realize that the liberals alread tried to push this agenda and quickly figured out, in light of actual facts, that it didn't have any legs. Find another cause, find God, and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life.
sbmike
12-16-2004, 02:23 PM
Bain of your own existence: My only comment in response to your original post is: what does it say about the collective intelligence (or more accurately the lack of intelligence) of folks on 145 pages of photos flipping off an inanimate object? Now, if they were flipping off the actual drivers of the H2's TO THEIR FACES, your posting here might make more sense. But, of course, that would never happen, would it? Safely hidden in your POS you can show how politically correct you think you are (by photographing it, no less!) without suffering the consequences of actually standing up for your beliefs, face to face with the supposed "offender". It's back to one of my main beliefs about the general culture of our country these days where folks seem to think: "If I don't agree with it, it's wrong"... end of story.
sbmike
12-16-2004, 02:23 PM
Bain of your own existence: My only comment in response to your original post is: what does it say about the collective intelligence (or more accurately the lack of intelligence) of folks on 145 pages of photos flipping off an inanimate object? Now, if they were flipping off the actual drivers of the H2's TO THEIR FACES, your posting here might make more sense. But, of course, that would never happen, would it? Safely hidden in your POS you can show how politically correct you think you are (by photographing it, no less!) without suffering the consequences of actually standing up for your beliefs, face to face with the supposed "offender". It's back to one of my main beliefs about the general culture of our country these days where folks seem to think: "If I don't agree with it, it's wrong"... end of story.
devilsfan
12-16-2004, 03:13 PM
What I want to know is, what exactly do you have going on in your life to cause this much hatred towards a total stranger based only on the car they drive? You don't know anything about us. You don't know anything about those H2 drivers on the FUH2 site. There are people on here who may have donated what amounts to years for Habitat for Humanity. People who have raised 14 foster kids as their own. Others who have donated their time and their company's time to building schools and shelters. Others who have truly made a difference by helping others....yet you flip them off because of their choice of transportation? If that's how you measure a person's value and worth in life, by what they drive, then that's pretty sad. I think morals, integrity, and leaving a positive mark on the lives of others is a lot more important than the fact I drive a vehicle that gets 12 mpg. Which is 2 mpg BETTER than the old Chevy pickup I traded in, mind you.
Stacy
devilsfan
12-16-2004, 03:13 PM
What I want to know is, what exactly do you have going on in your life to cause this much hatred towards a total stranger based only on the car they drive? You don't know anything about us. You don't know anything about those H2 drivers on the FUH2 site. There are people on here who may have donated what amounts to years for Habitat for Humanity. People who have raised 14 foster kids as their own. Others who have donated their time and their company's time to building schools and shelters. Others who have truly made a difference by helping others....yet you flip them off because of their choice of transportation? If that's how you measure a person's value and worth in life, by what they drive, then that's pretty sad. I think morals, integrity, and leaving a positive mark on the lives of others is a lot more important than the fact I drive a vehicle that gets 12 mpg. Which is 2 mpg BETTER than the old Chevy pickup I traded in, mind you.
Stacy
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I imagined or wished for the power of a Jedi. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I imagined or wished for the power of a Jedi. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I've imagined myself as a Jedi as long as I can remember. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I've imagined myself as a Jedi as long as I can remember. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
H2Pilot
12-16-2004, 08:45 PM
__________________________________________
Really, you shouldn't flatter yourselves thinking all the negativity is the result of jealousy. That's just a mechinism that allows you to so easily deny the truth.
Anyone with anything more thoughtful to say than:
blah blah blah
_________________________________________
What I really hate is liberals spewing their belief that America is fighting the war in Iraq for fuel. That is absolutely ridculous. I have fought for freedom as a US Marine and am ofended by your remarks. I am now employed in a position that affords me information about the war in Iraq that disproves the conjecture of "blood for oil". What an idiot you are to believe everything thing some liberal nut tells you on TV or at your tree-hugging parties in the woods.
I purchased my H2 with plenty of forethought as to its impact on my family, my budget, and the environment in which I live. I am married with three kids and live in the mountains of New Mexico. I purchased a used H2 because it was LESS EXPENSIVE than other new vehicles that gave the same performance and which I actually liked. It carries my entire family through the snow and mud and protects them from the people on the road who drive like idiots.
As far as the gas mileage goes, I really only drive about 5000 miles a year and I often ride my mountain bike to work. Over a 5 year period my H2 will burn roughly 2080 gallons (12 mpg) while other vehicles that would fit my situation would burn about 1660. Saving a little over 400 gallons of gas over 5 years. Big Deal.
Why does it bother me that some morons like your self hate Hummers? Because I like my vehicle, I take care of it, pay for it, and because some people have some misguided opinions about it, they go out of their way to vandalize my property or harrass me or my family.
Does that answer you moronic question? Hope so.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I Forgot a couple of things. I used to drive a large pickup that got worse gas mileage but was able to haul stuff all over the country. We used to have a little Honda civic that got great gas mileage until some idiot in a little blazer ran a stop sign in front of my wife, son and step mother totalling the civic and nearly killing my family. I decided we will never drive something small again.
H2Pilot
12-16-2004, 08:45 PM
__________________________________________
Really, you shouldn't flatter yourselves thinking all the negativity is the result of jealousy. That's just a mechinism that allows you to so easily deny the truth.
Anyone with anything more thoughtful to say than:
blah blah blah
_________________________________________
What I really hate is liberals spewing their belief that America is fighting the war in Iraq for fuel. That is absolutely ridculous. I have fought for freedom as a US Marine and am ofended by your remarks. I am now employed in a position that affords me information about the war in Iraq that disproves the conjecture of "blood for oil". What an idiot you are to believe everything thing some liberal nut tells you on TV or at your tree-hugging parties in the woods.
I purchased my H2 with plenty of forethought as to its impact on my family, my budget, and the environment in which I live. I am married with three kids and live in the mountains of New Mexico. I purchased a used H2 because it was LESS EXPENSIVE than other new vehicles that gave the same performance and which I actually liked. It carries my entire family through the snow and mud and protects them from the people on the road who drive like idiots.
As far as the gas mileage goes, I really only drive about 5000 miles a year and I often ride my mountain bike to work. Over a 5 year period my H2 will burn roughly 2080 gallons (12 mpg) while other vehicles that would fit my situation would burn about 1660. Saving a little over 400 gallons of gas over 5 years. Big Deal.
Why does it bother me that some morons like your self hate Hummers? Because I like my vehicle, I take care of it, pay for it, and because some people have some misguided opinions about it, they go out of their way to vandalize my property or harrass me or my family.
Does that answer you moronic question? Hope so.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I Forgot a couple of things. I used to drive a large pickup that got worse gas mileage but was able to haul stuff all over the country. We used to have a little Honda civic that got great gas mileage until some idiot in a little blazer ran a stop sign in front of my wife, son and step mother totalling the civic and nearly killing my family. I decided we will never drive something small again.
DRTYFN
12-16-2004, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, good one, that. I'm with ya, bud. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Me too.
So, "Arnold" or would you prefer to be called Anthony? How's Petaluma?
DRTYFN
12-16-2004, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
LOL! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, good one, that. I'm with ya, bud. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Me too.
So, "Arnold" or would you prefer to be called Anthony? How's Petaluma?
Yetti
12-16-2004, 10:33 PM
Well I read a little of Amy's rantings..Oh s'cuse Arni's rantings, but never the less they are the opinion of a society the encourages the sufferage of the well to do. the middle class is lead to believe they are the just deserved. so with that, we raise children who think they deserve..well..Everything! and don't have to work for anything. so the handouts these trolls get from their parents are the computers they troll the net on. I would think if parents wanted the best for their children, they wouldn't let them near the net without supervision.
just my two cents...Troll!
Ps, I love my Hummer...I am buying another one http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Yetti
12-16-2004, 10:33 PM
Well I read a little of Amy's rantings..Oh s'cuse Arni's rantings, but never the less they are the opinion of a society the encourages the sufferage of the well to do. the middle class is lead to believe they are the just deserved. so with that, we raise children who think they deserve..well..Everything! and don't have to work for anything. so the handouts these trolls get from their parents are the computers they troll the net on. I would think if parents wanted the best for their children, they wouldn't let them near the net without supervision.
just my two cents...Troll!
Ps, I love my Hummer...I am buying another one http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 10:48 PM
Arnie has parental issues. Plus his mommy paints pictures of flowers.
PARAGON
12-16-2004, 10:48 PM
Arnie has parental issues. Plus his mommy paints pictures of flowers.
Humdinger
12-17-2004, 02:54 AM
Now now, I can understand wanting to bludgeon the dullard to death, but don't you think the asparagus ditty was a little over the top! Imagine the morgue! Why hate the worker bees? LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Truly, that was an uproarious avowel. My sides still hurt.
It just tastes so darn good going down, but run for the hills on the way out!
Humdinger
12-17-2004, 02:54 AM
Now now, I can understand wanting to bludgeon the dullard to death, but don't you think the asparagus ditty was a little over the top! Imagine the morgue! Why hate the worker bees? LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Truly, that was an uproarious avowel. My sides still hurt.
It just tastes so darn good going down, but run for the hills on the way out!
PARAGON
12-17-2004, 03:18 AM
Arnie,
You so want to jump in right now with one of your little witty quips, don't you.
PARAGON
12-17-2004, 03:18 AM
Arnie,
You so want to jump in right now with one of your little witty quips, don't you.
Hart 1
12-17-2004, 03:28 AM
I am a misunderstood gay athiestis introvert who watches B movies all of the time and pretend I have Jedi powers.
Arnie
Hart 1
12-17-2004, 03:28 AM
I am a misunderstood gay athiestis introvert who watches B movies all of the time and pretend I have Jedi powers.
Arnie
Hart 1
12-17-2004, 03:30 AM
Plus I have never met my grandparents.
Hart 1
12-17-2004, 03:30 AM
Plus I have never met my grandparents.
Hart 1
12-17-2004, 03:34 AM
My therapists tell me that I need to get out and see more people but I am scared that all they will see is my 340 pound acne covered blob of a body.
Hart 1
12-17-2004, 03:34 AM
My therapists tell me that I need to get out and see more people but I am scared that all they will see is my 340 pound acne covered blob of a body.
DRTYFN
12-17-2004, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court?
DRTYFN
12-17-2004, 05:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court?
Wheelin
12-17-2004, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
All public info.
Arnold McBain
33 Turner Court
Petaluma, California 94952
707-762-8513
Wheelin
12-17-2004, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
All public info.
Arnold McBain
33 Turner Court
Petaluma, California 94952
707-762-8513
Arnold McBain
12-17-2004, 06:13 AM
Seriously, is that the best you guys can do? Why waste your time with pointless ad hominem attacks that prove nothing but that you don't have a better argument? I think the worst unprovoked comment I made here is "don't flatter yourselves."
Sure, I can give as good as I get (better in most cases), but I'd rather save us all keystrokes and just ignore or only point out the pointless.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sideshow:
I fought for this country and will drive WHATEVER I damn well please. I have that right and NOBODY is going to take it from me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please make a bumper sticker of this for your Hummer. Actually, you don't have to since that's precisely what the Hummer says all on its own.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGT:
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep, Honda's can typically go 300,000 miles. Mine gets 30-35 mpg. Just got it smogged under the toughest standards in the country (California's), which certainly have been tougher than those for SUVs (I think they're finally toughening them from this year, though, finally). But you're right, I can do better and will, once this thing finally calls it quits and I'll buy a Prius or something (natch ;-)
As far as your ideas of foreign economies harming America and American jobs, you might want to look at the facts. America and especially the Japanese economies are so interdependent that we both bleed from the same cut. The last thing America wants is for Japan to start having to call in its loans (i.e,. bonds) to us. If you really want to get into this, post some evidence to the contrary and I'll go to the trouble of presenting mine.
Now, because of the threats voiced here, you can understand why I'd rather stay anonymous. I'm sure a lot of you could easily kick my ass; not sure how that would change any of the facts though.
But suffice to say, I'm well employed (just bought a pretty average house in the California Bay Area for $420,000), certainly pay my taxes. I've got a family and care about them as much as you do yours. Actually, preserving my kids' futures is the main impetus of most of my ranting.
That said, none of it really matters since I'm here to talk facts and don't need to know anymore about you than why you think it's OK to drive a Hummer. Some might try to pick my life apart, but it's pointless. It also doesn't matter since regardless of what we say about ourselves, we can be accused as liars. And I for one don't want to go to the trouble of proving who I am.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
Oh, don't even touch the military subject. You ask ANY soldier if they're fighting a gas war and they will tell you completely differently. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, here's one:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Breaking_ranks.htm
But about the war thing, I'm not going to get into that here since I've already taken it up on my own site.
I think I've responded to most of the rest the other comments here, so I'm going to skip a bit so I can go read to my kids.
