Stock audio

[lax]

Hey, i just bought a new h3 humemr automatic with no other options. Iam anxious to drive it and pick it up monday!

One quick question, how is the stock audio system? is it in need for a upgrade?

thanks

[deserth3]

I wasn't impressed with the stock system that was in the rental I had. Couldn't wait to get mine back with the Monsoon system.

[HummerNewbie]

It really comes down to what you are used to and what you expect out of the system. I have never really paid any attention to the base system when I have a loaner but would guarantee you that it wouldn't stay stock if that is what mine had. The monsoon on the other hand, I was very impressed with. Probably the best stock system I have heard, definitely the best I have owned.

[Hmmm2]

X2 :D

[humma_H3]

monsoon...:) :D :) :D

matt
cincy

[fourfourto]

I had the base radio ,it was ok.
I didnt want to spend the almost $1,000 extra just for a woofer because I was planing on getting a aftermarket .
I would like a little more base,I will probobly add a woofer at some time?.Were to put it though?

If you get the adventure with base radio,you get a left side compartment:D extra storage space is great :cool:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I have lousy hearing, BUT, I will tell you the Monsoon System is SUPER...

RYD

[Steve - SanJose]

Agreed Monsoon is the only way to go.

S.

[westhillsat]

I like the stock system just fine, but then I'm an old fart too.
And with the stock system you get some storage space where the subwoofer would have been.

I have a tow strap in that space, more useful to me than a subwoofer when you get stuck out in the middle of nowhere :)

[lax]

Okay, thanks everyone for the input, by the sounds of it I might upgrade it.


I was thinking of a indash video screen for my cd-player thing, how do I know that it would fit?

Thanks

[HummerNewbie]

I was thinking of a indash video screen for my cd-player thing, how do I know that it would fit?

Any aftermarket double din head unit will fit in the H3. You will need to use an install kit but it will fit just fine. Here are a couple of shots of my D1 in the H3.
Nav Display
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/cyberhummer/NAV.jpg

XM Display
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/cyberhummer/XM.jpg

[Agriv8r]

pioneer has a new one out, fits perfect. Has 30gig hard drive, 20gig for navigation and the other 10 to record your cd's on. Roughly 15,000 songs stored on the hard drive and no cd/cd cases in th e truck. Oh yeah, you can get a bigger hard drive.:eek:

[HummerNewbie]

Yeah, the Z1 is pretty cool. Might bump up to it after a while.

[lax]

ill probaly buy a indash video cd player. That pioneer one sounds EXPENSIVE

I know this aint a audio forum, but anyone know of a good combonation for around 500 dollars on a sub/amp/speaker kit without the indash video screen?


Thanks

[usetosellhummer]

the aftermarkets are hot! Base is fine unless your really rock hard, I'm an old DJ and can't hear so it is fine for me.

[f5fstop]

Any aftermarket double din head unit will fit in the H3. You will need to use an install kit but it will fit just fine. Here are a couple of shots of my D1 in the H3.
Nav Display
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/cyberhummer/NAV.jpg

XM Display
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/cyberhummer/XM.jpg

How is that D1 in bright sunlight, especially with a sunroof; if you have one? When you hooked it up, did you keep all the Onstar functions via the radio, and did you keep the stock XM module?
Also, I take it the Nav only works with the DVD in the slot.
Looking seriously at the D2, but want to keep XM and Onstar (as well as the Monsoon).

[HummerNewbie]

How is that D1 in bright sunlight, especially with a sunroof; if you have one? When you hooked it up, did you keep all the Onstar functions via the radio, and did you keep the stock XM module?
Also, I take it the Nav only works with the DVD in the slot.
Looking seriously at the D2, but want to keep XM and Onstar (as well as the Monsoon).

I really like the D1 and went with it because I was able to get it real cheap from a buddy that had only used it about a month or so. So far I really haven't had any issues with sunlight and I do have the sunroof. Yes, there have been a few times were I needed to shade it with my hand to see but that also happened with the stock 6 disc head. I did retain all the OnStar capability and am still getting the benefits of the Monsoon. The one thing my truck did not come with that I wanted was XM so I had to run a new antenna and go with a new tuner. I probably would have done this anyway because I wanted the XM Traffic. I know that you can get the D1s on Ebay pretty cheap these days so you might want to check it out.

