I BET THEY WISH THEY HAD AN H2! [Archive]

Ted

08-31-2003, 11:56 PM

what is the story on that rolled H2?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by CronusTRD:
No that is a brand new Toyota Tacoma which has been modified from its stock form.

here is a picture of a the 4wd ability o a range roverhttp://www.watrd.com/photos/StuckRover.jpg

I feel the H2s are too bulky for off-roading with minimal clearance and poor articulation.

http://www.mikeharan.net/images/h21.jpg http://www.mikeharan.net/images/h22.jpg

but whatever floats your boat!

as long as you dont drive like this chick:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=7822a043008bfc5d47fbd3d412bd2cc0&threadid=99961&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

Definitely not an H2!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ted

08-31-2003, 11:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
CronusTIRD,

Does this mean you are not an H2 fan? What do you mean by a "real 4x4"?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A real 4x4 is built not bought.

DennisAJC

09-01-2003, 12:21 AM

Those are some cool pics!
That white H2 looks like it was abandoned by it's owner out of embarassment.

Cronus is right though. You can build a real 4x4 from the ground up....if you are the type that had the time. Me, open the box and rock baby! H2 is all you need!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

DennisAJC

09-01-2003, 02:19 AM

QUOTE BY CRONOSTDR,
"here is an example of a well built (not bought) and fairly good looking 4x4..of course you can build a vehicle from the ground up or modify an existing vehicle...such as pictured. "

Here is prime example of BOUGHT and built. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

DennisAJC

09-01-2003, 02:28 AM

A stock Toyota TRD/4Runner
A stock H2........I'll take the H2

A built up Toyota TRD/4Runner
A built up H2........HMMMMM..H2 of course

POWER, CARGO, LOOKS, ABILITY????
Toyota vs Hummer????????.........Dream on.

They're all nice CARS but they ain't Hummers

Mabye try and compare with a KIA Sorento not an H2...out of your league.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[This message was edited by DennisAJC on 08-31-03 at 09:59 PM.]

Ted

09-01-2003, 03:30 AM

CronusTRD

09-01-2003, 12:50 PM

trust me..the last vehicle is built from ground up.

And when you gut a vehicle of its stock components and replace them with better stuff...thats built.

As far as Offroad Capabilty...sorry, the Toyotas have you beat.

You can keep your overdressed Tahoe. I'll keep my fullsize burby...

Your oversized minivan is more of a car than anything else. Real trucks have 4x4s have Solid axles and lockers (do you even know what they are?)

I'm sorry you spent over 100k in vehicles and still get stuck like a bitch. I'll look forward to winching you out...

Definitely not an H2!!!

OLE YLLR

09-01-2003, 05:16 PM

SO WHATS YOUR POINT IN GETTING IN TO THIS FORUM? SOUNDS LIKE YOUR JUST TRYING TO STIR IT UP. I SMELL A TROLL!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

2slo4now

09-01-2003, 08:48 PM

Hey CronusTRD

Your right your 1950's straight axle design is the best. Smooth ride, no bump steer, no tracking problems. It is truly a shame that every truck manufacturer builds most of their 4x4 trucks with IFS front suspension. They are so stupid. Even the H1 which has IFS front and rear does so bad offroad that it is the vehicle of choice of the US military. You know the other real cheezy off road 4x4 trucks that run IFS is all the top finishers of the BAJA 500. If you like straight axles run them. Just don't expect me to use that rough ridin Junk.

Dan from Alabama

Spiffy

09-01-2003, 09:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by OLE YLLR:
SO WHATS YOUR POINT IN GETTING IN TO THIS FORUM? SOUNDS LIKE YOUR JUST TRYING TO STIR IT UP. I SMELL A TROLL!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The caps lock is stuck on your comptuer.

Spiffy

09-01-2003, 09:12 PM

Spiffy

09-01-2003, 09:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Alec W:
Yet another pathetic troll with nothing better to do. Just ignore him and he will go somewhere else to play in a few days.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they are jealous they can’t afford the H2. The H2 is the finest production off road vehicle made. I’d like to see a Toy like the Tacoma, or a jeep follow the H2 off road. The H2 would win hands down. Maybe we can find some Jeeps, and Toys to have H2 vs the posers Toyota Trucks. I bet the H2 would put to shame the SAS Tacoma’s. Why put a Total Chaos, or Camburg kit on a Tacoma when you can buy the H2. Those desert posers would be pissed to see a H2 blow buy them thought the whoops

Bryanccfshr

09-01-2003, 10:12 PM

"Even the H1 which has IFS front and rear"

LMAO!

Do not despair I think if you really wheel the H2 more power to you..

This is mostly friendly ribbing(yes, this is actually friendly). If you want to wheel I will go with anyone.

Let's not get to wrapped up in brand loyalty. If you enjoy the vehicle that's all that matters. If you think anyone vehicle can outwheel all others in every terrain you are mistaken. A factory vehicle is a rolling compromise.

CronusTRD

09-02-2003, 12:30 AM

not a troll..just some one who knows the capabilities of a 4x4 and the difference between an h2 and a true 4x4.

I have a tahoe, which is essentially an h2.

Definitely not an H2!!!

dostacos

09-02-2003, 12:54 AM

firetacoma

09-02-2003, 12:57 AM

If there are any H2 owners in the Denver Metro area that would like to see if they can hang with some IFS tacomas, let me know... I've never seen one off-road... never even seen an H1 offroad... the mining roads around here are just too narrow for something that wide. Also is there a reason that 90 percent of the pictures in the member photo album are poser street pics?

willbchap

09-02-2003, 01:10 AM

Hello H2 Owners. I am a former Chapter President of a quite large Toyota Tacoma off road organization. I live in Virginia, and would be interested to see the off road capabilities of an H2. Even better would be to compare a Tacoma to an H2. There is a favorite playground to a few of us East Coast offroaders, which would be a perfect spot to hold this test. I would actually like to see a fair comparison and see the results. Any takers. However the places that we like to play, we usually get pin stripping and metal damage due to rocks, trees, and hills.

dostacos

09-02-2003, 01:24 AM

argonaut

09-02-2003, 01:27 AM

Hey Toyota people. Why not check out some of the great videos and pictures on this forum of members taking their H2s on runs. Most are in So.cal, so the terrain isn't all that interesting, but they do do some challenging stuff. I personally offroad my beast at every opportunity, and I have the lovely pinstriping to prove it. I bought my truck to mess it up, and messed up it is, but it sure is fun. Why don't you guys join us on a Rubicon run? I've wheeled with a lifted Toyota before, and he did very well. Of course offroading is 90% the driver and 10% the vehicle. I used to run a fourrunner with a four inch lift (my buddies), and the thing was sweet. But I have to say, having driven both, The H2 is much nicer and has some awesome capabilities from stock. Sure a huge lifted built up offroader will have some advantages, but if you lift a an H2 like one of the forum members here, then you have a vehicle that can kick the crap out of any silly import.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

DiscoDancingRover

09-02-2003, 01:32 AM

And by import we are only talking about Japanesse ones, not British ones right? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif And the guy with the tahoe comment, you are an idiot, go away.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

dostacos

09-02-2003, 01:33 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Spiffy:
I think they are jealous they can’t afford the H2. The H2 is the finest production off road vehicle made. I’d like to see a Toy like the Tacoma, or a jeep follow the H2 off road. The H2 would win hands down. Maybe we can find some Jeeps, and Toys to have H2 vs the posers Toyota Trucks. I bet the H2 would put to shame the SAS Tacoma’s. Why put a Total Chaos, or Camburg kit on a Tacoma when you can buy the H2. Those desert posers would be pissed to see a H2 blow buy them thought the whoops<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First the BEST offroad truck is a Mercedez Benz G wagon with lockers front and rear STOCK.

Next MIGHT be an H1 but an H2 nope, as for blowing by us in the whoops PLEASE state the date and time I GOTTA see this.

Oh heck as the challenged please contact me and we can do the squeeze and heart attack hill in Anza Borrego, or John Bull in Big Bear.

[Oh, please bring spare parts or some type of recovery vehicle because if you think you can blast through the whoops stock you sir are in for a rude awakening.

DiscoDancingRover

09-02-2003, 01:36 AM

Dos you ever wheel with a G wagon?

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

DiscoDancingRover

09-02-2003, 01:45 AM

CronusTRD what was up with that range rover picture? What are you trying to say about the Range Rover? The Range Rover is a very capable vehicle. Not the best for off-road in the Land Rover range, but still very capable. Wow you have a picture when they are stuck in snow. Do you feel special. What was the point of that. You people put huge lifts on yours and put huge tires on yours. And you try to compare yours to stock vehicles. Come on get a life!

Tell me when you find toyota's being used in africa and 3rd world countries because they are so capable? Well other then the FJ40, thats bad ass, but I am talking about your pickups.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

DesertTRD

09-02-2003, 01:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Spiffy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Alec W:
Yet another pathetic troll with nothing better to do. Just ignore him and he will go somewhere else to play in a few days.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they are jealous they can’t afford the H2. The H2 is the finest production off road vehicle made. I’d like to see a Toy like the Tacoma, or a jeep follow the H2 off road. The H2 would win hands down. Maybe we can find some Jeeps, and Toys to have H2 vs the posers Toyota Trucks. I bet the H2 would put to shame the SAS Tacoma’s. Why put a Total Chaos, or Camburg kit on a Tacoma when you can buy the H2. Those desert posers would be pissed to see a H2 blow buy them thought the whoops<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You think im jelous cause I dont have a pile H2? All you have is a over glorified grocery getter, and your whole thing about an H2 blowing threw the whoops, bring it, im in socal we can meet in Lucerne or Barstow or even Ocotillo if your down south... Your H2 cant even handle a parking lot curb let alone a line of whoops...

dostacos

09-02-2003, 02:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris:
Dos you ever wheel with a G wagon?

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I have, it was a grey market 4 door, diesel
and the guy that drove it took it everywhere, including the Rubicon [he was personally invited by Mark Smith to run the Jeep jamboree, that is the one that only cj/wrangeler Jeeps run. No even the long wheel cj8s went, they had to run the Jeepers jamboree open to any jeep]

that truck is about the same size as the H2 but he was running 35s and those great lockers and he had buckets of low end torque from that diesel.

beleive me I love my Double cab as much as you guys love your H2s, but out of the box a Jeep Rubicon with 31s and front and rear lockers will eat both of us alive in the right conditions [narrow trails loose dirt/rocks] And as the challenged I guarantee your h2s will never hang with me. Why,you ask? simple I will chose a route to MY advantage [narrower than you will fit :-)]Or my desert buddings running long travel systems will kill an h2 in the desert, better wheel travel and the shocks will take alot more abuse before fading

Actually I would really like to wheel with some h2s in Southern Cal. I can be emailed at dbsnelsonSPAM@earthlin.net [remove spam] and we can set up a time.

Dos Tacos [IFS core all the way]

dostacos

09-02-2003, 02:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris:
CronusTRD what was up with that range rover picture? What are you trying to say about the Range Rover? The Range Rover is a very capable vehicle. Not the best for off-road in the Land Rover range, but still very capable. Wow you have a picture when they are stuck in snow. Do you feel special. What was the point of that. You people put huge lifts on yours and put huge tires on yours. And you try to compare yours to stock vehicles. Come on get a life!

Tell me when you find toyota's being used in africa and 3rd world countries because they are so capable? Well other then the FJ40, thats bad ass, but I am talking about your pickups.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

how about the DOUBLE CABs they ARE all over the world. CNN had several nice shots of the Double cabs [black] that the US ARMY sent over for the special forces units so they could BLEND in. They are used as gun platforms all over the middle east and africa, just watch the news

As for range rovers, they aren't LAND ROVERs and those are the ones you see in Africa not the range rovers

DiscoDancingRover

09-02-2003, 02:13 AM

I don't own an H2, I have a discovery. It makes no sense when people try to compare the H2 to other vehicle not in their class. The G500 has got about 10 inches less in the wheelbase to the H2. So you can group them together. But I don't know which is better off the showroom floor. Your experiecne is with a modified 500. I am talking about a 2003 stock G500.

But why did you all come over here? Just to piss off the H2 owner? If you don't have an actually reason other then pissing off then don't be here.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

DiscoDancingRover

09-02-2003, 02:16 AM

So why is it the Ranger's use Land Rovers? And yes there are Range Rovers in africa buddy. Range Rovers have been around for around 30 years. The Range Rovers are good off-road, well minus the whole 19 inchers. The sidewall is too small, other then that, they are great.

I don't watch CNN, I watch Fox Nes

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

dostacos

09-02-2003, 02:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris:
I don't own an H2, I have a discovery. It makes no sense when people try to compare the H2 to other vehicle not in their class. The G500 has got about 10 inches less in the wheelbase to the H2. So you can group them together. But I don't know which is better off the showroom floor. Your experiecne is with a modified 500. I am talking about a 2003 stock G500.

But why did you all come over here? Just to piss off the H2 owner? If you don't have an actually reason other then pissing off then don't be here.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I first wheeled with him it was stock including both lockers. the 35s came just before the Rubicon.

we are here for enlightenment ;-)

RockYoda

09-02-2003, 02:26 AM

(aka DrNutt on TTORA)

Man you guys always seem to stir up s#it.. lol (TTORA)

Well i firmly believe that you build a truck for what you will MOSTLY use it for. Jeep built the Rubicon as mild trail runner and it does it execptional well. MB built its SUV for world wide distubtion in some of the worst daily driving conditions and although i have never seen one on the trails i'm sure it does well also. Toyota build its Tacoma as a all around daily driver with some very durable parts to last a hella long time. GM built the H2 as a easy to mild trail runner and as mall-runner. Its as easy as that. Each truck has its place and each will do very well in its designed area. There is no real compairson. I am also a firm beliver in "Its not what you buy its what you build!" (I would still love to see a stock Jeep Rubicon, MB G500, stock Toyota double cab, or an H2 follow me in my built 85.. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

CrapH2

09-02-2003, 02:31 AM

Hey
argonaut
if you had done your research before posting you would have realized that the Tacoma is not imported from Japan as you may think. It is built in California which last time I checked is part of the U.S. therefore is obviously not imported.

DiscoDancingRover

09-02-2003, 02:33 AM

I believe he was refering to the brand, that being toyota.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

dostacos

09-02-2003, 02:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris:
So why is it the Ranger's use Land Rovers? And yes there are Range Rovers in africa buddy. Range Rovers have been around for around 30 years. The Range Rovers are good off-road, well minus the whole 19 inchers. The sidewall is too small, other then that, they are great.

I don't watch CNN, I watch Fox News

"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you saying the SAS is using the CAR range rover? the last time I looked they still used modified Defenders [a great off road truck]
as for the news Fox has had pictures of the double cabs in use as well,

DiscoDancingRover

09-02-2003, 02:57 AM

They use 110s. My mistake I didn't write exactly what I ment to say. I know they don't use Range Rover. And one of the US Generals did use a Discovery in Iraq.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

dostacos

09-02-2003, 03:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris:
They use 110s. My mistake I didn't write exactly what I ment to say. I know they don't use Range Rover. And one of the US Generals did use a Discovery in Iraq.
no accounting for taste,eh. ;-)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the 90s and 110s are great, we just cannot buy them new here anymore.

Most of the wheeling I do the H2 would not ever be able to go because of it's size. I did the Hi Desert Round Up this year and the trail I was on was so narrow I barely made it, the hummers would still be out there stuck between a rock and well, more rocks. At our last So Cal TTORA trail run in big Bear we had about 50 trucks show up from totally stock to solid axle rock crawlers and by-pass shocked prerunners.

Still I would love to go off roading with a bunch of hummers some time

DennisAJC

09-02-2003, 03:20 AM

What the @#$*?????

To be challenged by Jeeps or Discos in one thing, very debatable...BUT TOYOTAS???????????

Who's next? KIA?, YUGO?, HYUNDAI???

I see desperate kids trying to fit in. It's too funny. Kinda sad.

Stock vs. Stock = We win
Power = You lose
Ability = You lose
Looks = Of course we win
Tug of war = HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Head on = "That toyota had heart http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif"

Now shall we get into modified stock? Hmmm.

Remember, take the money issue out of the equation, and it's clearer to understand.

Thank-you! Come again! BUH-BYE!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

dostacos

09-02-2003, 03:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
What the @#$*?????

To be challenged by Jeeps or Discos in one thing, very debatable...BUT TOYOTAS???????????

Who's next? KIA?, YUGO?, HYUNDAI???

I see desperate kids trying to fit in. It's too funny. Kinda sad.

Stock vs. Stock = We win
Power = You lose
Ability = You lose
Looks = Of course we win
Tug of war = HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Head on = "That toyota had heart http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif"

Now shall we get into modified stock? Hmmm.

Remember, take the money issue out of the equation, and it's clearer to understand.

Thank-you! Come again! BUH-BYE!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well then let's get together and wheel! We have members in Canada too.

