Any One Lease an H2?

[Peyton77]

I am still in the shopping phase, and trying to pick a dealer. I know the options i want just cant seem to pick a color, anyways since it doesnt look like GM is going to offer 0%, on an H2 any time soon. I am crunching the numbers. Has anyone heard of a Money Factor applied to the vehicles yet and their residual value. Thanks alot for the help.

Peyton

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[Peyton77]

I am still in the shopping phase, and trying to pick a dealer. I know the options i want just cant seem to pick a color, anyways since it doesnt look like GM is going to offer 0%, on an H2 any time soon. I am crunching the numbers. Has anyone heard of a Money Factor applied to the vehicles yet and their residual value. Thanks alot for the help.

Peyton

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[Bill Kervaski]

It's a sellers market. That's why for some time you won't see a Lease or 0% financing. Until there is some kind of market saturation and sales slow there is no reason to lease or give really any kind of incentives.

- Bill

[HeeHaw]

$8,000.00 down with a payment of 695.00 on a loaded Hummer. BIG business advantage to me to go that way because I own a Corporation and it is 100% paid for by the Corporation. So, the money I get from the Corp is not TAXED.

This one was the Home Equity loan and I can still write it off and pay for it through the Corp/.. Best of both worlds.

But the lease is there if you want it....... /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Hope that helps

HeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[x-mst.com]

I too, put mine through my company; however, I bought and did not lease. There really is no difference, it all washes out when you sell or turn in.

The big advantage is the Section 179 fast deduction. With normal vehicles, you can depreciate and therefore deduct about $4000 the first year. Vehicles over 6000 pounds are considered utility vehicles and get a first year depreciation of $24,000. We are having a very good year this year, so it always makes sense to depreciate as much as possible. This rule, plus other deductions (thanks, prez Bush), should save me about $8000 this year in taxes.

[Peyton77]

SUV, truck owners get a big tax break

Loophole allows hefty write-off for vehicles

By Jeff Plungis / Detroit News Washington Bureau

Eligible vehicles


Here are the 38 light truck models that qualify for an extra $24,000 accelerated depreciation tax break:
BMW X5
Cadillac Escalade
Chevy Astro
Chevy Avalanche
Chevy Express
Chevy Silverado
Chevy Suburban
Chevy Tahoe
Dodge Durango
Dodge Ram Van
Dodge Ram Maxi Van
Dodge Ram Wagon
Dodge Ram 1500
Dodge Ram 2500
Dodge Ram 3500
Ford Excursion
Ford Expedition
Ford Econoline E-150
Ford Econoline E-250
Ford Econoline E-350
Ford F-150
Ford F-250
Ford F-350
GMC Yukon
GMC Safari
GMC Savana
GMC Sierra
GMC Sierra Denali
Land Rover Discovery
Land Rover Range Rover
Lincoln Blackwood
Lincoln Navigator
Mercedes ML 320
Mercedes ML 500
Mercedes ML55 AMG
Toyota Land Cruiser
Toyota Sequoia
Toyota Tundra



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WASHINGTON -- Karl Wizinsky wasn't thinking about buying a new vehicle, and certainly not a big SUV. So why is there a brand-new $47,000 Ford Excursion sitting in his driveway?

He was able to write off $32,000 of the purchase price as a business expense.

"We really did it because it was a pretty hefty deduction," said Wizinsky, a health care consultant in Novi.

At the same time the tax code sanctions $30,000 write-offs for SUVs, prospective purchasers of a fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles qualify for a relatively small $4,000 tax credit.

A deal to extend similar tax credits to other environmentally friendly vehicles remains stalled in Congress.

It's all legal, and accountants and auto dealers are beginning to catch on.

"If it can save the consumer money, it's most likely that the dealer is going to know about it," said Andrew Beck, spokesman for the National Automobile Dealers Association. So far, there is no indication anyone in Congress wants to close the loophole. In fact, even higher depreciation tax breaks are on the table as part of the next round of tax cuts President Bush is planning.

The SUV tax break is becoming a staple of advice in the accounting world, as small business owners such as Wizinsky are advised on ways to reduce end-of-the-year tax bills.