[Mark805]

How is that D1 in bright sunlight, especially with a sunroof; if you have one? When you hooked it up, did you keep all the Onstar functions via the radio, and did you keep the stock XM module?
Also, I take it the Nav only works with the DVD in the slot.
Looking seriously at the D2, but want to keep XM and Onstar (as well as the Monsoon).

Direct Sunlight: I've personally never had a problem in direct sunlight since the screen tilts if you need it. But it does wash it out a bit when its directly on the screen. (Yes I have a sunroof)

OnStar via radio: It works through the radio with the proper adaptor.

Nav with DVD in slot: In regards to the Avic-D1 (and i could be wrong on this but i think the D2 is the same), the nav only works with the dvd in the unit but it only uses the dvd unit to read the nav disk (it doesn't play dvd movies) The D1 has a second cd drive that plays music and mp3 cds. Th newer Avic-Z1 can play movies on its DVD player and the nav information is on the hard drive.

Keeping XM: You will not be able to use the factory XM unit. You'll need the Pioneer XM module. I picked up the one with traffic nav. On the plus side, you CAN use the factory xm antenna (shark fin) after pulling off the red/orange end on the antenna cable. (not the end itself... just the snap) This saves you from installing another antenna.

The additional perks to the Z1 over the D1(and D2 i think):

Z1:
adds bluetooth cell phone connection with proper pioneer adaptor
adds a pretty reliable voice control
plays movies without extra DVD controler
DVDs can be played while driving (using the simple by-pass at vehicle start-up... not in manual btw)
Ipod intergration is much better then on the D1. I mean HUGE difference.


Dont get me wrong on this... both systems are great but if you can swing it, I'd spend the extra $500 and go with the Z1, you'll be happy in the long run.

I put the pioneer backup camera on my system as well and LOVE it. This is my first backup camera and the only flaw I can really see is it shows a flare when the sun is on it or if the sun is directly reflected off an object (very rare in Washington so not a problem :p) I never realized how much I use it until I got a loaner H3 from the dealership for a few days.

[marin8703]

hey I just wanted to add something to the Z1 description, other than the fact that it is a great system it has one bad feature, well it really is that it doesnt have one good feature, which would be HD radio.
The Z1, and i think all the pioneer systems dont offer HD Radio compatibility. If you care about that. But the XM or Sirius satelite radio takes care of the fact that no HD radio is offered.

I just found this out the other day and i was kinda shocked cauze it had everything imaginable except the HD Radio fature, so i wanted to share.:)

Im still getting it though!:D

[f5fstop]

Just checked the XM Traffic and from what I can determine in my area, it is basically worthless, so I would opt for the standard XM tuner. Might also include the wireless remote that attaches to the steering wheel.
Did anyone install the Pioneer backup camera, and if so, where did you mount it? I would assume in the middle, but would it not show the rear tire?

[Agriv8r]

Just checked the XM Traffic and from what I can determine in my area, it is basically worthless, so I would opt for the standard XM tuner. Might also include the wireless remote that attaches to the steering wheel.
Did anyone install the Pioneer backup camera, and if so, where did you mount it? I would assume in the middle, but would it not show the rear tire?

W are install "bullet" cameras. We mount them flush into the rear bumper with a little wedge to get the tire out of the picture. Also using hitch cams.

[Mark805]

F5fstop:

I have the pioneer camera on mine. I have it mounted just to the right of the trailer hitch. I can take a picture if you want to see where I put it.

I like the position for backing but if you are going to use it to watch your trailered stuff its not going to show you much.

[Agriv8r]

post the pic

[HummerNewbie]

Dont get me wrong on this... both systems are great but if you can swing it, I'd spend the extra $500 and go with the Z1, you'll be happy in the long run.

I would have to agree that they are both great systems and that the Z1 has some features that are great and is overall a better system. What I have to disagree with is it only being $500 more. I have not checked in a few months so maybe it has changed but the best price for the Z1 I could find at the time was about $1K more than the average price I could get a D1 for. I could certainly swing it but just could justify it on my first NAV system. I am going to run the D1 for a while and then depending on how much I utilize it and how the other features would benefit me, I might bump up to the Z1.

[HummerNewbie]

Just checked the XM Traffic and from what I can determine in my area, it is basically worthless, so I would opt for the standard XM tuner. Might also include the wireless remote that attaches to the steering wheel.