Again, ad hominems I'm skipping. War stuff, go to my site to see why I believe it is about oil.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
more sense than a pickup that can carry 2 people and gets the same gas mileage as the SUVs you so love to hate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree. Lump the pickups in there too.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Oops, another thing that wasting liberals won't bother complaining about. What about those cars that burn fossil fuels for no other reason but to look good (seeing as how they can't be driven even close to their capabilities legally). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm with you there too, bro.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Find another cause, find God, and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You want to get into god, eh? OK, so first why wouldn't you consider my saying "Forget about god and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life" to be just as offensive as what you said to me? Or are you trying to push god as way to be offensive? Anyway, I'd be happy to get into you with it at my site. (But I won't wait up ;-)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sbmike:
what does it say about the collective intelligence (or more accurately the lack of intelligence) of folks on 145 pages of photos flipping off an inanimate object? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry, that's not my site.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's back to one of my main beliefs about the general culture of our country these days where folks seem to think: "If I don't agree with it, it's wrong"... end of story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not that I don't agree with it, it's that it's demonstrably wrong.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
What I want to know is, what exactly do you have going on in your life to cause this much hatred towards a total stranger based only on the car they drive? You don't know anything about us. You don't know anything about those H2 drivers on the FUH2 site. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Again, that's not my site. Where did I say I hated anyone? I'm probably equally as struck by the vitriol toward me. But I just take it as proof that I have a better point.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are people on here who may have donated what amounts to years for Habitat for Humanity. People who have raised 14 foster kids as their own. Others who have donated their time and their company's time to building schools and shelters. Others who have truly made a difference by helping others....yet you flip them off because of their choice of transportation? If that's how you measure a person's value and worth in life, by what they drive, then that's pretty sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So by doing good, we're excused to do bad?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think morals, integrity, and leaving a positive mark on the lives of others is a lot more important than the fact I drive a vehicle that gets 12 mpg. Which is 2 mpg BETTER than the old Chevy pickup I traded in, mind you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed, but since I'm not judging people, just a behavior, the rest of your life is irrelevant here.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I imagined or wished for the power of a Jedi
Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I've imagined myself as a Jedi as long as I can remember
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What in the world does this mean?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2Pilot:
I am now employed in a position that affords me information about the war in Iraq that disproves the conjecture of "blood for oil". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great, please share. Facts have changed my mind more that once. But I have a few of my own for you on my site.
http://www.hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I purchased my H2 with plenty of forethought as to its impact on my family, my budget, and the environment in which I live. I am married with three kids and live in the mountains of New Mexico. I purchased a used H2 because it was LESS EXPENSIVE than other new vehicles that gave the same performance and which I actually liked. It carries my entire family through the snow and mud and protects them from the people on the road who drive like idiots.
As far as the gas mileage goes, I really only drive about 5000 miles a year and I often ride my mountain bike to work. Over a 5 year period my H2 will burn roughly 2080 gallons (12 mpg) while other vehicles that would fit my situation would burn about 1660. Saving a little over 400 gallons of gas over 5 years. Big Deal.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I Forgot a couple of things. I used to drive a large pickup that got worse gas mileage but was able to haul stuff all over the country. We used to have a little Honda civic that got great gas mileage until some idiot in a little blazer ran a stop sign in front of my wife, son and step mother totalling the civic and nearly killing my family. I decided we will never drive something small again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Right, it's just too bad the huge increase of SUVs on the road makes everyone feel that way. It's an arms race that I resent being forced into. While I certainly never drive my kids in my Accord (no air bags), I do feel OK with them in my late model wife's German car. (25mpg :-)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
So, "Arnold" or would you prefer to be called Anthony? How's Petaluma? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, I get it, you whois'd my sites. Boy, I didn't see that coming...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Arnie has parental issues. Plus his mommy paints pictures of flowers.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please continue... I do enjoy these random mumblings. Kind of haiku-like.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You would think. LOL. Would some one else please clue him in?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Veiled threats are really childish fella's. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, then full of ****.
Arnold McBain
12-17-2004, 06:13 AM
Seriously, is that the best you guys can do? Why waste your time with pointless ad hominem attacks that prove nothing but that you don't have a better argument? I think the worst unprovoked comment I made here is "don't flatter yourselves."
Sure, I can give as good as I get (better in most cases), but I'd rather save us all keystrokes and just ignore or only point out the pointless.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sideshow:
I fought for this country and will drive WHATEVER I damn well please. I have that right and NOBODY is going to take it from me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please make a bumper sticker of this for your Hummer. Actually, you don't have to since that's precisely what the Hummer says all on its own.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGT:
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep, Honda's can typically go 300,000 miles. Mine gets 30-35 mpg. Just got it smogged under the toughest standards in the country (California's), which certainly have been tougher than those for SUVs (I think they're finally toughening them from this year, though, finally). But you're right, I can do better and will, once this thing finally calls it quits and I'll buy a Prius or something (natch ;-)
As far as your ideas of foreign economies harming America and American jobs, you might want to look at the facts. America and especially the Japanese economies are so interdependent that we both bleed from the same cut. The last thing America wants is for Japan to start having to call in its loans (i.e,. bonds) to us. If you really want to get into this, post some evidence to the contrary and I'll go to the trouble of presenting mine.
Now, because of the threats voiced here, you can understand why I'd rather stay anonymous. I'm sure a lot of you could easily kick my ass; not sure how that would change any of the facts though.
But suffice to say, I'm well employed (just bought a pretty average house in the California Bay Area for $420,000), certainly pay my taxes. I've got a family and care about them as much as you do yours. Actually, preserving my kids' futures is the main impetus of most of my ranting.
That said, none of it really matters since I'm here to talk facts and don't need to know anymore about you than why you think it's OK to drive a Hummer. Some might try to pick my life apart, but it's pointless. It also doesn't matter since regardless of what we say about ourselves, we can be accused as liars. And I for one don't want to go to the trouble of proving who I am.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
Oh, don't even touch the military subject. You ask ANY soldier if they're fighting a gas war and they will tell you completely differently. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, here's one:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Breaking_ranks.htm
But about the war thing, I'm not going to get into that here since I've already taken it up on my own site.
I think I've responded to most of the rest the other comments here, so I'm going to skip a bit so I can go read to my kids.
Again, ad hominems I'm skipping. War stuff, go to my site to see why I believe it is about oil.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
more sense than a pickup that can carry 2 people and gets the same gas mileage as the SUVs you so love to hate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree. Lump the pickups in there too.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Oops, another thing that wasting liberals won't bother complaining about. What about those cars that burn fossil fuels for no other reason but to look good (seeing as how they can't be driven even close to their capabilities legally). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm with you there too, bro.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Find another cause, find God, and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You want to get into god, eh? OK, so first why wouldn't you consider my saying "Forget about god and reconsider your complete bassackwards outlook on life" to be just as offensive as what you said to me? Or are you trying to push god as way to be offensive? Anyway, I'd be happy to get into you with it at my site. (But I won't wait up ;-)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sbmike:
what does it say about the collective intelligence (or more accurately the lack of intelligence) of folks on 145 pages of photos flipping off an inanimate object? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry, that's not my site.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's back to one of my main beliefs about the general culture of our country these days where folks seem to think: "If I don't agree with it, it's wrong"... end of story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's not that I don't agree with it, it's that it's demonstrably wrong.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
What I want to know is, what exactly do you have going on in your life to cause this much hatred towards a total stranger based only on the car they drive? You don't know anything about us. You don't know anything about those H2 drivers on the FUH2 site. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Again, that's not my site. Where did I say I hated anyone? I'm probably equally as struck by the vitriol toward me. But I just take it as proof that I have a better point.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are people on here who may have donated what amounts to years for Habitat for Humanity. People who have raised 14 foster kids as their own. Others who have donated their time and their company's time to building schools and shelters. Others who have truly made a difference by helping others....yet you flip them off because of their choice of transportation? If that's how you measure a person's value and worth in life, by what they drive, then that's pretty sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So by doing good, we're excused to do bad?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think morals, integrity, and leaving a positive mark on the lives of others is a lot more important than the fact I drive a vehicle that gets 12 mpg. Which is 2 mpg BETTER than the old Chevy pickup I traded in, mind you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed, but since I'm not judging people, just a behavior, the rest of your life is irrelevant here.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I imagined or wished for the power of a Jedi
Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
I've imagined myself as a Jedi as long as I can remember
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What in the world does this mean?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2Pilot:
I am now employed in a position that affords me information about the war in Iraq that disproves the conjecture of "blood for oil". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great, please share. Facts have changed my mind more that once. But I have a few of my own for you on my site.
http://www.hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I purchased my H2 with plenty of forethought as to its impact on my family, my budget, and the environment in which I live. I am married with three kids and live in the mountains of New Mexico. I purchased a used H2 because it was LESS EXPENSIVE than other new vehicles that gave the same performance and which I actually liked. It carries my entire family through the snow and mud and protects them from the people on the road who drive like idiots.
As far as the gas mileage goes, I really only drive about 5000 miles a year and I often ride my mountain bike to work. Over a 5 year period my H2 will burn roughly 2080 gallons (12 mpg) while other vehicles that would fit my situation would burn about 1660. Saving a little over 400 gallons of gas over 5 years. Big Deal.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I Forgot a couple of things. I used to drive a large pickup that got worse gas mileage but was able to haul stuff all over the country. We used to have a little Honda civic that got great gas mileage until some idiot in a little blazer ran a stop sign in front of my wife, son and step mother totalling the civic and nearly killing my family. I decided we will never drive something small again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Right, it's just too bad the huge increase of SUVs on the road makes everyone feel that way. It's an arms race that I resent being forced into. While I certainly never drive my kids in my Accord (no air bags), I do feel OK with them in my late model wife's German car. (25mpg :-)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
So, "Arnold" or would you prefer to be called Anthony? How's Petaluma? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh, I get it, you whois'd my sites. Boy, I didn't see that coming...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Arnie has parental issues. Plus his mommy paints pictures of flowers.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Please continue... I do enjoy these random mumblings. Kind of haiku-like.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold Mc Bain:
Plus I have never met my grandparents. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You would think. LOL. Would some one else please clue him in?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Veiled threats are really childish fella's. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, then full of ****.
Arnold McBain
12-17-2004, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yetti:
Well I read a little of Amy's rantings..Oh s'cuse Arni's rantings, but never the less they are the opinion of a society the encourages the sufferage of the well to do. the middle class is lead to believe they are the just deserved. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do you mean suffrage as in the right to vote? Or "suffering"? Well, my parents didn't give me a lot, but I did get a fair education. Sorry you missed out…
And why is this a class war thing? Did I ever bring that up? Seriously, you have an issue with the entire middle class? Do the rest of you hold this view?
Arnold McBain
12-17-2004, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yetti:
Well I read a little of Amy's rantings..Oh s'cuse Arni's rantings, but never the less they are the opinion of a society the encourages the sufferage of the well to do. the middle class is lead to believe they are the just deserved. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do you mean suffrage as in the right to vote? Or "suffering"? Well, my parents didn't give me a lot, but I did get a fair education. Sorry you missed out…
And why is this a class war thing? Did I ever bring that up? Seriously, you have an issue with the entire middle class? Do the rest of you hold this view?
Steve R
12-17-2004, 06:33 AM
Hi....I'm Troy McLure
You may remember me from such films as "who ****in' cares about this ****tard"....or "can this thread drag even longer"
Steve R
12-17-2004, 06:33 AM
Hi....I'm Troy McLure
You may remember me from such films as "who ****in' cares about this ****tard"....or "can this thread drag even longer"
DennisAJC
12-17-2004, 06:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Veiled threats are really childish fella's. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, then full of ****. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
DennisAJC
12-17-2004, 06:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Veiled threats are really childish fella's. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, then full of ****. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Arnold McBain
12-17-2004, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
Hi....I'm Troy McLure
You may remember me from such films as "who ****in' cares about this ****tard"....or "can this thread drag even longer" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nice...! I like that one :-)
Arnold McBain
12-17-2004, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
Hi....I'm Troy McLure
You may remember me from such films as "who ****in' cares about this ****tard"....or "can this thread drag even longer" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nice...! I like that one :-)
DennisAJC
12-17-2004, 06:48 AM
Simpsons was great. I think Family Guy is way funnier now though.
DennisAJC
12-17-2004, 06:48 AM
Simpsons was great. I think Family Guy is way funnier now though.
devilsfan
12-17-2004, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And exactly who are you to judge? So we should all send you our personal accounts of how we use our vehicles on a mile-by-mile basis in order to obtain your blessing? You have no idea who "needs" an SUV and who doesn't.
I am seriously interested in your knowledge of the current automotive market and how it fits the needs of consumers. Challenge: find me a vehicle that meets YOUR approval and the following criteria (and gets good gas mileage, according to your standards) and I will be happy to look into it - seriously:
1. Has room to carry 2 50-lb dogs and an infant on a regular basis. By "carrying" the dogs, they must be able to stretch out and lie down comfortably, and the rear space must NOT contain any gaps in the floor or between the 3rd row fold down seats (if applicable) such as in the Dodge Durango. This could seriously injure a dog. With an infant in the back seat, this means the 2nd row cannot be folded down and any space between the 2nd row seat and the back hatch must have enough room for the dogs to lay down AND stand to turn around if needed. This thereby excludes the BMW X3 and X5, Nissan Murano, and FX35/45 series.
2. Have GOOD off-road capabilities without me putting $$$ into it. I don't want to have to modify a vehicle with so many aftermarket parts that it will void my warranty. By "capabilities," this includes ground clearance, suspension parts, and undercarriage protection. This is a serious hobby for me, and I cannot afford to have 2 vehicles - one for fun and one for work. Whichever vehicle I buy must encompass both. This excludes 80% of the SUVs on the market, every minivan, and every station wagon.
3. Must be reliable. This includes data from R&T, Consumer Reports, and owner statements. This immediately excludes the VW Touareg, Chevy Trailblazer and Jeep Cherokee.
4. Costs $50,000 or less. This excludes the Toyota Landcruiser, Porsche Cayenne and Range Rover.
5. Must fit MY idea of beauty. I am a car collector - they are my form of art. There are many SUVs out there I find attractive. The Land Rover Discovery and LR3 are not on that list.
I'm serious here. Find me a car to replace my H2, because my H2 is the only vehicle that I've found to fit all the criteria.
Stacy
devilsfan
12-17-2004, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Fine, sounds like you need an SUV. Most people here in the 'burbs, don't, and certainly not a Hummer.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And exactly who are you to judge? So we should all send you our personal accounts of how we use our vehicles on a mile-by-mile basis in order to obtain your blessing? You have no idea who "needs" an SUV and who doesn't.
I am seriously interested in your knowledge of the current automotive market and how it fits the needs of consumers. Challenge: find me a vehicle that meets YOUR approval and the following criteria (and gets good gas mileage, according to your standards) and I will be happy to look into it - seriously:
1. Has room to carry 2 50-lb dogs and an infant on a regular basis. By "carrying" the dogs, they must be able to stretch out and lie down comfortably, and the rear space must NOT contain any gaps in the floor or between the 3rd row fold down seats (if applicable) such as in the Dodge Durango. This could seriously injure a dog. With an infant in the back seat, this means the 2nd row cannot be folded down and any space between the 2nd row seat and the back hatch must have enough room for the dogs to lay down AND stand to turn around if needed. This thereby excludes the BMW X3 and X5, Nissan Murano, and FX35/45 series.