DRTYFN

09-02-2003, 05:12 AM

Dos,
I've seen yodas bust their **** up just like everybody else.
New Year's day of this year I took my H2 out to Brown's Camp to try it out. It was torrential rain that day so I wasn't sure if it'd be much of a day. On my way up to Fire Break 5 I had to ask for directions a couple of times since I'd never been there before. All of the jeepers, yodas and everybody else looked at me like I was crazy to think about taking the "mom-mobile" 4xing. By the way, I saw both a built Jeep and a built Yoda getting strapped back down the main road. When i finally got to the trailhead there were 6-7 other vehicles there making plans to go up. They all looked at me incredulously like there was no way I was even going to get up the first part of the trail to the first little rock garden. I followed them w/o airing down or dropping it into low. when we got up to the rock garden we all parked down the trail and got out to watch each vehicle try to get through the rocks. Remember I said it was raining? Full on pissing would be a better description. Most of the ground out here is sort of like clay, so when it gets wet it gets really slippery. I watched as the other rigs each spent a minimum of 15-20 minutes slipping, sliding, pounding, grinding and bouncing around trying to go about 50 feet. when the last yoda finally got through everyone looked at me and asked if I was gonna try to get through. I said of course and turned to walk back down the trail to my rig. I could hear them softly laughing and talking about the "Tahoe". I got in and put it in low and engaged the rear locker and headed up to the rocks. Short of the story- i made it over the rocks in about 3 minutes without all of the commotion the built-ups had. They were all standing there with their mouths hanging open in disbelief that this "mom-mobile" had just crawled over what they had almost had to winch over. They all had to crowd around and actually get a look at this vehicle that they had all written off as a "mall taxi". All of our vehicles(Hummer, Yodas, Jeeps, ect) have their strengths & weaknesses. How would you like it if the guys that are hardcore quad riders came to your site and started ****-talking you because they say you can't go where they go? Or people with regular cars wondering what's the matter with you for driving such an "outlandish tinker toy" on the road?

[This message was edited by DRTYFN on 09-02-03 at 12:21 AM.]

RockYoda

09-02-2003, 11:59 AM

DennisAJC

I am sorry you feel this way, "Kids just trying to fit in". We are not kids and we are not trying to fit in. There is no fitting in. We wheel our trucks hard, much harder than the average person. We know what our trucks are capable of and we know what your trucks are capable of. To prove it meet up with some of our members and prove that your H2 is more capable than a Toyota. Thats it plane and simple... Put up or Shut up..

BillyRoyBob

09-02-2003, 12:39 PM

I just wanna say a couple things... first off, the H2 is a bichin lookin ride. But... as for the H1, the similaritys stop at the "H" denoting hummer. I was in Bosnia, and every H1 I saw was broken. The American 3 star general didnt even trust them, and such mostly rode in a Burban, or a Land Cruiser. And for the record, most "utility vehicles" were Toyota Hilux crew cabs with solid axles and cable lockers front and rear, and diesel. I guess I am one of them folks that would like to go wheelin with an H2, I would take my Fj-55 with you any day of the week. And finally, you think the Hummer is so much better, but the magazines that did comparisons... and yes they compared an H1, Discovery, Wrangler, and Tacoma.. Well the Tacoma came first, and the hummer came last, if you dont believe me then use your little web browser to search for fourwheeler.com for the article i speak of. they summed it up best. "The stocker with the locker came first because it was the only one that could pass for a real 4x4 in anything but a mall parking lot" So Think what you want, but I prefer to rely on the cold hard facts, not the propoganda that I read at the chevy dealership. Cause you know there gonna tell you the truth!

Were bigger and were on top, if this was prison you'de be our bitch!

AlamoJim

09-02-2003, 01:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by OLE YLLR:
THIS A REAL PICTURE TAKEN IN VENEZUELA! I KNOW THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE TO BE IN AN H2. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually they would have liked to be in a boat...look closer - all those vehicles are being washed backwards by a mudslide/flood.

That is decidedly NOT funny...
and ANY vehicle short of an actuall tank would be mince meat in that situation.

JMO.

Buckeye Hummer

09-02-2003, 01:40 PM

Here is a sweet picture of Toyota Tundra that TRIED to follow a Hummer!

Please tell the folks at Toyota to attach more gum to the bumper next time http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Buckeye Hummer

09-02-2003, 01:42 PM

Here is the Hummer it tried to follow. Notice how the vehicle is completely intact after making the run, amazing!!!

09-02-2003, 02:02 PM

Toyota IS JAPANESE - it is NOT American!!!!! It may be assembled (pieced together) on American soil, but the product you're supporting and the nameplate you're proliferating is still foreign. The ultimate CONTROL and revenue filters back to Japan.

It irks me when people make excuses to buy Japanese and think it's OK because it's "made in America." Bullshyt - it is a foreign product that benefits from lower tariffs and import quotas by assembling on US soil.

Toyota started building cars by taking apart a Chevy and examining it piece-by-piece. Same as the Soviets that copied our F15 fighters to develop their own product [MiG 29]. The Toyota Tundra is a complete rip-off of the Ford F150.

I have a H2 and Chevy truck. Each serves a different purpose, so why do jealous morons feel the need to come here and bash a product that is designed, manufactured, and sold in America using mostly American parts?

What kind of red-blooded American bashes a Hummer and touts a Toyota? Sounds like a sell-out to me. I couldn't drive a Toyota with a clear conscience; knowing I could have supported an American brand, but it's a free-market economy, so I don't bash foreign brands. My issue is with folks that tout Japanese products while at the same time bashing their very own (Ford, GM).

My relatives come from Europe and they're utterly shocked at the number of Japanese cars on our roads. They can't fathom that we allow so many foreign products to flood our roads. If so many peope have this attitude that we should buy Japanese and bash our own brands, then I may be the last guy to buy American.

I'm perfectly happy with bull riding, apple pie, and my Chevy truck. You can keep your Toyota, but It's not American - never was and never will be!

09-02-2003, 02:05 PM

Rock Yoda:

Many of us don't care about rock crawling and technical wheeling; we're into enjoying the outdoors and trails. How about you transport 6 people and all their gear on a long road trip? I live in the mountains and the H2 does its job very well. My Chevy truck does the blue collar work and it's AMERICAN - something Toyota will never be.

I can't relate to sell-outs that bash American products. It's a free-market, so buy what you want, but you're a sorry individual for bashing American brands. I'll keep my Hummer and Chevy and you can wheel in Japan if you love them so much.

Buckeye Hummer

09-02-2003, 02:15 PM

SJ,

I am with you. I have ONLY owned American vehicles. I have owned 2 Silverados, 1 Suburban, 1 Tahoe, 1 S10, 1 small blazer and 2 K5 blazers and of course my H2! My father is retired from GM so I know the effects of buying Japanese junk, but now the tables have turned. GM is kicking ass in the truck department like never before! There is absolutely no excuse to spend money on a "foreign truck" and I use that term loosely. Every time I hear someone say foreign and truck together it sends chills down my spine.

09-02-2003, 02:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
... All of our vehicles(Hummer, Yodas, Jeeps, ect) have their strengths & weaknesses. How would you like it if the guys that are hardcore quad riders came to your site and started ****-talking you because they say you can't go where they go? Or people with regular cars wondering what's the matter with you for driving such an "outlandish tinker toy" on the road?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DRTYFN:

You ask questions that would require these guys to stop and think. Therein lies the problem. They know Toyota Good - American brand bad. That's what they compute after a few Neurons fire. Let them be happy with their Tokyo products and feel good about it. I don't bash Japanese stuff because I respect our wonderful free-market form of Capitalism.

The truth is that I wouldn't drive a Toyota if some one gave me one for free. I simply cannot drive one with a clear conscience knowing that America makes perfectly fine products.

09-02-2003, 02:25 PM

Buckeye:

The new Ford F-150 is absolutely stunning. Toyota will copy it for their next Tundra, as they openly did when designing the current model.

I like both GM and Ford, but happen to have owned mostly GM products with excellent results. I've had a Chevy K5 Blazer that went 260k miles before I finally sold her. No problems to speak of!

People don't mention how Ford cleaned-up Jaguar and turned it into a better car; they're only concerned with the negatives, and I admit that there still are some weak spots that GM and Ford need to work on.

BillyRoyBob

09-02-2003, 02:48 PM

Maybe thats the problem with so called "red blooded americans" its called nationalism, and its just as bad as racism, you think that because its not american made its no good. I think the resale values speak for themselves.

Were bigger and were on top, if this was prison you'de be our bitch!

BillyRoyBob

09-02-2003, 02:53 PM

P.S. I would drive anything if it was given to me! Even a Yugo.

Were bigger and were on top, if this was prison you'de be our bitch!

BIGT

09-02-2003, 02:57 PM

This is getting silly. So what if I drive my H2 to the mall! It does just as well off road, also. Go ahead and take your Jap crap over rocks and whatever else that might get you off. I drive one bacause I like it and can afford it. BIG DEAL! All have to say is

GET A LIFE!

I own over 25 vehicle in my company. All American. GM and Ford. Hey, when I was young I had a Four Runner. So what. Before the H2 I had a Tahoe. No comparison! How many vehicle come with over 6 different transmission setting from the factory?

Now excuse me, I have to run to the mall.

Buckeye Hummer

09-02-2003, 02:57 PM

One of my friends out east HAD a tundra that he towed his 18' bass boat with UNTIL driving cross country. He said the tundra was all over the place and you constantly knew you were towing something. It was a complete chore for the Toyota. Later in the trip as he approached Boston en route from L.A. a truck jack-knifed in front of him. He totaled the tundra, the trailer and boat had minimal damage. In fact, he never fixed the boat (just bumps and bruises). This year I met him again to fish and he had a new Silverado with 4 wheel steering. He let me tow the boat around and drop it in the water. This was my FIRST attempt at backing up a trailer (into the water for that matter), and I did perfectly a 10.0. Not bad for my first time but I think the 4 wheel steer did most of the work. I know Ford makes good stuff its just more of a friendly rivalry for me since I grew up with GM. Toyota, on the other hand, is inexcusable.

09-02-2003, 03:04 PM

Roy:

Let me try again, since you can't seem to grasp the simple concept:

1. I respect that we live in a free-market economy [even if you're in Canada, but I speak mostly of USA], therefore, I do NOT bash Toyotas or other foreign products. I wouldn't drive a Toyota, but I don't bash them and say they're "junk" or "weak."

2. You're the one coming to a HUMMER web site as a guest. I'm not on your Toyota Kyoto Pride site talking smack - understand the word etiquette?

3. Nice Signature - speaks volumes of how sincere you are in the sense of mature discussion here.

4. Nationalism comes in many shapes and forms and I never said that non-American products are garbage. You've made a loose assumption, like any one that opposes ILLEGAL immigration is racist. I don't buy this logic, as it's a "twist" on absolute reason.

5. If you come here with a positive and contributory attitude, then you'll see that we're nice people here. I don't have a problem with Toyotas or any brand that wants to share a trail or bog. I wouldn't drive a Japanese truck - that's my honest feedback; but at the same time, I'm a Capitalist. Therefore, I don't think sells of Toyota, Nissan, and the like should be altered by any one other than the consumer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Buckeye Hummer

09-02-2003, 03:08 PM

RoyMunson,

The only thing good about your Yoda is the American aftermarket products that probably exceed the total value of your truck anyway. THIS is why it's easier and more cost effective to buy a Hummer. You don't have to modify it to do extreme 4xing, can still carry 6 passengers, still exceeds on-road safety standards and YES, you can actually get groceries too! The H2 does it all while the xtremely modified yodas ONLY off-road. As far as looks go it's always a matter of opinion. I love the look of the H2. When I see a jacked up yoda with bumpers and other panels missing I think of Hummer wannabees. Do your math, buy a Hummer it's cheaper than buying a poorly built yoda and replacing the entire thing with American parts so it can off-road.

09-02-2003, 04:00 PM

Cronus TRD:

You posted the picture of the rolled Hummer, so here's a rolled Toyota. I could push those Toyotas over with two other guys - top-heavy and a narrow track do not make for a good combo.

http://www.4x4wire.com/4x4/toyota/projects/basham_4runner/02.jpg

David in Germany

09-02-2003, 04:48 PM

Oh My god! some people show so much arrogance!
I spent 11 years in the US Army Transportation Corps and spent most of that time (Working) on the Hummers that were assigned to me. Not to nock the grocery getters but to wheel a hummer is like certain repairs to come! My fist hummer problems was when I was stationed in Califonia and hit a small bump leading to a cattle crossing at about 25 mph.... the truck had about 25k miles on it and broke an axel!
I have taken my stock (except for tires) 87 4runner to places that hummers cannot climb ( watched them try) and I know that toyota DID NOT COPY a ford for the tacoma design "SJ" whatever you are smoking, Will you share? as per ford Most parts are currently manufactured by Mazda and mitsubishi.... Huh did you know that? Oh and what did the head of Chevy put out at the beginning of this year? Oh Yeah it was the admitance that the past products have been crap but they promise to do better "oh What a Campagn"!!! now there was a quote about ford assisting Jag in the new productions.... Do you realize since this has happened the customer satisfaction rates have droped lower than ever? and Oh, by the way GM is now majority owner of Volvo and the customer satisfaction has followed Jag's customers but have you noticed that TOYOTA has stayed strong? I have! so Your hummer may be a great family vehicle an it may be a better than normal (stock) than the typical truck. but for offroading all have there strong points but A Toyota with mild mods Vrs a Hummer with mild mods... My money is on the Yota. I personaly would never own another American Truck and I served My USA in the military so you and I could have a different oppinion.

Sorry if it seems long winded but open your minds to other options people!
SJ, I still wana know what you are smoking!
David

Can't we all just get along!?

09-02-2003, 04:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by David in Germany:
... and I know that toyota DID NOT COPY a ford for the tacoma design "SJ" whatever you are smoking, Will you share? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you want to insult me and try to analyze my post, then get it right. I said TUNDRA - the 3/4 size Toyota truck. Yes, it is a rip-off of the Ford F-150. The Ford F-150 is the best selling vehicle and Toyota copied the design. Look at even the exterior design and it's blatantly obvious.

We're not here to debate IMPORT vs. DOMESTIC; it's an old topic that I'm not going to get into. I'm fully aware of the association with Ford-Mazda; GM-Saab; Ford-Volvo; GM-Isuzu, etc.

It is FORD that owns Volvo, not GM; so once again, you stand corrected!

I'm not going to get involved with immature banter with phrases such as "what are you smoking." You're the guest here and I'd suggest you go to a chat room if you're bored and feel the need to trash talk with other kids.

Enjoy Your Toyota [Japan] and I'll enjoy my Chevrolet [USA] - that's the absolute to this whole topic. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

argonaut

09-02-2003, 04:58 PM

H1s are notorius for trail breakdown and unreliability. H2s (so far) have fared much better. I think it is funny when people compare the H1 or even military Humvee to the H2. Totally different vehicles. When you trolls come to an H2 forum trashing our trucks do you honestly excpect us to be nice? None of you have driven one, so how can you begin to compare? I personally have never taken mine on any hardcore trails, but that is because I don't have anybody to wheel with. I have been on medium trails with it, and it does great. Yes DRTYFN, Brown's camp is a great area. I took the H2 there once, and it did marvelously. Plus you dickheads are comparing a stock H2 to a heavily modified and frankly white trashy looking truck. Go listen to your country music and chew tabacco. If you want to have a real honest level headed discussion then that is fine. Otherwise F-off.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

DesertTRD

09-02-2003, 05:00 PM

Blah blah blah.. American, Japanese, whatever, its funny every time someone with a fullsize waste of money pile o crap says something about there vehicle is better they always seem to bring up teh obvois junk...

why dont you morons put up or shut up, you claim yours is better so bring it....

sheesh.. bunch of panty waist pansys here.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SJ:
Toyota IS JAPANESE - it is NOT American!!!!! It may be assembled (pieced together) on American soil, but the product you're supporting and the nameplate you're proliferating is still foreign. The ultimate _CONTROL_ and _revenue_ filters back to Japan.

It irks me when people make excuses to buy Japanese and think it's OK because it's "made in America." Bullshyt - it is a foreign product that benefits from lower tariffs and import quotas by assembling on US soil.

Toyota started building cars by taking apart a Chevy and examining it piece-by-piece. Same as the Soviets that copied our F15 fighters to develop their own product [MiG 29]. The Toyota Tundra is a complete rip-off of the Ford F150.

I have a H2 and Chevy truck. Each serves a different purpose, so why do jealous morons feel the need to come here and bash a product that is designed, manufactured, and sold in America using mostly American parts?

What kind of red-blooded American bashes a Hummer and touts a Toyota? Sounds like a sell-out to me. I couldn't drive a Toyota with a clear conscience; knowing I could have supported an American brand, but it's a free-market economy, so I don't bash foreign brands. _My issue is with folks that tout Japanese products while at the same time bashing their very own (Ford, GM)._

My relatives come from Europe and they're utterly shocked at the number of Japanese cars on our roads. They can't fathom that we allow so many foreign products to flood our roads. If so many peope have this attitude that we should buy Japanese and bash our own brands, then I may be the last guy to buy American.

I'm perfectly happy with bull riding, apple pie, and my Chevy truck. You can keep your Toyota, but It's not American - never was and never will be!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

09-02-2003, 05:04 PM

Why are you sucking me into this? Did I ever use the word BETTER in any of my posts? NO.

I'm defending American products, as I've had excellent success with them. Enjoy your Toyota - Japan Pride All The Way Buddy! Wooo Hooo.

Now go away; we don't need you here, as you're just here to be trolls.

