I won this ebayauction -03 h2 good/bad?

[Peter etg]

Hi,
As some of you know i´m in Sweden and am trying to find a H2 in the US to bring over here.
I just won this auction. Seems to be an ok deal i think. US 32555.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4548923666&rd=1

I am aware of the water history stated in the description. Does waterhistory allways have to mean big trouble (for me), or could everything just as well work fine in the future?
Since this one was pretty well equiped and low miles i hope i did a decent deal. What do you experts say?
Did i make a decent deal OR the worst deal ever made by a man??
Inputs are appriciated. But please don´t be to hard on me if the deal was really bad http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Thanks a lot
Peter

(p.s it saids "auction ended you were outbid". That is beacuse i also use another user-id. patrikekh)

[Peter etg]

Hi,
As some of you know i´m in Sweden and am trying to find a H2 in the US to bring over here.
I just won this auction. Seems to be an ok deal i think. US 32555.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4548923666&rd=1

I am aware of the water history stated in the description. Does waterhistory allways have to mean big trouble (for me), or could everything just as well work fine in the future?
Since this one was pretty well equiped and low miles i hope i did a decent deal. What do you experts say?
Did i make a decent deal OR the worst deal ever made by a man??
Inputs are appriciated. But please don´t be to hard on me if the deal was really bad http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Thanks a lot
Peter

(p.s it saids "auction ended you were outbid". That is beacuse i also use another user-id. patrikekh)

[Dallion]

Seems to be a good deal, the vehicle looks good. Hmm.. I wouldn't say its a bad deal, I just have bad feelings about any vehicle that has had water damage (or any kind of damage for that matter). Main thing I would be concerned about is if it was fresh water or salt water. That would really be what I would want to find out if I were you. Good luck http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DRTYFN]

For that price you could have found the same thing without the water damage. friggin' EBay shoppers.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Peter etg]

DRTYFN. Thanks a lot. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
DALLION. You have a point. I must check fresh or saltwater. I might be in trouble...

[Dallion]

DRTY is right. Here are a couple of links to similar priced H2's:

First one (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=180701652&dealer_id=81139&car_year=2003&make=AMGEN&distance=300&lang=en&max_price=&model=H2&end_year=2004&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=48044&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=2003&cardist=257#vdptop)

Another (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182627290&dealer_id=56327719&car_year=2004&make=AMGEN&distance=300&lang=en&max_price=&model=H2&end_year=2004&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=48044&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=2003&cardist=117#vdptop)


This one even has a winch (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182777274&dealer_id=56345115&car_year=2003&make=AMGEN&distance=300&lang=en&max_price=&model=H2&end_year=2004&min_price=&first_record=176&pager.offset=175&certified=&address=48044&search_type=both&advanced=&isp=y&start_year=2003&cardist=300)

So they are out there, you just have to look. I personally am not a big fan of any vehicle with water damage, nor would ever own one, but I have had friends who have had water damaged vehicles and no problems... It's whatever makes you happy http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh, and btw the last two H2's are < 30k, anytime I see an H2 < 30k I automatically think something is wrong with it... I am just untrusting I guess http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[LoLo]

I am obviously not an authority, but I will say that I certainly wouldn't have sold MY H2 [no water damage, however] for that (or what I saw on the links above!). So, to me, looks like you did well!

Enjoy it, when you finally GET it! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Peter etg]

Dallion. Yes sometimes one see H2´s for around 20k on cars.com or autotrader.com. I must say that they all are frauds. I have been in contact with so many of them and they all want deposits via some kind of escrowsites. Of course they don´t have any truck for sale and the escrowthing is not existing. Money goes straight into their pocket.

[Peter etg]

LoLo. Now i feel better http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Peter etg]

Dallion. The first link you mentioned seems to be a very basic model w no lux. pk and w clothseats.

[DennisAJC]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
For that price you could have found the same thing without the water damage. friggin' EBay shoppers.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that H2 belongs to Argo? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

Oh no, his was burgundy, and it smelled like muddy water, puke & beer inside.http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[W1N]

Peter,

I have to go with Dallion and DRTY. I've seen you here before and I have to ask what's with the obsession of ebay and damaged vehicles? Do you actually think you can save money by buying a damaged vehicle in lowered price and buying it over the Internet.