2. Have GOOD off-road capabilities without me putting $$$ into it. I don't want to have to modify a vehicle with so many aftermarket parts that it will void my warranty. By "capabilities," this includes ground clearance, suspension parts, and undercarriage protection. This is a serious hobby for me, and I cannot afford to have 2 vehicles - one for fun and one for work. Whichever vehicle I buy must encompass both. This excludes 80% of the SUVs on the market, every minivan, and every station wagon.
3. Must be reliable. This includes data from R&T, Consumer Reports, and owner statements. This immediately excludes the VW Touareg, Chevy Trailblazer and Jeep Cherokee.
4. Costs $50,000 or less. This excludes the Toyota Landcruiser, Porsche Cayenne and Range Rover.
5. Must fit MY idea of beauty. I am a car collector - they are my form of art. There are many SUVs out there I find attractive. The Land Rover Discovery and LR3 are not on that list.
I'm serious here. Find me a car to replace my H2, because my H2 is the only vehicle that I've found to fit all the criteria.
Stacy
Spike
12-17-2004, 12:38 PM
originally posted by Arnold McBain,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Upper middle class, Ha that is a ****in riot. Do you have any idea how many papers you would have to deliver on your route to be pushed into the upper middle class? Your 88 honda **** box couldn't hold that many papers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Spike
12-17-2004, 12:38 PM
originally posted by Arnold McBain,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Upper middle class, Ha that is a ****in riot. Do you have any idea how many papers you would have to deliver on your route to be pushed into the upper middle class? Your 88 honda **** box couldn't hold that many papers. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Marcmedic
12-17-2004, 12:45 PM
Paper route??? Nah...he's makes deliveries to the sperm bank one mouthful at a time.
Marcmedic
12-17-2004, 12:45 PM
Paper route??? Nah...he's makes deliveries to the sperm bank one mouthful at a time.
PARAGON
12-17-2004, 01:36 PM
First, Arnie. To debate one must have validity. You don't, since you took great care to lie about yourself. Second, this vain attempt to get people to rush over and up the hits on your site is about as lame as the drivel you like to think of as your intelligent thoughts.
You made the point to come to this site full of H2 owners who discuss their varying ownership of the said vehicle only to stir things up. Then you want to pretend to be an active part of the citizenry by making up crap about being married, with kids blah blah blah.
Yeah, you have admitted that you wish you had the powers of the Jedi. Looks stupid when someone else puts it in print. You see, the thing is, when self-serving little children like you that try to pretend to be all grown uppy and want to take a position in life that they know will be controversial can't help but spread their words all over the internet. Just like you have done.
You even go so far as to expound on the comments made by others just so you can letter out what you think we all will think is intellectual bliss. I don't remember anyone on here saying that "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Then to further your ego up the scale, you want to feign supposed threats against you from this forum. You are just too smart for us, aren't you.
Then it's the biggest f***ing thing that sticks out. You got so caught up in all of your own bull**** that you said you now had "to go read to your kids." Just a stupid amatuer mistake or did you simply forget what time it was when you typed that?
If you really want to sprout your intellectual wings, why not pick a forum where someone that really gives a **** about the crank you call an opinion and go discuss your discourse there. Better yet, why don't you come up with something a little more original instead of riding on the idea coattails of the kooks that have come before you.
Even better, go talk with your freethinking brethren and talk about your heros of the past who were supposed freethinkers and discuss how there is no proof of a God, that you have the answers and that is that there are no answers.
You see, you give yourself away left and right. See my last post, I knew your were about to jump in and start typing away. Then you saw my post and decided to wait but just couldn't stand it. You are so full of yourself that you just had to get into it right away. And what was your first comment. Typical debate class bull****. "Is that the best you guys can do." "I can give as good as I get."
So, please, don't flatter yourself thinking that you are anymore than a ball of yarn being played with by a bunch of neurotic house cats OD'd on catnip.
PARAGON
12-17-2004, 01:36 PM
First, Arnie. To debate one must have validity. You don't, since you took great care to lie about yourself. Second, this vain attempt to get people to rush over and up the hits on your site is about as lame as the drivel you like to think of as your intelligent thoughts.
You made the point to come to this site full of H2 owners who discuss their varying ownership of the said vehicle only to stir things up. Then you want to pretend to be an active part of the citizenry by making up crap about being married, with kids blah blah blah.
Yeah, you have admitted that you wish you had the powers of the Jedi. Looks stupid when someone else puts it in print. You see, the thing is, when self-serving little children like you that try to pretend to be all grown uppy and want to take a position in life that they know will be controversial can't help but spread their words all over the internet. Just like you have done.
You even go so far as to expound on the comments made by others just so you can letter out what you think we all will think is intellectual bliss. I don't remember anyone on here saying that "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Then to further your ego up the scale, you want to feign supposed threats against you from this forum. You are just too smart for us, aren't you.
Then it's the biggest f***ing thing that sticks out. You got so caught up in all of your own bull**** that you said you now had "to go read to your kids." Just a stupid amatuer mistake or did you simply forget what time it was when you typed that?
If you really want to sprout your intellectual wings, why not pick a forum where someone that really gives a **** about the crank you call an opinion and go discuss your discourse there. Better yet, why don't you come up with something a little more original instead of riding on the idea coattails of the kooks that have come before you.
Even better, go talk with your freethinking brethren and talk about your heros of the past who were supposed freethinkers and discuss how there is no proof of a God, that you have the answers and that is that there are no answers.
You see, you give yourself away left and right. See my last post, I knew your were about to jump in and start typing away. Then you saw my post and decided to wait but just couldn't stand it. You are so full of yourself that you just had to get into it right away. And what was your first comment. Typical debate class bull****. "Is that the best you guys can do." "I can give as good as I get."
So, please, don't flatter yourself thinking that you are anymore than a ball of yarn being played with by a bunch of neurotic house cats OD'd on catnip.
devilsfan
12-17-2004, 03:59 PM
And you forget to mention that they don't stay on trails, they run over federally protected wilderness and small creatures on the endangered species list.
Stacy
devilsfan
12-17-2004, 03:59 PM
And you forget to mention that they don't stay on trails, they run over federally protected wilderness and small creatures on the endangered species list.
Stacy
LasVegas
12-17-2004, 11:52 PM
The prosparity of this country is based on individualizm, capitalizm, and the freedom to do anything you want or can do within the law. The right for me to own and drive a Hummer for any reason is the very same reason you have the opportunity to enjoy your "upper middle class" lifestyle, whatever that may be.
LasVegas
12-17-2004, 11:52 PM
The prosparity of this country is based on individualizm, capitalizm, and the freedom to do anything you want or can do within the law. The right for me to own and drive a Hummer for any reason is the very same reason you have the opportunity to enjoy your "upper middle class" lifestyle, whatever that may be.
HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ
12-18-2004, 12:39 AM
I have had one negative action. I was at a Jermaine Taylor boxing match in Little Rock last weekend so I attribute all the reactions from the adreniline flowing except it was a 17 or 18 year old girl. As i backed up to get in line to drive out Her feller ran up behind me and blocked Me at which she stuck her tongue out and gave me the bird salute.. I squared around and ran up beside warned them that if it had been a real redneck i would have just backed up and pushed you over on your top. She says I don't care those are just to much money for their to be hungry people, I replied Jesus said the poor we will have with us always and that those that do not work do not eat. I said well I started with nothing and I'm a God made man not doing without anything so there is a way to move up the ladder and this H2 cost would by 5 to 6 of yours. Again she said well I do not care. I replied well maybe you do not but my 2 daughters are very greatful that their dad gets them good cars and buy thier gas so and would not trade places with you for anything, now tell me you really think i'm stupid enough to believe you would not jump on that deal if your Dad could do it for You. She sticks her tongue out so i respond by rubbing it in, so i tell her well my girls get to pick what they drive and by the looks of yours your jellous and it does not become you. I took off runnning up beside of 5 cars to exit having to jump ditchs and very tall curbs where no onelse could go. I sat outside gate and when they came up she looked down sheepishly and said that is really neat. I told her when you get done with enjoyng being a kid which you should enjoy, you to can get serious about what you want and earn you one.
She says sorry where i replied thank You. She said it is a very pretty truck. I guess we have to let people know we are not going to back down for being able to put in the work time and effort to have H2's if that is what we choose to spend our money on.
Well Thank You for the use of The Soapbox.
Rick
HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ
12-18-2004, 12:39 AM
I have had one negative action. I was at a Jermaine Taylor boxing match in Little Rock last weekend so I attribute all the reactions from the adreniline flowing except it was a 17 or 18 year old girl. As i backed up to get in line to drive out Her feller ran up behind me and blocked Me at which she stuck her tongue out and gave me the bird salute.. I squared around and ran up beside warned them that if it had been a real redneck i would have just backed up and pushed you over on your top. She says I don't care those are just to much money for their to be hungry people, I replied Jesus said the poor we will have with us always and that those that do not work do not eat. I said well I started with nothing and I'm a God made man not doing without anything so there is a way to move up the ladder and this H2 cost would by 5 to 6 of yours. Again she said well I do not care. I replied well maybe you do not but my 2 daughters are very greatful that their dad gets them good cars and buy thier gas so and would not trade places with you for anything, now tell me you really think i'm stupid enough to believe you would not jump on that deal if your Dad could do it for You. She sticks her tongue out so i respond by rubbing it in, so i tell her well my girls get to pick what they drive and by the looks of yours your jellous and it does not become you. I took off runnning up beside of 5 cars to exit having to jump ditchs and very tall curbs where no onelse could go. I sat outside gate and when they came up she looked down sheepishly and said that is really neat. I told her when you get done with enjoyng being a kid which you should enjoy, you to can get serious about what you want and earn you one.
She says sorry where i replied thank You. She said it is a very pretty truck. I guess we have to let people know we are not going to back down for being able to put in the work time and effort to have H2's if that is what we choose to spend our money on.
Well Thank You for the use of The Soapbox.
Rick
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
I have had one negative action. I was at a Jermaine Taylor boxing match in Little Rock last weekend so I attribute all the reactions from the adreniline flowing except it was a 17 or 18 year old girl. As i backed up to get in line to drive out Her feller ran up behind me and blocked Me at which she stuck her tongue out and gave me the bird salute.. I squared around and ran up beside warned them that if it had been a real redneck i would have just backed up and pushed you over on your top. She says I don't care those are just to much money for their to be hungry people, I replied Jesus said the poor we will have with us always and that those that do not work do not eat. I said well I started with nothing and I'm a God made man not doing without anything so there is a way to move up the ladder and this H2 cost would by 5 to 6 of yours. Again she said well I do not care. I replied well maybe you do not but my 2 daughters are very greatful that their dad gets them good cars and buy thier gas so and would not trade places with you for anything, now tell me you really think i'm stupid enough to believe you would not jump on that deal if your Dad could do it for You. She sticks her tongue out so i respond by rubbing it in, so i tell her well my girls get to pick what they drive and by the looks of yours your jellous and it does not become you. I took off runnning up beside of 5 cars to exit having to jump ditchs and very tall curbs where no onelse could go. I sat outside gate and when they came up she looked down sheepishly and said that is really neat. I told her when you get done with enjoyng being a kid which you should enjoy, you to can get serious about what you want and earn you one.
She says sorry where i replied thank You. She said it is a very pretty truck. I guess we have to let people know we are not going to back down for being able to put in the work time and effort to have H2's if that is what we choose to spend our money on.
Well Thank You for the use of The Soapbox.
Rick <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
HARD CORE
I like that! Hat's off to you!
Next time, throw a Dollar out the window and tell her to go get something to eat.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RLTAZH2:
I have had one negative action. I was at a Jermaine Taylor boxing match in Little Rock last weekend so I attribute all the reactions from the adreniline flowing except it was a 17 or 18 year old girl. As i backed up to get in line to drive out Her feller ran up behind me and blocked Me at which she stuck her tongue out and gave me the bird salute.. I squared around and ran up beside warned them that if it had been a real redneck i would have just backed up and pushed you over on your top. She says I don't care those are just to much money for their to be hungry people, I replied Jesus said the poor we will have with us always and that those that do not work do not eat. I said well I started with nothing and I'm a God made man not doing without anything so there is a way to move up the ladder and this H2 cost would by 5 to 6 of yours. Again she said well I do not care. I replied well maybe you do not but my 2 daughters are very greatful that their dad gets them good cars and buy thier gas so and would not trade places with you for anything, now tell me you really think i'm stupid enough to believe you would not jump on that deal if your Dad could do it for You. She sticks her tongue out so i respond by rubbing it in, so i tell her well my girls get to pick what they drive and by the looks of yours your jellous and it does not become you. I took off runnning up beside of 5 cars to exit having to jump ditchs and very tall curbs where no onelse could go. I sat outside gate and when they came up she looked down sheepishly and said that is really neat. I told her when you get done with enjoyng being a kid which you should enjoy, you to can get serious about what you want and earn you one.
She says sorry where i replied thank You. She said it is a very pretty truck. I guess we have to let people know we are not going to back down for being able to put in the work time and effort to have H2's if that is what we choose to spend our money on.
Well Thank You for the use of The Soapbox.
Rick <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
HARD CORE
I like that! Hat's off to you!
Next time, throw a Dollar out the window and tell her to go get something to eat.
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 05:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now that is one cute pooch.
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 05:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now that is one cute pooch.
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
HUMMERDOGG
12-18-2004, 05:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Right, we should all mind our own business.
Still, this is the only defense I've heard (also from sfox above), that you guys just don't care about what people think and that you have the right to drive whatever you want. And I'll agree to both the points.
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers?
What is your answer other than "just shut the **** up you jealous moron"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
McBain-
You are correct in stating that the supply of oil and gasoline derived from fossil fuels is being depleted, however you really need to start reading the news and recognize that ethanol derived from corn and biodiesel and biogasoline derived from waste vegetable oil, animal and plant byproducts is making a huge push to replace them. So I wouldn't worry too much about replacing our depleting fossil fuels.
With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W...
HUMMERDOGG
12-18-2004, 05:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Right, we should all mind our own business.
