Pissed and Need to Vent

[JamesT]

One of my head managers asked me the other day if he could take 3 clients to play golf which we do on occasion. I told him to wait a few weeks becuase cash flow sucks right now. He said OK and that he understood. I overheard him tell someone "Oh but if he needed money for the Hummer, we'de have cash then." I got pissed and he appologized. I outta can his ass right? I have to deal with this crap from people I dont pay so why should I have to deal with it here, wear I pay his salary! Right!?!?!

[JamesT]

One of my head managers asked me the other day if he could take 3 clients to play golf which we do on occasion. I told him to wait a few weeks becuase cash flow sucks right now. He said OK and that he understood. I overheard him tell someone "Oh but if he needed money for the Hummer, we'de have cash then." I got pissed and he appologized. I outta can his ass right? I have to deal with this crap from people I dont pay so why should I have to deal with it here, wear I pay his salary! Right!?!?!

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
...probably has cell phone withdrawals......

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[ShaggyX]

I work in a "professional" environment (i.e., Business Casual...as professional as I have ever been)...but I still completely believe that some playful ribbing is necessary every once in a while. Even with the boss, or the bosses boss. That being said...his comments dont appear to be intended as a cute joke or sarcastic comment. That sounds like a cheap shot to me. Can his ass...and hire me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I bet I could do the same job for 1/2 the price. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[partsguy]

He could be a H2S forum member and see's you as
fair game!Give him a MAD FACE. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[NJ H2]

Bust his ass everyday until he quits!!
Why should you pay his unemployment!

[H2 Bill]

A definite lack of respect on his part....

[Klaus]

Make him wash and wax the H2 as part of his job! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[JamesT]

UPDATE....

In the words of Donald T "YOUR FIRED!"

"I have worked my ass off for what I have and will not tolerate a man whom I pay quite well to disrespect me in MY BUILDING. Keep your fu%&^ng personal opinions to yourself about me or my possesions from 8-5 Monday - Friday OR be a man and tell me what you think to my face! Now...pack up your office, drive your piece of **** Nissan Pick Up to the local unemployement office. Just go away! Go be a "sandwich artist" or someting but I aint got no use for ya!" is what I just told him. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[ShaggyX]

Nice. So when do I start? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[partsguy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
Nice. So when do I start? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Can you
say relocate.congrats Shag!!!!Maybe Seth and
Joyce will put you up for awhile.

[OldHiker]

You did the right thing. Someone like that can take down morale in a heartbeat. If you made his life miserable, he could sue you for a hostile environment.

To all you non-business owners, what you see is the perks (rewards) that we, as business owners, are entitled to. What you don’t see is the sleepless nights about making payroll, paying the mortgage, etc. We take the risks, why can’t we have the benefits.

As I told an employee when he complained that he couldn’t pay his bills but I had a fancy car – “If I fail and close, you lose a job. I, on the other hand, lose ALL my perks, benefits, rewards and all my other possessions. House and cars included. I am the person taking all the risks, not you.” Then I used the now famous words – You’re fired!

I pay people to work for me, not be my friend. Everyone is here at my place because they are getting paid to do a job. No one works for free. If they are not happy and do not perform, then they are basically “stealing” a paycheck every week.

It’s funny how different everything looks like from this side of the desk.

[HUMMERcustoms.com/TAZ]

James
Phil expressed My sentiments. I have never tolerated that kind of joking as it brings to bare an underlying problem. Now do not get Me wrong I'm one of the first to say turn the other check. But, it does not mean to tolerate a possible chance of sabatoging a business that many others of Your worker family depend on for their living. That attitude could easily be conveyed to customers whether He even realized He did it or not.
Besides what business is it of His how You spend the money of a company You took the risk in starting and He has just enjoyed the by product of Your risk. Anytime an employee did not like what I did or the way I did it I just always asked Who's name is on the signature line of pay check or the name on the business sign. If they wanted a company run differently go take some risk of which He probably does not have the nerve to do.
I would if You have had other problems no matter how small with this guy collect all documentation and when You get paper work from unemployment office You can dispute the claim.
It could be less stress though to be done with it and let Him get the check.
Good Luck on this. Even though I do not believe in luck to the point that I think You make Your own luck.
TAZ

[usetosellhummer]

As Kenny says; You got to know when to hold em and know when to fold em. Sounds good but just remember, if your the boss.. you never offer an excuse like you did. You just say yes or no. You opened the door for his comment and then got mad when you heard it. If he was any good the way to go would be sure, but I need you to hit that goal we talked about this week? I worked for a dealer with that same excuse wile his jet and new house had no problems. Don't let your emotions get the best of ya big boy.

[Harley]

I too, own my own businesses. I tend to support James... subversiveness should never be tolerated under any circumstances. That kind of attitude is pervasive and will destroy a business. Joking is one thing, but disrespect and subterfuge will bring down the infrastructure in a heartbeat.

K

[ShaggyX]

I have always said insubordinate is my middle name. I challenge everything my boss says with a joke, or sarcastic comment. It just makes life/work more interesting. I just make sure to say it to her face so she knows it is just me joking, not taking shots at her behind her back. Its worked out well so far. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


BTW...sorry for the thread jack...its a habit.

[usetosellhummer]

Easy, I fired and hired but you never knew what I had cause It wasn't your biz, Your right there but don't you think saying hay We can't becasue of cash flow, the weather, a bad decession on my part. You just say no, becasue your the man. I know becasue I don't want to be the man. Man oh man, nice talk, The person I worked for maybe was not a good motavator. I motavated myself to make money, he took and never gave back. That is why he is no longer a HUMMER dealer. So in short, did the dude need to fired? maybe did the man overreact? If he was a good employee making money for the company, yes.

[KenP]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gifJames, good for you. What the hell does he care what you have anyway. It's your business. He should be thanking you for the job he just lost. That really pisses me off. And knowing you've had issues with employees recently really turns my battery red. Glad you fired the prick.

Shaggy, if the comments would have been directed to James in the right tone I could see it as a joke. But James overheard the dumbass saying it to someone else. F-him.

James, I don't know how unemployment works there compared to here, but here's some advice. Fight against it the whole way. If you're ruled against, appeal it. I've employed people for quite a few years and have NEVER paid unemployment. The best thing is they win round one, get a few checks, then lose round two. They have to pay all the money back! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[JamesT]

In 6 years of owning my own business I have NEVER lost a claim. Dont plan a starting now either. My employee manual was written very well. As far as this case, Insobordination covers my butt.

[ShaggyX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Shaggy, if the comments would have been directed to James in the right tone I could see it as a joke. But James overheard the dumbass saying it to someone else. F-him.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed. That guy deserved to be fired.

[funpilot]

I think you will win on firing for cause.....

[usetosellhummer]

It's that attitude that just made me remember why I hated dealing with the ego, better then you attitude that some of you owners have. So your the boss well with great power comes great
responsibility. Could the employee need an attitude adjustment? Did he have a family depending on him? You don't care, he rubs your ego the wrong way because you "worked for everything you got" so he deserves to be fired. Shallow man! Nobody never gave you a break on the way up or took you aside to maybe teach you something. Don't hide behind that crap.

[TBDAugs]

I would never have fired and have never fired someone who I overheard disrespecting me to others the first time. Doesn't mean I didn't get pissed, just really an invitation to reflect, isn't it?

Definitely a sit down discussion though. Setting boundaries, clear expectations on the behavior...

Firing someone for 'insubordination' IMHO frankly is a cop out for failed leadership.

Course I probably never would have hired that particular us vs. them value set in the first place.

VPandGMAugs

[Hart1]

(Holding finger to mouth) "This Organization will not tolerate insolence" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Everyone here is dead on right. It is your business, etc., etc.,.

Now, lets look at it esoterically, for your benefit.

Is the statement true about putting the Hummer first over your business and employees? If you are honestly not doing this, then why the perception that you are?

Rember to most, perception is the reality.

Just reflect on these thoughts, that's all I ask. There is no right or wrong conclusion to this request.

[BlingBlingH2]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
You did the right thing James. These things often start with disrepectful comments, then grow into animosity and resentment, which in turn leads to an unproductive and beligerent employee. They also spread this poison to other employees.

It doesn't matter what people think of you, provided they do their job well, (although it usually helps if they don't have a negative opinion), but when they start sharing that opinion at work, the writing is on the wall.

Make sure you document everything well too, as these little weasels sometimes may try for a wrongful dismissal suit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ahh yea mofo, given some dude da axe cause he don't like your whip is a great decision. and den turning around and making fun of his choice of whips? What, do all ya'll douche bags act like you be in junor high still? i hope dis fool takes yo azz to court and wins, like a mug.

[JamesT]

You speak as if this is some snot nosed kid with his first job. Give him a break? This guy is an adult male that made well over 60K per year in a VERY influential position in a small business. This type of person can kill the comrodery of a business in no time at all. As for his family...is'nt that HIS job? I have a family and I suffer when i make mistakes. Ego has nothing to do with this. It has everything to do with respect. Shallow man? Dont I have a greater responsability to the whole staffot just him? Is'nt it supposed to be for the greater good of the group. As far as giving me breaks. Yes, and I RESPECTED them for doing so. I live by a rule. If I have something to say I say it...if it hurts your poor little feelings...too bad! Grow up, wake up, and MAN UP!!! There is much to be said about a man whom you have no doubt where you stand with. My family or friends, or staff NEVER have to wonder whats going on in my head. If they ask a question, be preparred to hear the 100% black and white truth. No walking on egg shells. Crap...you made me ramble with your pathetic crying. Bottome line. My decision...and Im 100% right about it!