BillyRoyBob

09-02-2003, 05:06 PM

And you just proved my point, all you see is Japan vs the USA, its not black and white, you are right, they all have there good and bad points. And im certainly not trying to offend your country, to me this is not one country against another... but then to me a $50k vehicle is not a good deal any way you look at it. All I have to say is good for you if you actually wheel it. I would actaully like to go wheeling with you, thats no insult, and it would not be to laugh at you, but to see that we are probably both nice people, and to put our differences aside and actually wheel

Cheers

Were bigger and were on top, if this was prison you'de be our bitch!

09-02-2003, 05:12 PM

Roy:

No, I don't see the issue as purely USA vs. Japan. However, when people come here and are intentionally rude; starting in with negative comments, then I'll defend American products that have served me well.

I hate Toyotas [I actually owned one a long time ago], but I don't go to a Toyota web forum and berate the owners of said products. I respect that each person is afforded their own purchase decisions.

So, the moral of the story is that if a**holes don't come here and start bashing us at our own forum, then we won't be inclined to tell them to f**k off! It's really that simple.

Buckeye Hummer

09-02-2003, 05:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Oh, by the way GM is now majority owner of Volvo and the customer satisfaction has followed Jag's customers but have you noticed that TOYOTA has stayed strong? I have! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, GM just bought Volvo and I thought Ford was the majority owner. Clearly you have been in Germany too long David by not even knowing which American mfg. owns volvo and quite frankly I don't believe your Hummer story either. Your are just part of the yoda gang that has decided to infiltrate our H2 forum. You are also in denial. Toyota DID copy Ford's design because it is the best selling full size pickup (duh). What would you do if you wanted to pick apart a market segment? I suggest you and the rest of the yoda gang head over to the chevy S10 or maybe the new Chevy Colorado forum where the playing field will be level, modify them all you want because I guarantee when the Chevy hits the trail it won't fall apart like this:

crash

09-02-2003, 05:48 PM

Wow, funny how people think the H2 is awhole new rig, when in fact, its far from it...

certified H2 tech.

09-02-2003, 05:50 PM

Roy:

Yep, my son already likes American trucks and he has a Stetson and boots to match. It's not something I expect you to relate to up in Canada. I love your country, but hate Socialism and Chretien, so we can't agree on everything in life.

My family came to this country and I thank God for the opportunity given to me in America. I believe in our products and I take pride in owning them.

When all is said and done - ALL of you Toyota guys need to come here in a whole different tone. None of what you say holds a piss of weight with me if you're going to be an a**hole. That's just how it is - I'm old-school and I don't play grab a** like some of you clowns are doing by coming here and disrespecting hard-working people that earned their right to buy what they want. I have no respect for that sort of person. Keep it respectful and all the best to you.

09-02-2003, 06:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> How about you transport 6 people and all their gear on a long road trip? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You forget that we won't be stuck carpooling to pay back the $50k and save on gas. With that money, we'd be driving 2 brand new Tacomas.

09-02-2003, 06:47 PM

Yep, you could buy 2+ Tacomas, 2+ Jeep Wranglers, etc. I'd rather have one vehicle that suits my needs rather than a car lot sitting in front of my house. Two of the same vehicle - boring.

As for gas - business expense. Car pooling to save on the $50K - wrong again. Many of us have worked hard and can afford the $50K or we expense it through a business. Admirable attempt at making a point though!

Buckeye Hummer

09-02-2003, 06:59 PM

Nice write-off for my business (around 26k). I even considered buying an H1 and placing company stickers all over it like a billboard. We can use the 100k write-off! Thanks to George there is no tax benefit to buying a light-duty tacoma.

Gas is a business expense like SJ said. It feels good to support jobs in Indiana and my Dad's retirement I am even considering buying my wife an H2 SUT. She currently has a Tahoe but I want something heavier/safer to tote my 2 yr. old around in.

BTW, every time my son sees a hummer he says "Daddy's Truck!" Makes me proud to buy an American made vehicle and pass those values along to my son like my father did me.

crash

09-02-2003, 07:28 PM

You mean assembled in the US...
Sorry, but only about half of that rig is made in the US, other goes from mexico to canada..
There are even a few modules made in singapore...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
Nice write-off for my business (around 26k). I even considered buying an H1 and placing company stickers all over it like a billboard. We can use the 100k write-off! Thanks to George there is no tax benefit to buying a light-duty tacoma.

Gas is a business expense like SJ said. It feels good to support jobs in Indiana and my Dad's retirement I am even considering buying my wife an H2 SUT. She currently has a Tahoe but I want something heavier/safer to tote my 2 yr. old around in.

BTW, every time my son sees a hummer he says "Daddy's Truck!" Makes me proud to buy an American made vehicle and pass those values along to my son like my father did me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

certified H2 tech.

09-02-2003, 07:38 PM

crash:

The parts content is almost entirely American. The throttle sensor is from Hitachi, but you can source the technology and engineering from right here in the States.

There are exceptions to the rule. I'm aware that there's cross-pollinization among Ford and Mazda; GM and Isuzu; and others. However, we must look at the absolute when it comes to the H2:

- Designed by Americans
- Corporate base in America
- Product Control is American
- Produced in an American Factory
- Majority of Parts Content is American
- Revenue goes to an American Corp. [GM]

Toyota:

- Proliferate a Japanese product
- Possible Assembly in USA
- Some American Parts, but Mostly Japanese
- Market Share Goes to Foreign Nameplate
- Ultimate Control is in Japan
- Engineering and Design may be Partially in USA, but foundation is in Japan
- Global Measures view "Toyota Brand" as a Japanese entity. Example: Businessweek releases figures and Toyota counts as Japanese, while GM and Ford are American.

Ted

09-02-2003, 08:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
What the @#$*?????

To be challenged by Jeeps or Discos in one thing, very debatable...BUT TOYOTAS???????????
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a challenge to me, you going to take then up on the challenge, or just Web-Wheel?

09-02-2003, 08:41 PM

Ted:

Dennis AJC is going to roll down to Virginia to fulfill an Internet challenge. Don't hold your breath; he lives in Canada.

I'm done with Romper Room, see you guys later.

# of Japanese Cars/Trucks I own as of 9/2/03 = "0" and damn proud of it!

Ted

09-02-2003, 08:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SJ:
Ted:

Dennis AJC is going to roll down to Virginia to fulfill an Internet challenge. Don't hold your breath; he lives in Canada.

I'm done with Romper Room, see you guys later.

# of Japanese Cars/Trucks I own as of 9/2/03 = "0" and damn proud of it!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure there is a Tacoma in Canada.

DennisAJC

09-02-2003, 08:45 PM

Yes, just watch.

H2's on the landscape waiting while the Toyotas don't show because they deliver pizza for a living.

Just as silly as my 4 year old son daring me to spank him. Well? Do you punk? Do you feel lucky?

TAKE THE MONEY ISSUE OUT OF THE EQUATION.Then you'll understand.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

DennisAJC

09-02-2003, 08:51 PM

Get youselves a bumper sticker,

"When I grow up, I wanna be a Hummer"

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Bryanccfshr

09-02-2003, 09:30 PM

I live in Corpus Christi Texas. Anyone wanna wheel with me? Hell I am only on 33's. a stock H2 is on 35's.
I am all about a friendly outing and will give credit where credit is due. <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> </pre> Mild Taco. (http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4289359261&p=4216853872&idx=1)

dostacos

09-02-2003, 10:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SJ:
Toyota IS JAPANESE - it is NOT American!!!!! It may be assembled (pieced together) on American soil, but the product you're supporting and the nameplate you're proliferating is still foreign. The ultimate _CONTROL_ and _revenue_ filters back to Japan.

It irks me when people make excuses to buy Japanese and think it's OK because it's "made in America." Bullshyt - it is a foreign product that benefits from lower tariffs and import quotas by assembling on US soil.

Toyota started building cars by taking apart a Chevy and examining it piece-by-piece. Same as the Soviets that copied our F15 fighters to develop their own product [MiG 29]. The Toyota Tundra is a complete rip-off of the Ford F150.

I have a H2 and Chevy truck. Each serves a different purpose, so why do jealous morons feel the need to come here and bash a product that is designed, manufactured, and sold in America using mostly American parts?

What kind of red-blooded American bashes a Hummer and touts a Toyota? Sounds like a sell-out to me. I couldn't drive a Toyota with a clear conscience; knowing I could have supported an American brand, but it's a free-market economy, so I don't bash foreign brands. _My issue is with folks that tout Japanese products while at the same time bashing their very own (Ford, GM)._

My relatives come from Europe and they're utterly shocked at the number of Japanese cars on our roads. They can't fathom that we allow so many foreign products to flood our roads. If so many peope have this attitude that we should buy Japanese and bash our own brands, then I may be the last guy to buy American.

I'm perfectly happy with bull riding, apple pie, and my Chevy truck. You can keep your Toyota, but It's not American - never was and never will be!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sure hope you are as strong with this attidude toward Jeeps/Dodges and Crysler produts being GERMAN.

I care more on how well the car or truck works and less on where it is made. The Toyota Tacoma is by far the best small truck on the market for offroading [higher ground clearance, stock rear locking diff to name 2]

OLE YLLR

09-02-2003, 10:44 PM

HEY YOTAS, WOULD'NT IT BE MORE ON THE LEVEL TO COMPARE AN H2 TO TOYOTA SEQUOIA? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN SUV. AS FOR DOS TACOS, WHEN WE GO OUT ON OUR NEXT OUTING I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO INCLUDE YOU IN OUR TRIP, WE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHO LIKE TO GO OFFROADING AND IT'S OPENED TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME ALONG. I DON'T LIKE TO TALK SMACK ABOUT ANYBODYS RIG. OUR SOLE PURPOSE http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif IS TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE GOOD OUTDOORS AND FRIENDS.

RockYoda

09-02-2003, 11:43 PM

SJ,

So what are you trying to say, that i'm not AMERICAN because i drive a Toyoda? If that is what you are saying than your a complete moron! Look at most of the products you buy and have in your business and home. I guarntee that at least 75% is foreign made (you commie!) Our economy is partially based on foreign trade. When we buy stuff made in other contries they buy stuff from us. I know of alot of companies that do business with Japan in exports. Man open your eyes and stop believing everything you see on TV. Tough compition is what this country is all about! The law of supply and demand. Toyoda is just supplying very durable goods for a good price. And not that it makes one bit of differance i currently own a 1997 Dodge Ram 4x4, 2001 Chevy Blazer, and my company van is a Chevy 3500. So go blow your anti-american B.S. out your A$$!!

My Toyoda can still go more places than your H2 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif !

dostacos

09-03-2003, 12:07 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by OLE YLLR:
HEY YOTAS, WOULD'NT IT BE MORE ON THE LEVEL TO COMPARE AN H2 TO TOYOTA SEQUOIA? nope, we consider that a mall runner too. :-) WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN SUV. AS FOR DOS TACOS, WHEN WE GO OUT ON OUR NEXT OUTING I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO INCLUDE YOU IN OUR TRIP, WE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHO LIKE TO GO OFFROADING AND IT'S OPENED TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME ALONG. I DON'T LIKE TO TALK SMACK ABOUT ANYBODYS RIG. OUR SOLE PURPOSE http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif IS TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE GOOD OUTDOORS AND FRIENDS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are on, I am sure I can get a couple of guys to join up.

and remember when the ELVish wars get hot we will have your back!

David in Germany

09-03-2003, 03:43 AM

Oh the shame of being corrected on who owns who.... Don't think I can live through this one.. Hey any one in germany with an H2 wana go wheeling? We could also throw the Land cruser into the mix If you would like to have another Toyota to compair the Hummer to. The land cruser has been quoted as being the most capable Production offroad vehical (by 4X4 Magazine If I remember correctly) anyone wana correct me on that? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif as per being a different vehical than the H1 ..... uh Ok if you believe..
In 89 the US army did a test of 7 Vehical manufactures for the replacement of the tired and uncapable blazer fleet (cuccv) and due the the bids recieved and the at the time the Pre production models dependability they purchased the Hummer. of course the Lambo version was the best over all but the price tag was too high and the thought that a soldier could exceed 140mph in an offroad vehical was just too much to deal with.... but once again. enjoy what you have! I know I do! By the way when you call us guests.... I am now a registered member! untill I am banned for giving the other side of the story.... Still any takers on a Germany wheeling trip?
David

Can't we all just get along!?

DRTYFN

09-03-2003, 05:39 AM

David,
Just to help you out- it's v-e-h-i-c-l-e. Remember that. I know you're "David in Germany", but god damnit learn to spell what you're talking about you blockhead. I know that 4X4 magazine that you hold in your hands like a bible probably spells v-e-h-i-c-l-e correctly.
As for the Lambo LM002, you've very obviously never been around them, have you? Sure they were fast in their day, but their reliability sucked. You think the Humvees break down from rough use, you should see how those things do just around town. I've got a few friends that have owned them, two of which now own H2s, and they both say the H2s are hands down a better v-e-h-i-c-l-e.
And you're not banned- we need a good whipping child because beating up on that poor retard( sorry, developmentally challenged) Chris is getting old.

Would you do me a favor and go out and speed up and down the Autobahn really, really fast just because you can. What?!!!! You're truck won't go that fast?!! Why not? Ohhh yeah, maybe it's because you don't have the money to buy something fast, because you don't have a good enough paying job, because you can't spell worth a ****. Sorry, got all riled up after going back and reading your other post on page 4. I'll be nice now.

And by the way, we (H2 owners) would all like to get along with ALL of the other makes and models of 4X4s, SUVs,ect., because we take enough **** from all of the enviro-wackos that say we're the root of all enviromental destruction.

David in Germany

09-03-2003, 08:55 AM

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif wow not only drives a H2 but he is trying to assist in my education, educatun, egacation... whatever. As per what I can afford, this is not the topic but I OWN 1 1987 4runner, 1 1993 Celica, 1 1997 Lancia Kappa, and last but not least a 92 Renalt Clio. I would not trade any one of them, or value wise compaired to a H2 any 3 of them...
Don't worry guys the link is not to some porn site!
forgot to mention

truth hurts (http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/08/pf/autos/bc.autos.durability/index.htm?cnn=yes)
With Love,
David

Can't we all just get along!?

[This message was edited by David in Germany on 09-03-03 at 04:04 AM.]

JSB

09-03-2003, 12:35 PM

I would imagine he has posted here, because this brainless post has made its way to other forums to show the ignorance of the GM Suburban-H2 community. Not the Hummer community. Now it has stumbled it's way to me. God I feel like my brain has been robbed of intelligence after reading this. The dude with the jacked up H2...it looks cool, can it function? That remains to be seen, but it looks cool. Why doesn't a Mod close this thread..since you can't close your hoods with out cracking something, and we can be done with this. I'm still baffled, as to why Hummer would let GM put their name on a Suburban...cough...I mean H2. Now back to some real conversation. Thanks...I had a great time, but I must go before some one see me here.

DiscoDancingRover

09-03-2003, 12:54 PM

This whole topic is retarded or is it developmentally challenged, I forgot. The H2 owners like their H2s, don't give them **** or what not. You Toyota like your Toyotas. So if you are going to rile up the fourm leave. If not then stay and actually say something constructive. Seriously, do you idiots understand this concept?

JSB, wow you are real mature. Get a life.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

JSB

09-03-2003, 01:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
SJ,

I am with you. I have ONLY owned American vehicles. I have owned 2 Silverados, 1 Suburban, 1 Tahoe, 1 S10, 1 small blazer and 2 K5 blazers and of course my H2! My father is retired from GM so I know the effects of buying Japanese junk, but now the tables have turned. GM is kicking ass in the truck department like never before! There is absolutely no excuse to spend money on a "foreign truck" and I use that term loosely. Every time I hear someone say foreign and truck together it sends chills down my spine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You bought Chevy because it was cheap through your Daddy. I support the GM account where I work and own a $40k Burb (sticker) my discount got me to $31k. Talk about reipping off the American people. And guess what I've got 40k on it, and it's had sh!t break like the lock relays, the window module, the out drive gasket, etc. etc. I towed a 5 x 10 trailer and the torque converter went out or at least whines now. Talk about American Quality, I feel like I've been betrayed.

JSB

09-03-2003, 01:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris:
JSB, wow you are real mature. Get a life.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heard my nephew (3rd grader) say that to another the other day. Talk about a great debater...Now I'm not saying you have the mind of a 3rd grader...He just might have a great mind such as yourself.

JSB

09-03-2003, 01:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SJ:
crash:

The parts content is almost entirely American. The throttle sensor is from Hitachi, but you can source the technology and engineering from right here in the States.

There are exceptions to the rule. I'm aware that there's cross-pollinization among Ford and Mazda; GM and Isuzu; and others. However, we must look at the absolute when it comes to the H2:

- Designed by Americans
- Corporate base in America
- Product Control is American
- Produced in an American Factory
- Majority of Parts Content is American
- Revenue goes to an American Corp. [GM]

Toyota:

- Proliferate a Japanese product
- Possible Assembly in USA
- Some American Parts, but Mostly Japanese
- Market Share Goes to Foreign Nameplate
- Ultimate Control is in Japan
- Engineering and Design may be Partially in USA, but foundation is in Japan
- Global Measures view "Toyota Brand" as a Japanese entity. Example: Businessweek releases figures and Toyota counts as Japanese, while GM and Ford are American.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must of forgot about our Mexico Plant that assembles several of the GM trucks.

