AM General or General Motors

[Ashley]

I plugged a chassis number of a 2003 H2 in to the Parts Imager and it came up with "Manufacturer AM General" then i did the same with a 2004 chassis number of a H2 and it came up with "Manufacture General Motors"?

Are these 2 the same or what????? Did GM list as AM General until 2004???

Many Thanks
Ashley

[Ashley]

I plugged a chassis number of a 2003 H2 in to the Parts Imager and it came up with "Manufacturer AM General" then i did the same with a 2004 chassis number of a H2 and it came up with "Manufacture General Motors"?

Are these 2 the same or what????? Did GM list as AM General until 2004???

Many Thanks
Ashley

[OrangeCrush]

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think you are right. I think the first year the H2 was out, it was still considered AM General. It wasn't until 2004, it became GM.

You're welcome
Mark

You're welcome
Mark

[mstams]

AM General builds the H2, whereas GM designed and markets it. GM bought the HUMMER brand name back in 1999, but I don't think anything changed about the relationship im 2004.

[Hummer Guy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mstams:
AM General builds the H2, whereas GM designed and markets it. GM bought the HUMMER brand name back in 1999, but I don't think anything changed about the relationship im 2004. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You nailed it -- and its been a Vortec since day one...

[mstams]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
That's right, I have a "real" Hummer, all you '04+ folks have a glorified GM Chevy Tahoe http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had an 03 that was a "real" piece of crap. That's why I've now got an '05. Much better... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[VTSTOMPER]

isn't the H2 still built in the AMG plant(s)?

[HUMTECH]

H-2's from day 1 have been built by the general in their new hummer plant built beside the AM general plant. AM general never had anything to do with production of the H-2, in fact gm actually stepped in and helped in the design of the new h-1 interior. The only thing the 2 share is the hummer name, 2 different trucks built by 2 different companies.

[mstams]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HUMTECH:
H-2's from day 1 have been built by the general in their new hummer plant built beside the AM general plant. AM general never had anything to do with production of the H-2, in fact gm actually stepped in and helped in the design of the new h-1 interior. The only thing the 2 share is the hummer name, 2 different trucks built by 2 different companies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the AM General website:

HUMMER® H1 & H2
Due in part to the military HMMWV renown in Desert Storm, AM General introduced a civilian version of the vehicle called the HUMMER in 1992. Known as “the world’s most serious 4x4,” the revolutionary vehicle has found favor with commercial users who appreciate the value of HUMMER’s long life and amazing performance, and individuals who seek the ultimate in toughness and mobility. In 1999, General Motors acquired the HUMMER brand worldwide and rebadged the current vehicle H1. In 2002, AM General began assembling the HUMMER H2 for GM in its new factory in Mishawaka, Ind. This vehicle was designed by and is marketed by General Motors.

http://www.amgeneral.com/vehicles.php/amSid/405b3d2d81987480ebee1ceafb3daf7a

[mstams]

More from the AM General website:

HUMMER® H1 & H2
Producing a civilian version of the battle-tested military Humvee® was a natural progression for AM General. In 1992, when the HUMMER was introduced as a civilian truck, it had become apparent that the public understood its unique off-road capabilities.

Today the HUMMER H1® is still a vehicle without peer. It takes all the tough characteristics of the military High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV) and refines them slightly for civilian use.

For nearly a decade, the HUMMER caught the country’s eye and it became a highly sought after, one-of a kind vehicle. It’s an icon of strength, durability and individualism.

In late 1999, AM General and General Motors Corporation finalized an agreement to jointly pursue product, marketing and distribution opportunities for HUMMER. Under the final agreement, GM acquired the exclusive ownership of the HUMMER brand name worldwide and the current HUMMER was renamed the HUMMER H1.

In 2002, AM General opened its new HUMMER H2® Assembly Plant in Mishawaka, Indiana, next to the plant that produces the military Humvee and the HUMMER H1. There it assembles the exciting new SUV and SUT variants of the HUMMER H2, designed and brought to market by GM.

http://www.amgeneral.com/vehicles_hummer.php

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HUMTECH:
H-2's from day 1 have been built by the general in their new hummer plant built beside the AM general plant. AM general never had anything to do with production of the H-2, in fact gm actually stepped in and helped in the design of the new h-1 interior. The only thing the 2 share is the hummer name, 2 different trucks built by 2 different companies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Try again.

No one on the GM payroll helps build the H2. You have it backwards. GM has nothing to do with building each H2.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
Me thinks he's one of the "proper" Hummer owners that somehow feels his exclusive marque was diminished by the addition of more vehicles bearing the Hummer name, or maybe he's just misinformed... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Probably the latter, he's canadian, you see.

[EXH1X5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mstams:
AM General builds the H2, whereas GM designed and markets it. GM bought the HUMMER brand name back in 1999, but I don't think anything changed about the relationship im 2004. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Regarding the H2;

AM General LLC is simply one of thousands of GM suppliers. In the case of the H2, GM's "supplier contract" called for their SUV & SUT H2's to be "assembled" by a company named AM General LLC until the year 2009 at a rate up to 40,000 units per year.

Look at the H2 this way: GM designed it; certifies it; markets it through GM’s dealer network; warrants it; owns all the tooling; buys every single part to build it through their vast supplier network and then has them all drop-shipped to another of their suppliers (AM General) to further assemble GM's parts.

GM had argued with the DOT, NHTSA & EPA from day 1 that the H2 was a GM vehicle that was simply "assembled" by one of their suppliers (AM General) from 100% GM parts. Apparently it took GM over a year to cut through all the red tape and finally convince DOT & NHTA & EPA that the H2 is in fact a GM vehicle.