Still, this is the only defense I've heard (also from sfox above), that you guys just don't care about what people think and that you have the right to drive whatever you want. And I'll agree to both the points.
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers?
What is your answer other than "just shut the **** up you jealous moron"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
McBain-
You are correct in stating that the supply of oil and gasoline derived from fossil fuels is being depleted, however you really need to start reading the news and recognize that ethanol derived from corn and biodiesel and biogasoline derived from waste vegetable oil, animal and plant byproducts is making a huge push to replace them. So I wouldn't worry too much about replacing our depleting fossil fuels.
With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W...
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 06:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
I am seriously interested in your knowledge of the current automotive market and how it fits the needs of consumers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, to cut to the chase, I don't know jack about SUVs. I couldn't tell a Durango from a Dingo.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Challenge: find me a vehicle that meets YOUR approval and the following criteria (and gets good gas mileage, according to your standards) and I will be happy to look into it - seriously: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You win that one, I guess. But my point is that when you add this criterion, the only way to make it work is to change priorites:
1. Is envronmentally friendly: Gets at least 25mpg, and has the same emission rating as current PCs (passenger cars).
Obviously right now there is no such vehicle. So if I were in your situation, I would have to adjust my priorites, and to me the envronmental concerns are higher. And in that case I would just be SOL and asking myself, "why did I get two humongous dogs without thinking about how to transport them?" But your priorities are apparently different.
Maybe, you would like a perfectly comfortable life for yourself first. I would like rather a better world for my and your kids, where they're free of dependence on foreign oil (and the wars over it), free to walk and bike and drive the streets safely without the constant threat of humungous vehicles all around them, and of course free to breath clean air.
I have a feeling you're really not as selfish as all that, but that you didn't factor in your other priorites when you chose your SUV.
But By taking steps like increasing average milage to 25-30 mpg, we could save close to the amount of oil we export from the Persian Gulf.
More info:
http://www.hybridcars.com/oil.html
The reason cars like this don't yet exist is because not enough people are demanding them. Instead, they buy the exact opposite and the car companies will make whatever will sell.
Fortunately, it looks like at least Hummer sales are dropping, a signal that people are catching on. Hybrid SUVs look good too...
Also, lest you think I'm being too harsh by suggesting you sacrifice keeping dogs, I wonder what some of you might think at seeing a wellfare mother of 7 asking for more "handouts".
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 06:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devilsfan:
I am seriously interested in your knowledge of the current automotive market and how it fits the needs of consumers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, to cut to the chase, I don't know jack about SUVs. I couldn't tell a Durango from a Dingo.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Challenge: find me a vehicle that meets YOUR approval and the following criteria (and gets good gas mileage, according to your standards) and I will be happy to look into it - seriously: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You win that one, I guess. But my point is that when you add this criterion, the only way to make it work is to change priorites:
1. Is envronmentally friendly: Gets at least 25mpg, and has the same emission rating as current PCs (passenger cars).
Obviously right now there is no such vehicle. So if I were in your situation, I would have to adjust my priorites, and to me the envronmental concerns are higher. And in that case I would just be SOL and asking myself, "why did I get two humongous dogs without thinking about how to transport them?" But your priorities are apparently different.
Maybe, you would like a perfectly comfortable life for yourself first. I would like rather a better world for my and your kids, where they're free of dependence on foreign oil (and the wars over it), free to walk and bike and drive the streets safely without the constant threat of humungous vehicles all around them, and of course free to breath clean air.
I have a feeling you're really not as selfish as all that, but that you didn't factor in your other priorites when you chose your SUV.
But By taking steps like increasing average milage to 25-30 mpg, we could save close to the amount of oil we export from the Persian Gulf.
More info:
http://www.hybridcars.com/oil.html
The reason cars like this don't yet exist is because not enough people are demanding them. Instead, they buy the exact opposite and the car companies will make whatever will sell.
Fortunately, it looks like at least Hummer sales are dropping, a signal that people are catching on. Hybrid SUVs look good too...
Also, lest you think I'm being too harsh by suggesting you sacrifice keeping dogs, I wonder what some of you might think at seeing a wellfare mother of 7 asking for more "handouts".
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HUMMERDOGG:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Right, we should all mind our own business.
Still, this is the only defense I've heard (also from sfox above), that you guys just don't care about what people think and that you have the right to drive whatever you want. And I'll agree to both the points.
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers?
What is your answer other than "just shut the **** up you jealous moron"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are correct in stating that the supply of oil and gasoline derived from fossil fuels is being depleted, however you really need to start reading the news and recognize that ethanol derived from corn and biodiesel and biogasoline derived from waste vegetable oil, animal and plant byproducts is making a huge push to replace them. So I wouldn't worry too much about replacing our depleting fossil fuels. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, good point. I'm well aware of the existance of alternative fuels, yet I wouldn't call it quite a "push". Considering that we're asking to convert on such a large scale, government research and funding is scant (and I wonder why?)
I think this is a really, really encouraging report, though, if you haven't seen it:
<A HREF="http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html" TARGET=_blank>www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html*
</A>
Nevertheless, even if we were able to convert completely, it'd still be wrong to waste.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, you're right. Unfortunately with the lies and maneuvering dubya's done over the war, no one can ever be sure why the hell we went. The facts to me, however, point to oil and the oil economy. There are a few good links at my site, if you're willing:
post 64 at http://hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HUMMERDOGG:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Right, we should all mind our own business.
Still, this is the only defense I've heard (also from sfox above), that you guys just don't care about what people think and that you have the right to drive whatever you want. And I'll agree to both the points.
But tell me why Hummers, and other city-driven SUVs aren't wasteful of limited resources, namely the fossil fuel over which we're fighting a war and losing soldiers?
What is your answer other than "just shut the **** up you jealous moron"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You are correct in stating that the supply of oil and gasoline derived from fossil fuels is being depleted, however you really need to start reading the news and recognize that ethanol derived from corn and biodiesel and biogasoline derived from waste vegetable oil, animal and plant byproducts is making a huge push to replace them. So I wouldn't worry too much about replacing our depleting fossil fuels. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, good point. I'm well aware of the existance of alternative fuels, yet I wouldn't call it quite a "push". Considering that we're asking to convert on such a large scale, government research and funding is scant (and I wonder why?)
I think this is a really, really encouraging report, though, if you haven't seen it:
<A HREF="http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html" TARGET=_blank>www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html*
</A>
Nevertheless, even if we were able to convert completely, it'd still be wrong to waste.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, you're right. Unfortunately with the lies and maneuvering dubya's done over the war, no one can ever be sure why the hell we went. The facts to me, however, point to oil and the oil economy. There are a few good links at my site, if you're willing:
post 64 at http://hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
I have a site for you to troll http://www.pirate4x4.com they love libbies like you, they often get worse gas mileage than us and they like to run over innocent bunnies withtheir 40 inch tires, you should really pay them a visit (btw, there are way more of them and they don't even get emmisions tests done on their trail rigs).
S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh man, sounds scary. What, do they use like ALL CAPS over there...?
Arnold McBain
12-18-2004, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
I have a site for you to troll http://www.pirate4x4.com they love libbies like you, they often get worse gas mileage than us and they like to run over innocent bunnies withtheir 40 inch tires, you should really pay them a visit (btw, there are way more of them and they don't even get emmisions tests done on their trail rigs).
S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh man, sounds scary. What, do they use like ALL CAPS over there...?
Humdinger
12-18-2004, 12:22 PM
From what I acquired on Arnold, he feels he is doing society some justice by admonishing those of us who drive the H2. What he does not understand is that, he is in the minority. Not just on this site, but in life. Society is the evil doer, and he is the prophecy. Well Arnold, you are lacking the wherewithal to understand the art of persuation. Thus, making you a hypocrite. If you truly wanted a change in society, your tactics would not be that of slander, but those of salvation. Please enlighten me as to how you would change society? I feel you should read the book 1984.
Humdinger
12-18-2004, 12:22 PM
From what I acquired on Arnold, he feels he is doing society some justice by admonishing those of us who drive the H2. What he does not understand is that, he is in the minority. Not just on this site, but in life. Society is the evil doer, and he is the prophecy. Well Arnold, you are lacking the wherewithal to understand the art of persuation. Thus, making you a hypocrite. If you truly wanted a change in society, your tactics would not be that of slander, but those of salvation. Please enlighten me as to how you would change society? I feel you should read the book 1984.
Arnie, you right. How could I have been so blind! I will sell my H2 today. But I'm going to have to keep my 35' offshore power boat.
BTW, It has twin 502 big blocks and burns a hell of a lot more gas than the H2 ever could.
Hey, there's an idea, why don't you go bother the people over at www.Offshoreonly.com (http://www.Offshoreonly.com). Lot's of fossil fuel being wasted over there.
Thanks for showing me the way. (Moron)
Arnie, you right. How could I have been so blind! I will sell my H2 today. But I'm going to have to keep my 35' offshore power boat.
BTW, It has twin 502 big blocks and burns a hell of a lot more gas than the H2 ever could.
Hey, there's an idea, why don't you go bother the people over at www.Offshoreonly.com (http://www.Offshoreonly.com). Lot's of fossil fuel being wasted over there.
Thanks for showing me the way. (Moron)
Arnold McBain
12-19-2004, 05:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
First, Arnie. To debate one must have validity. You don't, since you took great care to lie about yourself. Second, this vain attempt to get people to rush over and up the hits on your site is about as lame as the drivel you like to think of as your intelligent thoughts.
You made the point to come to this site full of H2 owners who discuss their varying ownership of the said vehicle only to stir things up. Then you want to pretend to be an active part of the citizenry by making up crap about being married, with kids blah blah blah.
Yeah, you have admitted that you wish you had the powers of the Jedi. Looks stupid when someone else puts it in print. You see, the thing is, when self-serving little children like you that try to pretend to be all grown uppy and want to take a position in life that they know will be controversial can't help but spread their words all over the internet. Just like you have done.
You even go so far as to expound on the comments made by others just so you can letter out what you think we all will think is intellectual bliss. I don't remember anyone on here saying that "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You must have missed this:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGT:
posted 12-16-04 05:38 AM
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Then to further your ego up the scale, you want to feign supposed threats against you from this forum. You are just too smart for us, aren't you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not sure how that would "further my ego", but anyway do tell why these wouldn't qualify as "veiled" threats?
First, this rib bustin' classic by DRTYFN (hey, that name could get some hot action in SF.)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
the only way to get an idea into your head is with actual blunt force trauma. And while that is an appealing idea the possible consequences far outweigh any pleasure I might derive from bludgeoning you. Oh yeah, and pissing all over you... after I've eaten a couple pounds of asparagus. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then his less subtle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Then it's the biggest f***ing thing that sticks out. You got so caught up in all of your own bull**** that you said you now had "to go read to your kids." Just a stupid amatuer mistake or did you simply forget what time it was when you typed that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now I'm a little worried about you, Paragon, and I offered to keep this private to spare your feelings, but this all so damn hilarious I just can't help myself.
First, like a stalker, you waited for me to show up on the site and then posted that "I just couldn't wait to answer the thread", suggesting that I have obsessive tendencies, when it was an obvious projection of your own state of mind, and just a little bit freaky...
Next, as I figured out in 5 seconds by googling that Jedi quote, you found on some other bulletin board a posting by a "McBain" (here (http://planetcrap.com/topics/894/356/)), and somehow became convinced that that was me. Then you posted all those great haikus of yours from what that guy said.
Just to clue you in, "McBain" is the name of a character in the Simpsons (http://users.bigpond.net.au/simpsons/mcbain.jpg), and there could be hundreds of people going by that name on the Internet. Now this is the scary part: it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits (and hours of time?) to come up with that one page. Suffice to say, that dude ain't me. That you're so convinced (and still are, I'm sure) that it is me with such lack of evidence, demonstrates so obviously your state of mind.
But, thanks to your great idea, I now know a bit more about you. It only took another 10 seconds to google "paragon redneck" and bingo! Hit 6:
Rotten Tomatoes Forums - Guys Only Thread! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=333388&page=5)
Orlando Bloom fan, eh? Man, my wife is so into that guy too...
I was truly amazed, however, by your brain-twisting deduction that I'm a fraud. Now, did you ever think about what time it might have been when I typed that about my kids? Likely different than when I posted it, since it was a rather long posting. I admit, you could have a valid point somewhere in there, but to deduce from that evidence alone that I'm a fraud is delusional. Please realize too, that there are families like mine all over the country different from yours, where kids sometimes go to bed after 7:30 or 8, sometimes even later! That you might not have even considered this is still more evidence of your own obsessive tunnel-mindedness.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Even better, go talk with your freethinking brethren and talk about your heros of the past who were supposed freethinkers and discuss how there is no proof of a God, that you have the answers and that is that there are no answers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You want to get into this? Start a thread in the off topic forum, and I'm there. Or in private even. Just remember you were first here with an offensive remark regarding belief/nonbelief.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, please, don't flatter yourself thinking that you are anymore than a ball of yarn being played with by a bunch of neurotic house cats OD'd on catnip. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-)
Arnold McBain
12-19-2004, 05:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
First, Arnie. To debate one must have validity. You don't, since you took great care to lie about yourself. Second, this vain attempt to get people to rush over and up the hits on your site is about as lame as the drivel you like to think of as your intelligent thoughts.
You made the point to come to this site full of H2 owners who discuss their varying ownership of the said vehicle only to stir things up. Then you want to pretend to be an active part of the citizenry by making up crap about being married, with kids blah blah blah.
Yeah, you have admitted that you wish you had the powers of the Jedi. Looks stupid when someone else puts it in print. You see, the thing is, when self-serving little children like you that try to pretend to be all grown uppy and want to take a position in life that they know will be controversial can't help but spread their words all over the internet. Just like you have done.
You even go so far as to expound on the comments made by others just so you can letter out what you think we all will think is intellectual bliss. I don't remember anyone on here saying that "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You must have missed this:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BIGT:
posted 12-16-04 05:38 AM
A 1988 Honda? Not even an American car. A Jap piece of ****? And an old one at that! What kind of commie are you? That import dumps out more toxins’s than new H2 does. Why not by a Saturn or something more eco-acceptable? Now why don't you tell me what you do for our wonderful world and how many people you employ and provide a living for? Or should I assume that our country provides for your feeble existence? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Then to further your ego up the scale, you want to feign supposed threats against you from this forum. You are just too smart for us, aren't you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not sure how that would "further my ego", but anyway do tell why these wouldn't qualify as "veiled" threats?