[JamesT]

Not putting the Hummer first. Putting respect first. As all of us should.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
(Holding finger to mouth) "This Organization will not tolerate insolence" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Everyone here is dead on right. It is your business, etc., etc.,.

Now, lets look at it esoterically, for your benefit.

Is the statement true about putting the Hummer first over your business and employees? If you are honestly not doing this, then why the perception that you are?

Rember to most, perception is the reality.

Just reflect on these thoughts, that's all I ask. There is no right or wrong conclusion to this request. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[JamesT]

Doubt you can relate Bling idiot. Being a car wash attendant really doesnt put you in the same class of a business owner. Listen...they are calling for you at the pre wash section. GO!


ahh yea mofo, given some dude da axe cause he don't like your whip is a great decision. and den turning around and making fun of his choice of whips? What, do all ya'll douche bags act like you be in junor high still? i hope dis fool takes yo azz to court and wins, like a mug.[/QUOTE]

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Not putting the Hummer first. Putting respect first. As all of us should. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You miss the whole point.

That's really a non-answer. You cannot go to the next level, grasshopper.

If you are honestly not doing this, then why the perception that you are?

[JamesT]

The Hummer itself has Zero to do with this. It cant be put first over business nor the staff. It is irrelavant (sp) I am putting the business and the rest of the staff over one person who HAD the ability to cause a cancer in my business. You are WAY too anylitical for me. I only got a G.E.D. Good Enought Diploma http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is the statement true about putting the Hummer first over your business and employees? If you are honestly not doing this, then why the perception that you are? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[BlueTJCO]

is he a prick for talking behind your back, yes? Did he deserve to get fired, not in my opinion.

"My family or friends, or staff, never have to know whats going on in my head"

you say this yet you come to your local 4x4 board to ask "shall I fire him or not?"

There are certain actions that need to be taken when someone disrespects you. I can think of plenty of actions you could have taken and maybe taught him a lesson or two about opening your mouth about someone behind their back. Put him on some type of probation if you want to send a message. Make his life at work hell for awhile. But to fire him outright for making a comment about your RIG makes me think that your a prick.

I work for a very small company. I understand that you need to respect that chain of command and damn well better respect your boss. But he really didn't do anything to affect the company or the work or does for it. He hurt your feelings when it really comes down to it and you figured you'd just show him who big man on campus is and fire his ass.

Now I wonder if the rest of your employees respect you for that decision. OR if now, during the Nuggets win tonight, they are all calling you a douchbag anyways, because lets face it....You are the BOSS....and we all know our BOSSES ARE DOUCHBAGS! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[JamesT]

A cross I must bare. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You are the BOSS....and we all know our BOSSES ARE DOUCHBAGS! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

My boss is always talking behind MY BACK. And he is a complete ass and is dissing me all of the time.

[usetosellhummer]

Need to just keep things in check. Face it, you changed someone's life today because he hurt your pride, you did bust your ass and having a hummer or a jet is fine. It would help him and you if you were to teach him something instead. Oh well next time just think about it. People like him need leaders like you to teach and maybe it's not too late to do something about it. You did not fire him for cause, it was for feelings. I'm done and man I made a **** load of money off pompus sold on their sucess folks. I just saying to think next time mine thats all, you meet the sme people going down, as on the way up.

[BlueTJCO]

well said, worse typed! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[usetosellhummer]

yea I can't spell, ooooo does that mean Im no good and should be fired? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[timgco]

I think some of you need new bosses. Respect betwen you and your staff are key to a great biz. I'm sure this is more to this story than what we have all heard. Maybe the jackass that was talking behind his boss has had an attitude problem for a while and the BOSS saw it was spreading to other people within the company. My current boss and I get a long great. No secrets, no back talking. Honest, open, and a truthfull realtionship bewteen you and your employees is the only way to go... small or large company! James did not can this guy for the commentabout his rig! ...Unless james is a really big prick. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

My employees know I'm a very generous boss and always pro events. But they also know I can lose it and cut some ungrateful at the drop of a hat.

James, I wouldn't fire him. Just remind him of how good they have it in comparison to the welfare or unemployment line.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My current boss and I get a long great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We call this type of reaction "brown nose-ing" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Really, James, I was trying to point you to a esoteric path, and I have failed.

But let me say this. What if you would have treated the situation in a different way? A way in which both you and your (ex)employee could have grown from this event?

You might have fired the only honest person ( at least as perception goes) in your business, who knows now what type employees you have left? Yes men?

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My current boss and I get a long great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We call this type of reaction "brown nose-ing" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Really, James, I was trying to point you to a esoteric path, and I have failed.

But let me say this. What if you would have treated the situation in a different way? A way in which both you and your (ex)employee could have grown from this event?

You might have fired the only honest person ( at least as perception goes) in your business, who knows now what type employees you have left? Yes men? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He's had issues with some of his employees.

Besides, what positives can come from an employee mouthing off in a negative manner about there boss? I see nothing but a lowering of morale, discontent and a general lack of respect for the person paying the wages.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Really, James, I was trying to point you to a esoteric path, and I have failed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok, this is the second time you used this word in this thread. Do you even know what it means?

[ShaggyX]

es·o·ter·ic Audio pronunciation of "esoteric" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-trk)
adj.

1.
1. Intended for or understood by only a particular group: an esoteric cult. See Synonyms at mysterious.
2. Of or relating to that which is known by a restricted number of people.

2.
1. Confined to a small group: esoteric interests.
2. Not publicly disclosed; confidential.


Do I win a prize? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
Do I win a prize? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sure! A sticker that says "My Other Truck is an H2!"

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
who knows now what type employees you have left? Yes men? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

On the flip side, you have one bad seed corrupting and possibly swaying the staff to his view. It's like spreading a rumor. Not good for the working enviroment.

[h2co-pilot]

To me, any employee that injects negativity on team should be given an intense warning or notice. Especially when sporting a disrespect for a higher authority.

This disrespect in turn invokes a dissatisfaction in other employees leading to poor production = less revenue = less funds for golf trips = less profit. Kind of a Maslow Theory thing.

clink clink

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
To me, any employee that injects negativity on team should be given an intense warning or notice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is this what happens in your house when you don't get to take the H2 tanning? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Marcmedic]

I guarantee the guy knows exactly why he got fired and in the future will probably not talk **** about the boss when he's within earshot. This has nothing to do with "ego" and everything to do with insubordination and a total lack of respect. The fact that some of you would actually condone this type of behavior in a business that you own, is amazing in itself. It's his company, he can fire whoever he wants. In the state of Kansas, you are at "at will employee", which means you can get fired for any or no reason whatsoever. Kind of makes you double check your surroundings before talking about the man.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ShaggyZr2:
I work in a "professional" environment (i.e., Business Casual...as professional as I have ever been)...but I still completely believe that some playful ribbing is necessary every once in a while. Even with the boss, or the bosses boss. That being said...his comments dont appear to be intended as a cute joke or sarcastic comment. That sounds like a cheap shot to me. Can his ass...and hire me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I bet I could do the same job for 1/2 the price. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hippie bark-chewing is a professional environment?http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Dock that subversive turd 2 weeks pay.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
To me, any employee that injects negativity on team should be given an intense warning or notice. Especially when sporting a disrespect for a higher authority.

This disrespect in turn invokes a dissatisfaction in other employees leading to poor production = less revenue = less funds for golf trips = less profit. Kind of a Maslow Theory thing.

clink clink </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, on second thought... fire that POS.

[DRTYFN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JamesT:
UPDATE....

In the words of Donald T "YOUR FIRED!"

"I have worked my ass off for what I have and will not tolerate a man whom I pay quite well to disrespect me in MY BUILDING. Keep your fu%&^ng personal opinions to yourself about me or my possesions from 8-5 Monday - Friday OR be a man and tell me what you think to my face! Now...pack up your office, drive your piece of **** Nissan Pick Up to the local unemployement office. Just go away! Go be a "sandwich artist" or someting but I aint got no use for ya!" is what I just told him. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Didn't read that far down before I fired off the first salvo.
Good for you, James!!! Bet you don't have any more trouble from the mouths.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marcmedic:
I guarantee the guy knows exactly why he got fired and in the future will probably not talk **** about the boss when he's within earshot. This has nothing to do with "ego" and everything to do with insubordination and a total lack of respect. The fact that some of you would actually condone this type of behavior in a business that you own, is amazing in itself. It's his company, he can fire whoever he wants. In the state of Kansas, you are at "at will employee", which means you can get fired for any or no reason whatsoever. Kind of makes you double check your surroundings before talking about the man. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>"At Will" states are great. I had all employees sign a form stating they understood what that meant.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
To me, any employee that injects negativity on team should be given an intense warning or notice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is this what happens in your house when you don't get to take the H2 tanning? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[tower]

Well Gosh,

By now, James, you are probably sick of hearing from everyone and wishing you hadn't posted the question. If so, please don’t even bother reading this.

Hart1, you have some good thoughts on this, but as PARAGON alludes to, by calling your own comments "a esoteric path" (should be "a<span class="ev_code_RED">n</span> esoteric path", twice, nonetheless), and saying things like “for your benefit,” you make yourself sound incredibly arrogant and no one wants to bother listening to you.

I know many of the contributors to this thread personally and feel comfortable saying:

Shaggy, excellent observation! *****

ANYONE would be very fortunate to have DennisAJC for a boss or timgco for an employee.