First, I wouln't buy a damaged vehile over the Internet ever period. Adding to that the fact that servicing the H2 in Europe is MUCH more expencive than in the US and damaged vehicle is more likely to need service.
Second, I sent you the Autotrader.com a while ago, and I honestly think you can get better deals from there. Most of the sales is done by dealers so you might be able to negotiate the price even more.

If you are looking for a used vehicle there is only a slight chance that you'll get all the options you want. So I would go for the reliability and TCO first and then other stuff. Most of which you can get from the aftermarket anyways...

My opinion is that if you put together eBay and damaged vehicle and exporting it to Europe is that you are going to get hurt.

Thanks!

[Ed G.]

Something is fishy. If it has had so much replaced how could it not have a water damaged title or salvage title?

[KenP]

W1N, I suggested to Peter to get a hold of you and/or Eldar. You both are experienced in this.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KenP:
W1N, I suggested to Peter to get a hold of you and/or Eldar. You both are experienced in this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks!

I'll be glad to help him.

[Peter etg]

Thanks all for your thoughts. The thing is that many people have told me before that a waterdamaged car does not allways have to be terrible. So can you explain what could happen in worse case w the truck in the future?(salt/fresh water.)
Seller mentioned in the description that the truck had been in the shop for some work/change of parts. Due to this it does not mean that it should be safe enough to buy you think?

W1N I do search autotrader.com, but it seems hard to find a H2 for less than 35000 w decent miles. But thanks for the link.

Peter

[Peter etg]

By looking at the pictures, it looks like the truck is "sitting little low" on the rear wheels. Like it is kind of lower in the rear. is it just the pics or me?

[W1N]

Hello Peter!

You can always check the www.carfax.com (http://www.carfax.com) if you have the VIN number of the vehicle. It doesn't quarantee anything, but the cost of $30 or so you might get valuable info.

thanks!

[Peter etg]

Dallion. Is it posible for you to check this one on carfax for me?
You got PM btw.

thanks peter

[Peter etg]

No positiv responses to my winning item?

[VTSTOMPER]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by etg:
By looking at the pictures, it looks like the truck is "sitting little low" on the rear wheels. Like it is kind of lower in the rear. is it just the pics or me? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well it says that the air ride relay is not working...that is probably why.

[Peter etg]

Thanks all for your thoughts. The thing is that many people have told me before that a waterdamaged car does not allways have to be terrible. So can you explain what could happen in worse case w the truck in the future?(salt/fresh water.)
Seller mentioned in the description that the truck had been in the shop for some work/change of parts. Due to this it does not mean that it should be safe enough to buy you think?

[Ed G.]

etg,
No offense, but you get what you pay for. You seem to be looking for something cheap, maybe a little too cheap.

Ed

[W1N]

etg,

I've tried to tell you this. Go to Al Sierra Hummer (http://www.michiganhummer.com/index.cfm?action=home) and you can find pretty good deals of new Hummers. And you can also be sure that you get premium quality. If you insist of buying a used Hummer, I believe you'll be better off with getting one from Germany and tax would less too. Check out www.mobile.de (http://www.mobile.de/). They have many used hummers much closer than US.

Thanks!

[Peter etg]

W1N. Thanks. I spend some time at mobile.de. Prices not very good though. Most of the prices there are without VAT and european custom.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by etg:
W1N. Thanks. I spend some time at mobile.de. Prices not very good though. Most of the prices there are without VAT and european custom. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not sure about swedish law, but I would assume it is not as strict as Finnish legistlation concerning vehicles. However, for us in Finland taxes goes as follows in case of importing a used vehicle into the contry. Hummer is considered as heavy truck since its weight is over 3500 kg. There are no vehicle tax for us in heavy trucks, but we have to pay the sales tax 22%. So if I import a 37000€ H2 (used) from Germany, it would be something like 42700€. Price breakdown below:

Price 37 000,00 €
Sales tax 22% 8 140,00 €
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Total 45 140,00 €


I think you should check this out, because you could get the whole thing done much easier, faster and less stress if are threated similiarly as we are. BUT, if you are looking to get new H2 then you should shop US. But you wouldn't be shopping eBay for flooded vehicles, if you were... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

For all of you who are interested 2004 H2 in Germany go for aproximately $47k and the in Finland it is about $115k, these are just basic luxury versions with 10000 miles on them... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Ed G.]