First, this rib bustin' classic by DRTYFN (hey, that name could get some hot action in SF.)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
the only way to get an idea into your head is with actual blunt force trauma. And while that is an appealing idea the possible consequences far outweigh any pleasure I might derive from bludgeoning you. Oh yeah, and pissing all over you... after I've eaten a couple pounds of asparagus. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then his less subtle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Then it's the biggest f***ing thing that sticks out. You got so caught up in all of your own bull**** that you said you now had "to go read to your kids." Just a stupid amatuer mistake or did you simply forget what time it was when you typed that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now I'm a little worried about you, Paragon, and I offered to keep this private to spare your feelings, but this all so damn hilarious I just can't help myself.
First, like a stalker, you waited for me to show up on the site and then posted that "I just couldn't wait to answer the thread", suggesting that I have obsessive tendencies, when it was an obvious projection of your own state of mind, and just a little bit freaky...
Next, as I figured out in 5 seconds by googling that Jedi quote, you found on some other bulletin board a posting by a "McBain" (here (http://planetcrap.com/topics/894/356/)), and somehow became convinced that that was me. Then you posted all those great haikus of yours from what that guy said.
Just to clue you in, "McBain" is the name of a character in the Simpsons (http://users.bigpond.net.au/simpsons/mcbain.jpg), and there could be hundreds of people going by that name on the Internet. Now this is the scary part: it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits (and hours of time?) to come up with that one page. Suffice to say, that dude ain't me. That you're so convinced (and still are, I'm sure) that it is me with such lack of evidence, demonstrates so obviously your state of mind.
But, thanks to your great idea, I now know a bit more about you. It only took another 10 seconds to google "paragon redneck" and bingo! Hit 6:
Rotten Tomatoes Forums - Guys Only Thread! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/showthread.php?t=333388&page=5)
Orlando Bloom fan, eh? Man, my wife is so into that guy too...
I was truly amazed, however, by your brain-twisting deduction that I'm a fraud. Now, did you ever think about what time it might have been when I typed that about my kids? Likely different than when I posted it, since it was a rather long posting. I admit, you could have a valid point somewhere in there, but to deduce from that evidence alone that I'm a fraud is delusional. Please realize too, that there are families like mine all over the country different from yours, where kids sometimes go to bed after 7:30 or 8, sometimes even later! That you might not have even considered this is still more evidence of your own obsessive tunnel-mindedness.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Even better, go talk with your freethinking brethren and talk about your heros of the past who were supposed freethinkers and discuss how there is no proof of a God, that you have the answers and that is that there are no answers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You want to get into this? Start a thread in the off topic forum, and I'm there. Or in private even. Just remember you were first here with an offensive remark regarding belief/nonbelief.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, please, don't flatter yourself thinking that you are anymore than a ball of yarn being played with by a bunch of neurotic house cats OD'd on catnip. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-)
DennisAJC
12-19-2004, 06:24 AM
LOL!!!! This ****s gonna go on and on!
DennisAJC
12-19-2004, 06:24 AM
LOL!!!! This ****s gonna go on and on!
PARAGON
12-19-2004, 12:57 PM
Arnie,
Please excuse me for giving you more credit than what you are worth. Damn, you had to copy and paste your PM comment to me and couldn't come up with an original post.
Point out again exactly how the comment "not even an American car" equates to "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Just stupid, plain stupid.
As far as your ego, you are not sure of anything, I'll grant you that. But you want to project some idea that anyone cares enough about your miniscule existence that they would actually make a threat. Again your wonderful power of extrapolation has molded a very simple comment into one being about you. I realize information, especially confirmed logical information, would be a threat to you, but remember you are speaking to a community of people and must use their mores if you want to be understood. Someone saying they would like to piss on you after bludgeoning an idea into your head really doesn't constitue a threat, veiled or otherwise, except in your own narcissistic world.
I "waited for you to show up on the site," riiigght. More of your obsessive narcissism at work. How in the hell would I know you were going to show, no, no.....let me think.....just like every other neurotic psycho, you have a pattern. Yours is just much more distinct than others. It's this pattern that gives you away and you can't do **** about it because you have flung it all over the internet.
Also, please understand how the human being works, one of which you barely seem to be. They overcompensate when trying to hide something. Otherwise they do not try to go into great detail to overexplain something that is true. It's only when they are caught in lies and half-truths do they resort to the stupidity of typing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain away their actions.
So, it took you 5 seconds to google the Jedi quote, but you turn around and, again narcissistically reply, that I must be obsessed with your almightiness by right after replying "it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits." Cool, you are such the hardcore internet guru that it took you 5 seconds to find your quote (by the way that is not the only place you made the jedi comment) but I had to search through pages and pages to find the same thing. Hmmm!
As far as your minority, freethinking, bassackward, dumbass thoughts. No, my tinkerbell of a friend, you just had to come out in one of your first posts that you are an athiest. So, I didn't start it, nanna nanna boo boo. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Start a thread in the off topic? Are you so cement-headed that you don't realize no one here cares about your thoughts and/or comments. You are the one posting in a Hummer owners' forum. How absolutely blind are you going to continue to be.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>from blunderhead's private offer:
I'll agree not to post this email to the list, if you agree to just chill out a bit. Maybe even admit that you were mistaken. That way, we'll both feel a little better. On the other hand, it's fine with me to if you would rather not, since you would then be giving me the OK to have fun with you guilt-free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is the previous post you having fun. You talked more about you than you did me. Be careful of the games you play, it's not just your stupid website that is being watched. This is not a threat, it's an honest warning. Anonymity on the internet is a farce. So stay around, play some more and things will just get funnier and funnier. Only idiots run around posting in forums that they have no business being apart of.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Posted by the dumbass:
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is that a threat! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
PARAGON
12-19-2004, 12:57 PM
Arnie,
Please excuse me for giving you more credit than what you are worth. Damn, you had to copy and paste your PM comment to me and couldn't come up with an original post.
Point out again exactly how the comment "not even an American car" equates to "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Just stupid, plain stupid.
As far as your ego, you are not sure of anything, I'll grant you that. But you want to project some idea that anyone cares enough about your miniscule existence that they would actually make a threat. Again your wonderful power of extrapolation has molded a very simple comment into one being about you. I realize information, especially confirmed logical information, would be a threat to you, but remember you are speaking to a community of people and must use their mores if you want to be understood. Someone saying they would like to piss on you after bludgeoning an idea into your head really doesn't constitue a threat, veiled or otherwise, except in your own narcissistic world.
I "waited for you to show up on the site," riiigght. More of your obsessive narcissism at work. How in the hell would I know you were going to show, no, no.....let me think.....just like every other neurotic psycho, you have a pattern. Yours is just much more distinct than others. It's this pattern that gives you away and you can't do **** about it because you have flung it all over the internet.
Also, please understand how the human being works, one of which you barely seem to be. They overcompensate when trying to hide something. Otherwise they do not try to go into great detail to overexplain something that is true. It's only when they are caught in lies and half-truths do they resort to the stupidity of typing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain away their actions.
So, it took you 5 seconds to google the Jedi quote, but you turn around and, again narcissistically reply, that I must be obsessed with your almightiness by right after replying "it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits." Cool, you are such the hardcore internet guru that it took you 5 seconds to find your quote (by the way that is not the only place you made the jedi comment) but I had to search through pages and pages to find the same thing. Hmmm!
As far as your minority, freethinking, bassackward, dumbass thoughts. No, my tinkerbell of a friend, you just had to come out in one of your first posts that you are an athiest. So, I didn't start it, nanna nanna boo boo. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Start a thread in the off topic? Are you so cement-headed that you don't realize no one here cares about your thoughts and/or comments. You are the one posting in a Hummer owners' forum. How absolutely blind are you going to continue to be.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>from blunderhead's private offer:
I'll agree not to post this email to the list, if you agree to just chill out a bit. Maybe even admit that you were mistaken. That way, we'll both feel a little better. On the other hand, it's fine with me to if you would rather not, since you would then be giving me the OK to have fun with you guilt-free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is the previous post you having fun. You talked more about you than you did me. Be careful of the games you play, it's not just your stupid website that is being watched. This is not a threat, it's an honest warning. Anonymity on the internet is a farce. So stay around, play some more and things will just get funnier and funnier. Only idiots run around posting in forums that they have no business being apart of.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Posted by the dumbass:
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is that a threat! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
DRTYFN
12-19-2004, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Not sure how that would "further my ego", but anyway do tell why these wouldn't qualify as "veiled" threats?
First, this rib bustin' classic by DRTYFN (hey, that name could get some hot action in SF.)
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the only way to get an idea into your head is with actual blunt force trauma. And while that is an appealing idea the possible consequences far outweigh any pleasure I might derive from bludgeoning you. Oh yeah, and pissing all over you... after I've eaten a couple pounds of asparagus. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then his less subtle:
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It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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You WISH someone would make some threats towards you so you could call the police and tattle. That would make you feel so much better about your pathetic existence.
Sorry we didn't catch the obscure reference to the Simpsons, If you would have chosen Crusty it might have been a little more obvious.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I did drop a couple of not so subtle hints that your real identity is known. Not that it matters. Looking you up rates right up there with looking in the toilet to see if there's any corn or peanuts in my dump- mildly entertaining, but I'm still just going to flush it away. You on the other hand, would probably indulge in your feces fetish and have a bite. But, you are the sick pud, anyway.
Anthony, I've noticed that you usually post late at night. Just getting off the swing shift at the 7/11? That would explain the '88 Honda and the poor attitude towards folks that have more than you do.
DRTYFN
12-19-2004, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Not sure how that would "further my ego", but anyway do tell why these wouldn't qualify as "veiled" threats?
First, this rib bustin' classic by DRTYFN (hey, that name could get some hot action in SF.)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
the only way to get an idea into your head is with actual blunt force trauma. And while that is an appealing idea the possible consequences far outweigh any pleasure I might derive from bludgeoning you. Oh yeah, and pissing all over you... after I've eaten a couple pounds of asparagus. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then his less subtle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
It shouldn't be too tough to track down someone with the last name of McBain/Stubtoe.
Would you like some help? Should we send the info to you on Turner Court? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You WISH someone would make some threats towards you so you could call the police and tattle. That would make you feel so much better about your pathetic existence.
Sorry we didn't catch the obscure reference to the Simpsons, If you would have chosen Crusty it might have been a little more obvious.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I did drop a couple of not so subtle hints that your real identity is known. Not that it matters. Looking you up rates right up there with looking in the toilet to see if there's any corn or peanuts in my dump- mildly entertaining, but I'm still just going to flush it away. You on the other hand, would probably indulge in your feces fetish and have a bite. But, you are the sick pud, anyway.
Anthony, I've noticed that you usually post late at night. Just getting off the swing shift at the 7/11? That would explain the '88 Honda and the poor attitude towards folks that have more than you do.
HUMMERDOGG
12-20-2004, 02:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Yes, good point. I'm well aware of the existance of alternative fuels, yet I wouldn't call it quite a "push". Considering that we're asking to convert on such a large scale, government research and funding is scant (and I wonder why?) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would beg to differ regarding the "push" and government "funding". Please refer to the article below which elaborates upon the tax incentive credit that W just signed into law for biodiesel.
http://www.biodiesel.org/news/taxincentive/
This is a hell of a move in the right direction. What it'll mean is increased prices paid for soybean and rapeseed oil which will help support American farmers. It'll also increase yellow grease use for biodiesel. This will hopefully keep yellow grease from ending up in our dumps. It also encourages biodiesel production buildout which will hopefully help bring down the costs and make it more appealing for the masses.
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Nevertheless, even if we were able to convert completely, it'd still be wrong to waste. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I really disagree with that statement since it is directed towards us H2 owners. Hell, I drive mine a total of 20 miles a day when I'm not taking it up to the ranch on the weekends. What's truly funny is that my H2 gets better gas mileage than my wife's Infinity QX4 did. I'm suprise you haven't gone after Nissan for importing fuel inefficient suv's into the US. At least American workers are getting paid to build the H2. You ever seen the gas mileage numbers for a Ford Excursion/Superduty with the V10? That's the owners you should be attacking there.
Anyways, I really think you shold re-gear your attack though. You should really start looking in the direction of our mass transit systems, recreational boating, commercial shipping, military, etc... Why should the american people who drive H2's be the one's under attack from you? We would all be better off if UPS, FEDEX, DHL, AMTRAK, CTX, Burlington Northern, American Airlines, Continental, etc..... would all switch to alternative fuels. I don't understand why people like you don't wage your war against publicy traded companies who are "wasteful".
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W...
Yes, you're right. Unfortunately with the lies and maneuvering dubya's done over the war, no one can ever be sure why the hell we went. The facts to me, however, point to oil and the oil economy. There are a few good links at my site, if you're willing:
post 64 at http://hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would rather not visit your site but do appreciate you making an effort to be heard. Hell, it's what America was founded upon. I am just disappointed that you choose to attack H2 owners when there are so many others out there who are better candidates.
HUMMERDOGG
12-20-2004, 02:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Yes, good point. I'm well aware of the existance of alternative fuels, yet I wouldn't call it quite a "push". Considering that we're asking to convert on such a large scale, government research and funding is scant (and I wonder why?) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would beg to differ regarding the "push" and government "funding". Please refer to the article below which elaborates upon the tax incentive credit that W just signed into law for biodiesel.
http://www.biodiesel.org/news/taxincentive/
This is a hell of a move in the right direction. What it'll mean is increased prices paid for soybean and rapeseed oil which will help support American farmers. It'll also increase yellow grease use for biodiesel. This will hopefully keep yellow grease from ending up in our dumps. It also encourages biodiesel production buildout which will hopefully help bring down the costs and make it more appealing for the masses.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Nevertheless, even if we were able to convert completely, it'd still be wrong to waste. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I really disagree with that statement since it is directed towards us H2 owners. Hell, I drive mine a total of 20 miles a day when I'm not taking it up to the ranch on the weekends. What's truly funny is that my H2 gets better gas mileage than my wife's Infinity QX4 did. I'm suprise you haven't gone after Nissan for importing fuel inefficient suv's into the US. At least American workers are getting paid to build the H2. You ever seen the gas mileage numbers for a Ford Excursion/Superduty with the V10? That's the owners you should be attacking there.