But I have digressed. I try my best to always use the three strikes rule. That means if someone I have trusted (employee or friend) seems to have seriously broken that trust, I have a closed-door conversation with him or her. I try to stay humble and explain how it felt to me WITHOUT BLAMING THEM. I am willing to do this THREE TIMES before giving up on someone. In this case, I would have additionally explained how much more difficult it is to foster good morale among the employees than bad and how incendiary a poor attitude can be, especially from a leader in the company. I would do a lot of listening and self-reflection. Why would this man make such a comment and why did it fall so hard on you? One must wonder, is there a kernel of truth to it. Did this fellow have hopes of golfing with a client in order to secure some new bounty for your company? I think these are questions worth pondering for a while, regardless of whatever answers first come to mind.

Also, if this employee had seen the error of his ways and gotten mercy from you, the potential existed for ending up with one of the most loyal and trustworthy employees ever. That opportunity is now lost. And now, whatever negative feelings this guy had about you have (in his mind) just been proven true. And he and his family have now lost their source of income.

As to your remaining employees, you have added fuel to whatever conversation existed about you being an A-hole boss. (I'm NOT saying you are one, but you have just fueled that conversation). And, you have forced whatever conversation exists about you farther away from your own earshot. This is very dangerous and can topple a company. Many of the best ideas in business come from the bottom up. This is NOT a conduit you want closed. Also, if you have your employees living in a state of fear about saying what they really think or feel, you are severely limiting your companies potential for growth. Many bosses maintain an atmosphere of fear in the workplace. Not only is this morally reprehensible, but it misses the following: Employees contribute in work and ideas far above what they get paid, if they have some sense of ownership in their company. I’m not talking about stock holdings, I’m talking about people feeling that they are contributing to the company and helping steer it to success. You WANT your employees to express themselves freely. I have worked with many companies where employees LOVE the fact that their boss has all the trappings of affluence. It makes them feel that they are working for a profitable company that does good work and that their jobs are secure.

So as I have said, I try to give someone at least three opportunities to make good. And I don't do it as a trap. I make it very clear that I take ownership of the problem that I have with their actions. I let them know what the problem IS from my perspective and WHY it’s a problem for me. And I work with them on what the solution should be. I do this three times, before I write someone off. I don't know what type of business you own, but I would wager a hefty sum that your employees are your most valuable asset.

It is my hope that breaking things down in such detail might make them more accessible. If I am wrong, I am sorry. I try never to give advice unless asked. You asked. If you prefer the nutshell version, just see the earlier comment from TBDAugs. That pretty well sums it up.

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
Is this what happens in your house when you don't get to take the H2 tanning? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ofcourse!, one that injects negativity on my fun doesn't get to inject anything else. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Nah, I just perform a swift booger wiping. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As Ken said, I recall James having prior problems as well. As sfox said, he probably wasn't asking for advice, just venting. What is done is done and I think he was right on. No sense in trying to see another point or try to make James feel regret.

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h2co-pilot:
What is done is done and I think he was right on. No sense in trying to see another point or try to make James feel regret. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was never my intention to make James feel regret, just to help support his business. In terms of there being no point in trying to see another point of view, respectfully, I disagree.

[devilsfan]

I think the fact that this is the first comment James has HEARD was glossed over. Does anyone honestly think this is the first time James has done something to tick this guy off, and this is the first time this guy has made a comment behind James' back? I seriously doubt it. He's just gotten brazen enough to do it within earshot of the boss. To me, that's not a joke, that's escalation of disrespect. It's definitely one thing if he bitches about James to his wife at the end of the day, but quite another to be that bold at work.

I am not a boss, but an employee in a small company (15 employees). Let me tell you what this kind of dissent can do to company morale and working conditions. Our office was VERY tense for awhile when we had a new hire who did nothing but bitch about my manager behind her back. We're a pretty close knit group, and if there's ever a problem, we sit down as a group and resolve it. Works every time. This new girl (God only knows why she's still here, I'm hoping to see her ass get canned before the year is over) bitched 24-7 via instant messager, email, vocally - any time the manager left the room - over truly STUPID stuff. Like the manager didn't review her project yet (when the manager had 7 other projects going on of MUCH higher inportance). I got sick of it one morning and put her in her place (and got the attitude of "You're not my boss!" to which I responded "Obviously not, because you would have been fired weeks ago, bitch." Things are still tense here, a good 4 months later. She's stopped her bitching, but now that I know what kind of lazy ass person she is, I can't stand her - and a lot of my colleagues can't, either. It's changed our office environment permanently. And this is strictly because one person decided they wanted to bitch about the boss behind her back. And a NEW HIRE at that - imagine what effect a top manager would have on the working environment and the rest of the employees!!

I think James did the right thing. It has nothing to do with the H2. His manager could have brought up anything - vacations, his wife (in which the guy likely would have walked off with a broken nose), etc. He chose something he knew was dear to James on purpose and went with it. It wasn't a slip up - that comment was intentional.

I say good riddance to bad trash. What's wrong with "yes men"? It's called a team environment. That's a GOOD thing in business.

Stacy

[JamesT]

This is such a great forum. Never did I think that I would get so many great, objective, points of view (some so wrong http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) and for this I thank all of you. I heareby appoint all of you to my Board of Directors. EXCEPT YOU BLINGIDIOT....no room for you. We have a car wash guy already.

After 24 hours of this whole thing I have no regrets. Seth had a great point when he said "He was a LEADER in James' organization. The guy made over 60k a year (a LOT of money here in San Antonio) and was expected to lead as James would himself." This sums it up. If he has a personal issue, deal with it behind a door with me. Certainatly not with a hourly staff member,

As I said, sincere thanks for the feedback.

Hey, dont all of you have jobs? Get to work! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hart1, you have some good thoughts on this, but as PARAGON alludes to, by calling your own comments "a esoteric path" (should be "an esoteric path", twice, nonetheless), and saying things like “for your benefit,” you make yourself sound incredibly arrogant and no one wants to bother listening to you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your current viewpoint that I come across as "arrogant" is regrettable. I was being positive about the information I wanted to share, nothing more. And I now regret sharing it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ok, this is the second time you used this word in this thread. Do you even know what it means?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

By "esoteric" I mean those principles which are above man-made ideas, and which can therefore change and uplift a receptive man or woman. As an example, I was trying to get James to look at this troublesome event in a new way; instead of battling the event, using facts to understand it. However, it seems most have rejected exploring this path (hence the word "esoteric").

If James' goal was to punish, then he has indeed done quite well. However, if his goal was to correct a mistake (opening one's mouth before one thinks, we are all condemned, then), then he has failed, miserably.Keeping employees "inline" (or anyone for that matter) with fear, will only get you so far.

What if there was a way to correct the problem and at the same time increase employee loyalty, without using fear? In fact, there is.

I am a Division Manager for a very affuent and respected City, with numerous staff under my direction, and I interact with the community often, so I do speak from experience.

"To be aware that we are unaware is an especially valuable from of awareness"

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> should be "an esoteric path", twice, nonetheless </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Arrogance? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The choice of article is actually based upon the phonetic (sound) quality of the first letter in a word, not on the orthographic (written) representation of the letter. If the first letter makes a vowel-type sound, you use "an"; if the first letter would makes a consonant-type sound, you use "a."

So "Esoteric" is sounded as "es" or "s" so "a" can be used. s-e-teric is the sound spelling or "consonant-type sound.

[PARAGON]

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Try again, EH!

[Hart1]

No, the e is silent.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Your current viewpoint that I come across as "arrogant" is regrettable. I was being positive about the information I wanted to share, nothing more. And I now regret sharing it.

By "esoteric" I mean those principles which are above man-made ideas, and which can therefore change and uplift a receptive man or woman. As an example, I was trying to get James to look at this troublesome event in a new way; instead of battling the event, using facts to understand it. However, it seems most have rejected exploring this path (hence the word "esoteric").

If James' goal was to punish, then he has indeed done quite well. However, if his goal was to correct a mistake (opening one's mouth before one thinks, we are all condemned, then), then he has failed, miserably.Keeping employees "inline" (or anyone for that matter) with fear, will only get you so far.

What if there was a way to correct the problem and at the same time increase employee loyalty, without using fear? In fact, there is.

I am a Division Manager for a very affuent and respected City, with numerous staff under my direction, and I interact with the community often, so I do speak from experience.

"To be aware that we are unaware is an especially valuable from of awareness" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You should regret it. But I don't see it as arrogance. For me, for one to display arrogance, they would need to back up that display and you are quickly losing points in that game. You state, "I was trying to get James to look at this troublesome event in a new way; instead of battling the event, using facts to understand it." Frankly put, "battling" an event and "understanding" it does not mutually exclude each other. What is funny here is that you assume to "understand" the situation better than the person involved and purport to offer a better solution to something you have a minute amount of details about. What would possess someone to provide such direct opinion on something based solely on one simple post made in frustration? Others here have offered various opinions but not so much to say that he was just wrong. Your word of the day usage of "esoteric" belies the idea that you have some great human understanding that makes you qualified to offer opinion in matters such as this.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
No, the e is silent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So, you are saying that Webster's dictionary is wrong and the proper way to say the word is "soteric." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

If that is the case I guess you would pronounce especially as "specially". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Andy C]

OK I have absolutely no idea what the previous ten posts have been about - but I would have fired the prick as well.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
OK I have absolutely no idea what the previous ten posts have been about </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That would be because they are esoteric posts. Only H2 owners would understand. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You are now an exoteric forum member.

[JamesT]

Andy, Thanks for the candid support!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
OK I have absolutely no idea what the previous ten posts have been about - but I would have fired the prick as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[JamesT]

All of this depends on what your definision of "is" is.