Peter,
I just got off the phone with Larry Oas at Classic Hummer in Grapevine Texas. This is where I purchased my H2 they're great people. He informed me that it is against their policy to ship NEW Hummers overseas. They've done it before and have been slapped and fined by GM for doing so. It is possible to get around the "rules" but their dealership will not do it. He said he would introduce you to their pre-owned Hummer sales department, as it is ok to ship vehicles that have been registered in the US and the owner has wished to have their vehicle shipped overseas.

You can contact Larry at Larry@ClassicHummer.com
Be sure to mention that Ed Gagnon had refered you in your email. I'm not getting anything for the referal, but he said he receives many emails from overseas and wants to be sure that he answers yours as soon as possible.

Good Luck,
Ed


I'm not promising anything, just trying to help.

[Peter etg]

Ed. Thanks a lot. I will get in touch w him and see what he has. I am aware of the fact that dealers are not allowed to export brandnew cars/trucks. Lot of them registrate the car on somoneelse for a day and then ship it as used.
Not all dealers. Some.

W1N. When i buy a car outside of the EU it works as following:

Purchase
Inlandshipping US to closest port
Portfee US
Insurance
Overseasshipping to Gothenburg
Feeport Gothenburg
-------
I have to pay 10% in Custom on all the costs above added together.
AND
Ontop of all the costs above incl. the the custom, i have to pay 25% in VAT.
Then it has to be transported to Stockholm.
Then it has to be modified a bit to be able to registrate( mod. + reg are apprx. US 1500)

So at the end, the car/truck will be very expensive for me before it is outside of my house. So because of this, i really need to find one not to expensive. I do understand that "you sometimes get what you pay for".
Again, what can happen to a flooded car (freshwater) IN WORSE CASE in the future?

Thanks
Peter

[W1N]

Same for me but, not 10%/25% but 22%/22% so over 50% to the original puchase price... And I'm still going for the new, because of the strong euro.

[sclui56]

Peter,

Considering all the fees & VAT you EU folks must dish out, that makes it even more important to get the "best" vehicle you can find. "Best" meaning as new as possible and without any sort of damage.

Last thing you want to happen is to have spent all that euros and have rust bucket in your driveway http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just my 2 cents...

[DRTYFN]

Saying you won a water damaged vehicle on EBay is like saying you won an STD from a hooker.(IMOhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
Peter,

Considering all the fees & VAT you EU folks must dish out, that makes it even more important to get the "best" vehicle you can find. "Best" meaning as new as possible and without any sort of damage.
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Last thing you want to happen is to have spent all that euros and have rust bucket in your driveway http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just my 2 cents... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was too looking foor a used H2 for a while, and if I'll have problems with getting a new from a dealer, I'm forced to get one. But, my primary goal is the get a brand new because the actual price difference of buying one with 3,000 miles on it and new is too small comapared all the work I have to do to get over here. So I'm persistent of getting a new one. And if you know a dealer that is willing to make the $$$ let me know... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Peter etg]

W1N.
I understand and agree. But have you found any good deal on a new one?

Peter

[sclui56]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by W1N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
Peter,

Considering all the fees & VAT you EU folks must dish out, that makes it even more important to get the "best" vehicle you can find. "Best" meaning as new as possible and without any sort of damage.
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Last thing you want to happen is to have spent all that euros and have rust bucket in your driveway http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just my 2 cents... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was too looking foor a used H2 for a while, and if I'll have problems with getting a new from a dealer, I'm forced to get one. But, my primary goal is the get a brand new because the actual price difference of buying one with 3,000 miles on it and new is too small comapared all the work I have to do to get over here. So I'm persistent of getting a new one. And if you know a dealer that is willing to make the $$$ let me know... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A franchised dealer is forbidden by GM to export an unregistered (new) vehicle, that's not to say that it is not done. I ran into a similar situation when exporting a MBZ from the US few years back.

Just spoke with the lady at a dealership where I got mine and she basically said that for a new vehicle, it needs to be registered and tax/license fees paid, then depending on the state where the vehicle is registered, it may take up to 60 days before you get the title (ownership), which is required for customs.

OTOH, she also said they had done a few for customers with very low miles, in fact, they had one last week with 500 miles on it & is considered used as the owner changed his mind & went with the SUT. She also said that the used vehicle can be shipped a lot sooner but she couldn;t explain to me why so as the paper work has still to go through the DMV. She said she'll call back as she needs to get some more info from the manager.