Check around on pricing but I would go ahead and get the XM Traffic tuner instead of just the standard XM Tuner. As I recall it only cost me about $20 more than a standard one and you have the option. Just don't sign up for the $2.95/mo traffic service until it is worth it. If it never become worth it, you only spent an extra $20 but it will probably retain resale better than a standard tuner. Just my $0.02 on it.

[f5fstop]

Actual price is higher than $20.00. I won't be leaving it in when I trade next year, I will take it with me.
However, one last question, and maybe I have to go up to the store to find out, but how about viewing the screen with polarizer sunglasses. I have seen some screens impossible to read with these sunglasses.

[Mark805]

screen reads fine using Polarized Oakley Romeo 2.0s.

Camera pictures inc when i get home from work :)

[HummerNewbie]

Actual price is higher than $20.00. I won't be leaving it in when I trade next year, I will take it with me.

If you are looking at a retail location they will be more that $20 higher but I got my tuner new off Ebay. As far a resale, I was talking the tuner itself, not helping the resale/trade value of the vehicle. So what are you trading for next year, a new H3? :)

[f5fstop]

If I purchase, it will probably be from a place in DE that I have dealt with before. Their price is less than $900 for the unit; local is around 1300. I was talking about the XM tuner, seems to run about 50 more. Price isn't the problem, it's the service in this area, and the fact it is limited to major cities.

Just found out on Pioneer's website that there is a local demo on Saturday about 10 miles from here. Vehicles will be available with the different systems outside. Hopefully, it will be a nice sunny day.

One last question:
Does anyone have the names and part numbers for the connectors that are required to keep Onstar, the Chime and Monsoon operating; as well as retain all the other factory radio functions such as speed/sound increase (function of the BCM). I have looked and places I find seem to only mention up to 2004 or 2005. They sound like they will work, but want to be sure.

IF, I decide to get one, I promise to take tons of photos for the install and post them here.

[HummerNewbie]

I am surprised you don't have the XM Traffic coverage that we have down here. Or maybe I was mistaken but aren't you in the Detroit area? Maybe we have the coverage even though it is a smaller city due to being the tourism capital. I wouldn't spend $50 extra for it if you are not going to get the benefit either. I don't have the part numbers available to me right now but will check on them. The shop you are planning on purchasing from should be able to supply everything you need but you can also PM kodiakz here on the forum and he can get everything for you. He is very knowledgeable and tell you your best options. Don't hesitate to PM me if you have any questions. You have answered so many questions for the rest of us I will do my best to answer any you might have.

[f5fstop]

I am surprised you don't have the XM Traffic coverage that we have down here. Or maybe I was mistaken but aren't you in the Detroit area? Maybe we have the coverage even though it is a smaller city due to being the tourism capital. I wouldn't spend $50 extra for it if you are not going to get the benefit either. I don't have the part numbers available to me right now but will check on them. The shop you are planning on purchasing from should be able to supply everything you need but you can also PM kodiakz here on the forum and he can get everything for you. He is very knowledgeable and tell you your best options. Don't hesitate to PM me if you have any questions. You have answered so many questions for the rest of us I will do my best to answer any you might have.

The XM road coverage that they show for this area does not include any of the roads I normally travel (am I reading the map correctly). I tend to stay off the interstates and large highways in this area, finding it a lot faster to commute on the smaller roads.
I emailed Kodiakz a few days ago, and have not heard anything; vacation maybe. The place I'm purchasing from sells the major components, but not many of the adapters, but their price of $899 for the new unit is the best I can find, and they are reputable. I have dealt with them before and so has my neighbor. (MyTaxFree.com).

Right now I am researching (for everyone too), the VSS wire. I have found that on some early build H3s, the speed signal wire might be right at the radio connector (not used by the radio), but in later builds they removed it unless the vehicle came from the factory with the Nav unit. However, in all cases, the VSS signal wire comes into the vehicle to connector C204, which is located behind the right kick panel area (remove the sill molding by pulling up, then remove the kick panel by pulling inward). Connector is right in the middle and is white with a blue locking device bar.
The wire will come in on one side of the connector (engine wiring harness side), but not be in the other connector that is the I/P harness unless a Nav is installed or it is an early build. There are two dark green/white stripped wires coming into the connector. One is the A/C compressor turn on signal, and the other is the VSS signal wire. The VSS signal wire is toward the middle of the connector, the A/C request is the third in from the end. (I'll get photos next week during the install.)