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
No, the e is silent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So, you are saying that Webster's dictionary is wrong and the proper way to say the word is "soteric." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

If that is the case I guess you would pronounce especially as "specially". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Hart1]

Paragon:

Please don't put words in my mouth. The topic read "pissed off" or something like that. I was only offering a different way to look at this event. There is a way to change your thinking without getting "pissed off", did you know that?

others have rightly expressed their viewpoints, I have too.

If my points and observations would have sounded a bell, then James could have PM me and I would have given him more information that has greatly benefited me in these situations.

The real question is, why has this information made you react the way you have? Sometimes the truth is shocking when one is asleep. Who knows?

I stand by my viewpoints and my suggestions. Sorry!

[JamesT]

OK...FUC% OFF Seth! Feel better????

Just kidding you know http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Kind of like "special ed" or "special needs"... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Man this conversation is waaaaaay too high-brow for this forum, somebody drop a cpuple of F-bombs and get us all recentered on the sotericness of being an H2 owner that canned someone for talkin smack about his truck......http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Paragon:

Please don't put words in my mouth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't worry, I can't. It's already full of your foot.

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
OK I have absolutely no idea what the previous ten posts have been about </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That would be because they are esoteric posts. Only H2 owners would understand. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You are now an exoteric forum member. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never realised my IQ was going to drop so dramatically when I became a hasbeen. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sfox:
Man this conversation is waaaaaay too high-brow for this forum.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Now, that can't be so. I am just a redneck from M'ssisip.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Kind of like "especial ed" or "especial needs"... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good examples of a consonant-type sound, if they were really sounded that way.

[tower]

No, PARAGON is quite correct. If they were really spelled that way, they would be vowel-type sounds. Unlike you, I'm not suggesting you need Special ED, only second grade grammar.

Did you really think that by omitting information you would make you point?

"A" goes before all words that begin with consonants.
· a cat
· a dog
· a purple onion
· a buffalo
· a big apple
with one exception: Use an before unsounded h.
· an honorable peace
· an honest error
"An" goes before all words that begin with vowels:
· an apricot
· an egg
· an Indian
· an orbit
· an uprising
with two exceptions: When u makes the same sound as the y in you, or o makes the same sound as w in won, then a is used.
· a union
· a united front
· a unicorn
· a used napkin
· a U.S. ship
· a one-legged man
Note: The choice of article is actually based upon the phonetic (sound) quality of the first letter in a word, not on the orthographic (written) representation of the letter. If the first letter makes a vowel-type sound, you use "an"; if the first letter would makes a consonant-type sound, you use "a." So, if you consider the rule from a phonetic perspective, there aren't any exceptions. Since the 'h' hasn't any phonetic representation, no audible sound, in the first exception, the sound that follows the article is a vowel; consequently, 'an' is used. In the second exception, the word-initial 'y' sound (unicorn) is actually a glide [j] phonetically, which has consonantal properties; consequently, it is treated as a consonant, requiring 'a'.
Either you are operating under the misunderstanding that the “e” in esoteric is silent, or you are misapplying your own rule. You are mistaking the sound of the letter "S" (a consonant-type sound requiring a; example at the beginning of the word stop) for the sound of the "NAME of the letter 'S', which has the sound 'ess'" as in essence or esoteric (a vowel-type sound requiring “an”). You would no more say "a esoteric concept" than you would "an stop sign."

But I'm really not about arguing syntax here; my point was that it is arrogant to call you own thought esoteric. It makes you sound as if you think the concepts that you are imparting are above most other people’s ability to comprehend. I couldn't agree with you less. I voiced my opinion. I believe James understood it, but suspect he disagrees. I respect that. It’s his choice to make. In the scheme of things, I value my own opinion no more than anyone else’s. Why would you try to set your ideas above those of others by calling them esoteric? I found nothing in you comments here that were difficult to understand. Certainly nothing that qualifies (using your definition) as principles which are above man-made ideas.

[Andy C]

Has anyone else noticed that the letter "a" also fits perfectly in front of "F@#%$@g waste of bandwidth"

[tower]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Andy C]

And can anyone explain to me why the letter a makes the two ss's silent in front of the word hole. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Hart1]

I stand by this information on sound spellings. The information I pointed out was the relevant portion.


I never claimed anything but "there is a different way." That's all. Any other insinuations are false.

I do believe the fact that a healthy receptivity to these principles require some to desert their acquired opinions. Which I have been working on, and seeing very good results in my life.

I have discussed this before with friends, some blow it off, others ask for more information.

My points were positive, encouraging and sincere. One would think that if we wanted truth, one could speak without fear.

You have my firm promise never to "cast pearls before swine" again... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
I have discussed this before with friends, some blow it off, others ask for more information. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What percentage ask "WTF are you talking about"

[Hart1]

Ahhh, those are the people that want to know....grasshopper http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Ahhh, those are the people that want to know....grasshopper http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those long hot days must just fly by in Palm Desert.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
I do believe the fact that a healthy receptivity to these principals </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't you mean "principles."

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
I never claimed anything but "there is a different way." That's all. Any other insinuations are false. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
If you are honestly not doing this, then why the perception that you are? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
I stand by this information on sound spellings. The information I pointed out was the relevant portion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
One would think that if we wanted truth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Is the statement true about putting the Hummer first over your business and employees? If you are honestly not doing this, then why the perception that you are?

Rember to most, perception is the reality.

Just reflect on these thoughts, that's all I ask. There is no right or wrong conclusion to this request. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
You miss the whole point.

That's really a non-answer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Hart1]

Paragon:

Thanks! In fact, after I posted, I then caught the mistake and already corrected it.

I am amazed that you missed the many other mistakes made by others here too. Are your "proof reading" skills lacking? Who knows?



Or, are you using the "poison well" tactic by attacking me and not the information I have provided? Who knows?

No wonder your boss talks behind your back, you may deserve it. ..http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wow, I have pushed a button, have I? lol. Thanks for your attention but it is not needed.

[devilsfan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
I have discussed this before with friends, some blow it off, others ask for more information. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What percentage ask "WTF are you talking about" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have to take out the percentage that have killed themselves out of sheer boredom first.

Stacy

[tower]

Hart1, perhaps my assessment of you as arrogant was in error. I probably should have said delusional, self-aggrandizing.

You would do much better with a bigger compass and a smaller ego, "grasshopper." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Hart1]

I understand, have a nice sleep!

Paragon:

All those quotes are correct, good job!

[JamesT]

**** Hart1. Your taking a beating on the thread I started. I almost feel bad.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Paragon:

Thanks! In fact, after I posted, I then caught the mistake and already corrected it.

I am amazed that you missed the many other mistakes made by others here too. Are your "proof reading" skills lacking? Who knows?



Or, are you using the "poison well" tactic by attacking me and not the information I have provided? Who knows?

No wonder your boss talks behind your back, you may deserve it. ..http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Wow, I have pushed a button, have I? lol. Thanks for your attention but it is not needed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sure you "caught" the mistake. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Maybe it's too much of an esoteric idea for you to understand why I pointed out the misuse of the word.

So, you view this as an attack? Wow, I would really hate to see you come under real fire. By the way, you have provided no information, so nothing to "attack" there. And my use of YOUR quotes equates to my attacking you and not your "information?" You a funny, funny guy. I am sure I deserve my boss talking behind my back (oopsie, did you really say that. Not very Berean to say someone "deserves" to be talked about behind their back). Wow, have I pushed a button?

Really, I am quite surprised that you keep posting realizing that you............ hold on............. you don't realize it, do you?

[Hart1]

Tower:

I have reviewed and re-reviewed my words, and I honestly do not see the justification for these attacks on me.

Again, I am sorry if you feel this is the case.

My intent for James was only for good for a positive outcome. I am really surprised that the information provided here has been so negatively received. However, I am confident that some here that do truly read and reflect on what I have written will find no malice on my part.

[Hart1]

“why I pointed out the misuse of the word”

It was a misspelling, typo, see the difference? Proceeding from anger can cause this.

“”By the way, you have provided no information”””

Could it be you did not give me a chance to present any that may be of value? There is information there, you can’t see it. I did call my effort a path....

“”And my use of YOUR quotes equates to my attacking you and not your "information?"””

No, all you have done is take my points out of context. Even the devil can quote scripture..
(Disclaimer: I am not comparing my information to scripture, only Paragon to the devil)

""Really, I am quite surprised that you keep posting realizing that you............ hold on............. you don't realize it, do you? ""

You got me there. You are right! Your poor debating tactics and attacks should “ring the bell” that I am existing on the same level as a can of dog food. Thanks! I am departing for another level right now.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Could it be you did not give me a chance to present any that may be of value? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Finally, you admit to something. That the information you presented so far has no value.

[tower]

Sorry, this is just too easy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:

I have reviewed and re-reviewed my words, and I honestly do not see the justification for these attacks on me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the problem! You don’t see it!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:

Remember to most, perception is the reality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heed your own words! Everyone here sees you as narcissistic. That is why you are taking such a terrible beating. You state your opinion as fact or "information." You fail to see that you are just the same as the rest of us, OPINIONATED, but neither brighter, better nor more tuned in than anyone else. (In fact, you seem less so.) You try to put yourself in the role of Eastern master, yet you are less in touch with Tao than anyone I know. You use it as a ruse to try to put yourself and your knowledge above others. It is transparent to all! You seem to totally lack humility. Now reflect on that, grasshopper!

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">**** Hart1. Your taking a beating on the thread I started. I almost feel bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, no! Please don't' feel bad. I only wish that we had this discussion in person, instead of this forum. I am confident it would have gone on very differently.