Anyways, I really think you shold re-gear your attack though. You should really start looking in the direction of our mass transit systems, recreational boating, commercial shipping, military, etc... Why should the american people who drive H2's be the one's under attack from you? We would all be better off if UPS, FEDEX, DHL, AMTRAK, CTX, Burlington Northern, American Airlines, Continental, etc..... would all switch to alternative fuels. I don't understand why people like you don't wage your war against publicy traded companies who are "wasteful".
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
With regards to our troops dying over Iraqi oil. You would have to believe that we went to war over oil as opposed to trying to remove a dictator and liberate a country. That's actually your opinion and you would have to take that up with W...
Yes, you're right. Unfortunately with the lies and maneuvering dubya's done over the war, no one can ever be sure why the hell we went. The facts to me, however, point to oil and the oil economy. There are a few good links at my site, if you're willing:
post 64 at http://hummerssuck.com/gb/guestbook.php <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would rather not visit your site but do appreciate you making an effort to be heard. Hell, it's what America was founded upon. I am just disappointed that you choose to attack H2 owners when there are so many others out there who are better candidates.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 03:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HUMMERDOGG:
What's truly funny is that my H2 gets better gas mileage than my wife's Infinity QX4 did. I'm suprise you haven't gone after Nissan for importing fuel inefficient suv's into the US.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
B I N G O!!!!(was his name-o)
The reason the wackos and malcontents don't go after any of the other rigs is because it would take brain power(and we know they're seriously deficient in that area) to actually do the research to find out how many vehicles suck down gas faster than the H2. And there's plenty of them out there. But the real reason, and it's something I've been saying since they started this crap, is that the H2 is the most easily recognizable vehicle on the road. Why would they want to actually get their facts straight and present a valid argument when all they have to do is run on misguided emotion and disinformation? ****, the Kerry/Edwards campaign did it- why can't they?
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 03:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HUMMERDOGG:
What's truly funny is that my H2 gets better gas mileage than my wife's Infinity QX4 did. I'm suprise you haven't gone after Nissan for importing fuel inefficient suv's into the US.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
B I N G O!!!!(was his name-o)
The reason the wackos and malcontents don't go after any of the other rigs is because it would take brain power(and we know they're seriously deficient in that area) to actually do the research to find out how many vehicles suck down gas faster than the H2. And there's plenty of them out there. But the real reason, and it's something I've been saying since they started this crap, is that the H2 is the most easily recognizable vehicle on the road. Why would they want to actually get their facts straight and present a valid argument when all they have to do is run on misguided emotion and disinformation? ****, the Kerry/Edwards campaign did it- why can't they?
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 03:33 AM
OK, paragon, now you've pissed me off. I'm all for heated discussion, amusing but pointless name-calling, even well crafted though erred suppositions of fact. But it's your plain and unapologetic ignorance that really gets my goat, (you might know a bit about 'gettin' some goat', eh? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). I mean, you think you're making an argument, but everything you write is basically insult, followed by unsupported denial.
Now I admit I'm not the smartest guy I know, not by a longshot, but I do know that people without real argument will only return insults, demands to leave, and physical threats (genuine or not) as support for their claims, and you have demonstrated this perfectly.
Now, since I've supported all of my positions with fact and logic, I believe I've earned the right to insult you as I please. (Well, maybe not...but I'm going to it do anyway since this would be really boring otherwise :-)
So let's see how many ways I can call you a bonehead...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>PARAGON
posted 12-19-04 06:57 AM
Arnie,
Please excuse me for giving you more credit than what you are worth. Damn, you had to copy and paste your PM comment to me and couldn't come up with an original post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, I'm unoriginal. Ouch...
(Friggin' lamebrain)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Point out again exactly how the comment "not even an American car" equates to "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Just stupid, plain stupid. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The implication is obvious; you can't possibly be that thick-skulled not to see it. But maybe you can get BIGT to tell us why he'd have no problems if we all bought foreign cars.
Just idiotic, plain idiotic.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As far as your ego, you are not sure of anything, I'll grant you that. But you want to project some idea that anyone cares enough about your miniscule existence that they would actually make a threat. Again your wonderful power of extrapolation has molded a very simple comment into one being about you. I realize information, especially confirmed logical information, would be a threat to you, but remember you are speaking to a community of people and must use their mores if you want to be understood. Someone saying they would like to piss on you after bludgeoning an idea into your head really doesn't constitue a threat, veiled or otherwise, except in your own narcissistic world. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Paragon, you ignoramus, this is just insult and bare denial. Can you explain why you've chosen to ignore the English definitions of "veiled" and "threat"? Don't worry, I'll spell out still one more thing for you below...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I "waited for you to show up on the site," riiigght. More of your obsessive narcissism at work. How in the hell would I know you were going to show, no, no.....let me think.....just like every other neurotic psycho, you have a pattern. Yours is just much more distinct than others. It's this pattern that gives you away and you can't do **** about it because you have flung it all over the internet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Damn, now you're making my points for me. Fine, if you weren't looking at the "Online Now" list, then you brilliantly figured out that I post only at night. Man, what a raving ****ing loony I am. You could point me to more evidence "all over the internet" that even comes close to proving anything, but you can't. I can be 100% certain of that because there isn't any. You're a delusional dimwit.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, please understand how the human being works, one of which you barely seem to be. They overcompensate when trying to hide something. Otherwise they do not try to go into great detail to overexplain something that is true. It's only when they are caught in lies and half-truths do they resort to the stupidity of typing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain away their actions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the explanation, but I already knew this about you.
But still, you slack-jawed dullard, prove to us somehow that I've even once written "lies and half-truths" here. You made the accusation; the onus is on you to prove it. BTW, you missed the part where "the human being" tends to "over explain" when they know the audience is too excruciatingly obtuse to grasp simpler explanations.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, it took you 5 seconds to google the Jedi quote, but you turn around and, again narcissistically reply, that I must be obsessed with your almightiness by right after replying "it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits." Cool, you are such the hardcore internet guru that it took you 5 seconds to find your quote (by the way that is not the only place you made the jedi comment) but I had to search through pages and pages to find the same thing. Hmmm! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, you imbecile. I entered the quote in quotes, and came up with exactly one hit. Took literally 5 seconds. Sorry you think it requires guru status to be able to do that, but I guess that's how it appears to a dip****.
Sorry I missed the other hits, since spending more than 5 seconds on this nonsense takes time away from my pagan sex rituals. But if I had actually made those quotes, you would think I would have known where they are.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As far as your minority, freethinking, bassackward, dumbass thoughts. No, my tinkerbell of a friend, you just had to come out in one of your first posts that you are an athiest. So, I didn't start it, nanna nanna boo boo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WTF? Oh, I get it, you're a bigot and a ****-for-brains; the fact that I merely said I'm an atheist is offensive to you. Are you that insecure about your own beliefs? Should I take offense, then, at people calling themselves Christian? Now, I do take offense at being told that your religion will turn my life around. See the difference there, Sherlock?
But you are obviously too much of a wuss to defend your own beliefs outside of name-calling. So drop it, or I'll give you so much to think about it'll ruin your Christmas (or as I like to call it, Isaac Newton's birthday).
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
from blunderhead's private offer:
I'll agree not to post this email to the list, if you agree to just chill out a bit. Maybe even admit that you were mistaken. That way, we'll both feel a little better. On the other hand, it's fine with me to if you would rather not, since you would then be giving me the OK to have fun with you guilt-free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not sure why you would leave my first paragraph out:
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Honestly, I don't enjoy making people feel bad, and I don't want to make you feel worse than you already do. This latest and other postings of yours show a worrisome level of obsessiveness and I'd feel pretty bad about myself taking advantage of your condition <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But thanks anyway for posting this since it shows nicely how I'm not merely a narcissist. You see, a narcissist wouldn't give a **** about hurting someone's feelings. Truth is, I would feel terrible knowing you were just off your meds or something when I humiliated you in public. But hey, it's a standing offer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Be careful of the games you play, it's not just your stupid website that is being watched. This is not a threat, it's an honest warning. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, let's break this down... (and feel free to take notes, Junior, you might learn something about supporting an argument.)
First, the definition of "threat" (from here (http://dictionary.reference.com/) if you want to follow along):
"An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment."
And "veiled"
"To conceal or disguise."
And "warning"
"An intimation, threat, or sign of impending danger or evil."
So, my previous example of veiled threats on this thread were valid since both were "concealed expressions of intention to inflict pain." Saying you want to hit me on the head is such an expression. Saying that you wouldn't because you're afraid of the consequences could be construed as concealment of true intention. As well, posting someone's address in response to a verbal offense by that person and saying you can "track down" that person, is also such an expression, concealed by not describing exactly how far you would like to put your foot up that person's anal cavity.
Now, clearly, that's as far as I'm going to go with that. I don't know that "veiled" threats are even illegal, but I only pointed them out to say:
"Veiled threats are really childish fellas. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, than full of ****."
Now, paragaon, with regard to your own statement you should now realize that you admitted to making an actual, even "honest" threat when calling it a "warning", since that is synonymous with "threat." So even with your neocortextual deficit, you should be able to grasp the fact that you threatened me, a fact that could get you booted from this site, but I'll be kind since this place seems to be your life.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anonymity on the internet is a farce. So stay around, play some more and things will just get funnier and funnier. Only idiots run around posting in forums that they have no business being apart of. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, please teach me about "the internets". I haven't time to design a web page worth ****, so I really have no idea about WHOIS database records or apache logs. But I'm certainly not worried a wit about you finding me online or anywhere near my home, since you don't even know how to use google.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
quote:
Posted by the dumbass:
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-)
Is that a threat!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, that would be an insult. Got it now?
So mr. paragon, my little Orlando Bloom fan, I've wasted entirely too much time on this. Time to admit you're out of your league, grasping at straws, and praying for me to just leave you alone. Whaduya say?
(I see that hummerdog has made an intelligent posting, and I really owe him a reciprocal response. So if I don't get back to you right away, I hope you'll understand. :-)
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 03:33 AM
OK, paragon, now you've pissed me off. I'm all for heated discussion, amusing but pointless name-calling, even well crafted though erred suppositions of fact. But it's your plain and unapologetic ignorance that really gets my goat, (you might know a bit about 'gettin' some goat', eh? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). I mean, you think you're making an argument, but everything you write is basically insult, followed by unsupported denial.
Now I admit I'm not the smartest guy I know, not by a longshot, but I do know that people without real argument will only return insults, demands to leave, and physical threats (genuine or not) as support for their claims, and you have demonstrated this perfectly.
Now, since I've supported all of my positions with fact and logic, I believe I've earned the right to insult you as I please. (Well, maybe not...but I'm going to it do anyway since this would be really boring otherwise :-)
So let's see how many ways I can call you a bonehead...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>PARAGON
posted 12-19-04 06:57 AM
Arnie,
Please excuse me for giving you more credit than what you are worth. Damn, you had to copy and paste your PM comment to me and couldn't come up with an original post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, I'm unoriginal. Ouch...
(Friggin' lamebrain)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Point out again exactly how the comment "not even an American car" equates to "foreign economies (are) harming America and American jobs." Just stupid, plain stupid. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The implication is obvious; you can't possibly be that thick-skulled not to see it. But maybe you can get BIGT to tell us why he'd have no problems if we all bought foreign cars.
Just idiotic, plain idiotic.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As far as your ego, you are not sure of anything, I'll grant you that. But you want to project some idea that anyone cares enough about your miniscule existence that they would actually make a threat. Again your wonderful power of extrapolation has molded a very simple comment into one being about you. I realize information, especially confirmed logical information, would be a threat to you, but remember you are speaking to a community of people and must use their mores if you want to be understood. Someone saying they would like to piss on you after bludgeoning an idea into your head really doesn't constitue a threat, veiled or otherwise, except in your own narcissistic world. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Paragon, you ignoramus, this is just insult and bare denial. Can you explain why you've chosen to ignore the English definitions of "veiled" and "threat"? Don't worry, I'll spell out still one more thing for you below...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I "waited for you to show up on the site," riiigght. More of your obsessive narcissism at work. How in the hell would I know you were going to show, no, no.....let me think.....just like every other neurotic psycho, you have a pattern. Yours is just much more distinct than others. It's this pattern that gives you away and you can't do **** about it because you have flung it all over the internet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Damn, now you're making my points for me. Fine, if you weren't looking at the "Online Now" list, then you brilliantly figured out that I post only at night. Man, what a raving ****ing loony I am. You could point me to more evidence "all over the internet" that even comes close to proving anything, but you can't. I can be 100% certain of that because there isn't any. You're a delusional dimwit.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, please understand how the human being works, one of which you barely seem to be. They overcompensate when trying to hide something. Otherwise they do not try to go into great detail to overexplain something that is true. It's only when they are caught in lies and half-truths do they resort to the stupidity of typing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo to explain away their actions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks for the explanation, but I already knew this about you.
But still, you slack-jawed dullard, prove to us somehow that I've even once written "lies and half-truths" here. You made the accusation; the onus is on you to prove it. BTW, you missed the part where "the human being" tends to "over explain" when they know the audience is too excruciatingly obtuse to grasp simpler explanations.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So, it took you 5 seconds to google the Jedi quote, but you turn around and, again narcissistically reply, that I must be obsessed with your almightiness by right after replying "it's possible you had to go through hundreds of google hits." Cool, you are such the hardcore internet guru that it took you 5 seconds to find your quote (by the way that is not the only place you made the jedi comment) but I had to search through pages and pages to find the same thing. Hmmm! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, you imbecile. I entered the quote in quotes, and came up with exactly one hit. Took literally 5 seconds. Sorry you think it requires guru status to be able to do that, but I guess that's how it appears to a dip****.