JSB

09-03-2003, 01:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by OLE YLLR:
HEY YOTAS, WOULD'NT IT BE MORE ON THE LEVEL TO COMPARE AN H2 TO TOYOTA SEQUOIA? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN SUV. AS FOR DOS TACOS, WHEN WE GO OUT ON OUR NEXT OUTING I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO INCLUDE YOU IN OUR TRIP, WE ARE JUST A BUNCH OF HARD WORKING INDIVIDUALS WHO LIKE TO GO OFFROADING AND IT'S OPENED TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME ALONG. I DON'T LIKE TO TALK SMACK ABOUT ANYBODYS RIG. OUR SOLE PURPOSE http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif IS TO GO OUT AND ENJOY THE GOOD OUTDOORS AND FRIENDS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd say lets compare the Land Cruiser. The FJ80 hold 7.

argonaut

09-03-2003, 01:38 PM

OK guys, normally I am one to always feed the trolls because it makes me laugh to get them riled up, but I think this thread has gone too far for some reason. How about we don't respond (you too Chris) an dthese stupid idiots will go away and bother another forum. Just ignore them.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

09-03-2003, 01:42 PM

Rock Yoda:

1. I'm not here to get into a juvenile pissing match. You came here as a guest and started in with the rude comments!

2. I NEVER said that a person who buys a Toyota is unpatriotic: you're making a loose assumption.

3. My TV is from Holland and my Stereo is American and Danish; My cars/trucks are American; My Appliances are American; my Lawn Mower is American; My Power Tools are American. Some of my son's toys are made in China by mostly American companies. See the pattern here? I do my best to avoid Japanese products, as I'd rather not contribute to the trade deficit and I have numerous personal reasons for not buying Japanese.

4. I'm far from being a Communist and I seriously doubt you could define what a Communist System consists of. Do you want to discuss Iosef Dzugashvili, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, Karl Marx - I can discuss these topics with you, since I've studied Russian/Soviet, Polish, Czech, East German, and other localized histories. I'm a fervent Capitalist (reading Milosz Czeslaw and other avante garde anti-Communists) and that's why I keep posting that I support the free-market system. I don't bash folks for buying Japanese, though I wouldn't buy their automotive products my self.

How hard is this to understand? I'm putting things in rudimentary terms, is it finally sinking in?
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

09-03-2003, 01:49 PM

JSB:

I was strongly opposed to NAFTA. Yes, I'm aware that GM and even Dodge assemble in Mexico. My vehicles were all assembled here in America. I have one vehicle from Michigan, the H2 from Indiana, etc.

The import vs. domestic issue was not started by me, but I will certainly defend my American nameplates, as I have pride in our products.

Toyota happens to assemble their Tacomas in Fremont, CA. This facility is close to where I was raised, so I certainly apreciate the jobs that NUMMI has opportuned for locals. My issue is with the trade deficit, and not giving market share to foreign nameplates, among a few reasons that I don't buy Japanese.

It is my personal choice to purchase what I will (as is your right) and my personal choice to defend American products when people come here and stir the pot. I'm not angry or upset about any of this; just stating my case.

End of Story.

[This message was edited by SJ on 09-03-03 at 08:58 AM.]

JSB

09-03-2003, 01:49 PM

Whoo...Finally done. I guess I'm on my way to the gallery. I'd like to see a man driving one of these for once. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

09-03-2003, 01:57 PM

dostacos:

Yep, I made this very point to a group of earlier trolls. Jeep is a German-owned brand. DC has shifted the dual HQ structure to a sole base in Germany. The CEO and board is almost entirely German.

Jeep still sources most of its parts in the USA. Much of the assembly is in the USA, but we already see DC using cross-pollinization from other brands within their global umbrella. For example, the CRD engine was developed by M-Benz and we'll most likely see this very same engine in future Grands. The Liberty is due to have a M-Benz derived engine in 2005 and more components are shared with Daimler.

Many Jeep enthusiasts are disgusted with the "watering down" of their products. Some Dodge Viper enthusiasts have gone through the same disappointment when the latest Viper hit the market. It was seen as too polished and clinical like a Benz, when many of us prefer a raw muscle car feel.

The import and domestic debate is complex and not the same as it was in the 70s or even 80s. We could write a novel by going back-and-forth.

I support your right to buy whatever you want. I don't agree with buying a $20K+ consumer product from Japan, but that's my opinion and I don't force my opinion down any one's throat.

Heck, buy a Cuban car if you can find one and really want it. My overlying point is that some of your colleagues came here and bashed HUMMER for no reason other than to be antagonists. I'm defending American nameplates.

JSB

09-03-2003, 02:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SJ:
JSB:

I was strongly opposed to NAFTA. Yes, I'm aware that GM and even Dodge assemble in Mexico. My vehicles were all assembled here in America. I have one vehicle from Michigna, the H2 from Indiana, etc.

The import vs. domestic issue was not started by me, but I will certainly defend my American nameplates, as I have pride in our products.

Toyota happens to assemble their Tacomas in Fremont, CA. This facility is close to where I was raised, so I certainly apreciate the jobs that NUMMI has opportuned for locals. My issue is with the trade deficit, and not giving market share to foreign nameplates, among a few reasons that I don't buy Japanese.

It is my personal choice to purchase what I will (as is your right) and my personal choice to defend American products when people come here and stir the pot. I'm not angry or upset about any of this; just stating my case.

End of Story.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the info on the toyota plant. I'm not sure why you would share that with me, because I've never posted any preference about the Toyotas, but again thanks. I for one don't mind you having some American Pride. I get sick to my stomach everyday, because I here how mine and other companies cut american jobs and send them to India or other countries because of cheap labor. It kills us. Why do such a thing to ourselves? I'm on your side...I don't want to see Amercian companies ripping Amercians off anymore. Demand they build a quality v-e-h-i-c-l-e. I took my suburban back four times for the brakes. Four times! Demanded that this $40k dollar truck should not squeal like mad everytime I touch the brakes. After the forth time of trying to cheaply correct it, they told me sorry, we're not working on it anymore. I can't support that type of workmanship. I believe there was a website devoted to the problem, because so many just had to deal with it. Anyway, I'm hungry...time to eat.

JSB

09-03-2003, 02:04 PM

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

JSB

09-03-2003, 02:05 PM

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

09-03-2003, 02:09 PM

JSB:

The reason I mentioned NUMMI in Fremont is to show that I'm well aware of the maquiladoras [sp?] in Mexico that are assembling American nameplates and the converse, where Toyota is assembling on US soil. It was supposed to tie into your Mexico reference.

By doing a web search, we can find all the plants in America: BMW, GM, Ford, Nissan, etc.

I was just acknowledging both sides for a balanced response. This way, the Toyota folks can't try to blast me for being one-sided and blind to all facets.

Sorry to hear about your Suburban. My folks bought a BMW and had even worse experiences. There are certainly lemons or bad draws out of each batch.

David in Germany

09-03-2003, 02:44 PM

wow I am glad everyone is calming down! Can we go wheeling now? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Can't we all just get along!?

JSB

09-03-2003, 02:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SJ:
JSB:

The reason I mentioned NUMMI in Fremont is to show that I'm well aware of the maquiladoras [sp?] in Mexico that are assembling American nameplates and the converse, where Toyota is assembling on US soil. It was supposed to tie into your Mexico reference.

By doing a web search, we can find all the plants in America: BMW, GM, Ford, Nissan, etc.

I was just acknowledging both sides for a balanced response. This way, the Toyota folks can't try to blast me for being one-sided and blind to all facets.

Sorry to hear about your Suburban. My folks bought a BMW and had even worse experiences. There are certainly lemons or bad draws out of each batch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see...and true about the lemon reference.

JSB

09-03-2003, 02:51 PM

Nice pic of Sams rig.
http://www.elcova.com/h2/pitreh2.jpg

DRTYFN

09-03-2003, 02:52 PM

I know this is wrong, but we all need to remember this.

Buckeye Hummer

09-03-2003, 02:53 PM

Tirds,

Kindly list your aftermarket parts, who the manufacturer is, and where the part was manufactured.
*How much did you spend on your yoda to get it ready for heavier duty than pizza delivery?
*Did the cost of modifications exceed what you paid for the "truck/car" originally?
*Do you tow with your off-road yodas, if so, what? (towing chopped off pickup beds does not count).
*Do you think a modified El Camino is faster and more impressive off-road than a Yoda?
*Do you think Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company?
*Do people on Jerry Springer's show remind you of your neighbors?
*Does your Yoda have a rag for a gas cap?
*Does your Yoda have curtains?
*Do you think the "mountain men" in deliverance were just misunderstood?
*Did your huntin’ dog cost more than your yoda?
*Can you change the oil in your truck without ducking your head?
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Steve R

09-03-2003, 03:12 PM

Drtyfn.....you bastard! You made me laugh so hard I almost choked. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the rest of the forum...when are we going to learn to just ignore these "vistors" who sooooooo clearly have a hostile agenda? Time and again we've watched other forums come here to boast their brand and put us in our place.

As a general rule...I tend to avoid anyone ranked as rookie or novice. And when they start telling us how the H2 sucks...that should be a clue that they're not "friendly's" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Toyota IS a solid vehicle....but OH MY GOD is that a tiny-tight fit of a cabin: way narrow, cramped and lacking comfort....an absolute hell to take on any lengthy journey, adventure or outting. The door panels are waffer-thin. Until you've driven in an H2...you just don't know what you're missing! It's like comparing spam to prime-choice steak. Mmmmm....steak..... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I am impressed with the Taccoma's clearance and it has a reasonable approach angle....but unless you clip the tail, she'll drag and get hung-up all day. Course, the only real offroading Toyota would be the FJ-series! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The Tacoma is the prime choice for pool-cleaning service, pizza deliver or a hack carpenter who'll never be a foreman cause he's flakey, sloppy, stupid and only half the craftsman he thinks he is.

As for CrapusTuRD...get real boy! That thing would tip right over in a heart-beat. You're CG is way too high AND your "built" modifications take you way beyond the design/warranty of the vehicle...putting undo stresses on components and causing all sorts of regular breakages. Do YOU know what you're talking about?????? Bet you're traction control system works well too...opps...ya don't have one? You may be the king of the mud-bog....but any sideslope and you're going over!

The H2 is not the King of the offroad world, it does lack clearance and has its weaknesses....but what rig doesn't?. It's really quite simple...if you enjoy what you have, that's all that matters.

DiscoDancingRover

09-03-2003, 03:38 PM

drtyfn I see you found my picture! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

09-03-2003, 04:02 PM

Steve:

Well said as usual!

Toyota Guys:

Don't come here and disrespect people that have good-natured threads. It's just plain wrong and you deserve the responses you get when you step in here on that note. Now SCRAM!

http://www.smiliegenerator.de/smiley-flag/smiley-2106.png

crash

09-03-2003, 04:38 PM

Not all of us NON H2 owners are here to be hostile, just point out the facts
Here are the facts as I see it.
I work on H2's, I know them inside/out and certified on them. I also build off-road specific rigs, from toys-jeeps (if you would like to see my work then ask). I know for a fact what base vehicles work, what don't, and what it takes to modify/make them work.
I am a die hard toy guy, and have spent years developing/building them, but I am also open minded torwards what else is out there, and I see alot of erogance. But, I will also be hanging around to hopefully answer questions when they pop up..

Some of us wheel to get out, some of us, its our lifestyle..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
Drtyfn.....you bastard! You made me laugh so hard I almost choked. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the rest of the forum...when are we going to learn to just ignore these "vistors" who sooooooo clearly have a hostile agenda? Time and again we've watched other forums come here to boast their brand and put us in our place.

As a general rule...I tend to avoid anyone ranked as rookie or novice. And when they start telling us how the H2 sucks...that should be a clue that they're not "friendly's" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Toyota IS a solid vehicle....but OH MY GOD is that a tiny-tight fit of a cabin: way narrow, cramped and lacking comfort....an absolute hell to take on any lengthy journey, adventure or outting. The door panels are waffer-thin. Until you've driven in an H2...you just don't know what you're missing! It's like comparing spam to prime-choice steak. Mmmmm....steak..... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I am impressed with the Taccoma's clearance and it has a reasonable approach angle....but unless you clip the tail, she'll drag and get hung-up all day. Course, the only real offroading Toyota would be the FJ-series! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The Tacoma is the prime choice for pool-cleaning service, pizza deliver or a hack carpenter who'll never be a foreman cause he's flakey, sloppy, stupid and only half the craftsman he thinks he is.

As for CrapusTuRD...get real boy! That thing would tip right over in a heart-beat. You're CG is way too high AND your "built" modifications take you way beyond the design/warranty of the vehicle...putting undo stresses on components and causing all sorts of regular breakages. Do YOU know what you're talking about?????? Bet you're traction control system works well too...opps...ya don't have one? You may be the king of the mud-bog....but any sideslope and you're going over!

The H2 is not the King of the offroad world, it does lack clearance and has its weaknesses....but what rig doesn't?. It's really quite simple...if you enjoy what you have, that's all that matters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

certified H2 tech.

JSB

09-03-2003, 04:59 PM

Steve,

That was well said. Coming from a Guru I wouldn't expect anything less. As I'm sure you've noticed I'm not a big fan of GM's rendition of the Hummer, but that doesn't mean I can't come here and learn more about it. Hell I hadn't heard it had problems with the hood cracking the wind shield until today. Feel free to sway my opinion. Pretend I was that newbie that posted...Interested in the H2, can you tell me more about it...I try to stay objective as I can. I am partial to things that last.(I.E. Not GM) I don't believe that just because I make alot of money, that I should give it away to the highest price tag.(Since brilliant minds have suggested money is the factor) The most wealthy people are the ones that save the penny not spend it. I respect the fact that everyone should be able to purchase what they want, and enjoy it as well, as fashionable as it may be. I guess the H2 owners are bashing the Tacomas because a Tacoma driver voiced his opinion. I was wondering why the Land Cruisers 40s 60s or 80s haven't been brought up. Or if you want to spend money the LX450. I believe it was the highest priced SUV in 96. Maybe 97, I'm not a mag stat dictionary. It has plenty of room for the more heavy set types, that can't fit in a mid size vehicle. I guess another reason why I'm not a big fan is because like GM did to the Corvette...there's one on every corner. I'd like to see something else I guess. Anyway, I looked through the members rides, and there are some pretty cool pictures. I'm glad to see some of you get them dirty. I'm not a big Mud Dogger fan, but what ever floats your boat right. You do your best to ignore my novice post okay. I'm going to read a little more about the H2, before I'll call it a day. Oh BTW, Do you have any pics of your gliders. Those have always interested me, but I've never ventured past cars. I think I'd get seriouly pissed the first time I wrecked one.
Regards...

DiscoDancingRover

09-03-2003, 05:10 PM

I will admit, the LX470 is nice, my father has one, great vehicle. Crash I do want to see your work. Ever do land rover work?

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

Scruff

09-03-2003, 05:14 PM

hey guys this is pretty childish. I don't think either side has bragging rights until they've taken their vehicle off road. Until then you can't really say anything.

As for the american-japanese vehicle issue. What's the point here? Where did that come from? If it weren't for competition why would companies work harder to satisfy us? I mean i feel good buying American. But I'm not going to buy American just to buy American. I buy what i like.

Toyota is not crap. It has the highest quality ratings of mass consumer car company through it's own brand as well as the lexus brand.

The H2 on the other hand does not. It in fact has more problems than any other current vehicle coming off the lines. But it's a new vehicle. Give it time to mature and let GM address these issues.

Also, nothing anyone says here has any worth unless you have something to back it up. No more my truck is better than yours. It's worthless and we're causing pointless bickering... it's like when you see elementary schoolers pissed at eachother because they can't convince the other side that they got the best video game system.

Point of all this? People who like toyotas are going to buy a toyota. People who like H2s are going to buy H2s. We're not here to satisfy eachother. We're here to satisfy ourselves.

Oh but feel free to tear it up off the road... now that's some friendly competition.

Bryanccfshr

09-03-2003, 05:32 PM

As I keep saying, we are all on the same side here. Let's get out and wheel some. Enjoy the outdoors.

F*CK DA H2

09-03-2003, 08:32 PM

Nuff said, f*ck you small *** H2 owners!

http://pics.montypics.com/joshchu/2003-09-03/1062628358_h2.jpg
http://www.by-auto.com/test/hummer2/h2b.jpg

Don't even compare, you dumb****!
http://invis.free.anonymizer.com/http://community.webshots.com/s/image7/4/16/57/86941657yufMpo_ph.jpg

[This message was edited by Jason on 09-03-03 at 06:42 PM.]

argonaut

09-03-2003, 08:58 PM

Jason, can we ban these guys? This last post was really offensive. maybe close this thread too?

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

F*CK DA H2

09-03-2003, 09:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by argonaut:
Jason, can we ban these guys? This last post was really offensive. maybe close this thread too?

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHAHA fa****! **** The H2's. Just look at the pics above and you'll understand why the H2 sucks in every category. The only thing the H2 has going, is that it will make an excellent lawn ornament! HAHAHAHA While my Toyota will be sitting in my driveway!