This interaction with people like Paragon has taught me how to stay on the esoteric path:

1. One of our most useless weights is to believe in the necessity of conflict.

2. I must work on my anxious craving for approval from others.

3. I need to be aware of involvement with interesting but immature people. "Do not trade your gold for their gravel."

4. Be aware of hostile attitudes in others, then realize they need not influence you any more than "a slashing storm can affect a beam of light!"

5. Inward right action relieves us completely of concern over results in our outward actions.

Thanks James and all here, you are great teachers!

[Hart1]

Tower:

""You state your opinion as fact or "information." ""

Really, I used "My current viewpoint" too and often, why did you leave this out? sort of changes your context, does it not? Now it is my turn to "guess" about you: I think you are confusing confidence with your fear of what I offered to James.

"""You...."""
"""you..."""
""you...."""

lol. I have never approached anyone like this ever. Kettle, pot, black? Who knows?

"""You state your opinion as fact or "information." You fail to see that you are just the same as the rest of u..."""

False, never, ever claimed any information here as "Fact"

However, it is a fact that "there is another way" to address James problem. True?

"""""Everyone here sees you as narcissistic"""

Everyone? Is that a fact? How do you know? Even if this was the case, Argumentum Ad Populum is really a fallacy that does not prove anything. Nice try...


Once more, sorry, that was not my intent!

[tower]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:

No, no! Please don't' feel bad. I only wish that we had this discussion in person, instead of this forum. I am confident it would have gone on very differently.
<span class="ev_code_RED">AGAIN YOU DELUDE YOURSELF.</span>

This interaction with people like Paragon has taught me how to stay on the esoteric path:
<span class="ev_code_RED">MORE ARROGANCE. YOU ARE NOWHERE NEAR AS ADVANCED A BEING AS PARAGON.</span>

2. I must work on my anxious craving for approval from others.
<span class="ev_code_RED">THUS FAR, THIS IS THE ONLY POINT UPON WHICH WE AGREE.</span>

3. I need to be aware of involvement with interesting but immature people. "Do not trade your gold for their gravel."
<span class="ev_code_RED">YOUR EGOTISM IS DEAFENING, EVEN TO YOU! WHY DO YOU CALL THEM IMMATURE AND IMPLY THAT YOU ARE MATURE? WHY IS THEIRS GRAVEL BUT YOURS GOLD?</span>

4. Be aware of hostile attitudes in others, then realize they need not influence you any more than "a slashing storm can affect a beam of light!"

5. Inward right action relieves us completely of concern over results in our outward actions.
<span class="ev_code_RED">DON'T YOU SEE THE OBVIOUS PITFALL HERE? THIS IS PERFECT JUSTIFICATION FOR A NARROW MINDED ARROGANT JERK TO DO WHATEVER HE OR SHE WANTS, REGARDLESS OF CONSEQUENCES. WHO MADE YOU THE ARBITER OF WHAT IS RIGHT? WHAT IF WHAT YOU SEE AS INWARD RIGHT IS ALL WRONG?</span>

Thanks James and all here, you are great teachers!
<span class="ev_code_RED">I HOPE SO!</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

Ok, it seems harty-boy doesn't quite have a grasp on the English language. And, as much as I hate to, I must point out another one of his absolutely stupid remarks. Which was, "False, never, ever claimed any information here as "Fact"." Normally I don't care about semantics but I realize that harty is stretching quite a bit and trying his best at it and feel beholden to point a few areas of the many where he has fallen short. But, dude, come on, "information" is nothing but a bunch of facts. If you provide information, you provide facts, anything else (as in your case) is false information.

[PARAGON]

Take the esoteric path to the local library and look up "information" in the dictionary.

[Hart1]

Hey Tower:

You left out #1. Why?

Your 100% negative take on these important, proven, powerful points is only what can really come out of you, at this time. I understand.

Thank you for teaching me what kind of a person you really are. Your insults, false claims, and false statements really show how you deal with issues, life and others in your life. And I am sure it shows, too. Good luck.

With regret, trying to reason any further with you is like trying to give medicine to a dead man. A waste of time and effort.

From a calm beholder of life---

Hart

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Take the esoteric path to the local library and look up "information" in the dictionary </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't really need to. There are differnt types of information; little or no information; false information and the like. Let me guess, Alpo?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Don't really need to. There are differnt types of information; little or no information; false information and the like. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh.... Oh... we are getting close to enlightenment. Now you admit that you have done nothing but provide "little or no information; false information and the like." I think you are getting close my little locust.

[PARAGON]

I hope today is your day off. I would hate to know that the "affluent" tax payers of your "respected" city that you "interact" with so often would approve of you spending your time on the internet posting in a Hummer forum when you should be conducting city business. You think your boss would be understanding?

[tower]

Dear Hart1,

You are not a client of mine. You are not a student of mine. Consequently, you are not paying me. If you were any of these things, I would keep kicking your ass all over the Internet until you mustered up some true humility. I have tried, repeatedly, to point out where you hubris is your demise. It distances you from people and makes for a life so unfulfilling that you must misinterpret platitudes in a feeble attempt to feign superiority. You are blinded by self-delusion and therefore cannot learn. Until the universe kicks your ass many more times, really severely, I don't see that you will. I'm done. I have nothing left to contribute to you. Have a good life. The rest of this thread is yours.

[Andy C]

I have lost the will to live.

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
Dear Hart1,

You are not a client of mine. You are not a student of mine. Consequently, you are not <span class="ev_code_RED">a grasshopper of mine.</span>. If you were any of these things, I would keep kicking your ass all over the <span class="ev_code_RED">H2Source</span>until you mustered up some true <span class="ev_code_RED">h2 huevos {(h is silent) pronounced wavoes}</span>. I have tried, repeatedly, to point out where you<span class="ev_code_RED">r</span> hubris is your demise. It distances you from people and makes for a life so unfulfilling that you must misinterpret platitudes in a feeble attempt to feign superiority. You are blinded by self-delusion and therefore cannot learn. Until the universe kicks your ass many more times, really severely, I don't see that you will. I'm done. I have nothing left to contribute to you. Have a good life<span class="ev_code_RED">grasshopper</span>. The rest of this thread is <span class="ev_code_RED">H2 Rox's.</span>. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<span class="ev_code_RED">I'm having a shot of tequilla! I recently discovered, in Moab, that tequilla really makes me laugh! And you guys need to take a chill pill. James! You da man! From what you posted, so many posts ago, it sounds like your X employees feelers were hurt cuz you told him he couldn't play "whack f%$k" (there's the f'Bomb for ya) on, was it Friday afternoon? Sometimes these things have a way of working out for the best, whether it's obvious or not. Good Luck!</span>

P.S. Hart1: Sometimes it's best not to piss off the grasshoppers. They'll multiply and eat everything alive! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

W T F is this topic aboot again? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tower,

You're wrong! "An apple" they on the Westcoast. "A apple" they say in the deep south. Both are correct. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can see us all on our next Moab trip. In chairs in front of a blackboard with you as our english teacher. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

My employees are "YES" people.
To my friends(Some are employees) I try hard to be a "YES" man.
I am a "YES" man to my clients.
I am a "YES" man to my wifey's advances. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


...Nothing wrong with being a "YES" man.....Sometimes.

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
W T F is this topic aboot again? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tower,

You're wrong! "An apple" they on the Westcoast. "A apple" they say in the deep south. Both are correct. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can see us all on our next Moab trip. In chairs in front of a blackboard with you as our english teacher. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

My employees are "YES" people.
To my friends(Some are employees) I try hard to be a "YES" man.
I am a "YES" man to my clients.
I am a "YES" man to my wifey's advances. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


...Nothing wrong with being a "YES" man.....Sometimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay. so. Yes in French Canadian is "Oui".(sp)
So there's nothing wrong with being a "Wee" man? er.. I mean "Oui"man?
That's what ya git fer hittin the horn on Lions Back! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

DAMN! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'll be installing a bigger horn for the next climb to Lion's. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HUMMERDOGG]

Hart1-

You've got a true money maker and you don't even know it. I'll help you out though.

1)Print off all of your posts in this thread. 2)Then take those pages of posts and make them into a book.
3)Title the book-Enlightenment for Bosses...
4)Now, here's the kicker, take your Enlightenment book and refer to it as "Nothing" and then charge "something" for it...

As Paragon has demonstrated before in another thread (that was as meaningful as this one), you'll definitely get something for your book of nothing...

[Klaus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
"A apple" they say in the deep south. Both are correct. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would expect that kind of talk out of a yankee from Boston or New York City! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Hart1]

By way of explanation:

I went to bed last night, very perplexed, on what had happened here. I let the effect of a good nights sleep work a solution to my concerns. Waking up, I realized that it is very easy for some to criticize people and beliefs that they know little or nothing about. So, in the effort to achieve understanding with some here in the H2 community, here is a very condensed background of where I have been:

I was raised a Jehovah’s Witness (yes, I was the person knocking at your door offering magazines, or a free home Bible study). From 10 years of age, to 40 (I am now 45), I was a JW. The JWs are a very controlling religion. Do not celebrate holidays, you cannot vote, higher education is looked down up-on, you must agree with the group or you are disfellowshipped, any non approved teachings were rejected (Tower would fit right in with the Jws) and you were chastised if you did not fall in line.

At any rate, I knew I did not fit in. I could not subscribe to the thinking that everyone but the Jws are saved, nor the controlling of almost every aspect of your life. When I was 18, I bucked the system and went on to college and obtained a degree, I was marked and shunned. I worked my way back in, in fact to the point of becoming and Elder, setting on committee, judging and keeping the sheep in line.