I am with you in terms of the price differential, the bottom line is that the savings in a used one is probably not that much in the overall scheme of things. I am sort of doing the reverse right now as I am trying to bring a SMART here, tired of waiting for the limited sources here http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[W1N]

Thanks sclui56,

I'm kinda picky when it comes to getting a new ride http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'm also planning to upgrade it with Lingenfelter 500hp package, so do you think (can you check) I could have the Lingenfelter to buy it and then I could buy it fron them, once they have done the tune-up. It will thave to be atleast 30 days at the shop anyways. Only thing is that I need to have the taxes dropped since I don't have pay them to US if exporting goods...

What chanses do I have finding a very low milage H2 with all the options I'm looking for.

This is it what I'm looking:
Black H2 with lux
+ sunroof
+ factory chrome fuel door
+ black roof rail handles

Nothing more or nothing less, I'll do the rest myself http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

btw, where in CA is Encino?

Thanks!!!

[sclui56]

I think you need to contact Lingenfelter for the info you seek. I would imagine they need to take possession of the vehicle first, which means tax & license fees paid, but who knows what some of these tuners would do. I think your requirement is fairly common, though I have yet to see one fitted with the factory fuel foor nor the grab bars, either one of these items are easily come by (by US reference point of course), and both of them are not time-consuming to put on. You may want to check on the fuel door status, when I bought mine it came with a locking gas cap, but I've heard they since stopped shipping the gas cap, it's not a big deal, just an extra item to source.

I'll let you know soon as I get more info from the dealer.

Encino is approx. 20 miles N by NW of LAX. This is probably very premature, but do you have a color in mind? Are you looking for a later 05 production with the factory tire carrier as well as the extra brake lights on the rear bumper caps?

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
I think you need to contact Lingenfelter for the info you seek. I would imagine they need to take possession of the vehicle first, which means tax & license fees paid, but who knows what some of these tuners would do. I think your requirement is fairly common, though I have yet to see one fitted with the factory fuel foor nor the grab bars, either one of these items are easily come by (by US reference point of course), and both of them are not time-consuming to put on. You may want to check on the fuel door status, when I bought mine it came with a locking gas cap, but I've heard they since stopped shipping the gas cap, it's not a big deal, just an extra item to source.

I'll let you know soon as I get more info from the dealer.

Encino is approx. 20 miles N by NW of LAX. This is probably very premature, but do you have a color in mind? Are you looking for a later 05 production with the factory tire carrier as well as the extra brake lights on the rear bumper caps? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks!

I'm kinda between 2005 and waiting for 2006 to come out. Anyways, I definitely want to get rid of the tire carrier and have the spare placed inside as it used to be. I didn't know about the brake light upgrade. Do you know a site that have pictures of them? I would imagine I dislike them too, so my question is does 2004 back bumper and plastic cover, licence plate light and installing hardware for the in-cabin sparetire fit later 2005 and 2006 models. My H2 will be black, no questions asked http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You are right about some of the options I long for are types that can be aquired and installed later so they will be not a show stopper for me. But I often see used H2's with different other options on them and I'm little sceptic about taking them off once they have been installed (like brush guard etc.) I would also like to have factory black tubular step rather than chrome, but I believe that exchange is quite easily fixed with pretty much any Hummer dealer out there.

Thanks a great deal!

btw, is this considered used??? -> Black H2 (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=182057927&dealer_id=892869&car_year=2005&search_type=used&make=AMGEN&model=H2&transmission=&distance=0&address=46733&make2=&advanced=y&certified=&max_mileage=15000&max_price=&min_price=&end_year=2006&color=Black&start_year=2005&drive=&color2=&isp=y&engine=&doors=&fuel=&lang=en&cardist=182)

[Peter etg]

W1N I don´t know about Finland. But when registrating a car coming from outside of the EU to sweden everything needs to be standard.
For example a Lingenfelter would not be accepted buy the registrationauthorities over here.
You might wan´t to check the regulations in Finland.


Peter

[sclui56]

W1N,

Here's a pix of the updated 2005's:http://fototime.com/4FAAD81932FCF1D/standard.jpg

For EU use, you may just be able to modify the circuit & turen one of them into a rear fog, which I believe is required?