[This message was edited by Jason on 09-03-03 at 06:43 PM.]

F*CK DA H2

09-03-2003, 09:15 PM

Try this in your h2's *******s!
http://www.truckworld.com/Readers-Rides/images/2001/nov-01/1101Picapiedras.jpg
http://www.truckworld.com/Readers-Rides/images/2001/nov-01/1101Picapiedras1.jpg

oh and buddy, I don't know why you and your bitch crew are hating on 'Yotas, when you guys know they will win an off-road "contest" with H2 and come back home with no problems on the truck whatsoever. Too bad I can't say that about the Tahoe, I mean suburban I mean H2 :P

WHITE BEAST

09-03-2003, 09:20 PM

Good idea, lets get rid of these jerks!

2003 White Lux, Alpine Nav, DVD/Tuner, 3 Screens, Cold Air with Vented Snorkels, Metal Dash & Mats, Corsa Exhaust, SMA - Gas Cover, Side Air Vent, Hood Handles, A/C Rings, Headers, Nology Plugs & Wires.

F*CK DA H2

09-03-2003, 09:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by WHITE BEAST:
Good idea, we should put out H2's on to our lawns!

2003 White Lux, Alpine Nav, DVD/Tuner, 3 Screens, Cold Air with Vented Snorkels, Metal Dash & Mats, Corsa Exhaust, SMA - Gas Cover, Side Air Vent, Hood Handles, A/C Rings, Headers, Nology Plugs & Wires.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN EDITED! NOTHING WORTH KEEPING!

[This message was edited by Jason on 09-03-03 at 06:45 PM.]

crash

09-03-2003, 09:25 PM

wow, that H2 is sure mashed up, one word, ouch...

To each there own, but lets at least show stock verse stock here, thats unfair..

I don't think a pissing match is needed, all rigs have there place, and if we were cloned all off the same, there would be no diversity in the rigs we drive.

I personally would like to see a few H2's out in action, and I don't mean in OPEN spaces, get them out into the tight stuff..

certified H2 tech.

F*CK DA H2

09-03-2003, 09:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by crash:
wow, that H2 is sure mashed up, one word, ouch...

To each there own, but lets at least show stock verse stock here, thats unfair..

I don't think a pissing match is needed, all rigs have there place, and if we were cloned all off the same, there would be no diversity in the rigs we drive.

I personally would like to see a few H2's out in action, and I don't mean in OPEN spaces, get them out into the tight stuff..

certified H2 tech.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with ya!

crash

09-03-2003, 09:27 PM

And mr potty mouth, lets show some respect to these guys, this is there home, the battle between the rigs has beeen going on since the dawn of time. Its just no longer jeep vs. toyota...

certified H2 tech.

DRTYFN

09-03-2003, 09:27 PM

Hey stupid,
u really wanna play? Got enough info on you already from a hacker friend of mine just a couple of minutes ago that we can start having some real fun. should i start posting some of your "personal info"? sure your friends would be interested.

F*CK DA H2

09-03-2003, 09:29 PM

yes I wanna see!

argonaut

09-03-2003, 09:29 PM

That smashed up H2 hit five cars, and then a big dodge ram before coming to a stop. We have seen that pic posted on this forum by trolls at least 15 times. Run a search for the article. it is in the anchorage daily news. I guess the guy blacked out/ had a seizure. Apparently he owned the Hummer dealership in Anchorage.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

crash

09-03-2003, 09:31 PM

We haven't seen any smashed up at work, but looking at the body construction, its pretty sound and judging by that pic, they do take a good smack...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by argonaut:
That smashed up H2 hit five cars, and then a big dodge ram before coming to a stop. We have seen that pic posted on this forum by trolls at least 15 times. Run a search for the article. it is in the anchorage daily news. I guess the guy blacked out/ had a seizure. Apparently he owned the Hummer dealership in Anchorage.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

certified H2 tech.

TacomaOwner

09-03-2003, 09:33 PM

Okay,
before this thread gets shut down I have something I need to say.

I think this could have been resolved back on page 2 or something. You guys enjoy what you drive regardless of our opinions and we'll drive what we enjoy regardless of your opinions.

Simple! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I have to say that I feel a bit bad as a Toyota owner that some of these guys have been so rude on your forum here. I know that should any of you guys come on to our forum we would have responded similarily.

I think everyone can agree with a percentage split that someone put up earlier. 90% driver 10% vehicle.

I don't see the need to put down the H2s any more than I see a reason for the Toyotas to be put down. On a forum that I'm on frequently a lot of the guys laugh about the DRIVER'S stupidity of H2s. Not because they drive H2s but because they thought they were invincible behind the wheel.

I personally would not purchase an H2 nor do I really like the fact that it's such a gas guzzler. But then again, I own a Tacoma so really, what right do I have to be critical (unless, of course, it's a soccer mom running errands only http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)?

So, on behalf of us REASONABLE Toyota owners, I'm sorry that some of these guys felt it necessary to jump in here and be rude on your turf. At the same time I am a bit offended at the anti-American sentiment that has been suggested. Unless your Native American and have used nothing but things you've made from your own hands I don't think you have the right to say that you're any more American than an immigrant that comes here in search of the American dream.

But then again, that's my opinion and another argument altogether.

I hope you guys are having as much fun with your H2s as I am with my 02' Tacoma!

Oh and for some of you hardcore H2 guys - don't take this move for a truce as some sort of victory. I'm just trying to be courteous on your turf so that you guys don't think all us Toyota owners are the same http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

argonaut

09-03-2003, 09:33 PM

post it DRTYFN. Let's all see who this troll is. By the way, the guys at Dick Hannah were nice to me today. I think Tyson was his name. He was pretty cool. I don't remember the jerk I talked to before, but the Tyson guy was nice. The parts guy is not as nice. Mike I think is his name. Plus their prices suck.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

crash

09-03-2003, 09:38 PM

Very nicely said...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by TacomaOwner:
Okay,
before this thread gets shut down I have something I need to say.

I think this could have been resolved back on page 2 or something. You guys enjoy what you drive regardless of our opinions and we'll drive what we enjoy regardless of your opinions.

Simple! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I have to say that I feel a bit bad as a Toyota owner that some of these guys have been so rude on your forum here. I know that should any of you guys come on to our forum we would have responded similarily.

I think everyone can agree with a percentage split that someone put up earlier. 90% driver 10% vehicle.

I don't see the need to put down the H2s any more than I see a reason for the Toyotas to be put down. On a forum that I'm on frequently a lot of the guys laugh about the DRIVER'S stupidity of H2s. Not because they drive H2s but because they thought they were invincible behind the wheel.

I personally would not purchase an H2 nor do I really like the fact that it's such a gas guzzler. But then again, I own a Tacoma so really, what right do I have to be critical (unless, of course, it's a soccer mom running errands only http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)?

So, on behalf of us REASONABLE Toyota owners, I'm sorry that some of these guys felt it necessary to jump in here and be rude on your turf. At the same time I am a bit offended at the anti-American sentiment that has been suggested. Unless your Native American and have used nothing but things you've made from your own hands I don't think you have the right to say that you're any more American than an immigrant that comes here in search of the American dream.

But then again, that's my opinion and another argument altogether.

I hope you guys are having as much fun with your H2s as I am with my 98' Tacoma!

Oh and for some of you hardcore H2 guys - don't take this move for a truce as some sort of victory. I'm just trying to be courteous on your turf so that you guys don't think all us Toyota owners are the same http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

certified H2 tech.

DRTYFN

09-03-2003, 09:40 PM

Next time ask for Brian in parts. Do me a favor and look right at him and then say "where'd you get that bad haircut?" he'll know that i put you up to it.
As for f*ck, i need f to provide me with the ok/dare/permission to proceed. that way when the **** starts flying i've got an umbrella. i'm actually thinking about giving the hacker free reign on this little ****. more fun. plus- plausible deniability. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DennisAJC

09-03-2003, 09:48 PM

WHOW! HOLD EVERYTHING!!!!!

Desert TRD....
Bryanccfshr...
David in Germany...
F*ck the H2.......

HE'S BACK!!!!!!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

DennisAJC

09-03-2003, 09:50 PM

HULK....MUST.....R E S I S T.....TROLL...........................arrrrghhhh!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

argonaut

09-03-2003, 10:10 PM

Go for it Dennis. They have really crossed the line this time. majoobijoobi was funny. This really isn't.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

dostacos

09-03-2003, 10:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JSB:
Nice pic of Sams rig.
http://www.elcova.com/h2/pitreh2.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

seeing that bigass h2 all I have to say is get rid of the big chrome grill and change that lame [all factory racks are lame imo] to one of the big black ones, and lets go wheeling. there will be a bunch of us in MOAB Oct 15-17 come play

Never said I did not LIKE H2s just never had much USE for one http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DRTYFN

09-03-2003, 10:26 PM

Dos,
Got any good 4xing pics? If so, share.

dostacos

09-03-2003, 10:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DRTYFN:
Dos,
Got any good 4xing pics? If so, share.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://community.webshots.com/user/dostacos100

should be coming back from MOAB with some good ones,

Drag

09-03-2003, 10:43 PM

Dennis;
It could be worse, it could be .............ANDKON!!!

No, wait, that swampy little troll knew nothing about cars. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Where the hell is Ed when we need him to do the bull in a china shop routine for these guys. It's OK to come here and have a sensible debate on what rigs are best for what kind of trail, but the whole "Go f*%$ your grandmother" thing,... come on dude. Grow a pair, say that to somebody's face, and I guarantee that I'd make you EAT that same pair that you just grew. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hell, I don't even have an H2 (I'm still waiting to take a look at the SUT), and I am willing to say that the H2 can do some things stock that modded Jeeps can't, and that stock Toyotas can go where H2s can't. (Especially narrow trails, or where the longer wheel base can lead to high centering very easily just to name a few).

To those Yota guys who'd like to have the sensible discussions and maybe an actual day of wheeling together, welcome to the H2 forum. To those who just want to embarrass themselves with the profanity (I won't mention any names), go home. Save yourselves the energy of typing, cause you won't change anyone's mind. For every picture of a flipped H2, there's gonna be one of a flipped Toyota or a flipped Jeep, and what does that prove? That one driver can drive while another can't, which I think is something that we all know by now.

I’ll get down off of the soapbox now. Thank you for your time.

Corvette= "The ability to pass with class"

crash

09-03-2003, 10:44 PM

let me cut the leash http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
HULK....MUST.....R E S I S T.....TROLL...........................arrrrghhhh!

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

certified H2 tech.

argonaut

09-03-2003, 11:24 PM

Where is Ed? i haven't seen a post from him in a long while. maybe he's like MAC and had to go on a long business trip and forgot about us. Come back Ed, we need you now...

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

Bryanccfshr

09-03-2003, 11:39 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DennisAJC:
WHOW! HOLD EVERYTHING!!!!!

Desert TRD....
Bryanccfshr...
David in Germany...
F*ck the H2.......

HE'S BACK!!!!!!

What are you talking about? I have been nothing but courteous , and have only posted that I will wheel with anyone.

However I did link some of these guys to this post. I am a Tacoma owner and I love my truck as much as any of you love your H@. I enjoy performing all the modifications and repairs myself. I bought a Tacoma for it's stock abilities to use as a fishing vehicle. Light towing and trail riding. An SUV is not a good fishing vehicle for obvious reasons. An open seperate bed along with dependable get me home everytime reliabilty and capability attracted me to my truck.

What attracted you folks to the H2?
I began browsing this board for research.
My wife has been hinting for me to buy her an H2. This seemed like a good source to do a little research.
Thanks for the view of the H2 attitude. I will convey this thread to my wife.
Bryan

Here is my humble little Taco.http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pb0a85ccd0c231dc435c4768723aed694/fb581570.jpg

[This message was edited by Bryanccfshr on 09-03-03 at 06:49 PM.]

Detonate

09-04-2003, 12:16 AM

In my opinion Toyota's are American Cars.

Right after we bombed the **** out of Japan and they surrendered, they became mini-America.

But Toyota's still suck. My boss has a Tacoma, and me and him went off roading. After about 2 hours, I got tired of literally towing him on the trail and decided to tow him back.

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

JSB

09-04-2003, 12:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by F*CK DA H2:
yes I wanna see!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe he already challenged your friends hacking abilities. Now show us who he is. I'm curious to see who is causing the Toyota Community to be frown upon. I don't condone that behavior, and I'm sure you'll find most in any community don't. My apologies as well.

RockYoda

09-04-2003, 12:26 AM

Well this discussion has gone on long enough. I would like to apoligize to this board for an A$$hole that thinks he is part of the Toyoda community. His immature posts were not called for nor do they represent ANY person who calls themselves and member of the off-road community. I hope i did not offend anybody by what some would call "rude" comments. They were not inteded that way.

I truly love VEHICLEs that are manufactured for people out of the norm. I feel that if it were up to some people we would all drive little gay cars that can only seat 4 people and only drive on paved roads. Now that would be a true shame. I hope that one day i can wheel with some of you H2 guys to really show what these things can do. (Maybe i can even pic up a used one as a trail truck some day!) Well i personnal feel that this thread should be locked and ended... Not deleted just locked. Just my .02 ...

[This message was edited by RockYoda on 09-03-03 at 07:36 PM.]

JSB

09-04-2003, 12:30 AM

Oh no! The spelling teacher is going to chime in again. It's VEHICLE PEOPLE! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Sorry...Just had to.

Bryanccfshr

09-04-2003, 12:35 AM

DETONATE<
That's a nice story. I am still looking for someone in Corpus to pull me around. Your post has me excited about what's out there!!
There may be trails I have yet to see because I do not have a Hummer to pull me around. These are "secret" trails no doubt.

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

RockYoda

09-04-2003, 12:37 AM

so.. my spelling sucks...

DennisAJC

09-04-2003, 01:15 AM

Let's face it. The rude retards trying to crash everyones party are kids trying to disrupt the true members.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT...

If the H2 was the same price as the Toyota TRD's , Tacomas, 4Runners......well, this wouldn't be happening now honestly. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

The next posts to disagree are prime candidates. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

NEGATE

09-04-2003, 01:21 AM

Dostacos,

Yes, I would be into rolling on a few trails with you.

I see you are in S.C. Me too. Truckhaven is cool as is Anza. Im maybe not as EXTREME as some but afer a weekend out it would give you a better idea of what the Hummer will do.

My son plays a lot of soccer but im sure we could work something out. Mind you, I refuse to talk crap, but would be into having a good time on the trails. Its funny, everyone I have ever been out with has worked togather to get through the trail, thats offroading to mehttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

dostacos

09-04-2003, 02:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NEGATE:
Dostacos,

Yes, I would be into rolling on a few trails with you.

I see you are in S.C. Me too. Truckhaven is cool as is Anza but it does not have the RANGERS like Anza does. Im maybe not as EXTREME as some but afer a weekend out it would give you a better idea of what the Hummer will do.

My son plays a lot of soccer but im sure we could work something out. Mind you, I refuse to talk crap, when wheeling, the only crap spoken is "oh ****!"but would be into having a good time on the trails. Its funny, everyone I have ever been out with has worked togather to get through the trail, thats offroading to mehttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifyes in deed, my Tacoma club may razz the guy around the campfire, but we help whenever it is wanted.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Truck Haven would leave us BOTH begging for mercy at certain parts http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There was a trail in the Los Coyotes indian res that I would love to have watched a Hummer do [long rutted steep and begging for a long wheelbase] http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Buckeye Hummer

09-04-2003, 02:58 AM

Bryanccfshr,

I actually like the look of your ride. Yes, I am a die-hard GM buyer but yours looks pretty cool, quite nimble and I'm sure the coolers are full of beer. What kind?

David in Germany

09-04-2003, 03:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JSB:
Oh no! The spelling teacher is going to chime in again. It's VEHICLE PEOPLE! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Sorry...Just had to.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My hero!
David
PS this could be a start to a cool New club! "Hummers and Yotas Offroading Association"
Can't we all just get along!?

82crawler

09-04-2003, 04:12 AM

Come on guys, really....

The H1 with full independant suspension and 16" of ground clearance? And people want to call the H2 a "offroad vehicle"? The H2 is nothing more than a "I own a bigger and more expensive land yacht than you do".

Go cruise at the mall and show how well you take the speed bumps!

Steve R

09-04-2003, 04:47 AM

82crawler...

Are you trying to be a dickhead...or does that offensive personality just seep through your feeble little mind???

Seriously...what kind of jerk comes onto some other people's forum and starts blasting ignorant and offensive remarks like that?

If you can't discern between the Tahoe and an H2...then you wouldn't know the difference between a Tacoma and a Tercel.

Why don't you take your offensive little mind elsewhere.....cause from my perspective you're just a scrotum sucking rectal wart....

Someone get that boy an extinguisher!

82crawler

09-04-2003, 05:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>..cause from my perspective you're just a scrotum sucking rectal wart....

Someone get that boy an extinguisher!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to admit I didnt read the WHOLE post before adding my comment. Seems a few people here want to have decent conversation.

I dont care for the H2 for a number of reasons. But I dont think its worse than any other "4X4" coming out today except the $$$$$$ price tag.

I am a die-hard toyota fan but the new rubicon series Jeep is the best NEW "STOCK 4X4" you can buy.