[HummBebe]

I have lousy hearing, BUT, I will tell you the Monsoon System is SUPER...

RYD

Is that why you are always yelling???:D ;)

[f5fstop]

I guess my confusion on the adapters is that the websites I'm visiting show the following:
Peripheral GMAH24B - Now you can replace the factory radio in your OnStar and Bose equipped GM vehicle and maintain all of the Bose amplifiers, Bose speakers, and OnStar functionality. For model year 2000-2004.
and
Peripheral GMAHCM - This one sounds correct, except for the model years.

Is it that the website has not updated the information, or is there another adapter required?
In addition, when they say Bose, do they also mean Monsoon? I guess I could research the GM schematics, but to see if the Bose and Monsoon have similar wires for connection to the amplifiers from the radios.

So, if these are correct, all I would require would be:
Receiver
XM Tuner
The two adapters
Antenna adapter
Rear Camera
Two-bottles of Morgan's Rum
Face plate
Another bottle of Morgan's Rum

(Actually, probably a lot easier than the mirrors.)

[BuzzH3]

I guess my confusion on the adapters is that the websites I'm visiting show the following:
Peripheral GMAH24B - Now you can replace the factory radio in your OnStar and Bose equipped GM vehicle and maintain all of the Bose amplifiers, Bose speakers, and OnStar functionality. For model year 2000-2004.
and
Peripheral GMAHCM - This one sounds correct, except for the model years.

Is it that the website has not updated the information, or is there another adapter required?
In addition, when they say Bose, do they also mean Monsoon? I guess I could research the GM schematics, but to see if the Bose and Monsoon have similar wires for connection to the amplifiers from the radios.

So, if these are correct, all I would require would be:
Receiver
XM Tuner
The two adapters
Antenna adapter
Rear Camera
Two-bottles of Morgan's Rum
Face plate
Another bottle of Morgan's Rum

(Actually, probably a lot easier than the mirrors.)

I have the Z1 and love it. I have a sunroof and have had no problems viewing it in direct sunlight. I haven't messed with the D1, but from what I have heard the hard drive based nav is much quicker than DVD based. There is a lot of great information on AVIC411.com. Some of the people on that forum preferred to go with other brand cameras instead of the pioneer. I bought the Pioneer and so far I love it. The viewing angles are very good and the picture quality is very good even in low light. I mounted mine right above my license plate, but I'm thinking about moving it. My plan is to buy a motor for a power side mirror and mount it near the hitch. Then mount the switch in the center console so I can adjust the camera from inside the vehicle.

Those are the correct 2 adapters. You will also have to connect the 3 purple wires in the factory harness together.
If you end up getting the Z1, which I recommend, also get the bypass board from AVIC411.com so you can access all of the features while driving.

I was lucky. My VSS wire was in the small plug in the factory harness.

From what I read about your mirror install this should be much easier. I spent about 5-6 hours on it, but I tend to really take my time on things because I'm afraid of messing something up.

Also, a lot of people on the AVIC411 forum have been mounting their XM and GPS antenna to the underside of the dash and have had excellent results. I actually ran mine to the roof (even though kodiaz suggested under the dash), but next time I need to get into the dash, I think I am going to remount them. There is plenty of room right above the stereo to mount them.

[usetosellhummer]

stock sysstem, driver side door pannel speaker rattleing bass all of a sudden? problems

[marin8703]

I guess my confusion on the adapters is that the websites

So, if these are correct, all I would require would be:
Receiver
XM Tuner
The two adapters
Antenna adapter
Rear Camera
Two-bottles of Morgan's Rum
Face plate
Another bottle of Morgan's Rum

(Actually, probably a lot easier than the mirrors.)

hey f5fstop

what do you need the antenna adapter for?, is that so you can reuse one of the antenas or what. I am going to do the same install so am kinda researching the procedure right now. I got some help from buzz a while ago, he also installed the z1.

Please take alot of pics of the intall and post:D , Thanks!:)

[f5fstop]

I have the Z1 and love it. I have a sunroof and have had no problems viewing it in direct sunlight. I haven't messed with the D1, but from what I have heard the hard drive based nav is much quicker than DVD based. There is a lot of great information on AVIC411.com. Some of the people on that forum preferred to go with other brand cameras instead of the pioneer. I bought the Pioneer and so far I love it. The viewing angles are very good and the picture quality is very good even in low light. I mounted mine right above my license plate, but I'm thinking about moving it. My plan is to buy a motor for a power side mirror and mount it near the hitch. Then mount the switch in the center console so I can adjust the camera from inside the vehicle.