It came to the point were I (and my wife) had a "crisis of conscience," and voluntarily left the Jws. An announcement was read at no less than five congregations in are area, and just like that, all our so called friends refused to talk to us.

The very first act in my freedom was to register to vote, for the very first time in my life (my very first vote was for Bush four years ago, what a thrill).

However, I was lost in life. Tower was correct, two years ago, I was a lot like most or, “the rest of us”; Strained relationships with my wife and kids, worried about employee loyalty, treating people harshly with insults for ego-gratification when provoked, IRS problems, and constant discontent with how life was treating me.

Can anyone here relate? Most can, if even on one situation.

Like James, my first reaction to situations like his was being “pissed” and the like. After Tower & Paragon’s “observations” concerning me as a person, two years ago, I would have responded in like manner, anger, red typing, insults, and could have got just as “in your face” as anyone here. Two years ago, I would have fit right in.

Two years ago I became a seeker. I had to, I felt my only next option was the final exit. That’s right, taking my life. I began a diligent search for the truth. To make a very long story short, I was pointed to the Works of true “esoteric” teachers that have changed my thinking, which has changed my life.

To understand what transformed my way of thinking, I point to the works of Kant, Dr. Scott Peck, Vernon Howard, and the Honorable Master Kit Kwon, just to name a few. What Tower mistakenly labels as Narcissism , these profound esoteric Teachers call Self-Trust. What Tower credits as group approval, the Higher Truth shows that you are on the right “esoteric” path when you can stand alone.

By reflecting and applying the “wisdom of the ages” in my life, I have corrected all the situations to a very large degree. I love life now. The funny thing is, none of the above had to change, I had to. I know, some will shake their head in disbelief, I sure did, but little by little, This power has proved itself in my life. I found that It is entirely possible for one to live unburdened by one crisis after another. I have found that outside forces or what happens in life changes for the better as I change. Friends, money, kids, all react with this new effort for a new life.

Remember, I am making along story short here. There is much more, but the limitations here prevent it.

At any rate, what do you do with good news? You share it! With confidence and self-trust. I have found this out in my life, Yes, there is a way out of the human jungle, yes, there is another way!

I hope this clears any misconception about my intent.

I believe if one examines my post history here, I am a productive poster (I am a newbie H2 owner).

I hope I am welcome here.

Hart

[JamesT]

Of course you are welcome here!!!! Different opinions and personalities, and yes, even religous belifes are what makes this forum so great.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would expect that kind of talk out of a yankee from Boston or New York City! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am a Native Son of the great State of Texas and a stanch Republican. Amazing, huh?

Paragon: Nope, all postings are on my time and my computer (though, in fact, I am non-exempt and not on a clock), nice try, you will find a way to get me one day, I am sure of it! Keep trying.

[Hart1]

JamesT:

Thanks http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You have made my day!

[Andy C]

Hart - you are more than welcome here - even if I dont have a clue what you are talking about - keep posting though - you never know - one day I will understand.

[Klaus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would expect that kind of talk out of a yankee from Boston or New York City! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am a Native Son of the great State of Texas and a stanch Republican. Amazing, huh?

Paragon: Nope, all postings are on my time and my computer (though, in fact, I am non-exempt and not on a clock), nice try, you will find a way to get me one day, I am sure of it! Keep trying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hart,

My comment was not aimed at you. Dennis throws a bomb at the South every once in a while just to stir the pot. No real harm done.

I'd like Dennis to visit the South and see the sights. Maybe drop him off in North Georgia for a canoe trip! You know - Where they filmed Deliverance! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dennis could help them with their grammar, and they could well... Show him how the movie was made! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/tc/cstudies/imagesequence/deliverance2/deliverance_2_16.jpg

[XM DUDE]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oldhiker:
You did the right thing. Someone like that can take down morale in a heartbeat. If you made his life miserable, he could sue you for a hostile environment.

To all you non-business owners, what you see is the perks (rewards) that we, as business owners, are entitled to. What you don’t see is the sleepless nights about making payroll, paying the mortgage, etc. We take the risks, why can’t we have the benefits.

As I told an employee when he complained that he couldn’t pay his bills but I had a fancy car – “If I fail and close, you lose a job. I, on the other hand, lose ALL my perks, benefits, rewards and all my other possessions. House and cars included. I am the person taking all the risks, not you.” Then I used the now famous words – You’re fired!

I pay people to work for me, not be my friend. Everyone is here at my place because they are getting paid to do a job. No one works for free. If they are not happy and do not perform, then they are basically “stealing” a paycheck every week.

It’s funny how different everything looks like from this side of the desk. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't and never have owned a business, but I am thakful that there are people like you willing to risk it all to run a buisness and you deserve the perks and if employees have attitude problems, they can take theme somewhere else, you don't need that crap, oh and I have never gotten a job from a poor person eather.

[HUMMERDOGG]

Hart1-

You are as original as MAC was. I enjoy the spirited posts. Keep it up. It at least gives us something to debate.

Late.

[Harley]

god damn, hart, shut up for a few, will you?!!

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
Hart,

My comment was not aimed at you. Dennis throws a bomb at the South every once in a while just to stir the pot. No real harm done.

I'd like Dennis to visit the South and see the sights. Maybe drop him off in North Georgia for a canoe trip! You know - Where they filmed Deliverance! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dennis could help them with their grammar, and they could well... Show him how the movie was made! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/tc/cstudies/imagesequence/deliverance2/deliverance_2_16.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!!! That movie still creeps me out! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
Hart,

My comment was not aimed at you. Dennis throws a bomb at the South every once in a while just to stir the pot. No real harm done.

I'd like Dennis to visit the South and see the sights. Maybe drop him off in North Georgia for a canoe trip! You know - Where they filmed Deliverance! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dennis could help them with their grammar, and they could well... Show him how the movie was made! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/tc/cstudies/imagesequence/deliverance2/deliverance_2_16.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!!!! That movie still creeps me out! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Trust me Dennis, you wouldn't understand Appalachia at all. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Klaus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
Trust me Dennis, you wouldn't understand Appalachia at all. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's a test for Dennis:

Audio Test (http://www.destgulch.com/movies/deliver/deliv37.wav)

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Klaus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
Trust me Dennis, you wouldn't understand Appalachia at all. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's a test for Dennis:

Audio Test (http://www.destgulch.com/movies/deliver/deliv37.wav) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah Klaus, wouldn't it be interesting to send Dennis back in one of our "off limits" hollers for about 30 days.

[Klaus]

Yep... Here's his directions! (http://www.destgulch.com/movies/deliver/deliv34.wav) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

Trust me, 4 flats won't stop me from running over theys feet!

Dis colored boy just keep drivin! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Run over the gimp!" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Trust me, 4 flats won't stop me from running over theys feet!

Dis colored boy just keep drivin! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Run over the gimp!" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Who said send you back there in a vehicle???? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif But it wouldn't matter. Last time I made a "wrong" turn in a holler I was met by about 4 very unsavory "fellas" with guns, knives, and a machete or two that made their point very clear. Most never come out.

[DRTYFN]

Ok, Klaus & LV are scary, not in a "boo" Count Chocula kind of way, but in a "Oh ****, my rectum is in immenent danger" kind of way.

[LasVegas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
......... "Oh ****, my rectum is in immenent danger" kind of way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And that's if you're lucky! It's your life you gotta worry about.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LasVegas:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
......... "Oh ****, my rectum is in immenent danger" kind of way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And that's if you're lucky! It's your life you gotta worry about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bunch of whimps. You've never met my In-laws. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DennisAJC]

I'll invite you to camp in our woods. B.C. is #2 in the world for Satanic worshippers.

[tower]

That explains SO much. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Klaus]

Here's another training film for hospitality in this part of the world: http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Klaus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tower:
That explains SO much. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Paragon: Nope, all postings are on my time and my computer (though, in fact, I am non-exempt and not on a clock), nice try, you will find a way to get me one day, I am sure of it! Keep trying. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'll be, I left for the ranch on Friday and missed some more fun. Can't believe I missed the Deliverance stuff. Also, can't believe I missed our harty boy and some more of his stupidity. Ok, let's see how he tries to talk himself out of this one.

Harty, notice in your quote above where you say that "though, in fact, I am non-exempt and not on a clock." Maybe you need to try to study a little English because you suck at it. Non-exempt means that you are LIABLE. Of course, you meant to say that you were EXEMPT because of your high position as division head in the affluent well-respected city. But alas, you screwed up again and stupidly tried to be sound smart and said NON-EXEMPT.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't let this one stop at only 8 pages. ESpecially with goofy ole harty screwing up again.

[h2co-pilot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Ok, Klaus & LV are scary, not in a "boo" Count Chocula kind of way, but in a ..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A reference to Count Chocula...LMAO!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

love it.

[PARAGON]

Only here at the H2 forum can you get your Count Chocula and Froot Loops all together.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
Only here at the H2 forum can you get your Count Chocula and Froot Loops all together. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/rofl.gif

[KenP]

Google images "Squeal like a pig"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=squeal+like+a+pig&btnG=Search

Look at the second pic from the left. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[PARAGON]

NO WAY!!!!!

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
NO WAY!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>WAY! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by Hart1:
Paragon: Nope, all postings are on my time and my computer (though, in fact, I am non-exempt and not on a clock), nice try, you will find a way to get me one day, I am sure of it! Keep trying.
I'll be, I left for the ranch on Friday and missed some more fun. Can't believe I missed the Deliverance stuff. Also, can't believe I missed our harty boy and some more of his stupidity. Ok, let's see how he tries to talk himself out of this one.