I was thinking of putting Dana 60's on my truck. After some consideration I declined because my Truck hardly fits on anything I'd call a trail. I wonder how a H2 would perform on that trail?

I live near Reno, Nevada and I welcome a "friendly" challenge to anyone who owns a H2. Make a believer out of me! You pick the trail and we'll wheel.

Steve R

09-04-2003, 05:20 AM

Sorry 'bout that last post....this forum warps my sense of judgement at times. It's very cool of you Yota guys to apologize for the offensive and inappropriate behavior of those hostile jerks who come here for no other reason then to provoke a battle and cause problems.

First of all...there are some seriously cool Toyota guys here in the mix: we are definitely going to have to get together and enjoy some offroading fun in the not-to-distant future. Rockyoda & DosTacos...you are both local to me & Jason and we're headed out this friday to goof around at some local area that a friend just turned us onto.

I've said it to Rockyoda no less then 3x....send me your emails and we can arrange to hook-up. We've got ourselves a great offroad club and we have a blast...let's get you both dialed-in & hooked-up likety split!

Also...let's wrap-the-crap and call an end to this absurdity: Both vehicles have 4 tires rotating effectively on the ground. Each have suspension, a 4x4 system, clearance and can effectively handle off-road situations. Yes, they vary in weight, width, wheelbase, and certain angles: each has it's advantages and disadvantages. It's just that damn simple....get over it!

In the end, the driver will always make the difference, I've caked-walked through stuff that several H1's in my club got screwed-up on. The H2 has clawed & grinded it's way up hills where Jeeps had problems. At the same time...I've seen the H2 get messed-up on simple stuff: she's a pig, no doubt.

What's important is that we live in a country and enjoy a time & lifestyle where we can actually get out, buy toys and have a bunch of fun. All these rigs are mixed to death with parts made all over the world: built in America, assembled in Mexico with parts made in Korea & China, designed by Canadians and engineered by Germans. Come on guys...can we please rise above this trivial cesspool of comparative absurdity? (opps...did I already use that word????)

There are lemon GM's, Hummers, and even Toyotas. Well...I heard of one once. How can anyone take so much pride in something they didn't build, design, engineer or help to create. We blow the coin and turn the key. And NO, paying someone else to put a lift-kit and bigger tires doesn't mean squat.

For our part, I'll apologize for the forum for any auto-repsonse-hostility we've thrown at the Toyota crew. We've endured seemingly countless attacks from other hostile forums. It gets old after a while and has perhaps made us a bit itchy on the trigger. Again...there's lots of great Toyota guys in the mix.

I hate to quote some dumbass who was made famous by running from the law and getting his ass whooped on public tv....but can't we all just get along?

Steve R

09-04-2003, 05:25 AM

82crawler...

VERY decent of you!!!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I will accordingly retract my assertion that you are a scrotum-sucking rectal wart AND go so far as to speculate (based on what you just wrote) that you too would be someone fun to hang-out and enjoy offroading with.

We should all be directing our negative energy towards the environmentalist who seek to shut us down!

Glad we're on the same page!

Steve R

09-04-2003, 05:33 AM

82Crawler...

I'll meet ya for a challenge, but I'll take my buddies rig if you don't mind. According to him....YOU don't have a REAL Toyota.

Are you sure you still wanna try me?

82crawler

09-04-2003, 05:38 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
We should all be directing our negative energy towards the environmentalist who seek to shut us down!

Glad we're on the same page!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AMEN

82crawler

09-04-2003, 05:41 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I'll take my buddies rig if you don't mind. According to him....YOU don't have a REAL Toyota.

Are you sure you still wanna try me?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Awe....

I love the old land cruisers, they bring a tear to my eye.

I dont think my stocker would hold up to a LC but I'd enjoy the trip for sure...

JSB

09-04-2003, 11:22 AM

Isn't this funny looking back. All the testosterone gets going, and people start lashing out with out thinking. Then we stop and think...what the heck am I doing...Thank god we're not a couple of countries...the war would have been over by now...and we were arguing about what? I vote to close this thread before some one reads one or two pages of it, and gets offended and throws their reactions out.

Detonate

09-04-2003, 11:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by 82crawler:
Go cruise at the mall and show how well you take the speed bumps!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Last time I was at the mall I saw no other H2's.

Yet I saw at least 50 or so Toyota Trucks and SUVs.

And the last time I was wheelin' there were other H2's and no Toyotas at all.

Just FYI

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

[This message was edited by Detonate on 09-04-03 at 06:39 AM.]

DennisAJC

09-04-2003, 11:33 AM

It's a money issue I tells ya!

"FOOD FOR THOUGHT...

If the H2 was the same price as the Toyota TRD's , Tacomas, 4Runners......well, this wouldn't be happening now honestly.

The next posts to disagree are prime candidates who deperately want one but can't, so they lash out."

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

David in Germany

09-04-2003, 11:50 AM

Group Hug!!!! lol Guys I Miss out on all the fun! you guys stateside need to do it up and cook some dead mamals over open fire and drink some barly based liquid products for good old D in G! and if you do there needs to be some videos posted. How about a club name "H2-YO" flow like water! And with that thought I feel the need to throw up a picture of the most UGLY Toyota I own (I think the wrecked Taco posted http://www.montypics.com/pic.php?url=/david_in_germany/2003-01-05/truck.jpg even looks better than mine!)

Can't we all just get along!?

09-04-2003, 01:58 PM

Detonate:

You read my mind - exactly. I see tons of lifted Toyotas that probably never leave the pavememt.

I've retired to ignore the trolls at this point. They came here to spew insults and it speaks volumes to their character as individuals.

The day I let a Toyota fanatic make me feel bad for buying American is the day I denounce my American citizenship - NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Bryanccfshr

09-04-2003, 02:08 PM

Buckeye Hummer

Thanks for the compliment. I will give the H2 designers props for the great departure angle and putting 35's on a stock vehicle.
It's all about getting what makes you happy and works for you.
My cooler is full of fish, the other one has a few Silver bullets(hey it's hot paddling that Kayak) left.

Bryanccfshr

09-04-2003, 02:15 PM

Hear Hear! You guys are getting the same attacks the Tacoma boards had to endure. As a poser grocery getter to new and to expensive at the time of it's release to be wheeled seriously. I can empathize with your auto-defensiveness. Every group has there rotten apples, but sometimes those apples become usefull. Some of the rudest personalities on message boards end up being great knowledgabble people who really know what they are talking about...they just get fed up on the internet. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
Sorry 'bout that last post....this forum warps my sense of judgement at times. It's very cool of you Yota guys to apologize for the offensive and inappropriate behavior of those hostile jerks who come here for no other reason then to provoke a battle and cause problems.

First of all...there are some seriously cool Toyota guys here in the mix: we are definitely going to have to get together and enjoy some offroading fun in the not-to-distant future. Rockyoda & DosTacos...you are both local to me & Jason and we're headed out this friday to goof around at some local area that a friend just turned us onto.

I've said it to Rockyoda no less then 3x....send me your emails and we can arrange to hook-up. We've got ourselves a great offroad club and we have a blast...let's get you both dialed-in & hooked-up likety split!

Also...let's wrap-the-crap and call an end to this absurdity: Both vehicles have 4 tires rotating effectively on the ground. Each have suspension, a 4x4 system, clearance and can effectively handle off-road situations. Yes, they vary in weight, width, wheelbase, and certain angles: each has it's advantages and disadvantages. It's just that damn simple....get over it!

In the end, _the driver will always make the difference_, I've caked-walked through stuff that several H1's in my club got screwed-up on. The H2 has clawed & grinded it's way up hills where Jeeps had problems. At the same time...I've seen the H2 get messed-up on simple stuff: she's a pig, no doubt.

What's important is that we live in a country and enjoy a time & lifestyle where we can actually get out, buy toys and have a bunch of fun. All these rigs are mixed to death with parts made all over the world: built in America, assembled in Mexico with parts made in Korea & China, designed by Canadians and engineered by Germans. Come on guys...can we _please_ rise above this trivial cesspool of comparative absurdity? (opps...did I already use that word????)

There are lemon GM's, Hummers, and even Toyotas. Well...I heard of one once. How can anyone take so much pride in something they didn't build, design, engineer or help to create. We blow the coin and turn the key. And NO, paying someone else to put a lift-kit and bigger tires doesn't mean squat.

For our part, I'll apologize for the forum for any auto-repsonse-hostility we've thrown at the Toyota crew. We've endured seemingly countless attacks from other hostile forums. It gets old after a while and has perhaps made us a bit itchy on the trigger. Again...there's lots of great Toyota guys in the mix.

I hate to quote some dumbass who was made famous by running from the law and getting his ass whooped on public tv....but can't we all just get along?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JSB

09-04-2003, 03:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by 82crawler:
Go cruise at the mall and show how well you take the speed bumps!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Last time I was at the mall I saw no other H2's.

Yet I saw at least 50 or so Toyota Trucks and SUVs.

And the last time I was wheelin' there were other H2's and no Toyotas at all.

Just FYI

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
_Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder_

[This message was edited by Detonate on 09-04-03 at 06:39 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just out of curiosity, where are you wheeling? 360 is as good as closed, and Marshall Creek is close to being off limits. Are you going to Gilmer or what? Just looking for new places. I know you have to see H2s at the Parks mall in Arlington. I saw a few tax free weekend. Of course there were several Toyotas, GMs, Fords, Infinitys, Lexus, Nissans, Mercs, etc. Three live in my neighborhood, but I don't care. Where are you wheeling? Have you picked up any fines at 360? We got chased one night, but not caught! My buddy has an awesome picture of his Dodge on top of a burned Caddy out there. He has 38's though.

09-04-2003, 04:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by RockYoda:
Well this discussion has gone on long enough. I would like to apoligize to this board for an A$$hole that thinks he is part of the Toyoda community. His immature posts were not called for nor do they represent ANY person who calls themselves and member of the off-road community. I hope i did not offend anybody by what some would call "rude" comments. They were not inteded that way.

I truly love VEHICLEs that are manufactured for people out of the norm. I feel that if it were up to some people we would all drive little gay cars that can only seat 4 people and only drive on paved roads. Now that would be a true shame. I hope that one day i can wheel with some of you H2 guys to really show what these things can do. (Maybe i can even pic up a used one as a trail truck some day!) Well i personnal feel that this thread should be locked and ended... Not deleted just locked. Just my .02 ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bulls**t RockYoda. YOU insulted me directly with YOUR "Commie" remark and now you're trying to make as if it's OTHER people in your group that are the a**holes. You're pathetic - you can't even define Communism. My family lived through it, so I think I have an idea and I'm far from being one.

I defended other members here when YOU and others started in with us. For my loyalty, I get to watch as you try to play innocent. I'd ban your sorry ass in a second, but it's not my call.

I won't speak-up next time; nobody gives a s**t except a few members here. Go wheeling with the Southern Cal group and have fun. They might choose to ignore your insults, but I won't. Until you apologize for YOUR words here, like a real man, then some of us won't buy into your horse manure. I know because people have sent me e-mails saying you should be banned.

Bryanccfshr

09-04-2003, 04:01 PM

I was wondering the same. Arlington is notoriously vacant of legal wheeling areas.
After the last Texas bill restricting access to waterways(the Slab for example) there is not much public land for wheeling anymore in most of central and north Texas.

JSB

09-04-2003, 04:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bryanccfshr:
I was wondering the same. Arlington is notoriously vacant of legal wheeling areas.
After the last Texas bill restricting access to waterways(the Slab for example) there is not much public land for wheeling anymore in most of central and north Texas.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what I thought too, but I was hoping Detonate could shed some light on the topic.

Detonate

09-04-2003, 04:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JSB:
Just out of curiosity, where are you wheeling? 360 is as good as closed, and Marshall Creek is close to being off limits.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>360 is the closest place I've wheeled.

It's also where I took my boss.

I haven't got to go wheelin in quite some time because the only other guy I know with a 4x4 just passed away, and the one time I went wheelin' alone, I got stuck.

Besides 360 and Marshal Creek, there is Gilmor, AGR Wheelin' Ranch, and K-Rocks.

I also have a friend with a **** load of land near Quana.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I know you have to see H2s at the Parks mall in Arlington. I saw a few tax free weekend.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I haven't personally seen one there before. I've seen them at Outback, and some of the restraunts, but that's it.

Of cousre I only go to the Mall for the movie theater and I park outside of Galyon's.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Of course there were several Toyotas, GMs, Fords, Infinitys, Lexus, Nissans, Mercs, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course there were. That was kind my point. Just because you see them at the mall or whatever doesn't mean anything.

We had an H2 offroad thing at AGR and there was this dude out there with a seriously chromed up black H2. Seeing it on the streets you'd never think he'd wheel it. Yet he was the first one up every obstacle we did that day.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>My buddy has an awesome picture of his Dodge on top of a burned Caddy out there. He has 38's though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's see it!!!!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

JSB

09-04-2003, 04:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JSB:
Just out of curiosity, where are you wheeling? 360 is as good as closed, and Marshall Creek is close to being off limits.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>360 is the closest place I've wheeled.

It's also where I took my boss.

I haven't got to go wheelin in quite some time because the only other guy I know with a 4x4 just passed away, and the one time I went wheelin' alone, I got stuck.

Besides 360 and Marshal Creek, there is Gilmor, AGR Wheelin' Ranch, and K-Rocks.

I also have a friend with a **** load of land near Quana.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I know you have to see H2s at the Parks mall in Arlington. I saw a few tax free weekend.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I haven't personally seen one there before. I've seen them at Outback, and some of the restraunts, but that's it.

Of cousre I only go to the Mall for the movie theater and I park outside of Galyon's.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Of course there were several Toyotas, GMs, Fords, Infinitys, Lexus, Nissans, Mercs, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course there were. That was kind my point. Just because you see them at the mall or whatever doesn't mean anything.

We had an H2 offroad thing at AGR and there was this dude out there with a seriously chromed up black H2. Seeing it on the streets you'd never think he'd wheel it. Yet he was the first one up every obstacle we did that day.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>My buddy has an awesome picture of his Dodge on top of a burned Caddy out there. He has 38's though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Let's see it!!!!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
_Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where are AGR Wheelin' Ranch, and K-Rocks? Are they as far as Gilmer? I'll ask my buddy if he can dig it up. It was funny...because when he got it up there, he opened his door and had to climb out onto the bed, over the tail gate and jump off the rear bumper. His 38's always rubbed too, because he only had a 3" Rancho lift. If you know of any groups that gather for trips or trail rides or something let us know. There doesn't seem to be a very good following in our area. BTW, sorry to hear the loss of your friend. I hate going out by myself too. I didn't get stuff the last time, but dang close. The time before yes. I don't care too much for mud. It hasn't been very nice.

Detonate

09-04-2003, 04:40 PM

Everything is far, unfortunatley...

We are going to K-Rocks in October:
http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=2306011751&m=4246096614

AGR
http://www.agrwheelinranch.com/

K-Rocks
http://www.katemcyrocks.com/

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

JSB

09-04-2003, 05:20 PM

That place up in Nocona looks cool. I might have to give them a visit. Thanks for the info Detonate. I saw one of my neighbors in the photo gallery of K-Rocks. See ya around.

Ted

09-04-2003, 11:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
82Crawler...

I'll meet ya for a challenge, but I'll take my buddies rig if you don't mind. According to him....YOU don't have a REAL Toyota.

Are you sure you still wanna try me?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice looking TLC.

Steve R

09-05-2003, 12:00 AM

I had put together a post that somehow didn't make it's way to this thread.

Basically...I'm very pleased that we've all come to peaceful terms. In a short matter of merely 4 posts....82Crawler and I went from adversaries to buds. The T-crew has been very cordial in their manner and I respect that a good deal. Some of our own members haven't quite realized the white-flags are flying just yet....so let's keep the peace and enjoy what we have in common.

JSB.....you're a gentlemen & an off-roader! "ultimate-respect" for ya!

DosTacos & Rockyoda....Jason & I are headed out tomorrow to do some exploring up past Lake Castaic. A customer of mine knows some hidden-like areas: join us????

argonaut

09-05-2003, 01:07 AM

That's one reason I love Oregon. We have so many OHV areas, and a lot are within an hour drive (some even closer). I love my state.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

Bryanccfshr

09-05-2003, 01:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
Everything is far, unfortunatley...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's like Corpus, not much down this way. Went to Devil's Den a couple of week's back amd plan to go again in December. A few of us will be going to the Big Bend Bash in October, but that is a looooooong way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are the Shady areas such as Sea Pines(fun in ther right conditions) and oso park(boring and trashed like everything else in corpus).

Do you plan to wheel at the Big Bend Bash? That's a tough trip.

RockYoda

09-05-2003, 01:51 AM

JSB,

I insulted you directly with my "Commie" remark!? Man get over yourself thinking your all high and mighty! I was being SARCASTIC!! For being all educated (or playing like you are) you sure can't spot a joke. The reason i put that you are a commie was a play on your past posts of being the ULTIMATE AMERICAN (i'm being sarcastic again.. in case you didn't spot it) (i buy american everything.. blah.. blah.. blah.. ) If you think that i truly meant that you are a commie, I AM SORRY TO YOU JSB! (does that make you feel better?)

Definition of Communism:Main Entry: com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: 'käm-y&-"ni-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

there are you happy??