Sorry I missed the other hits, since spending more than 5 seconds on this nonsense takes time away from my pagan sex rituals. But if I had actually made those quotes, you would think I would have known where they are.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As far as your minority, freethinking, bassackward, dumbass thoughts. No, my tinkerbell of a friend, you just had to come out in one of your first posts that you are an athiest. So, I didn't start it, nanna nanna boo boo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
WTF? Oh, I get it, you're a bigot and a ****-for-brains; the fact that I merely said I'm an atheist is offensive to you. Are you that insecure about your own beliefs? Should I take offense, then, at people calling themselves Christian? Now, I do take offense at being told that your religion will turn my life around. See the difference there, Sherlock?
But you are obviously too much of a wuss to defend your own beliefs outside of name-calling. So drop it, or I'll give you so much to think about it'll ruin your Christmas (or as I like to call it, Isaac Newton's birthday).
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
from blunderhead's private offer:
I'll agree not to post this email to the list, if you agree to just chill out a bit. Maybe even admit that you were mistaken. That way, we'll both feel a little better. On the other hand, it's fine with me to if you would rather not, since you would then be giving me the OK to have fun with you guilt-free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not sure why you would leave my first paragraph out:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Honestly, I don't enjoy making people feel bad, and I don't want to make you feel worse than you already do. This latest and other postings of yours show a worrisome level of obsessiveness and I'd feel pretty bad about myself taking advantage of your condition <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
But thanks anyway for posting this since it shows nicely how I'm not merely a narcissist. You see, a narcissist wouldn't give a **** about hurting someone's feelings. Truth is, I would feel terrible knowing you were just off your meds or something when I humiliated you in public. But hey, it's a standing offer.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Be careful of the games you play, it's not just your stupid website that is being watched. This is not a threat, it's an honest warning. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, let's break this down... (and feel free to take notes, Junior, you might learn something about supporting an argument.)
First, the definition of "threat" (from here (http://dictionary.reference.com/) if you want to follow along):
"An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment."
And "veiled"
"To conceal or disguise."
And "warning"
"An intimation, threat, or sign of impending danger or evil."
So, my previous example of veiled threats on this thread were valid since both were "concealed expressions of intention to inflict pain." Saying you want to hit me on the head is such an expression. Saying that you wouldn't because you're afraid of the consequences could be construed as concealment of true intention. As well, posting someone's address in response to a verbal offense by that person and saying you can "track down" that person, is also such an expression, concealed by not describing exactly how far you would like to put your foot up that person's anal cavity.
Now, clearly, that's as far as I'm going to go with that. I don't know that "veiled" threats are even illegal, but I only pointed them out to say:
"Veiled threats are really childish fellas. Do I really bug you that much that you would try something? If so, than you're crazy, if not, than full of ****."
Now, paragaon, with regard to your own statement you should now realize that you admitted to making an actual, even "honest" threat when calling it a "warning", since that is synonymous with "threat." So even with your neocortextual deficit, you should be able to grasp the fact that you threatened me, a fact that could get you booted from this site, but I'll be kind since this place seems to be your life.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anonymity on the internet is a farce. So stay around, play some more and things will just get funnier and funnier. Only idiots run around posting in forums that they have no business being apart of. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, please teach me about "the internets". I haven't time to design a web page worth ****, so I really have no idea about WHOIS database records or apache logs. But I'm certainly not worried a wit about you finding me online or anywhere near my home, since you don't even know how to use google.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
quote:
Posted by the dumbass:
Yeah, you're a pussy all right :-)
Is that a threat!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, that would be an insult. Got it now?
So mr. paragon, my little Orlando Bloom fan, I've wasted entirely too much time on this. Time to admit you're out of your league, grasping at straws, and praying for me to just leave you alone. Whaduya say?
(I see that hummerdog has made an intelligent posting, and I really owe him a reciprocal response. So if I don't get back to you right away, I hope you'll understand. :-)
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 03:47 AM
Well, Paragon did rip you a new one and it's understandable that your widdo feewings got all hurtums. But life goes on and you still need to show up tomorrow at 7/11 for your shift.
Orlando Bloom? You are a homo, aren't you?
After the Paragon sodomizing you've been getting might I suggest you go buy(steal in your case) some of this stuff to rub on your inflamed anus.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 03:47 AM
Well, Paragon did rip you a new one and it's understandable that your widdo feewings got all hurtums. But life goes on and you still need to show up tomorrow at 7/11 for your shift.
Orlando Bloom? You are a homo, aren't you?
After the Paragon sodomizing you've been getting might I suggest you go buy(steal in your case) some of this stuff to rub on your inflamed anus.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 03:48 AM
Yep, you're a fruit. Even Eric thinks so.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 03:48 AM
Yep, you're a fruit. Even Eric thinks so.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Anthony, I've noticed that you usually post late at night. Just getting off the swing shift at the 7/11? That would explain the '88 Honda and the poor attitude towards folks that have more than you do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, that would explain I have a life: a kick-ass honest job where they pay me a lot to do what what I love; great kids and a beautiful wife; a nice house in one of the most desirable regions of the country, and a complete piece-of-**** car that means as much to my feelings of self-worth as my water heater. With all that, I only have time to post at night, in between tucking my kids in, and then having unbelievably hot sex with my wife.
It tickles me to no end, though, that you're so concerned at how much money I have, since I know the truth of the matter.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Anthony, I've noticed that you usually post late at night. Just getting off the swing shift at the 7/11? That would explain the '88 Honda and the poor attitude towards folks that have more than you do. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, that would explain I have a life: a kick-ass honest job where they pay me a lot to do what what I love; great kids and a beautiful wife; a nice house in one of the most desirable regions of the country, and a complete piece-of-**** car that means as much to my feelings of self-worth as my water heater. With all that, I only have time to post at night, in between tucking my kids in, and then having unbelievably hot sex with my wife.
It tickles me to no end, though, that you're so concerned at how much money I have, since I know the truth of the matter.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:20 AM
Oh yeah, you're wife is really hot. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Maybe down 101 in S.F. maybe.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:20 AM
Oh yeah, you're wife is really hot. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Maybe down 101 in S.F. maybe.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:22 AM
I don't think you're pulling down the big ca-eesh being a jockey in the inflatable sheep racing circuit either.
Dildo.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:22 AM
I don't think you're pulling down the big ca-eesh being a jockey in the inflatable sheep racing circuit either.
Dildo.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:24 AM
Your mother-in-law is probably looking real hot to you too.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:24 AM
Your mother-in-law is probably looking real hot to you too.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:26 AM
I did find this picture of you back in the day on the short bus. Rock on dude.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:26 AM
I did find this picture of you back in the day on the short bus. Rock on dude.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:27 AM
And you should print this picture out and carry it with you because its about as close as you're ever going to come to a hot chick with a nice little pussy.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:27 AM
And you should print this picture out and carry it with you because its about as close as you're ever going to come to a hot chick with a nice little pussy.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Yep, you're a fruit. Even Eric thinks so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
God, even if my 8-year old said something like that, I'd tell him to grow up.
Of course, he knows lots of gay people; many are friends and colleques of mine. Even my little boy questioned why others might have problems with gay people.
I explaind the word "homophobe" to him. Just to remind you, that means "fear of homosexuals, and fear of being a homosexual yourself." I explained that some people feel so bad about some of their own desires, that they find comfort in making fun of others who are more grown up and can accept what they are.
"Dirty Fun", I'm going to ignore you from now on. I've had enough of easy targets.
(But you do know that your nick refers to scat play, right?)
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Yep, you're a fruit. Even Eric thinks so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
God, even if my 8-year old said something like that, I'd tell him to grow up.
Of course, he knows lots of gay people; many are friends and colleques of mine. Even my little boy questioned why others might have problems with gay people.
I explaind the word "homophobe" to him. Just to remind you, that means "fear of homosexuals, and fear of being a homosexual yourself." I explained that some people feel so bad about some of their own desires, that they find comfort in making fun of others who are more grown up and can accept what they are.
"Dirty Fun", I'm going to ignore you from now on. I've had enough of easy targets.
(But you do know that your nick refers to scat play, right?)
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:29 AM
Now go whittle on your tiny branch to your favorite wanking picture.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:29 AM
Now go whittle on your tiny branch to your favorite wanking picture.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:34 AM
Yeah, I knew mentioning my wife would drive you guys bezerk :-)
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:34 AM
Yeah, I knew mentioning my wife would drive you guys bezerk :-)
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Of course, he knows lots of gay people; many are friends and colleques of mine. Even my little boy questioned why others might have problems with gay people.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
"Colleques"??!!! Oh you're a really bright one alright.
Cool. Bet you're really proud to have a budding figure skater in the house. Maybe he'll bring home a nice boy someday. Have you given any thought to which father gets to give away the "bride"? Better start thinking about that one. Sounds like you've been down the "rationalizing your homosexual feelings" road a few times.
And why are you using the exclamation "God" if you're an atheist?
Dirty Fun is a double entendre??? You're ****ting me...http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Thanks genius. I missed that one.
Your homework for this evening is to go out and look under you Honda and look for oil spots in the driveway. If there's even one you fail. Look under your, ahem... beautiful wife's car too(if she has one). Check for used condoms under the passenger seat in her car too.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Of course, he knows lots of gay people; many are friends and colleques of mine. Even my little boy questioned why others might have problems with gay people.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
"Colleques"??!!! Oh you're a really bright one alright.
Cool. Bet you're really proud to have a budding figure skater in the house. Maybe he'll bring home a nice boy someday. Have you given any thought to which father gets to give away the "bride"? Better start thinking about that one. Sounds like you've been down the "rationalizing your homosexual feelings" road a few times.
And why are you using the exclamation "God" if you're an atheist?
Dirty Fun is a double entendre??? You're ****ting me...http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Thanks genius. I missed that one.
Your homework for this evening is to go out and look under you Honda and look for oil spots in the driveway. If there's even one you fail. Look under your, ahem... beautiful wife's car too(if she has one). Check for used condoms under the passenger seat in her car too.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
GODDAMNIT Drty, now you have gone too far! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Don't you EVER, EVER post that picture again.
S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, c'mon Dirty Fun, that picture stirs up too many subconscious desires for sfox to handle.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
GODDAMNIT Drty, now you have gone too far! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Don't you EVER, EVER post that picture again.
S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, c'mon Dirty Fun, that picture stirs up too many subconscious desires for sfox to handle.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
GODDAMNIT Drty, now you have gone too far! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Don't you EVER, EVER post that picture again.
S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, c'mon Dirty Fun, that picture stirs up too many subconscious desires for sfox to handle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
AHHH HUURRR... good one. Reknob.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Go wake up your future gay son and ask him to punch up your posts a bit. You suck at it.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sfox:
GODDAMNIT Drty, now you have gone too far! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Don't you EVER, EVER post that picture again.
S <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, c'mon Dirty Fun, that picture stirs up too many subconscious desires for sfox to handle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
AHHH HUURRR... good one. Reknob.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Go wake up your future gay son and ask him to punch up your posts a bit. You suck at it.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Dirty Fun is a double entendre??? You're ****ting me...http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Thanks genius. I missed that one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Google "scat play" Einstein.
Arnold McBain
12-20-2004, 04:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Dirty Fun is a double entendre??? You're ****ting me...http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Thanks genius. I missed that one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Google "scat play" Einstein.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Dirty Fun is a double entendre??? You're ****ting me...http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Thanks genius. I missed that one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Google "scat play" Einstein. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why? Will it pull up a picture of you munching on some dudes hefty loaf?
Sorry I forgot to add the http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif so you'd know I was being sarcastic. You really are a self-absorbed boob, aren't you? Can't you just go lord over your pathetic blog anyway?
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Dirty Fun is a double entendre??? You're ****ting me...http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Thanks genius. I missed that one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Google "scat play" Einstein. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why? Will it pull up a picture of you munching on some dudes hefty loaf?
Sorry I forgot to add the http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif so you'd know I was being sarcastic. You really are a self-absorbed boob, aren't you? Can't you just go lord over your pathetic blog anyway?
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:52 AM
God damn it!!! You're cutting into my XBox Live time now. I keep waiting & watching for your pitiful posts like I was sitting at a deadly intersection waiting for another accident.
And I'm curios- how did you convince your "spouse" to "marry" you? Did you promise him/her all the salt licks and chewing tobacco he/she could ever hope for? Or did you promise to never let the kids at the petting zoo poke him/her in the 'nads?
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 04:52 AM
God damn it!!! You're cutting into my XBox Live time now. I keep waiting & watching for your pitiful posts like I was sitting at a deadly intersection waiting for another accident.
And I'm curios- how did you convince your "spouse" to "marry" you? Did you promise him/her all the salt licks and chewing tobacco he/she could ever hope for? Or did you promise to never let the kids at the petting zoo poke him/her in the 'nads?
H2Finally
12-20-2004, 08:19 AM
LOL!! Arny, watching you take on both Paragon and Drty is freakin hilarious!! It's like watching one of those teacup poodles barking its head off -- lots and lots of noise, mildly irritating, completely harmless, and often amusing!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But boy, talk about wasting resources! All that blah, blah, blah, yap, yap, yap... just to target a small percentage of Hummer owners, who are a small percentage of SUVs owners, who are a small percentage of all the gas-guzzling, polutant producing transportation vehicles out there... the waste just keeps goin 'n goin 'n goin... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
H2Finally
12-20-2004, 08:19 AM
LOL!! Arny, watching you take on both Paragon and Drty is freakin hilarious!! It's like watching one of those teacup poodles barking its head off -- lots and lots of noise, mildly irritating, completely harmless, and often amusing!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But boy, talk about wasting resources! All that blah, blah, blah, yap, yap, yap... just to target a small percentage of Hummer owners, who are a small percentage of SUVs owners, who are a small percentage of all the gas-guzzling, polutant producing transportation vehicles out there... the waste just keeps goin 'n goin 'n goin... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
PARAGON
12-20-2004, 08:20 AM
I'll play a little later in the day when I have time to read your rambling. But you are overly mistaken to assume my "warning" has anything to do with me. And, just stupid, to equate the word warning into a threat. A warning is an acknowledgement of a threat sport.