Those are the correct 2 adapters. You will also have to connect the 3 purple wires in the factory harness together.
If you end up getting the Z1, which I recommend, also get the bypass board from AVIC411.com so you can access all of the features while driving.

I was lucky. My VSS wire was in the small plug in the factory harness.

From what I read about your mirror install this should be much easier. I spent about 5-6 hours on it, but I tend to really take my time on things because I'm afraid of messing something up.

Also, a lot of people on the AVIC411 forum have been mounting their XM and GPS antenna to the underside of the dash and have had excellent results. I actually ran mine to the roof (even though kodiaz suggested under the dash), but next time I need to get into the dash, I think I am going to remount them. There is plenty of room right above the stereo to mount them.

Wondering do you have an early build H3? Reason I'm asking is I'm trying to correlate some information on why some have the VSS wire to the connector and some don't. In addition, you say three purple wires, per the schematics, one of those three purple wires going to the radio is only for the GPS head unit. So, I'm only guessing here, but from what I seem to have found out, early builds have the plugs setup for the NAV system, even if they had no NAV system. Somewhere along the line, GM revised the wiring and the NAV wires were left out unless NAV was installed in the plant.

Now, back to those three purple wires. You say you have to splice them together? Doesn't the new system adjust volume for speed? The purple wires are the serial data bus wire, that the BCM uses for multiple reason. One, to signal the volume to go down or up depending on speed, to identify the radio that is part of the internal LAN system, and to chime and I believe the RAP circuit. So, the twisting of these wires together confuses me, since the information on the website regarding these adapters state the RAP circuit works, the volume is controlled.
Are there wires that need to be spliced into other circuits other than the radio circuits?
There is a small shelf just above the radio, where the factory NAV system antenna is mounted, and that should be okay for the Pioneer, at least that is where I'll mount the antenna.
Where did you install the XM box? Did you mount behind the radio, or over the glove box?
Sorry for all the questions, but those purple wires confuse me, but then again, I do not have the wiring schematics for the adapters.

[f5fstop]

hey f5fstop

what do you need the antenna adapter for?, is that so you can reuse one of the antenas or what. I am going to do the same install so am kinda researching the procedure right now. I got some help from buzz a while ago, he also installed the z1.

Please take alot of pics of the intall and post:D , Thanks!:)
Not sure if I will or not, but I know GM has used a mini plug for many years, and I guess I'm assuming Pioneer is using the larger antenna hole. Guess I should ask too.:D

[HummerNewbie]

Not sure if I will or not, but I know GM has used a mini plug for many years, and I guess I'm assuming Pioneer is using the larger antenna hole. Guess I should ask too.:D

Yes, to use the factory radio antenna you will need the adaptor. Also, I mounted my XM tuner directly behind the head unit.

[f5fstop]

Did anyone lose the ability to fade front/rear with the adapter? Per one of their techs, I will lose the ability to fade the sound. Looking at their so-called online instructions, it appears that on some GM vehicles with rear controls you lose this ability; however, without rear controls you retain this ability.
Their answer, and their so-called online instruction (which are some of the worse instructions I have ever read), does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about this adapter.
Granted, their online instructions could be just that, and a better set comes with the kit, but they have some inaccuracies that are noticeable such as Onstar leads coming in on the 24-pin connector.
Are there any other companies that make this type adapter?

[HummerNewbie]

Which model adapter are you talking about? I can't say positively but I believe I have used the fade since installing the D1. I will be heading out for a few minutes in a little while and will test it.

[BuzzH3]

Wondering do you have an early build H3? Reason I'm asking is I'm trying to correlate some information on why some have the VSS wire to the connector and some don't. In addition, you say three purple wires, per the schematics, one of those three purple wires going to the radio is only for the GPS head unit. So, I'm only guessing here, but from what I seem to have found out, early builds have the plugs setup for the NAV system, even if they had no NAV system. Somewhere along the line, GM revised the wiring and the NAV wires were left out unless NAV was installed in the plant.