As far as starting in with you H2 guys i believe that in past posts i have only put down the music that was in one video. As a matter of fact i praised the guys for taking their very expensive H2s and getting them dirty! I never once put down any H2 drivers or the ability of an H2! I would love to go weeling with some H2s to see them in action. Like i have said before, I LIKE THE H2!!!!! The only thinks that i have written on here that maybe could be taken bad are: "Its great to see H2 on the trails.. just not in front of me" this me just being a smart ass and "My yoda can go places that H2 can't" which is absolutly true!!

If the majority of the people here want me banned... than ban me! The last time i check this is a DISSCUSSION board and we are the disscussing the differances between the Toyodas and the Hummer H2. I could really care less! I think if things were your call only people who agreed with your views blindly would still be here!

Well for once and all, I AM SORRY IF OFFENDED ANYONE!

DennisAJC

09-05-2003, 02:47 AM

We all talk ****, but we're still on the same side regardless of our differences. I wish we could save this intensity for some ELVISH forum.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Steve R

09-05-2003, 03:57 AM

RockYoda,

I am offended that you spell your name RockYoDa and not RockYoTa

I am offended that you have failed to post any pics of scantly clad women.

Now....I took the time to walk upstairs and nab this photo from my bedroom for ya'all:

Steve R

09-05-2003, 04:00 AM

Okay...that wasn't the best pic of her....but what the heck. My house has been converted into a set for a Trace Adkins video. They've got my whole bedroom "dressed" and this babe is shaking it on my bed. She was Ms. Makita last year and has done several things. Not her best pic though!!!!

82crawler

09-05-2003, 04:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I am offended that you have failed to post any pics of scantly clad women.

Now....I took the time to walk upstairs and nab this photo from my bedroom for ya'all:<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now you're talk'n!

I agree with Steve, enough stones have been thrown. I think rather than shoot our mouths off we should get together and wheel, and then talk $HIT.

Even then it should be over a toast of many beers http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

argonaut

09-05-2003, 04:46 AM

As soon as beers are mentioned I am in, but no domestic crap. Nice microbrews please...

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

DennisAJC

09-05-2003, 04:51 AM

Personally, I like the Foreign beers.

American beer is too filling. The barley's probably from Germany http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

Detonate

09-05-2003, 11:26 AM

This picture looks like a dude with women's clothes on. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

JSB

09-05-2003, 12:23 PM

RockYado,
I'm not sure why you decided to chastise me about being American proud. You must have my intitials confused with SJ. SJ only does American, not me. As a matter of fact he probably only drinks red blooded American beer too. Just kidding with SJ, please don't take offense. I love my country too. I've got family supporting your freedom right now.

As far as the beer is concerned I like the stinky Heineken. Maybe it's because I like tell the waitress...could you bring me a couple of Hiney's...hehehe.

SteveR...right back at ya. I appreciate the kind words.

09-05-2003, 01:02 PM

Rock Yoda:

I think your response was aimed at me, not JSB. The tone and context of your post were NOT joking [I went back and read it again], but you can play that card now and I'll take your half-assed explanation for what it's worth. If you look at the timing of when you chimed in and how you phrased everything, a rational person would take it as an insult.

Given that my family suffered through communism and not a single one of them ever joined the party - I do take offense. My family lost their land and prominent jobs because they didn't join the "People's Party."

On the topic of Beer: I like Czech, American, and Canadian all at the same time [Staropramen, LEV, Urquell, Rogue, Labatt, Red Hook] for the record - far better than German beer IMO! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

09-05-2003, 01:08 PM

JSB:

No offense buddy - I can take a joke and I'm only a hard-ass when trolls come here. I've never had ill words with any of the "regulars" and sincere folks on this board, so far as I can recall. God bless your family member(s) that is/are serving.

Heineken works for me too! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bryanccfshr

09-05-2003, 03:16 PM

Phil,
I would love to hook up with a properly equiped rig and competent wheeler to play at Sea pines with. Alot of throttle jockeys play out ther though.
Good luck on the trip, I am always working when these events are scheduled. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
[/QUOTE]
I shan't show you the pictures of me getting stuck out at Sea Pines http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But needless to say I've had to use my Pull Pal a good few times out there.

Yes, I'll be wheeling at Big Bend. But I'm not looking forward to the drive out there.[/QUOTE]

Bryanccfshr

09-05-2003, 10:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bryanccfshr:
Phil,
I would love to hook up with a properly equiped rig and competent wheeler to play at Sea pines with. Alot of throttle jockeys play out ther though.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sure, although I wouldn't say I have a properly equipped rig or am a competent wheeler http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I generally find it is best to go out there early evening during the week, it can get a bit busy with the go fast guys on the weekend and sometimes they can be a real hazard. Drop me a private message and we can meet up one evening over the next few weeks, I'm free most evenings.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool, I prefer weekdays myself. I spend most of them down P.I.N.S. When I am off work for my R&R.

RockYoda

09-05-2003, 10:40 PM

SJ, Yes it was aimed at you not JSB, my fault.

Buckeye Hummer

09-06-2003, 02:11 AM

You know you drive a Toyota if:

You have curtains in your rig http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

This is friendly ribbing guys. I took this pic on the way to 4 wheel with Steve today. I couldn't resist. I do have respect for the yoda trucks (even though the yoda guys we invited today were no-shows). More pics if you visit the general section.

JSB

09-07-2003, 12:48 AM

Well my Burb Sh!t out on me again today. This time I think it's the alternator. Thank god it didn't fail on my wife yesterday with our baby. This Texas heat would have been a killer to sit in for a while. Had a flat bed take it to the dealer again. I guess I'll find out Monday. Good thing my 4Runner with 108k was available. hehehe! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I think I got a lemmon. This is the forth battery, second set of terminals, and probably a new alternator. My 1993 GMC stepside had some alternator problems too. Good old Delphi needs to learn how to make a good one.

DRTYFN

09-08-2003, 02:59 AM

Steve R

09-08-2003, 05:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
This picture looks like a dude with women's clothes on. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude...I know. I swear on everything holy that SHEis 100% pure babe and thoroughly hot. I have no idea why that pic looks so terrible. After I shot it, they got annoyed because of the flash and kicked me out of my own bedoroom.

I will avenge that crummy picture. In the meanwhile please enjoy these classics:

Steve R

09-08-2003, 05:52 AM

and this

Detonate

09-08-2003, 11:51 AM

Thou hast been REDEEMED!!!

-Jim March
Arlington TX
2003 Red H2
Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder

David in Germany

09-08-2003, 12:09 PM

HEY THOSE CAN'T BE NATURAL. they are too perfect must have been doctored up pictures. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can't we all just get along!?

TBarrow

09-08-2003, 09:22 PM

Is it to much to ask to get an underhood shot?

Black H2 Adventure Series + Luxury, AirForce One intake, Throttle Body Bypass, Gobi Rack w/2" Brackets & 4 PIAA 580 Lights, Alcoa Wheels, Goodyear 37x12.50x17 MT/R, Warn 9.5Ti Thermometric Winch, DiabloSport programmer,160 Degree T-Stat, 2-7" screens in headrests with DVD player and TV Tuner.

DRTYFN

09-08-2003, 11:33 PM

I'd really like to see the intake and exhaust manifolds!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DennisAJC

09-09-2003, 03:06 AM

Steve,

Those photos remind me of that movie, SILENCE OF THE LAMBS dance.

Won't trust the photos unless I see the hoo hoos.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

David in Germany

09-09-2003, 08:39 AM

I was going to follow up with some pictures but imagine the repercussion when a toyota guy Would infect the poor little H2 minds with such irisponsable posting. (I bet the other H2 guys would like it though) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
David

Can't we all just get along!?

DRTYFN

09-09-2003, 02:26 PM

David,
Since you're in Germany, I can only imagine what kind of pics you'd have. Some of the wildest pics I've ever seen have come from Germany. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SuperPoser

09-09-2003, 08:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by 2slo4now:
Hey CronusTRD

Your right your 1950's straight axle design is the best. Smooth ride, no bump steer, no tracking problems. It is truly a shame that every truck manufacturer builds most of their 4x4 trucks with IFS front suspension. They are so stupid. Even the H1 which has IFS front and rear does so bad offroad that it is the vehicle of choice of the US military. You know the other real cheezy off road 4x4 trucks that run IFS is all the top finishers of the BAJA 500. If you like straight axles run them. Just don't expect me to use that rough ridin Junk.

Dan from Alabama<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

2slo4now

just some info onyour post...
ifs is cheaper to manufactuer, and rides smoother on the highway... 2 +'s for the majority of the market they are selling too...

ifs wins the baja.. you are correct...
ifs is very good at high speeds, much better than a solid axle up front...

for rock crawling (which I enjoy the most) solid axle is much better due to the amount of flex one is able to get with very little modding...

hope this helps

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

SuperPoser

09-09-2003, 08:13 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
A stock Toyota TRD/4Runner
A stock H2........I'll take the H2

A built up Toyota TRD/4Runner
A built up H2........HMMMMM..H2 of course

POWER, CARGO, LOOKS, ABILITY????
Toyota vs Hummer????????.........Dream on.

They're all nice CARS but they ain't Hummers

Mabye try and compare with a KIA Sorento not an H2...out of your league.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[This message was edited by DennisAJC on 08-31-03 at 09:59 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the taco would be my pick of thoes 2, but what ever I ended up getting, it would not remain stock...lol

sas taco over any h2 I have ever seen...
mayby we willsee some highly modded h2's popping up sometime soon?

power... h2,
looks... haha they are both ugly as heck!
ability... stock, not sure, but h2 is higly limited by its width... modded, sas taco by far...

I honestly have never seen h2 vs yotas before this forum...
usually its jeeps vs yota's....
which we all know h2's and yota's kick jeeps butts anyday....lol
hehe

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

SuperPoser

09-09-2003, 08:16 PM

SuperPoser

09-09-2003, 08:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by argonaut:
... but if you lift a an H2 like one of the forum members here, then you have a vehicle that can kick the crap out of any silly import.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

if you are talking about tacoma's, they are built here in the USA dude
not sure where 4runners are built?

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

SuperPoser

09-09-2003, 08:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chris:
CronusTRD what was up with that range rover picture? What are you trying to say about the Range Rover? The Range Rover is a very capable vehicle. Not the best for off-road in the Land Rover range, but still very capable. Wow you have a picture when they are stuck in snow. Do you feel special. What was the point of that. You people put huge lifts on yours and put huge tires on yours. And you try to compare yours to stock vehicles. Come on get a life!

Tell me when you find toyota's being used in africa and 3rd world countries because they are so capable? Well other then the FJ40, thats bad ass, but I am talking about your pickups.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the toyota hilux is basically a taco... few things different...

in south aferica. there are a lot of mazda's...
and they are a lot better than the ones we have aroudn here...
go figure

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

09-10-2003, 03:26 PM

Mike E:

This thread sort of died-down. Just for the record, as I think there is a HUGE misconception:

The Toyota Tacoma is ASSEMBLED in Fremont, CA - very close to my old hometown. The parts are still mostly JAPANESE. Product control is JAPANESE and market share is thereby granted to a JAPANESE company. Revenue from sells flows to a JAPANESE corporation.

Police forces still buy Ford & GM for good reason. Wall Street Journal and most major publications do an annual power rankings report on both domestic and foreign companies. Ford and GM are listed as AMERICAN and Toyota is still indeed JAPANESE.

When you buy a Toyota, you may offer assembly, supplier, and support jobs to Americans; plus some of the design is done stateside.

If the USA eventually only assembles Toyotas, Hondas, and BMWs, then we are relegated to a 2nd-tier manufacturer. We are no longer the "braintrust" behind engineering, innovating, and ultimately controlling the production of automotive products. Instead, we rely on the foreign brands to grant permission for us to assemble and take part in their products.

I don't know about you, but as an American; we shouldn't be relegated to assembling foreign nameplates. We're not a 2nd-tier nation and I'd hate to see it come to that.

I give my loyalty, support, and pride to American nameplates because contrary to the myths it still matters. Not all parts on a Chevy truck are American, but the positives still lean further in our favor versus a Toyota that's assembled in California, yet still under Japanese control. Toyota saves money by shipping parts versus fully assembled units, plus they undercut the import ceiling that was establsihed many years ago.

So, my overlying issue is when you make a comment like the Toyota is MADE in the USA! Yes, assembled, but it is NOT American and it never will be. They can ship all the parts from Tokyo to my backyard, but I'd still call it a Japanese product; not coming from my countrymen in terms of innovation, control, and worldwide recognition to boot.

SuperPoser

09-10-2003, 11:05 PM

sorry to bring up an old thread,

I just joined recently while looking for more guys to wheel with...

yes a lot of the parts are shipped in from over seas...
but... I have several friends who work at a GM plant where they make cavalears, and sunfires /(used to make sunbirds)... in Lordstown...
and about 90% of the material is shipped in from over seas...

the problem is... its cheaper for big companys to ship in due to low tarrifs than it is to buy off of american companys...

would I buy a sunbird because it is "assembled in the USA" ...lol I did in the past...

Made in the USA is no longer what it used to mean...
I do not know of any company which uses all USA material...

I worked at a Swagelok plant, and they were huge on getting material "Made in the USA" to make all their products...

they were unable to get USA brass and copper since USA providers did not supply what they needed...

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

MudYota

09-19-2003, 06:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
[QUOTE] Toyota DID copy Ford's design because it is the best selling full size pickup (duh). What would you do if you wanted to pick apart a market segment? QUOTE]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Toyota DID copy Ford's design because it is the best selling full size pickup (duh). What would you do if you wanted to pick apart a market segment? QUOTE]

Ok first off i am not going to bash you for you ignorance on the Tundra. Yes toyota might have copied the exterior design somewhat. BUT oyur buddies tundra was a V-6 wasnt it?
Ever notice the Tundra is the safest 1/2TON truck on the road OH AND IT TOWS MORE THAN THE FORD AND CHEVY 1/2 TONS YES THATS RIGHT THE TUNDRA TOWS MORE THAN THE F-150 AND THE CHEVY 1500.
AND YES MY FRIEND THE TUNDRA IS A FULSIZE TRUCK.

and further more your forum user Alec W came over to yota tech and he spoke very politley so i tried to do the same out of respect. now my postings here will most likely come to a halt but i may drop in from time to time to say hi not start ****. i am generaly not the type of guy to start ****. Yes i own a toyoa yes i have owned 4 toyotas i totalled 2 out and i traded one in. IMHO you cant beat a toyota, and if i needed more room than waht my truck can give me i will buy a LandCruiser. I am loyal to toyota because toyota vehicles have been good to me. now the fact is my family has had very bad experiences with chevy products. and ford wasnt much better until around 5 years ago. my family currently owns a 94 toyota(mine) a 2003 F-350 4x4 crew cab dually and a 2001 King Ranch crew cab F-150 the reason we have the F-350 is a tundra wont pull a 31 foot 12,000 lb boat and niether will an F-150.

i am done with my little soap box session and if i pissed in someones cheerios i am sorry.

Jason

lynviking

09-19-2003, 10:37 AM

An H2 would have been equally buried by that mudslide. What? You think H2's float too?

Spiffy

09-21-2003, 10:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by lynviking:
An H2 would have been equally buried by that mudslide. What? You think H2's float too?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don’t you know that H2’s have Jesus like qualities? They can walk on water. If you add and “O” to the end of H2, you have H2O.

DennisAJC

09-22-2003, 03:27 AM

I can understand a MASSIVE rival between

KIA vs TOYOTA

or

HYUNDAI vs TOYOTA

But come on guys!!! you must be dreamin!
It`s tough to swallow since it`s not within your reach but be fair!

Regardless of WHAT YOU TYPE.....You know in you heart, the H2 rules. Sorry.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

David in Germany

09-22-2003, 04:50 AM

once again (http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/08/pf/autos/bc.autos.durability/index.htm?cnn=yes)

dennis this is for you... as posted prieviously http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and for ****s and giggles some of us are not jelous of the H2 but would like to go wheeling with them.

Can't we all just get along!?

SuperPoser

09-22-2003, 07:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I can understand a MASSIVE rival between

KIA vs TOYOTA

or

HYUNDAI vs TOYOTA

But come on guys!!! you must be dreamin!
It`s tough to swallow since it`s not within your reach but be fair!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what have you been smokin?
I must say, every forum I am a member of, there is some kind of argument heep's/taco's...

but you are just crazy...lol

what are you comparing? compact cars?
lol

check out my run last weekend for some awsome rigs!
http://community.webshots.com/album/91416022pBITEG

I usually do rock crawling, and my runner does pretty good... it did well in the mud, just got high sided twice on the diff...
same thing would have happened to an H2...
thoes guys had 38's and 44's... thats how they had the clearance, and the sami still got stuck once...

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

David in Germany

09-23-2003, 06:29 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MikeE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by DennisAJC:
I can understand a MASSIVE rival between

KIA vs TOYOTA

or

HYUNDAI vs TOYOTA

But come on guys!!! you must be dreamin!
It`s tough to swallow since it`s not within your reach but be fair!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what have you been smokin?
I must say, every forum I am a member of, there is some kind of argument heep's/taco's...

but you are just crazy...lol

what are you comparing? compact cars?
lol

check out my run last weekend for some awsome rigs!
http://community.webshots.com/album/91416022pBITEG

I usually do rock crawling, and my runner does pretty good... it did well in the mud, just got high sided twice on the diff...
same thing would have happened to an H2...
thoes guys had 38's and 44's... thats how they had the clearance, and the sami still got stuck once...