You know that your site's been tagged, well it's not the only thing. And please open your wee eyes just a crack and realize that we here don't give a flying rat's ass what you think or what happens to you but just like every other spineless dork of a troll that comes here, you provide challenges and the group here loves a good challenge. Example: you said you had to stay anonymous, well we will give just enough information out to make sure you understand that there is no such thing.
So, your inferences that I somehow need to prove something is just narcissism at work. It matters not one bit to us who or what you are and your puny existence here and elsewhere are just your subconscious attempts to explain away all of those voices in your head.
You see, your grasps for attention are merely fodder for us to bat you around with just because it's fun to see you self destruct.
By the way I understand that you really really got me with your retort of a post. Woohoo, way to go. Can't wait to read it.
PARAGON
12-20-2004, 08:20 AM
I'll play a little later in the day when I have time to read your rambling. But you are overly mistaken to assume my "warning" has anything to do with me. And, just stupid, to equate the word warning into a threat. A warning is an acknowledgement of a threat sport.
You know that your site's been tagged, well it's not the only thing. And please open your wee eyes just a crack and realize that we here don't give a flying rat's ass what you think or what happens to you but just like every other spineless dork of a troll that comes here, you provide challenges and the group here loves a good challenge. Example: you said you had to stay anonymous, well we will give just enough information out to make sure you understand that there is no such thing.
So, your inferences that I somehow need to prove something is just narcissism at work. It matters not one bit to us who or what you are and your puny existence here and elsewhere are just your subconscious attempts to explain away all of those voices in your head.
You see, your grasps for attention are merely fodder for us to bat you around with just because it's fun to see you self destruct.
By the way I understand that you really really got me with your retort of a post. Woohoo, way to go. Can't wait to read it.
ssgharkness020147
12-20-2004, 08:42 AM
I hope this winds up being as amusing as the 4X4fan thread was.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Example: you said you had to stay anonymous, well we will give just enough information out to make sure you understand that there is no such thing.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ssgharkness020147
12-20-2004, 08:42 AM
I hope this winds up being as amusing as the 4X4fan thread was.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
Example: you said you had to stay anonymous, well we will give just enough information out to make sure you understand that there is no such thing.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
devilsfan
12-20-2004, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Well, to cut to the chase, I don't know jack about SUVs. I couldn't tell a Durango from a Dingo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Interesting how you have so much to say on a topic you know nothing about. Add another point to Paragon's validity concerns.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And in that case I would just be SOL and asking myself, "why did I get two humongous dogs without thinking about how to transport them?" But your priorities are apparently different. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, isn't it interesting that we live in America and we can find transportation to fit our family, and not have to control our family in order to fit into what Motor City dictates? You might enjoy China in that respect. Priorities include safety for my family and getting ALL of them (pets included - they are not disposable and are not to be left at home when I travel) where we are going. My priorities are family-oriented - it's a shame more people aren't in that mindset, I think child abuse, molestation, teen moms, kids failing schools, latchkey kids, WELFARE MOTHERS, drug addicts, those with mental issues tossed out on the street, and overpopulation are a wee bit more important problems in our society today than the fact my vehicle gets 13 MPG less than your desired 'perfect vehicle' and that the UPS truck puts out a puff of smoke every now and then.[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, lest you think I'm being too harsh by suggesting you sacrifice keeping dogs, I wonder what some of you might think at seeing a wellfare mother of 7 asking for more "handouts". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, when she steps inside her BMW 5 series with a few bottles of wine that I can't even afford, then I think she should stop popping out kids for the extra income.
Stacy
devilsfan
12-20-2004, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Well, to cut to the chase, I don't know jack about SUVs. I couldn't tell a Durango from a Dingo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Interesting how you have so much to say on a topic you know nothing about. Add another point to Paragon's validity concerns.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And in that case I would just be SOL and asking myself, "why did I get two humongous dogs without thinking about how to transport them?" But your priorities are apparently different. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, isn't it interesting that we live in America and we can find transportation to fit our family, and not have to control our family in order to fit into what Motor City dictates? You might enjoy China in that respect. Priorities include safety for my family and getting ALL of them (pets included - they are not disposable and are not to be left at home when I travel) where we are going. My priorities are family-oriented - it's a shame more people aren't in that mindset, I think child abuse, molestation, teen moms, kids failing schools, latchkey kids, WELFARE MOTHERS, drug addicts, those with mental issues tossed out on the street, and overpopulation are a wee bit more important problems in our society today than the fact my vehicle gets 13 MPG less than your desired 'perfect vehicle' and that the UPS truck puts out a puff of smoke every now and then.[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also, lest you think I'm being too harsh by suggesting you sacrifice keeping dogs, I wonder what some of you might think at seeing a wellfare mother of 7 asking for more "handouts". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, when she steps inside her BMW 5 series with a few bottles of wine that I can't even afford, then I think she should stop popping out kids for the extra income.
Stacy
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 02:24 PM
Oh yeah, being gay is really great.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
<A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1941428p-8299574c.html" TARGET=_blank>Guardsman killed Iraqi after sex
</A>
I don't see why an overwhelming majority of society has to change its opinion about homosexuality so this kind of freak can feel o.k. about committing an unnatural sex act and not have post coitus guilt and kill his recently pumped pal.
Homos calling themselves "gay" is one of the worst misnomers ever. I know several "gay" people and none of them are "showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry". Just so Arnold won't freak out- I don't really care if someone chooses to be gay or not. But don't force your choices and beliefs on others.
But "Arnold" preaches acceptance- just not for us Hummer owners. Hypocritical father of a future gay porn star.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 02:24 PM
Oh yeah, being gay is really great.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
<A HREF="http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1941428p-8299574c.html" TARGET=_blank>Guardsman killed Iraqi after sex
</A>
I don't see why an overwhelming majority of society has to change its opinion about homosexuality so this kind of freak can feel o.k. about committing an unnatural sex act and not have post coitus guilt and kill his recently pumped pal.
Homos calling themselves "gay" is one of the worst misnomers ever. I know several "gay" people and none of them are "showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry". Just so Arnold won't freak out- I don't really care if someone chooses to be gay or not. But don't force your choices and beliefs on others.
But "Arnold" preaches acceptance- just not for us Hummer owners. Hypocritical father of a future gay porn star.
MONDO
12-20-2004, 02:36 PM
Only when I drive through Austin, Tx.
MONDO
12-20-2004, 02:36 PM
Only when I drive through Austin, Tx.
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MONDO:
Only when I drive through Austin, Tx. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just drive on the sidewalks. That'll cut down on the nay-sayers.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
DRTYFN
12-20-2004, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MONDO:
Only when I drive through Austin, Tx. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just drive on the sidewalks. That'll cut down on the nay-sayers.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Sorry I missed all the fun, Gang.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Posted by A MCPAIN:
Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, not necessary http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.
Sorry I missed all the fun, Gang.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Posted by A MCPAIN:
Me? Well, I'm obviously liberal, and also atheist and upper-middle class. I drive an 88 Honda Accord, so you can rip me about that I guess.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, not necessary http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.
PARAGON
12-20-2004, 10:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Just to clue you in, "McBain" is the name of a character in the Simpsons, and there could be hundreds of people going by that name on the Internet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just to clue YOU in, "So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a ****." is a quote from The Shawshank Redemption and I am not surprised you haven't seen it, it's PG-13.
PARAGON
12-20-2004, 10:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arnold McBain:
Just to clue you in, "McBain" is the name of a character in the Simpsons, and there could be hundreds of people going by that name on the Internet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just to clue YOU in, "So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a ****." is a quote from The Shawshank Redemption and I am not surprised you haven't seen it, it's PG-13.
Arnold McBain
12-21-2004, 01:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
You know that your site's been tagged, well it's not the only thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My site's been "tagged"? What new delusion are you suffering from today?
Arnold McBain
12-21-2004, 01:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PARAGON:
You know that your site's been tagged, well it's not the only thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My site's been "tagged"? What new delusion are you suffering from today?
sbmike
12-21-2004, 11:52 AM
Arnie: In case it hasn't occurred to you after 150+ posts on this thread, you have not managed to change anyone's mind about owning an H2 in this forum. Are you surprised? So tell us again why you bothered to post something on this site in the first place. You didn't have a chance from the start and yet you posted anyway. I'd be willing to bet this isn't the first forum on which you have decided to impart your wordy "wisdom" to try and dissuade other groups from their evil ways. Perhaps you should focus on things that you enjoy rather than on things you hate. It makes getting up every morning a lot easier.
sbmike
12-21-2004, 11:52 AM
Arnie: In case it hasn't occurred to you after 150+ posts on this thread, you have not managed to change anyone's mind about owning an H2 in this forum. Are you surprised? So tell us again why you bothered to post something on this site in the first place. You didn't have a chance from the start and yet you posted anyway. I'd be willing to bet this isn't the first forum on which you have decided to impart your wordy "wisdom" to try and dissuade other groups from their evil ways. Perhaps you should focus on things that you enjoy rather than on things you hate. It makes getting up every morning a lot easier.
sputnik
01-31-2005, 03:21 PM
So, it would appear to a casual observer that Arnie has got most of you pretty well riled beyond description.
He has, as all who have registered for this web site, the right to post commentary. I found most of the dialog interesting and well formulated.
A native American view of the world appreciates the gifts we receive from our home, the earth. Indeed, we take the view that we should not squander the gifts for it is a true birthright not only for ourselves, but more noblely for those we prepare to follow us; they are our children.
The issue per say is not Hummer or RV or SUV, or not. It's the extraordinary selfishness that infuses and contaminates one's view. Frankly, I have no children and therefore have reasonable justification to conduct my life in a way that cares not in the least about yours ... but I do. And I care not only for the world they will inherit, but the one generations of your families will inherit.
If you truly need a Hummer, then by all means have one. Your judgement will have ramifications for the ones that today, still feed at your breast.
DRTYFN
01-31-2005, 04:03 PM
spurtnik, please stop the overly dramatic commercialhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. After reading your post I wondered why you didn't post a picture of that Native American with the tear rolling down his cheek from the 70's commercial.
ps. Don't come here talking about sucking on tits, ok? There's little kids that read this ****ing ****.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Thanks Sputnik!! The ones who feed at my breast love the Hummer, and they are too young to understand why some LOW-LIFE would flip him the finger just for riding down the road in it. Why should I have to make excuses for immature snots that find some sick justification in jealousy..?
Come to think of it. I've only seen thumbs up from kids; what would they think when they saw their parents flip someone off simply because they drive a nice car? Carefull what you teach them you prick. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
He sure must have been bored to dig through a couple of pages just to choose that thread. What a tool.
I'm an off road purist. Know what you are buying and what it's for. It's not for shopping.
Badaboom, badabang!
Norcal!! You sexist!!! Of course it's for offroading, and if I decide to take it to the mall and JAM it in the only space left and go shopping, with my kids, then I will!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And hopefully if I'm there long enough, all the mud will come off in the parking lot and not in the driveway at my house!!
HUMMERS ARE FOR SHOPPING!!!!ABSOLUTELY!!100%
devilsfan
01-31-2005, 07:20 PM
Heck, that was a Mac post if I ever saw one!!!!!
Ramifications for our kids? Like putting them in the backseat of a Ford Taurus to get crushed to death when a drunk in a Ford F-150 decides to rear-end me? In my Hummer, I might bend a tow hook! Now, THAT'S taking care of your family.
Stacy
I Knew that Indian would show up sooner or later!!!LOL!!!
I kinda missed the ol guy. Maybe I should change my screen name to Hayball. Like my Indian friend says, "It was the first thing Dad saw when he walked out of the teepee." Or how about NightHawk? Or Littlewetbottom from the Neverdry tribe? That's my sisters name.....and on and on.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Quote: A native American view of the world appreciates the gifts we recieve from our home, the earth. Indeed, we take the view that we should not squander the gifts for it is a true birthright not only for ourselves, but more nobely for those we prepare to follow us; they are our children.
EARTH FIRST!! We'll wheel on the other planets later!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
JamesT
01-31-2005, 08:42 PM
I get several people using their finger telling me "Your #1!"
Nice to see my thread living on over TWO YEARS later!
Only one finger here so far, and I followed the guy around town for 15 minutes at 6am until he did some crazy shoot into traffic move to ditch me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
falcon
02-08-2005, 04:50 PM
no negative here either... Maybe because I'm the only chinese that that buy a Hummer instead of Honda. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
DRTYFN
02-08-2005, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by falcon:
no negative here either... Maybe because I'm the only chinese that that buy a Hummer instead of Honda. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Where's "here"? Shanghai?
Nice avatar. You should find one of a rickshaw.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
sputnik
03-05-2005, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by devilsfan:
Heck, that was a Mac post if I ever saw one!!!!!
Ramifications for our kids? Like putting them in the backseat of a Ford Taurus to get crushed to death when a drunk in a Ford F-150 decides to rear-end me? In my Hummer, I might bend a tow hook! Now, THAT'S taking care of your family.
Stacy
There's more to safety than the other guy ... (http://www.esuvee.com/flash.html)
Uh, no kidding.http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/mofo.gif
BlackDragon
03-06-2005, 03:09 PM
I get largely positive comments, as Hummers are very rare in the UK.
One thing does annoy me, though - people say to me "that's the small one, though, isn't it?" - they think the H1 is bigger!! It may be wider, but my H2 takes up more space!!
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
SssH2
03-06-2005, 11:11 PM
I get the usual:
"How's it on gas"
"What do you get per gallon"
"How do you a change a tire on that, Wheres the jack" lol
"Why does your fuel door have a lock"
"Are you going to lower it"
"Put some spinners on it"
The majority of folks gawk at the H2 while I'm getting gas. I've had more positive then negative. I even let them sit in the H2 sometimes. They say "I didn't think I would ever sit in a H2" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Someone spit on it not to long ago. I was pissed about that, But oh well...
"Like Nothing Else"
-SssH2
LasVegas
03-06-2005, 11:21 PM
For the gawkers and ones that like your H2 just say... "you can drive one too for only $225 a week". Watch them light up and then change their expression when they think about what you said. It's funny.
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