The size of the tax break has been growing under a schedule that became law in 1996. That's when Congress changed tax law to encourage business investment.

The scale of the tax break surprises accountants and tax experts, who feel bound to recommend SUVs and other light trucks to small-business clients.

"As I understood it, the reason (for the tax break) is to encourage business investment. That's what happened in my case," Wizinsky said.

At the same time, the tax break seems to contradict other national goals, such as improving vehicle fuel efficiency. A more economical fleet would aid two important national goals: reducing U.S. dependence on foreign oil and cutting greenhouse gasses.

The total cost of the loophole hasn't been calculated by the government, but Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan Washington watchdog group, estimates the SUV tax loophole could cost taxpayers between $840 million and $987 million for every 100,000 vehicles sold to businesses.

Aileen Roder, the group's program director, questioned whether there is a national need to subsidize sales of the largest light trucks -- given Americans are buying SUVs in record numbers.

"This is one of the most lucrative breaks in the tax code," Roder said. "We're making it a fiscal no-brainer for businesses to buy giant SUVs."

To get an idea of the scale of the SUV tax break, a credit aimed at making it easier for small businesses to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act costs $525 million per 100,000 uses.

A tax credit to reimburse teachers for classroom supplies annually costs the treasury $250 million per 100,000 uses.

And a provision allowing taxpayers to put up to $3,000 of tax-free earnings per year in private retirement accounts costs about $90 million per 100,000 taxpayers, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense.

There are long-standing limits on deductions to prevent taxpayers from subsidizing luxury-car purchases. But the limits do not apply to 38 light trucks that weigh 6,000 pounds or more, including the Cadillac Escalade, Dodge Durango, Excursion and Lincoln Navigator.

"We recognized it immediately and started informing people about how to use it," said James Jenkins, an accountant in Southfield. "It's just fabulous. My clients have been drooling."

Jenkins said five clients have used the loophole so far and five more are considering it. Jenkins even considered using the break, test-driving several SUVs.

"It makes you think very hard about it," Jenkins said. "But it was a 30 percent larger vehicle than I wanted."

Here's how the SUV tax break works:

Suppose a business owner wants to purchase a $45,000 luxury SUV for use in his business. He or she could write off $24,000 of the cost under section 179 of the tax code as accelerated depreciation. Then the buyer could write off additional depreciation of the remaining $21,000 under a five-year schedule -- 20 percent, or $4,200, in the first year.

That's a total $28,200 tax write-off.

The balance of the vehicle could be written off over the next five years. A more expensive large vehicle, like a Mercedes E-class SUV, a Range Rover or a BMW X5, would qualify for an even greater tax break.

The break for trucks got bigger this year under a schedule Congress adopted in 1996 when businesses could claim $17,500 in accelerated depreciation on equipment.

That lump sum increased to $20,000 last year. It went up to $24,000 this year. Next year and thereafter the deduction will be $25,000.

In 1996, Congress estimated the five-year cost of the tax break -- for all business equipment -- to be $1.6 billion. But luxury SUVs had barely cracked the market at that time.

IRS spokesman Bruce Friedland said the agency does not keep data on how much the tax break has cost. According to figures supplied by Autodata, there were 3.8 million of the 6,000-pound light truck models sold in 2001.

There are no estimates for how many of the vehicles that qualify were sold to businesses or how many businesses that bought vehicles took advantage of the deduction.

The code is not as generous for luxury cars.

A business owner wanting to purchase a Lincoln Town Car would have to live with a $7,660 deduction, one-fourth what he might save by buying a Lincoln Navigator. It would take more than 15 years to recoup the entire cost of the car.

After Sept. 10, 2004, the luxury-car write-off will revert to $3,060.

Tax experts say the light-truck tax loophole was originally targeted for farmers, so their working pickup trucks would not be treated, for tax purposes, like luxury cars.

There was no mention of the need to stimulate the luxury truck market in the 1996 tax debate.

The House of Representatives attempted to make the SUV tax break even more generous as Congress debated an economic stimulus package in March.

Under the House plan, the cap for accelerated depreciation would have risen from $24,000 to $35,000. That effort died in negotiations with the Senate.

Peyton

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