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mike you look familiar! were you ever in Germany?
hows the runner running after swallowing so much nasty stuff?

Can't we all just get along!?

ccrunner

09-25-2003, 05:19 PM

Most Toyotas are made in the US now, giving jobs to Americans. Most Fords and Dodges are made in either Canada and Mexico. I don't know how many Chevys are made here though. Also MANY parts for American autos are not made in the US.
Toyota took apart Chevy's to see how NOT to make a truck. They were taught to do this by an American named Edward Deming. He tried to convince the big three to build better cars by learnig from their mistakes (and they made A LOT). They wouldn't listen so he went to the Japs in the late 60's. They also learned, like the Germans, to build a product that would last. This was because they had to with limited recources after the wars in their countries.
Thats why I bash most US made cars, although I would buy a Chevy truck over Ford or Dodge. Toyota Trucks are used all over the world in the worst conditions known to man. They are built to survive harsh conditions with no servive at all. I've seen them in the deserts of Australia and Iraq, and the jungles of S. America. There are no dealers or service centers period. An American made truck could not survive these conditions. They have to visit the dealer often because this or that breaks. So I don't wish I had an H2. I'll take my 10 year old 4-Runner with 210,000 trouble free miles. I have never bought a Toyota with less than 100k miles; just broken in. This is the life span of many American made cars.
Just think if it wasn't for the Japanese, American would still be making junk. They had to clean up their act because they were losing there asses making crappy cars. BTW I don't like the Tundra either, looks too much like a Ford, but will last much longer.

SuperPoser

09-25-2003, 10:40 PM

David,

I have never been to Germany (that I know of...lol)

I am on many offroad forums, so possibly you've seen my pic on one of them?

the runner is doing... ok...
it made it home even though I had to let it cool down for 15 min about 5 miles north of my house...
the radiators were packed with mud...lol

the outside is still a bit muddy after the pressure washer, and the inside...
I'll clean it sooner or later,
just a good reminder why I hate mud so much...lol

hopefully I'll finish the front bumper this weekend so I'll have a winch ;o)

if I get hung up rock crawling, I can pull myself...lol

ccrunner,

have any pics?

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

David in Germany

09-26-2003, 03:39 AM

I have some picks of my ugly a$$ truck but I think the H2 guys would probably ban me for posting anymore than the one I posted a few pages back! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I bought it for $1500 in 2000 and have been rebuilding things since the get go. The guy that I bought it from had 2 bull mastiffs and they owned the truck (and ate parts of it too) I have converted to the manual Aissin (spl) hubs bigger cam, header, larger tires and have been trying to kill the cancer (salted roads) but it is definatly a pleasure to drive.
I get some pics linked up for you.

Can't we all just get along!?

Steve R

09-27-2003, 03:32 AM

Hey guys...just thought I'd drop in on this thread.

You gotta understand something....this is an H2 forum, and lots of people here just blew some major coin to own the "worlds most formiddable offroad vehicle".....and...it's just the energy to root for the home-team. YOu can almost call it H2-denial.

The truth is...the H2 is far from being a super-capable offroad vehicle. The thing is pretty darn wide, it lacks clearance....combined with it's long wheelbase...the last thing is can do is rock-crawl.

That's not to say it can't do some crazy-good stuff. They climb very well, we can abuse some serious side-slope and they repeatedly surprise the heck out of many people. You'll come to find that when you do finally get to offroad with one of them. Well...assuming the driver isn't some moron.

What the H2 is good for is this: packing up the whole darn family and heading out for a weekend of camping. If it's sheer offroad performance, it's hard to beat a modded-out Suzuki Samari or monster Jeep. The modded Taco is pretty darn nice too!

The H2 is entirely in a different class, it's a luxury SUV with some kick-ass 4x4 features that can be surprisingly effective on many terrains.

In the end, it's all about toys and having fun. It's almost like a fishing rod collection or guns: no one particular thing is going to be perfect all around. But then again....I'm not telling you something you don't know already.

Don't let the H2 home-pride get to you...we just like to celebrate our horse a bit much here.

SuperPoser

09-27-2003, 10:36 AM

Steve R,

where are you from dude,
mayby we can wheel some time http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I thought the H2's had some good clearance...
body and frame seem to be up there pretty well, just the rear diff hanging low (is it a 3/4 ton chevy diff?)

but with the huge tires stock, that gets up there too...

oh well, just my opinion, thought they had some good clearance...lol

I saw some pics in another thread of an h2 going right up a pretty fun hill (I like nasty hills too)...
and they have a ton more power than I do...lol
with a locker, they can probably easily climb a lot of nast hills http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

gotta be carefull not to roll a taco on some hills like that ...lol

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

JRT

10-01-2003, 03:09 AM

Ok, so I found your site because of the Disco thread by Steve R. I posted up a sincere request for any H2 owners that want to hit some trails. I drive a yota, primarily at the hammers, but I live in Lake Arrowhead.

Anyone that wants to Get It from Big Bear to JV to Truckhaven, drop me a line. Dcole@dreamlinks.net

And to clarify something, Hummers may very well be in the top 3 or so factory produced rigs.

However, if you truly believe that the level of trails that you can conquer in a stock ANYTHING would classify as extreme, you need to take some of that coin that you dropped on the station wagon and buy a clue.

Bring It, let's get on the trail and have some fun.

Regards
Dave

Buckeye Hummer

10-01-2003, 02:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>However, if you truly believe that the level of trails that you can conquer in a stock ANYTHING would classify as extreme, you need to take some of that coin that you dropped on the station wagon and buy a clue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Dave this is the second post of yours I read, which surprised me because the first was rather sincere and benign in nature. The statement above IMO is a dig and is inconsistent with your first. Here's the deal: we know that modified trail rigs are capable of extreme trails, which an H2 is not, however, I am confident that others look at your rig and probably have something even more extreme. Where does it end? You seem like an intelligent business owner so I must ask why you would come to an H2 site? I just don't get it. Here's my analogy: I'm an Ohio State fan and have been for my entire life. I would never venture over to the Michigan forum to talk about how they aren't good fans (in reference to your first post, which made a generalization) and maybe they should do this or that because that is passing judgement, which drives me nuts. It's fun to hang with the Ohio State folks because we all get along and have an understanding of Ohio State football ergo the need for Ohio State forums. Outsiders just don't get how important it is to us and we don't ask them to.

So the same deal goes for Hummers. This is my experience. I own a HUMMER, it's better than any truck out there (just like Ohio State should be ranked #1 not #3). I wouldn't own anything else but most important, I have no need to venture to outside groups to talk about my Hummer because others feel just as strongly about their vehicles.

So as far as I'm concerned anyone is welcome to enter this forum just like any advertiser can call my house at odd hours to try to sell me things but then again, that's why I signed up for the do not call list http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW, we did the white mountain run as Hummer run. Yes, we invited other trucks along and none of them showed. We did have one towny in a taco follow us at the very end on the dirt access roads and actually try to pick a fight with Steve R. I watched the entire thing go down. Steve successfully de-fused the situation by complementing the taco in sincerity (not allowing the taco owner to escalate). Finally the taco owner made a few lewd comments under his breath at Steve and left. All of this is amazing to me!

Good luck with your 4 wheel adventures!

Jason

SuperPoser

10-01-2003, 07:13 PM

JRT,

what yota do ya have?
have pics?

check out my webshots page for pics of my rigs...

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

Weasel

10-01-2003, 08:47 PM

Well truth be told Toyotas and Hummers sucks. Jeeps are the best. :flipoff2:

Now that I settled that, you guys need to step back and look at this in a big picture. There will always be someone that is better then you. For the wheeling abilites of an H2 I have never seen one so I don't know but there are alot of modified rigs(Suzuki, Jeep, Toyota, Buggies) that will walk all over you. Buying an expensive H2 doesn't mean its the best ever made. Granted this is your guys forum so like ?Steve? said there is some home team spirit. Thats all fine but I think it would be god to remember what else is really out there. The ego does bad things for the image of hummer owners. Most wheelers consider hummer owners to be idiots because of this images. Granted that is not so with any vehicle. It doesn't help your guys image with the rest of the wheeling compunity.

There are some one here that have showen themsleves to be bright people in realizing that their rigs isn't the ultimate 4x4 machine, but work well for their purpose. For those that still believe their stock H2 can hang with modified Toyota's, Jeep's, Suzuki's lets go wheeling. Know your limits, I know mine.

Black Hills of South Dakota: with pics of course!

Kong/Fullsize (http://www.geocities.com/roberdeau77)

DTC (http://www.bc4x4.com/thbsjeep/dtc2003/dtc.html)

Hall Johns (http://www.rock-heads.com/Trails/Hal%20Johns/index.htm)

T-Back/Bikini (http://www.rock-heads.com/Trails/T-Back-Bikini/index.htm)

Hangman (http://www.rock-heads.com/Trails/Hangman/index.htm)

The other evil - Jeep

JRT

10-02-2003, 12:23 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>However, if you truly believe that the level of trails that you can conquer in a stock ANYTHING would classify as extreme, you need to take some of that coin that you dropped on the station wagon and buy a clue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Dave this is the second post of yours I read, which surprised me because the first was rather sincere and benign in nature. The statement above IMO is a dig and is inconsistent with your first. Here's the deal: we know that modified trail rigs are capable of extreme trails, which an H2 is not, however, I am confident that others look at your rig and probably have something even more extreme. Where does it end? You seem like an intelligent business owner so I must ask why you would come to an H2 site? I just don't get it. Here's my analogy: I'm an Ohio State fan and have been for my entire life. I would never venture over to the Michigan forum to talk about how they aren't good fans (in reference to your first post, which made a generalization) and maybe they should do this or that because that is passing judgement, which drives me nuts. It's fun to hang with the Ohio State folks because we all get along and have an understanding of Ohio State football ergo the need for Ohio State forums. Outsiders just don't get how important it is to us and we don't ask them to.

So the same deal goes for Hummers. This is my experience. I own a HUMMER, it's better than any truck out there (just like Ohio State should be ranked #1 not #3). I wouldn't own anything else but most important, I have no need to venture to outside groups to talk about my Hummer because others feel just as strongly about their vehicles.

So as far as I'm concerned anyone is welcome to enter this forum just like any advertiser can call my house at odd hours to try to sell me things but then again, that's why I signed up for the do not call list http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW, we did the white mountain run as Hummer run. Yes, we invited other trucks along and none of them showed. We did have one towny in a taco follow us at the very end on the dirt access roads and actually try to pick a fight with Steve R. I watched the entire thing go down. Steve successfully de-fused the situation by complementing the taco in sincerity (not allowing the taco owner to escalate). Finally the taco owner made a few lewd comments under his breath at Steve and left. All of this is amazing to me!

Good luck with your 4 wheel adventures!

Jason<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quick and to the point.

I ventured in here on a lark because I saw a cross post by Steve R about the Discos, I don't think poorly of Hummers nor do I think that my rig is the "most extreme" either.

My first post was on the Disco thread where I sincerely brought up a trial ride with diverse vehicles. My second was here after reading this entire thread and a few others and honestly getting pretty fed up with the generalizations made about non-hummer owners. Sorry for making my own generalizations.

In addition, I personally like diversity. I would much rather go wheeling with 5 different rigs than all the same.

But I think I've found the true root cause as to why we are taking offense with each other....

Go Blue, Hail to the Victors http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jk see you on the trail.

d

JRT

10-02-2003, 12:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MikeE:
JRT,

what yota do ya have?
have pics?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mike,
I quite possibly have the ugliest Toy on the planet http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif It is a purpose built 86 runner that I SAS'd and chopped up with a full internal/external cage. I run 4" AP springs with a single 4.7 Tcase. Locked F and R with 5.29's. I used to be fullbodied with a CanBack softtop out back and believe it or not, a real clean and straight body. After running the Hammers for a couple of years, that went out the window. I broke out the sawzall and now have a rig that I can flop or roll without any concerns (actually quite liberating). I'll post pics in a few.

d

JRT

10-02-2003, 12:42 AM

Here is my rig in its current form. Telling me its ugly won't phase me in the least, I already know that. I built it to protect my wife and kid in case of a severe roll. The cage works - tested over 30 times http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JRT

10-02-2003, 12:44 AM

another

JRT

10-02-2003, 12:48 AM

last for now http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SuperPoser

10-02-2003, 02:00 AM

jrt,
dang, thats hella cool!

mayby I was too much in a hurry to see the pics and missed it, but what engine do you have?

I have an '86 runner, with the 22re??? turbo (whatever the letters are)

it does pretty well...
I've got a lockrite in the front, and craftsman locker in the rear...
and 5.29 gears greatly helped!!!!

I'de love to sas, but I am not that good with mechnical stuff... (I'm an electrical engineer...lol)

did you do a fuel cell conversion to your runner?
I need to do something like that...
I hate the way the gas take hangs below the frame, darn mechanical engineers... they don't know how to design anything... jk http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

JRT

10-02-2003, 02:36 AM

You have a 22RET, I have the regular old 22RE, 4 banger with EFI. Gears are everything. The only thing I've added to the rig since those pics are a set of MRT 36 Bolt Beadlocks http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You know Mike, I've got an extra front housing and I've been looking for another SAS to do http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

d

SuperPoser

10-17-2003, 11:02 PM

JRT,

sorry for the really late reply, I've been really busy, and computers have been down for a wile...

when ya wanta sas my runner, and how much ya charge for it?

help me out... extra front housing?
I'm not the best automotive mechanic ... lol
but my new bumper is finished, and I should have the winch on tomorow ;o)

later,
Mike

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

JRT

10-18-2003, 06:46 AM

Well since I typed that, I let a buddies GF drive my junk and she cracked my front housing in half http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But front axles are easy to find.

If your serious, you need to start going down the shopping list.

Front Axle complete $150
Crossover Hysteer $400
Spring Hanger and Shackles $230

You need springs which can run you anywhere from free to $300. They're free if you make a hybrid pack out of your exisiting rears.

If you're 5.29 in the rear, you need to regear the front so your looking at $140 for the gears plus $80 for the install kit. I can have my gear guy hook you up on the install.

Front Shaft for ~$150

And if you lift the front, you'll probably need to lift the rear. Anywhere from $100-$350.

You are looking in the range of $1500 for parts. If you that doesn't scare you away, drop me a line because labor would be a fraction of the cost of parts.

d

SuperPoser

10-18-2003, 03:16 PM

whats your e-mail jrt?
mine's Rock789@aol.com

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

kling-on

01-25-2004, 05:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by David in Germany:

Mike you look familiar! were you ever in Germany?
hows the runner running after swallowing so much nasty stuff?

Can't we all just get along!?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.brian894x4.com/Hiluxgeneration3.html

http://www.brian894x4.com/VWTaro1.jpg

ya'll every see the VW hilux over there ck out this site toyota sold the hilux under the VW brand name to get by the "its japanes" stigma (sp) cool huh

82 FJ60 ARB bull bar 12k Warn, 4 in BDS ....waiting on more green stuff...

low riders want SWITCHES..... 4 wheelers want SHIFTERS

Link to pics
http://www.texasoffroad.net/galleries/members/albun39

GIT-R-DONE!!!!!!!!

kling-on

01-25-2004, 06:04 PM

http://www.texas4x4.org/gallery/albums/album82/PC300163.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/members/kling-on/121_2159_IMG.sized.jpg

ok heres my poser shots ...

let me start out with I agree that EVERY truck has its place my old jeep would kill my TLC off road but I needed more room so I got rid of it ...

can a SAS toy with a 150 to 1 crawl, rock crawl better than a STOCK H2 DUH its STOCK will a STOCK 2003 taco wheel better than a STOCK H2 no and the TRD taco that won in 4Wheeler wasnt stock cause last I cked a TRD wasnt stock. I think were the pissed off people coming in are saying is that for 50k they built a hell of a lot better rockcrawler ... but do you drive that rock crawler ever day ...better yet would you let you grandmother drive it 100 miles ?? HELL I wouldnt let my grandmother ride in mine rock crawler and it looked alot nicer than most ( see jeep pic) apple to apple... oranges to oranges
also i know of alot of mud boggin guys who would LOVE to see one of the west coast rock crawlers come plan in biou or the great white north .... WE ARE ALL OUT FOR ONE THING FUN.... you ride and mine weren't made for the same thing OK so I go on a 5 day camp out and carry everything I need and when I want a crawin fix we can cruiz the rock buggy .... and if the H2 is SO bad why did BFG have the carnavor skins copy it ??? because its looks sells tires ... so we can all agree each of our truck are made for something differnt.... cause i tell you for dam sure we're not doing the sport any good trashin each other.

and this if from a Jeep/Toyota guy.... oh ya and the toyoda thing is cause there LOTS of parts on a Toy that say "TOYODA"... p/s box and p/s pump cap .. for one and two dont ask my why but if you look there lots more

lets wheel already http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

82 FJ60 ARB bull bar 12k Warn, 4 in BDS ....waiting on more green stuff...

low riders want SWITCHES..... 4 wheelers want SHIFTERS

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GIT-R-DONE!!!!!!!!