Now, back to those three purple wires. You say you have to splice them together? Doesn't the new system adjust volume for speed? The purple wires are the serial data bus wire, that the BCM uses for multiple reason. One, to signal the volume to go down or up depending on speed, to identify the radio that is part of the internal LAN system, and to chime and I believe the RAP circuit. So, the twisting of these wires together confuses me, since the information on the website regarding these adapters state the RAP circuit works, the volume is controlled.
Are there wires that need to be spliced into other circuits other than the radio circuits?
There is a small shelf just above the radio, where the factory NAV system antenna is mounted, and that should be okay for the Pioneer, at least that is where I'll mount the antenna.
Where did you install the XM box? Did you mount behind the radio, or over the glove box?
Sorry for all the questions, but those purple wires confuse me, but then again, I do not have the wiring schematics for the adapters.

I purchased my H3 on Oct. 15, 2005. Not sure of the build date. Mine seems to have all of the wires there. There is a bulletin for the GMAH24B that states that the 3 purple wires have to be connected together with a jumper wire. If not, the GMAH24B may not work for OnStar and possibly the new stereo will not power up. Sorry, I don't have any other reason why.
The online instructions for the GMAH24B are horrible. It is for an old version. There is no longer a resistor wire kit. Also, the Monsoon system is not considered to be the Premium Bose system. Just connect all of the wires to the new stereo harness per the wire colors. They all match. I just connected them all so I am running the front and rear speakers through the adapter. I have have full balance and fader controls. All of the chimes are controlled through the GMAHCM adapter. I also have RAP for the new stereo. I don't believe that I have speed sensitive volume (I haven't paid attention). I assumed that was controlled through the factory stereo since you could change it or turn it off using the factory stereo controls, but you are the expert there. If it is in the BCM, then maybe it will retain the last setting when the factory stereo was removed. I never had mine turned on so I don't think I have it.
I actually slid the XM module right in front of the OnStar module. It is between the OnStar module and the front of the center console. There is a metal bracket that the OnStar module sits down into. The bracket just needs to be bent slightly towards the Onstar module for the XM module to fit. I can try to get a picture of it tonight or tomorrow.

[BuzzH3]

Did anyone lose the ability to fade front/rear with the adapter? Per one of their techs, I will lose the ability to fade the sound. Looking at their so-called online instructions, it appears that on some GM vehicles with rear controls you lose this ability; however, without rear controls you retain this ability.
Their answer, and their so-called online instruction (which are some of the worse instructions I have ever read), does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about this adapter.
Granted, their online instructions could be just that, and a better set comes with the kit, but they have some inaccuracies that are noticeable such as Onstar leads coming in on the 24-pin connector.
Are there any other companies that make this type adapter?

Yes, there are better instructions that come with the adapter. I can try to scan them in tonight and post them.

[HummerNewbie]

Other than where I installed the XM tuner, X2 on everything Buzz said. Just tested fade and balance and everything works just fine. I did have the not powering up issue for the second time last week. Have no idea what causes it but I just turn the key off then back on and it powers up just fine. Only the second time in 2 1/2 months so I'm not going to worry about it.

[f5fstop]

Thanks guys, I guess I'm just putting too much into this at this time. I have been in contact with a fellow at Peripheral and driving him nuts. However, he has not explained that the online instructions are not the one to use. However, he keeps insisting I will lose fade, but I keep asking him if he is thinking I have the premium rear system that states you will lose the fade.
Oh well, I will drive him nuts.

Buzz, you have a PM and thanks to all.

[Mark805]

F4Fstop: here are some pictures that I was talking about. The unit is a Z1 but the camera pictures are the same on both z1 & d1. The first picture is my driving view with rear view on and nav. The second is the view when you go into reverse and the third pic is where the camera is mounted. You can definately see my spare in the top part of the screen but its not too bad and doesnt take away from the view. It actually helps me with perspective when backing up close to something.

http://www.cylasblues.com/images/hmmr/DSC00761%20(Small).JPG

http://www.cylasblues.com/images/hmmr/DSC00768%20(Small).JPG

http://www.cylasblues.com/images/hmmr/DSC00773%20(Small).JPG

[Mark805]

Z1 & the Ipod...

I also am putting in pics of the ipod interface on the Z1... If you are putting an ipod in you car the difference from the D1 and Z1 is HUGE.