Harty, notice in your quote above where you say that "though, in fact, I am non-exempt and not on a clock." Maybe you need to try to study a little English because you suck at it. Non-exempt means that you are LIABLE. Of course, you meant to say that you were EXEMPT because of your high position as division head in the affluent well-respected city. But alas, you screwed up again and stupidly tried to be sound smart and said NON-EXEMPT.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't let this one stop at only 8 pages. ESpecially with goofy ole harty screwing up again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Greetings Paragon, and welcome back:

I had a slight concern that this would backfire as way too obvious. But, it did not, even with “hints” of “try again” and “you will catch me...”. You took the bait. Like the proverbial fly on ****, you hopped on this and did not disappoint.

The point? To demonstrate that mechanical thinking persons, like Paragon, are predictable and can be easily manipulated. Why? Because obsessive, belligerent, presumptuous, negative people are predictable and can be easily manipulated. It is the duty of all free thinkers to see through these types of people. That way, awareness relieves one of feeling insulted and hurt. In fact, you have the power.

However, the truth may shock, but it never hurts, it can only heal. How can this information benefit Paragon? All he needs is courage. In fact, it takes a lot of courage to give up having an enemy. One profound Teacher of Esotericism rightly expressed it this way:

“Unawakened people demand enemies, for enemies provide a fierce agitation, and emotional thrill, which they tragically hold onto as life. As we dare to give up enemies we enter a void, experience it fully and eventually emerge on the other side of life.”

I hope Paragon reflects on this. Mechanical thinking is a gigantic hoax that few people see through it.

I eagerly await your response, hoping for the best. If negative, then I will examine the next few days of your emotional floods and discuss them in the context of using “non-identification” as a way of defeating this type of hypnotic sleep.

[Hart1]

Sfox: you KNOW http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">God this is some funny **** </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great God, someone is finally "getting it"

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1
"as a way of defeating this type of hypnotic sleep." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure hope you come up with something soon - that is exactly the state of mind that I am in after reading this ****e.

As I said before WTF are you on about.

And I would still have fired the prick.

[PARAGON]

First, I'll warn you. You are way over your head. One should not assume things as others have tried in the past. You start first by lying about your posts, yourself and things in general. I can promise you this, freethinking is not the answer. Enlightenment, as you so dearly hold, is nothing but an excuse to scab over the past emotions of your life that you were unable to handle. By being able to write off the past by now saying that you have the answer to life and that answer involves only being responsible to one's self is the coward's way.

No, my sick friend. You did not intend to type non-exempt, just as you screwed up the a vs. an thing and the other crap. You just simply have a problem wanting to fit in in a place where you obviously do not belong. A place of real men with real lives who do not have to make stuff up to try to brown-nose there way into asking for acceptance from others as you have. You could have avoided all of this by simply being a man. Not lying and accepting when you were wrong. You have argued that the dictionary is wrong and you are right, tried to cover up your stupidity by later saying you meant to do it all the while, all here sees right through you and laugh, laugh.... oh how they are laughing at you.

Let me be so bold to explain enlightenment to you. Enlightenment entails learning, something you have not done. It involves knowledge, something you have shown no hint of. Worst of all enlightenment combines both the good and the bad. You see, to see all, you have to be able to see the absolute worst life can provide as well as see the best. That is enlightenment. Feeble-minded excuse-seekers such as you can't handle the truth and can't live with the knowledge of the bad things in life.

You read a couple of books and quote from others, how about trying something original, your own thought. How about thinking for yourself instead of listening to someone else on how your are supposed to think. Can't do that can you. It's because the world needs balance. It needs buffoons like you to balance out for the true able-minded people that is most representative here.

How's that for context of "non-identification" smart-ass.

[Hart1]

Everything I typed was/is true. Pot, kettle, black? But please, continue...

Thanks for proving my point!

Don't stop, I need more material....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Let me be so bold to explain enlightenment to you </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need, your actions already have....thanks!

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
Google images "Squeal like a pig"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=squeal+like+a+pig&btnG=Search

Look at the second pic from the left. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif "A Pickin and A Grinnin!" That's some serious Enlightenment! Thanks for the laugh!

[tower]

Hart,

I wasn't going to continue on this thread, but I simply cannot tolerate this. You didn't find the Jehovah’s Witness religion to be a good fit. That speaks well for your ability to reason (even if it took years for you to come to that realization). You now have read books by various authors that resonate with you. I'm glad for you. If you can't find your own way, I'm glad that you have guides. But you are now proselytizing with the same fervor you demonstrated in your JW days. You are unwittingly thinking that if this is the way for you, it must be the way for everyone. This is exactly the pitfall of your JW thinking. You are as a man trying to teach basic addition to Gauss. Paragon's comments were spot on. Please stop embarrassing yourself by trying to convince others that you have a superior or esoteric way. No one is buying it. No one here is interested in having you as a teacher.

Since you seem so rapt in the quotations of others, I will leave you with this one. It has a few slightly different forms which have been variously attributed to Abe Lincoln, Mark Twain and Albert Einstein:

“ 'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.”

The absence of a rebuttal from you will prove your ability to learn.

[Andy C]

Eloquently put Tower.

Personally I would have told him to go f@#k himself - but I am Scottish and a little more straight forward.

[Hart1]

Tower:

I will take your post as a sincere effort to communicate. Let me express this:

I just gave my opinion and for the past two days Paragon has shadowed my posts, trying to ridicule and insult. Why have you not spoke up about this?

I have only responded each time to a "Paragon" attack, I have never started it.

Now, why do you ignore this fact? What would you do? I have a right to expose this for what it is. A waste of time.

Reread this topic and my other posts, and let the readers decide!

I look forward to your fair, balanced views.

[Hart1]

PS:

Everyone here has put forth "opinions" and what they believe should be done, all the time. To use the "straw man argument" and imply that I have no less a right is ludicrous. Like others thoughts, please leave or take mine. Tha's all anyone has to do.

Unlike you, I look forward to your views.

If you are honest as you claim, you would at least grant some of these points to me.

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
Tower:

I will take your post as a sincere effort to communicate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You see this is the problem with these esoterical wankers - they feel that they are on a level of enlightenment that us mere mortals will never be able to transcend to.

Newsflash boyo - no one gives a flying shag about your views and the fact that we are making an "effort" to communicate with you has nothing to do with wanting to reach your level of higher spiritual awareness - it has more to do with getting you to shut the f@#k up.

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:

Reread this topic and my other posts, and let the readers decide!

I look forward to your fair, balanced views. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK - I have reread this topic - I thought long and hard about this - yes I would have fired the prick.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You see this is the problem with these esoterical wankers - they feel that they are on a level of enlightenment that us mere mortals will never be able to transcend to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never, ever said this, at all. In fact, the way is there for all, if you would take the time to find it, IMHO.

If Paragon stops the attacks, I will not respond. This is the land of "the right" to self defense, right?

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
In fact, the way is there for all, if you would take the time to find it, IMHO.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately I barely have the time to read this - I have sent out one of my assistants to see if he can find "The Way" - he should be getting back to me later on that one.

Just out of interest - is there a web site or anything that we can look at to find "The Way" - it will probably save us a bit of time.

[Andy C]

Awwh **** - I just fired one of my assistants - I overheard him saying to one of my guys outside that "The boss has lost his f@#$%#g mind - muttering on about finding the way and sending me out to look for it"

Did I do the right thing, esotericaly speaking of course.

[ROX]

ROTFLMAO!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Just out of interest - is there a web site or anything that we can look at to find "The Way" - it will probably save us a bit of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dr. Peck’s “The Road Less Traveled” is a great starting Point. You could go on the web and search for Kant’s discourse on the Mind and the “Greater Good” of “Moral Worth.” Vernon Howard’s works are located at Amazon.com.

Unfortunately, Master Kitt’s works are long out of print (in english), however, if you are really interested, PM me and I will loan you what I have collected.

Hope this helps, it sure has made a difference in my life.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You see this is the problem with these esoterical wankers - they feel that they are on a level of enlightenment that us mere mortals will never be able to transcend to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never, ever said this, at all. In fact, the way is there for all, if you would take the time to find it, IMHO.

If Paragon stops the attacks, I will not respond. This is the land of "the right" to self defense, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He didn't say you said it. na-na-nay-boo-boo. He said you feel that.

Dude, you have the world all backwards. Your bitching and whining and your idiotic attempts at intelligent conversation is the reason I play with you. Quit being the such a loser and you draw no attention. You couldn't keep quiet for 10 minutes after Tower gave you the out. You had another opportunity to redeem yourself but, man, I don't know, you just don't see the light. At all.

You quite flatter yourself by labeling my toying with you as "attacks." It's nearly as comical as your statement about your "self defense." The defense for stupidity is not more stupidity. While I was gone, you went on to attempt to drum up support for your fragile ego and hope that some of the over 2,000 forum members will come rushing to your dire aid because you feel so unjustly "attacked."

I will have to defer to Tower, because in my many several posts I was unable to properly address you is such a correct, concise and genuine manner. Yet it went straight over your head and you instead attempted to deflect it to me in a crippled manner by suggesting that you will cease your responses upon no further "attacks" from me. Oh, I can see it now, a 12 pager and all about nothing. You failed to miss the part where I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Awwh **** - I just fired one of my assistants - I overheard him saying to one of my guys outside that "The boss has lost his f@#$%#g mind - muttering on about finding the way and sending me out to look for it"

Did I do the right thing, esotericaly speaking of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In order to obtain harmony, you and your staff must act like a wolf pack, not like a six pack. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">m </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You failed to miss the part where I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wont even go that low http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SFOX: lol!!!