While I am still waiting for info from the dealer, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to see if any member here is affiliated with dealers on the right (east) coast? Getting the vehicle to port would be a bit easier, not to mention the cost for truck or rail.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
W1N I don´t know about Finland. But when registrating a car coming from outside of the EU to sweden everything needs to be standard.
For example a Lingenfelter would not be accepted buy the registrationauthorities over here.
You might wan´t to check the regulations in Finland.


Peter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you mean by "everything needs to be standard"?

I know that EU has legistlation conserning automotive industry, but it is treated very differently in different countries. Some countries do not follow it at all and some do it very strictly. Finland is very strict about most things (very very strict), but I have not encountered reason why Lingenfelter SC would be prohibited. I've even talked to the authorities about it and only thing there is, is that the vehicle must fulfill certain standards as a whole. Naturally I'll check this right before I have my truck sent to the Lingenfelter, but currently I do not see a problem there.

In Czeck Republic there is Hummer store that sell Lingenfelter packages (both 500hp and 700 hp). http://www.hummer.cz/

Thanks!

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
For EU use, you may just be able to modify the circuit & turen one of them into a rear fog, which I believe is required?

While I am still waiting for info from the dealer, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to see if any member here is affiliated with dealers on the right (east) coast? Getting the vehicle to port would be a bit easier, not to mention the cost for truck or rail. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sclui56,

Right, I need to modify one of the rear light to a fog light, and in the older version one had to be installed. Now these new ones can be used. Thanks for the pictures!!!

I agree that it would be much wiser to deal with east cost dealers since that's were the truck will be shipped out anyways. But, if you can get info from your contact that is extremely valuable for me! What do you think of those Autotrader-adds? Used or new?

Thanks!!!

[Mully]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peter etg:
Thanks all for your thoughts. The thing is that many people have told me before that a waterdamaged car does not allways have to be terrible. So can you explain what could happen in worse case w the truck in the future?(salt/fresh water.)
Seller mentioned in the description that the truck had been in the shop for some work/change of parts. Due to this it does not mean that it should be safe enough to buy you think?

W1N I do search autotrader.com, but it seems hard to find a H2 for less than 35000 w decent miles. But thanks for the link.

Peter </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! My first real chance to post and I can't tell if this thread is a joke or not http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Assuming this isn't a joke...Here's your sign...

Dude, I don't want to be to harsh on you but you need to work on your ebay skills. The seller of that "possible" Hummer has only sold 2 things on ebay with that name! And, one was another trashed car!! Sure he has a 100% positive feedback rating. He probably sold it to his mother. I have bought and sold cars on ebay and by far the most important thing to look at, for me mind you, is the number of items sold, for what value, and the feedback history. You said yourself you have two ebay accounts. If it were me I would NOT pay for this and take the negative feedback. Legal contract or not you were obviously out of your mind when you bid for it. You appear to be regaining your senese now by coming to a community of Hummer owners and asking for advice...LISTEN! Quit bidding on the junkers and get yourself a real one. If you can't afford it buy something else. There has to be more than one car in this world that excites you.

Ok, so, worst case is what you want to know? How about you just blew 32K+ on a Hummer that won't run. You then spend 10K on it to get it right and then you still have problems with it as long as you own it. Water and electrical systems do NOT go well together. Short of gutting all the electrical equipment how will you ever be able to diagnose electrical problems with certainty. I am no mechanic but that would be a fear of mine. So again, worst case, you just bought a 32K+ paper weight. But hey, an upside. Re-list it with ebay as the largest paper weight in the world, find someone who has lost their mind, and maybe you can recapture your loss http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now that I have gently bashed you over the head why don't you PM me. I will work for you free of charge to help you find what you are looking for. I love shopping with other peoples money and I do it responsibly. I also have an open carfax account for a few more weeks so don't spend your money on that. Give me exactly what you want. We will take our time and find just the right one. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

In all of 2 minutes I found this one which has to be better than what you got and for near the same price!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4549051775&rd=1

or this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43913&item=4549836463&rd=1

[W1N]

Mully,

Would you mind checking this one:
VIN 5GRGN23U25H126989

Thanks!

[Mully]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">5GRGN23U25H126989 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just tried running it and this was the reply..."The CARFAX© database currently contains no records for this vehicle. Please check back again soon, as our database is continually updated." Is it possible you have it wrong?

[Mully]

Figured it out. I went back to the site. Entered the VIN into the "Free Start Your Search Now!" spot and it came back that it is an O5 Hummer with zero records on file. I then logged in, gave it the same vin and again it gave me the message that it gave above with no mention of the type of vehicle it is.

