Balancing Tires with "Equal"

[mknherhappy]

Just took my wheels and tires for the new H3 in to be mounted and balanced. The tech told me because of the size and wheel design, that they could not be balanced the traditional way, and they would have to use a product called "equal" which goes inside the tire and then balances the tires as they spin? Anyone ever heard of this? Opinions? Thanks

[mknherhappy]

Just took my wheels and tires for the new H3 in to be mounted and balanced. The tech told me because of the size and wheel design, that they could not be balanced the traditional way, and they would have to use a product called "equal" which goes inside the tire and then balances the tires as they spin? Anyone ever heard of this? Opinions? Thanks

[HummerNewbie]

I will ask a friend of mine that owns a very busy tire shop and see what he says.

[timgco]

Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. Many of us have 37's and 38's on our rigs and have no issues getting them balanced. Take them somewhere else. ...my 2 cents.

[H3OH]

****, what are they doing, pouring sugar substitute on it?

What's next, Sweet N' Low?

[FormerJeeper]

What a load of CRAP!

DO NOT USE EQUAL - YOU WILL REGRET IT.

I successfully balnced all my previous offroad tires with out resorting to that crap. It sticks like **** to a blanket if you get moisture in there and it's a real pain to get out.

My biggest tires were 38.5x14.50x15 Swamper TSL/SX (non radials) on beadlocked rims.

What you need to really do is find an alignment shop with a Hunter GSP9700 Road Force Measurement System - this is what I used.

http://www.gsp9700.com/pub/technical/4127T/4127t.cfm

HTH

-C

[f5fstop]

I normally stay off this board; however, this post requires a warning. If you use any type of balancing crap such as equal or any type of puncture repair such as fix a flat, you will destroy the air pressure sensor inside the tire. As those products adhere to everything and also seal up holes, they also seal up the pressure sensor.
If the machine can handle a large tire and wheel assembly, and the tire/wheels on the H3 (including off-road package tires) are not that large compared to others, it can balance the tire/wheel assembly.
This stuff goes right up there with the engine cleaning chemicals that can destroy engine seals over a period of time.
The Hunter GSP 9700 is probably the best machine manufactured (today), and a load force is great, but may not be required for these types of tires if you are not having vibration or tracking problems. Load force balancing is great for cars with very sensitive steering like Vettes, Vipers, Lexus, etc.
But if you want the best, get a load force. If you don't need a load force, just get a balance on a GSP 9700. Also important, make sure the guy or gal running the GSP knows how to use the machine.

[H3ProspectKy]

Good to see you back f5fstop, we've missed your knowledgeable input here.

[H3Lady]

We changed all the tires to Michelins with Road force balance. Our ride is next to none now. Big difference.
Also some tires are hard to balance, esp. the cheap ones like the stock H3 tires. I had 3 out of 5 with distorted treads with the stock tires

[usetosellhummer]

bull you need to take it someplace else. You don't even have to have special equipment sheet man discount tire was doing H2 tires up to 20 inch with no problem. Big thing is to find a good shop ALOT OF TIRE JOINTS DO NOT BALANCE THEIR EQUIPMENT. Which means you pay for it and they still don't roll right.

[HummerNewbie]

fstop,

Welcome back and thanks for the great info. I have never used fix a flat before and don't have plans to but it is good to know that it can destroy the air pressure sensor. Didn't get a chance to talk to my buddy about this topic but I would say it has been thoroughly answered.

[FormerJeeper]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Good to see you back f5fstop, we've missed your knowledgeable input here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

His knowledgable input?

Well excuse me, he just ripped off my post completely without even acknowledging it?

That's either ignorance or arrogance?
Both of which are something Hummer owners get accused of a lot.
Frankly, I'm surpsrised.
It's forum etiquette to a at least acknowledge a previous post if it contains the same information and then add to it.

Rude rude rude!

-C

[timgco]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FormerJeeper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Good to see you back f5fstop, we've missed your knowledgeable input here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

His knowledgable input?

Well excuse me, he just ripped off my post completely without even acknowledging it?

That's either ignorance or arrogance?
Both of which are something Hummer owners get accused of a lot.
Frankly, I'm surpsrised.
It's forum etiquette to a at least acknowledge a previous post if it contains the same information and then add to it.

Rude rude rude!

-C </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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[f5fstop]

Please explain how I cannibalized your post.
You mentioned the Hunter GSP 9700, so did I, does that constitute cannibalizing as you have accused me of doing in a private message.
I also stated that any balance machine that can handle this size tire will do, and that under most conditions, for most vehicles a load force balance is NOT necessary and the vehicle will not sense the variation of the tire versus the wheel. Did you mention that?
Did you mention anything about the sensors getting fowled?
Yes, I stated the GPS is a best machine out there, and in all my years on other forums, there was no need to mention other people if they posted that they believe a machine or any other recommendation is the same as the one you are recommend. Hell, it helps to back up your information.
I did not mention the GSP 9700 because of your statement, I have used on repeatedly while in TN in our engineering facility to cure problems with a particular car and a vibration issue, and yes, after hours I balanced my Vette tires on the machine. Therefore, I know this is the best machine out there (well, at least it was three months ago).
I have had it on this forum. Let some of the people here fill in everyone with misconception (not you in this case, your information as I now read it is good). I honestly came in here to help this person out and not destroy their pressure sensors. Now, I'm accused by some complete stranger of cannibalizing their message, when if you read it, it sort of backs up the information you supplied; except your detail was lacking.

I guess the person who mentioned load force balancing also ripped you off, the person who mentioned you don't need special equipment must have ripped me off too. Gee, I should get really mad and send out a nasty private message to these people. Grow up dude.

It appears that most people on this site are decent and would like some "knowledgable advice." If you are so knowledgable, why didn't your recognize the main problem with using a substance such as equal. It is not that the tire is hard to remove in the future, it is not that it can be hard to balance a few thousand miles later, it is the simple fact that the air pressure sensor may be destroyed, and that will cost you money.

I would say have a great day; however, I would be a hypocrite if I said so.