[ROX]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You see this is the problem with these esoterical wankers - they feel that they are on a level of enlightenment that us mere mortals will never be able to transcend to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never, ever said this, at all. In fact, the way is there for all, if you would take the time to find it, IMHO.

If Paragon stops the attacks, I will not respond. This is the land of "the right" to self defense, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He didn't say you said it. na-na-nay-boo-boo. He said you feel that.

Dude, you have the world all backwards. Your bitching and whining and your idiotic attempts at intelligent conversation is the reason I play with you. Quit being the such a loser and you draw no attention. You couldn't keep quiet for 10 minutes after Tower gave you the out. You had another opportunity to redeem yourself but, man, I don't know, you just don't see the light. At all.

You quite flatter yourself by labeling my toying with you as "attacks." It's nearly as comical as your statement about your "self defense." The defense for stupidity is not more stupidity. While I was gone, you went on to attempt to drum up support for your fragile ego and hope that some of the over 2,000 forum members will come rushing to your dire aid because you feel so unjustly "attacked."

I will have to defer to Tower, because in my many several posts I was unable to properly address you is such a correct, concise and genuine manner. Yet it went straight over your head and you instead attempted to deflect it to me in a crippled manner by suggesting that you will cease your responses upon no further "attacks" from me. Oh, I can see it now, a 12 pager and all about nothing. You failed to miss the part where I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1: In order to obtain harmony, you and your staff must act like a wolf pack, not like a six pack. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That means he's the leader of the pack and he gets to kick people out of the pack whenever he wants. Then he gets to split the six pack with the remaining, contributing members of his wolf pack. I watch the Discovery Channel; I know this stuff. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
What do I win?

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H2 Rocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You see this is the problem with these esoterical wankers - they feel that they are on a level of enlightenment that us mere mortals will never be able to transcend to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never, ever said this, at all. In fact, the way is there for all, if you would take the time to find it, IMHO.

If Paragon stops the attacks, I will not respond. This is the land of "the right" to self defense, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He didn't say you said it. na-na-nay-boo-boo. He said you feel that.

Dude, you have the world all backwards. Your bitching and whining and your idiotic attempts at intelligent conversation is the reason I play with you. Quit being the such a loser and you draw no attention. You couldn't keep quiet for 10 minutes after Tower gave you the out. You had another opportunity to redeem yourself but, man, I don't know, you just don't see the light. At all.

You quite flatter yourself by labeling my toying with you as "attacks." It's nearly as comical as your statement about your "self defense." The defense for stupidity is not more stupidity. While I was gone, you went on to attempt to drum up support for your fragile ego and hope that some of the over 2,000 forum members will come rushing to your dire aid because you feel so unjustly "attacked."

I will have to defer to Tower, because in my many several posts I was unable to properly address you is such a correct, concise and genuine manner. Yet it went straight over your head and you instead attempted to deflect it to me in a crippled manner by suggesting that you will cease your responses upon no further "attacks" from me. Oh, I can see it now, a 12 pager and all about nothing. You failed to miss the part where I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
I am a disgruntled screenwriter who wanted to work on the show Seinfeld. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1: In order to obtain harmony, you and your staff must act like a wolf pack, not like a six pack. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That means he's the leader of the pack and he gets to kick people out of the pack whenever he wants. Then he gets to split the six pack with the remaining, contributing members of his wolf pack. I watch the Discovery Channel; I know this stuff. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
What do I win? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>A "My other truck is a ZR2" sticker. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What do I win? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You get to pass GO and collect $200. Good Job!

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Just out of interest - is there a web site or anything that we can look at to find "The Way" - it will probably save us a bit of time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dr. Peck’s “The Road Less Traveled” is a great starting Point. You could go on the web and search for Kant’s discourse on the Mind and the “Greater Good” of “Moral Worth.” Vernon Howard’s works are located at Amazon.com.

Unfortunately, Master Kitt’s works are long out of print (in english), however, if you are really interested, PM me and I will loan you what I have collected.

Hope this helps, it sure has made a difference in my life. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man you're hard core - the JWs must still be mourning your loss.

The last one of those guys that I dealt with stood on my doorstep for an hour before it dawned on him I was ripping the piss out of him.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
Man you're hard core - the JWs must still be mourning your loss.

The last one of those guys that I dealt with stood on my doorstep for an hour before it dawned on him I was ripping the piss out of him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And it is still apparently pre-dawn here as well.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Man you're hard core - the JWs must still be mourning your loss.

The last one of those guys that I dealt with stood on my doorstep for an hour before it dawned on him I was ripping the piss out of him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To quickly get rid of Jws, here are some “magic” words that will send them running:

1. “I support the Apostates, join me.”

This will send them packing, pronto. Apostates are ex Jehovah’s, who actively oppose them. An Apostate is worse than a non believer.

2. “I support Ray Franz, he should have never been dis-fellowshipped.”

Ray Franz was on the Governing Body, a secret group of men who make the rules for the Jws. Ray led the fight to try to change the thinking and some doctrines of the Jws. He lost. He is considered the Devil in the flesh on earth.

PS: I know what your are trying to do. Do you know what I am trying to do?

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Awwh **** - I just fired one of my assistants - I overheard him saying to one of my guys outside that "The boss has lost his f@#$%#g mind - muttering on about finding the way and sending me out to look for it"

Did I do the right thing, esotericaly speaking of course. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In order to obtain harmony, you and your staff must act like a wolf pack, not like a six pack. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah you see thats where my leadership style may differ from yours - My world is simple - if you work for me you have to be able to drink heavily - you have to be able to swear proficiently and if you have a reasonable dispute you have to be able to beat me in a fight in the parking lot behind the bar before I listen to what you have to say.

Simple but effective - my guys would kick my arse if I even used the word esoteric - they would automaticaly think I had turned into some raving tree hugging soap dodger and beat me to death.

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Simple but effective - my guys would kick my arse if I even used the word esoteric - they would automaticaly think I had turned into some raving tree hugging soap dodger and beat me to death. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many have been "nailed to the cross" for that exact same reason!

Licking my wounds on the H2 fourm....Hart

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Simple but effective - my guys would kick my arse if I even used the word esoteric - they would automaticaly think I had turned into some raving tree hugging soap dodger and beat me to death. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many have been "nailed to the cross" for that exact same reason!

Licking my wounds on the H2 fourm....Hart </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For being a raving tree hugging soap dodger - whoa that sucks for them.

[Hart1]

Tree hugging? Where did that come from? It is amazing how many here can sling labels on people without winking an eye.

However, looking at this from a pure esoteric viewpoint (sorry Paragon and Tower), I could reply “I am whatever you want me to be.” The fact is, it just really does not matter what you think of me, or I you. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Andy C]

Actually I threw the tree hugger label at myself I think - I just said that my guys would think that I had turned into a raving tree hugging soap dodger if I started using words like esoteric.

And I think that you may be a little more concerned about what we think of you than you are letting on - I quote

"Licking my wounds on the H2 forum"

If you are as unaffected by my Tuesday afternoon ramblings as you claim then where did the wounds come from.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hart1:
PS: I know what your are trying to do. Do you know what I am trying to do? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I know what I am trying to do. Do you know what you are trying to do? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
Ah you see thats where my leadership style may differ from yours - My world is simple - if you work for me you have to be able to drink heavily - you have to be able to swear proficiently and if you have a reasonable dispute you have to be able to beat me in a fight in the parking lot behind the bar before I listen to what you have to say.

Simple but effective - my guys would kick my arse if I even used the word esoteric - they would automaticaly think I had turned into some raving tree hugging soap dodger and beat me to death. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, I need a job. Can I take the one of the guy you just fired. Is this in the lingerie shop or the security business?

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I know what I am trying to do. Do you know what you are trying to do? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know that you know that I know what you know what I am trying to do, did you know that? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I hope you find a job....all the best!

[Hart1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If you are as unaffected by my Tuesday afternoon ramblings as you claim then where did the wounds come from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was, in fact, a vain attempt to get a little sympathy from the hard core H2ers like Paragon. Would you not agree, I am playing to a really tough crowd here..

[Andy C]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
Ah you see thats where my leadership style may differ from yours - My world is simple - if you work for me you have to be able to drink heavily - you have to be able to swear proficiently and if you have a reasonable dispute you have to be able to beat me in a fight in the parking lot behind the bar before I listen to what you have to say.

Simple but effective - my guys would kick my arse if I even used the word esoteric - they would automaticaly think I had turned into some raving tree hugging soap dodger and beat me to death. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, I need a job. Can I take the one of the guy you just fired. Is this in the lingerie shop or the security business? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Security business - the lingerie employee relations are handled a little differently - and trust me you do not qualify.

[KenP]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PARAGON:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Andy C H2 hasbeen:
Ah you see thats where my leadership style may differ from yours - My world is simple - if you work for me you have to be able to drink heavily - you have to be able to swear proficiently and if you have a reasonable dispute you have to be able to beat me in a fight in the parking lot behind the bar before I listen to what you have to say.

Simple but effective - my guys would kick my arse if I even used the word esoteric - they would automaticaly think I had turned into some raving tree hugging soap dodger and beat me to death. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, I need a job. Can I take the one of the guy you just fired. Is this in the lingerie shop or the security business? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Security business - the lingerie employee relations are handled a little differently - and trust me you do not qualify. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Andy, lingere... Can I.... Nevermind. Uh, yeah... I wouldn't qualify either. (Someone else reads this forum now so I have to watch myself. That one was close. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

[h2co-pilot]

What's a matter, afraid you might get in trouble...Do it. Doo it....