Sounds to me like it is brand new and never titled. Hope that helps.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mully:
Figured it out. I went back to the site. Entered the VIN into the "Free Start Your Search Now!" spot and it came back that it is an O5 Hummer with zero records on file. I then logged in, gave it the same vin and again it gave me the message that it gave above with no mention of the type of vehicle it is.

Sounds to me like it is brand new and never titled. Hope that helps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was what it was supposed to be!

Thanks!!

[Peter etg]

W1N
A friend of mine imported a Suburban with some kind of modified engine which gave the truck another 50 or so hp.
He was not able to registrate it. He had to put the truck to it´s original before he was able to reg.
Another friend imported a GMC Yukon XL. with some kind of airride. Same here. Not possible.

Peter

[W1N]

Hey Peter!

I just read an article about superchargers, how they are legel in Finland if the vehicle passes the emission tests. Naturally I will make sure this is valid, but right now everything points to the direction where SC would be possible.

Your info sounds kinda weird because I'm sure there are many many older US vehicles in Sweden like mustangs etc that have been tuned-up for cruising. Why those are legal? Or do you not have them in Sweden?

btw, I have a contact of a Finnish person that has done some seaches for Hummers in North-America and imported them to Finland. People contact him tell what they want and he searches that and gets it to Finland. Price for the hasn't been too bad. If you want his contact info, let me know. He lives in Canada. He might be interested getting you one.

Thanks!

[sclui56]

W1N,

Have you considered contacting some of the companies doing this end-to-end auto export?

http://www.globalcarpoint.com/
http://www.autoexportusa.com

I never use them and really don;t know anything about them, but these 2 appear to have affiliates in Finland.

I honestly don't beleive a regular US franchised dealer is the way to go unless you intend to be state-side to purchase the vehicle first, these dealerships have too much at risk in shipping a new unregistered vehicle.

May be you can also use a buying service where they can get the vehicle for you, and possibly arrange for export.

BTW, still haven;t heard back from my dealer, so I won't hold my breath...

[W1N]

Thanks! I have to see what the serious options are and go from there. Hopefully I can find somebody here that can halp me look for used one that is just bearly used and is what I'm looking for. I think I'll wait till the 2006 comes out since the news about the upgrades will be out before the summer is over.

Thanks!

[AHels]

From what I've been able to work out, importing a non-stock vehicle to Europe is fine as long as it is still classed as road-worthy in the EU - i.e. check weight, emission etc restrictions with your local test-center.

The problem is that if it's not stock it will have to go through a full test as they wont have an already approved vehicle to test it against.

So basically you'll have to sit a full Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) test yourself. This is where they check the car from top to bottom and comments on anything you'll have to change to get it approved. Once approved you can then get it registered, insured and finally enjoy the ride http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm guessing this is pretty much the same in all of Europe as it's set by EU guidelines - and although some states (Sweden in particular) have managed to opt out of various clauses (booze, tobacco etc) the vehicle tests should be the same all over the place for safety reasons.

Of course, if you want pretty much a stock vehicle, but stock, get it approved using the short test and add your supercharger etc afterwards - at which time it'll still need to go through 'bilprovningen' but should pass rather easily as they then only check your modifications. Also, make sure you'll get insured with mods - I know the insurance companies are quite ok in Sweden, but still something to bear in mind before buying/modding.

Hope that helps somewhat.

[Peter etg]

I agree.
Good information!
So many people descripe huge trouble registrating a modified unit.
Not worth the enormous hassle.
Old cars (i belive older than 20 years or something) - different rules.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AHels:
From what I've been able to work out, importing a non-stock vehicle to Europe is fine as long as it is still classed as road-worthy in the EU - i.e. check weight, emission etc restrictions with your local test-center.

The problem is that if it's not stock it will have to go through a full test as they wont have an already approved vehicle to test it against.

So basically you'll have to sit a full Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) test yourself. This is where they check the car from top to bottom and comments on anything you'll have to change to get it approved. Once approved you can then get it registered, insured and finally enjoy the ride http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm guessing this is pretty much the same in all of Europe as it's set by EU guidelines - and although some states (Sweden in particular) have managed to opt out of various clauses (booze, tobacco etc) the vehicle tests should be the same all over the place for safety reasons.