[PARAGON]

Regarding the H1;

AM General LLC is simply one of thousands of GM suppliers. In the case of the H1, GM's "supplier contract" called for their H1s to be "assembled" by a company named AM General LLC.

Look at the H1 this way: GM certifies it; markets it through GM’s dealer network; warrants it, supplies GM parts for it, etc, etc.

[EXH1X5]

QUOTE]That would explain the manufacturers name change for the 04's. Although it is hardly made of 100% GM parts, I doubt many vehicles are assembled with 100% parts from the manufacturer.[/QUOTE]

Please be aware the H2 is one of those few vehicles that are.

ALL parts in & on the H2 are 100% GM purchased parts! NONE ...as in ZERO... H2 parts come from AM General. The H2 is 100% GM content and of course that does not necessarily make it good ...or make it bad ...it just makes it the way it is!

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EXH1X5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That would explain the manufacturers name change for the 04's. Although it is hardly made of 100% GM parts, I doubt many vehicles are assembled with 100% parts from the manufacturer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please be aware the H2 is one of those few vehicles that are.

ALL parts in & on the H2 are 100% GM purchased parts! NONE ...as in ZERO... H2 parts come from AM General. The H2 is 100% GM content and of course that does not necessarily make it good ...or make it bad ...it just makes it the way it is! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Perhaps you misunderstood. I believe the quote was "Although it is hardly made of 100% GM parts, I doubt many vehicles are assembled with 100% parts from the manufacturer." As in the AAM rear end, Borg-Warn T-case, Hitachi throttle body, Eaton locker, Bosch ABS/TCS, Bose Radio, etc etc. You get the idea.

[EXH1X5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Originally posted by PhilD:
The inference was that all the parts (ie: 100% of them) were made by GM, which is not the case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

At least "my inference" was and still is that 100% of the H2's content is GM purchased/procured material...pure & simple. GM not only outsourced many component parts, but the "assembly" of their H2 as well...pure and simple.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The biased slant is quite clear. It would be like saying the H1 is assembled from a hotch potch collection of GM & Ford parts with some parts from AMG http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well let's not kid ourselves about the H1 either. It IS a "hotch potch collection" as you put it, of commercially available components with some uniquely AMG parts thrown in! So where’s the "beef?" ...or as you say; "biased slant?"

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Like it not my friend H2's are made by AMG, doesn't matter who sources the parts http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any whoooo, have it your way. Some will only believe what they want to believe, while some of us that were there from the beginning of the H2 program do know there is a VERY BIG difference between "assembled" by AMG for GM and "made" by AMG for GM.

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EXH1X5:

Any whoooo, have it your way. Some will only believe what they want to believe, while some of us that were there from the beginning of the H2 program do know there is a VERY BIG difference between "assembled" by AMG for GM and "made" by AMG for GM. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You have that right. Stuff "assembled by" is hugely more reliable than stuff "made by." Oh, or have you never met an H1 owner or talked to a HMMWV mechanic?

Don't try to play semantics here. Do you think you are the first to come here in 3 years to tell us what we are supposed to believe? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[EXH1X5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Don't try to play semantics here. Do you think you are the first to come here in 3 years to tell us what we are supposed to believe? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some people http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif believe what they want to believe, while others http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif know what they know!

[PARAGON]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EXH1X5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Don't try to play semantics here. Do you think you are the first to come here in 3 years to tell us what we are supposed to believe? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some people http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif believe what they want to believe </div></BLOCKQUOTE>as long as you can admit it

[EXH1X5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
We all know the differences between a H1 and H2, I've owned both and was never confused as to which one was which, but your initial statement had that "the H2 isn't a real Hummer" flavor to it, as do your other comments, without actually saying it.

I have no illusions about the short comings of the H2, likewise for the H1. I like both vehicles, but for different reasons.

To infer that the H2 is built by GM is factually incorrect. It is built by AMG. I don't suppose for one minute this makes the slightest bit of difference, but it is the case. You can of course play the Clintonesque game of depends how define "built", but that doesn't change anything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PhilD/Hummer Guru...PLEASE use quotes (as in the above example) so we can tell who your barbs are being flicked at. Thanks in advance.

[mstams]

Phil's right. Some of us have owned both.

Glad we could help out all of you that were there before, during, and after the H2 program. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[PARAGON]

We, being the people that know, knew exactly who Phil was addressing and it wasn't me. Asking for quotes was really unnecessary given the flow of this thread. Of course, if you had been around here since the beginning of this forum you would KNOW the difference.

[EXH1X5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
We all know the differences between a H1 and H2, I've owned both and was never confused as to which one was which, but your initial statement had that "the H2 isn't a real Hummer" flavor to it, as do your other comments, without actually saying it. [snip] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, OK, PhilD/Hummer Guru, I humbly offer my apology IF you misunderstood or somehow misinterpreted something in my initial statement to mean "the H2 isn't a real Hummer." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif How in the world could any of us newbies http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif have possibly known that you have actually owned both a HUMMER H1 AND a HUMMER H2??? WOW...I'm impressed!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[EXH1X5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EXH1X5:
WOW...I'm impressed!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>So you should be http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Peace?!?!? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[HUMTECH]

Apoligies, yes the h-2 is assembled by AMG, but designed, marketed, and sold by GM. Simply put gm farmed out assembly as part of A deal to accuire the HUMMER brand name. H-1 was designed, marketed and assembled by AMG making the H-1 the only hummer exclusivly AMG built. By no means do I think the H-2 is not A real Hummer, they both have their place in the off road world, either one could out perform the other in given terrain. Furthermore I don't own any type of hummer just work on all 3 on A daily basis. Sorry for any confusion. Sometimes A guy can get A little bitter when working on these trucks day in and day out with what both AMG and GM pay A tech doing warranty work.