Of course, if you want pretty much a stock vehicle, but stock, get it approved using the short test and add your supercharger etc afterwards - at which time it'll still need to go through 'bilprovningen' but should pass rather easily as they then only check your modifications. Also, make sure you'll get insured with mods - I know the insurance companies are quite ok in Sweden, but still something to bear in mind before buying/modding.

Hope that helps somewhat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The deal is, in Finland atleast, Hummer is not in any ways approved vehicle. So it really doesn't matter if I have stock, 500hp or 750 hp engine, it is still not approved in any way. The difficulty with tuned up H2 is that there is no factory results regarding the issues you mentioned. Current H2's in Finland have been somewhat questionable because there is not a EU approven test results available and all of the
H2's have had generally not accepted test results when people have registered their H2's. So, if I have understood the thing correctly, I will have a buddy of mine (guy who has done this before) do all the regulative work and find all the test results. We only have to provide info about emissions after the SC is installed since other stock results will apply after tune up. I hope registration officials think the same way. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

It is not possible to register the H2 first and then intall the SC, since the vehicle need to be in US where I plan have it all done and I'm not in intention of sending it back...

Thanks!

[AHels]

You're right. The Hummer's, be it a H1, H2 or even an H3 are not currently approved in Europe. Simply because GM haven't went through the trouble to get them approved as of yet - looks to change as they were talking about actually importing them themselves (GM Austria I believe?).

That being said, there are lots of Hummers on the European roads and they are all approved by EU legislation. The thing is, they need to go through the SVA test (may be called something different in Finland) for the full vehicle check-up, unless, you can provide them with a certificate of a previously approved vehicle of the same make, model and year - in which case they do a limited test only.

These certificates used to be sold for a quite lot of money across europe as it saved the private importer from doing all the work themself. The bottom line is, any vehicle can be made road-legal in Europe, even with a 1000hp engine if you so like, it just means they will need to take the full test.

As for only providing emission results, you should be alright as long as the HP isn't way overboard. Obviously, adding more HP needs better brakes etc etc etc which will all have a part to play in getting it approved in the first place.

Or you could just do what I'll be doing, drive it on US plates http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif (for a while atleast)

[Peter etg]

Ahels. Are you in Sweden ?

[AHels]

Well... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif err.. no http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm actually in the UK, but sort of viking blooded or whatever.
Have checked out the regulations extensively though, as I'll be bringing a H2 over fairly soon and insurance in the UK is gonna cost me a f'ing bomb (£7500.00) I think was the best quote I've getten so far. So I figured, check if I can get it registered and insured in Sweden using an address over there, first quote I got was in the region of £2300.00 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

So I've decided to drive it on US plates from LA to Key West, have it shipped over and continue our little road-trip throughout Europe (still on US plates) and only have it modified and everything once we're ready to go back to work http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now, you're not supposed to drive on foreign plates for more than.. I think.. two weeks (if in your own country) or three months (if in a different country) but hey, there are ways around that.

Finally, as for you trying to get a bargain of eBay.. watch what you're doing - especially getting it from so far away. You may be better off looking in Europe for a comparable priced model, seen a few '03s going in the UK for around £29000.00 lately - or check with rindab.se

[sclui56]

W1N,

Had to p/u some parts yesterday so I spoke with the manager at the dealer. The deal is like before, if you want to by used, there's no problem for them to facilitate in getting the vehicle shipped, otherwise, on a new vehicle, you will need to find a valid person & address in the U.S. to whom this new vehicle is suppose tyo be registered to, the dealer would then issue a "MSO", which is sort of like a temporary title, and the vehicle will be titled properly once it reaches the destination state (obviously this will not happen).

The whole point of doing an out-of-state sale is to alleivate the sales tax, and I was told that once the "MSO" is issued at the time of sale, the trucking company can actually p/u the vehicle from the selling dealer to the port of your choice.

So your intention of adding mods to the vehicle before crossing the pond is only going to complicate matters, unless you have a very dear friend state-side to oversee the entire process.

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
W1N,

Had to p/u some parts yesterday so I spoke with the manager at the dealer. The deal is like before, if you want to by used, there's no problem for them to facilitate in getting the vehicle shipped, otherwise, on a new vehicle, you will need to find a valid person & address in the U.S. to whom this new vehicle is suppose tyo be registered to, the dealer would then issue a "MSO", which is sort of like a temporary title, and the vehicle will be titled properly once it reaches the destination state (obviously this will not happen).

The whole point of doing an out-of-state sale is to alleivate the sales tax, and I was told that once the "MSO" is issued at the time of sale, the trucking company can actually p/u the vehicle from the selling dealer to the port of your choice.

So your intention of adding mods to the vehicle before crossing the pond is only going to complicate matters, unless you have a very dear friend state-side to oversee the entire process. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks a great deal!!!

I'm working on a couple options currenly. So I'm hoping there is still a slight chance of getting a brand new one. Otherwise I have to start looking for a used one that is as new as possible.

btw, does that person in US have to be living in the same state as the dealer? Because I have few friends who might be willing to help me out.

Next, when the truck is registered to that person and the MSO is issued, the dealer would send it to Lingenfelter for little tune-up. Once finished I will come to States (I'll have business trips over seas every now and then) and test it before sending it to Finland. I have contact who has sent numerous H2's over here, so he'll take care of the sending etc... How does this sound?

One thing I didn't get... So, if the MSO is issued to a person in different State than the dealer, there would not be a sales tax? Why would anubody buy a truck from your home state? Could you clarify.

What do you mean over see the whole process? I think what you just described there is not much to be over seen.

Thanks again for your time!!!

[sclui56]

W1N,

The whole issue of using an owner in a state different than the selling dealer is to avoid paying sales tax in the state where the dealer is located at the time of sale. However, the buyer is subject to sales & use tax of his/her home state when the vehicle is registered there, which may be a lot less than the seller's state.

In your case, this is a moot point as the vehicle will not be titled in the U.S., all you are after is getting the MSO so that the transport company can legally ship it.

Now I really don't know of all the in's & out's in terms of the time frame in which your friend(s) must act from the time the MSO is issued till the time the vehicle needs to be titled in the state of domicile, and every state has its own little twists in motor vehicle regs.

Think about this for a moment, if you want to have a NEW vehicle, modified to your specs, and be in a position to ship it home, even if you have to pay sales tax, the worst is that it will add another $5K to the acquisition cost http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But this would be the safest since you'll be able to inspect & test the vehicle after it's been tuned, just one less surprise.

While this is only STATE tax rates (not including local & other municipal taxes), this should give you a flavor in choosing your friend wisely:

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sclui56:
W1N,

The whole issue of using an owner in a state different than the selling dealer is to avoid paying sales tax in the state where the dealer is located at the time of sale. However, the buyer is subject to sales & use tax of his/her home state when the vehicle is registered there, which may be a lot less than the seller's state.

In your case, this is a moot point as the vehicle will not be titled in the U.S., all you are after is getting the MSO so that the transport company can legally ship it.

Now I really don't know of all the in's & out's in terms of the time frame in which your friend(s) must act from the time the MSO is issued till the time the vehicle needs to be titled in the state of domicile, and every state has its own little twists in motor vehicle regs.

Think about this for a moment, if you want to have a NEW vehicle, modified to your specs, and be in a position to ship it home, even if you have to pay sales tax, the worst is that it will add another $5K to the acquisition cost http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But this would be the safest since you'll be able to inspect & test the vehicle after it's been tuned, just one less surprise.

While this is only STATE tax rates (not including local & other municipal taxes), this should give you a flavor in choosing your friend wisely:

http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems like I did, my good friend lives in Colorado (Sales tax 2.9%) I do too have lived there and actually have used and lived in that same address. I actually have an social security number as well, or atleast I use to have...

And as you said the sales tax isn't going to make me go to the used if I have an opportunity to aquire a new H2.

Thanks again for your great help!

[W1N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AHels:
You're right. The Hummer's, be it a H1, H2 or even an H3 are not currently approved in Europe. Simply because GM haven't went through the trouble to get them approved as of yet - looks to change as they were talking about actually importing them themselves (GM Austria I believe?).

That being said, there are lots of Hummers on the European roads and they are all approved by EU legislation. The thing is, they need to go through the SVA test (may be called something different in Finland) for the full vehicle check-up, unless, you can provide them with a certificate of a previously approved vehicle of the same make, model and year - in which case they do a limited test only.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kroymans Corporation will be offical importing party for entire Europe after summer 2006.

Actually there is a dealer in Czeck Republic that is selling Lingenfelter 500hp H2 as new vehicles so there might be a chance that they have had it tested before it went on sale. However, legal manners vary quite a bit from country to country