The D1 would only display the first 8 characters of your choice (song or artist title) and Ipod control was a joke. If you can get a look at the D1 & ipod interface and its important to you do it... These are the Z1:

http://www.cylasblues.com/images/hmmr/DSC00770%20(Small).JPG

http://www.cylasblues.com/images/hmmr/DSC00772%20(Small).JPG

[Mark805]

As far as interface adaptors go:

As far as I know.. the purple wire deal was for the pac audio, specific to the OS2-Bose adaptor. This was in order to get the interface to work on the H3. Here's the website http://www.pac-audio.com/products/productsCatagory.asp?mmSearch=OnStar%20Interface.

Also here is a link to the directions on their web site: http://www.pac-audio.com/bulletins/2006h3wiringchange.pdf

Personally I would avoid the Pac-audio adaptor. Its what I had with the D1 and it would make a loud "pop" sound when turning OnStar on and off. I currently using the adaptor by metra. Not sure onthe model number, CarToys made this change.

There are now specific H3 adaptors out there that eliminate this splicing stuff.

KodiakZ is a pro on this topic fyi. He helped me talk the installer at CarToys through alot of the glitches.

[f5fstop]

Thanks, those pictures are worth a thousand words.
I like where you mounted the camera, I was considering earlier mounting a bullet camera in about the same place, but inside a custom made bracket. I guess the horizontal angle is not enough to show the trailer hitch, which is good. Maybe I'll just go ahead with the Pioneer camera, which I can order from the same location.
Love the Hummer screen, I saw on avid411, how you can install one on the D2, and it appears from reading Pioneers site, it is a feature of the Z1.

Don't have an iPod and don't intend to get one. I use XM all the time, and if I decide to listen to my songs, I have about fifty MP3 CDs that will give me enough music to last for quite a long time.

I would be more worried about the XM display. But anything would be better than the weak display that is currently on the factory MP3 head unit I have now. (Still trying to figure out who thought amber was a good color:( )

I have looked (onsite) at the Z1 versus the D2, and I guess my problem is the extra $500+ bucks for a hard drive I will never use. I have to assume the D2 has some type of buffer in it for the NAV screens or else there would be some jumpiness to the change in screen when the NAV is on (or it has one hell of a fast DVD reader). I can't say never, but I can almost say I would never load a ton of music onto the hard drive, so I would be satisfied with the D2.
The 7" screen versus the 6.5 might be a decent feature, but the money comes into play again. The D2, with the rear camera, all the adapters, and possibly the remote is hitting $1400.00 bucks, and I promised myself I would not go over 2K in toys this month, and there is a brand new SIG Sauer sitting at the local gun store that keeps calling my name.

However, I'll hold off on the final decision till Saturday, when I go take a look at the pioneer systems at a Pioneer sponsored showing at at local store. This will give me the chance to see them installed, in sunlight and from what I have read, in a Hummer (H2 that is).

Now, the remote. Did you get the wireless remote? If so, is it worth it, does it blend in ok in the steering wheel?

Thanks again.

[f5fstop]

As far as interface adaptors go:

As far as I know.. the purple wire deal was for the pac audio, specific to the OS2-Bose adaptor. This was in order to get the interface to work on the H3. Here's the website http://www.pac-audio.com/products/productsCatagory.asp?mmSearch=OnStar%20Interface.

Also here is a link to the directions on their web site: http://www.pac-audio.com/bulletins/2006h3wiringchange.pdf

Personally I would avoid the Pac-audio adaptor. Its what I had with the D1 and it would make a loud "pop" sound when turning OnStar on and off.

There are now specific H3 adaptors out there that eliminate this splicing stuff.

KodiakZ is a pro on this topic fyi. He helped me talk the installer at CarToys through alot of the glitches.

I have had some ongoing discussions with Peripheral and I guess I have confused the technician. Their diagrams show the onstar inputs coming into the device on the 24-pin connector, and they actually come into the 12-pin. I believe it is a typo, but he is getting frustrated.:D
I will be ordering the Peripheral adapters, even if I do continue to drive the tech crazy.:D I feel I owe it to the poor guy.
The purple wires are actually easy to understand, but not sure why Peripheral does not fix the adapter. I bet they will in the future since all the new GM radios are being wired the way the H3 is wired.
The reason for splicing the wires is that the class 2 serial data information comes into the radio on pin A2 (24-pin connector) and then is sent out to the XM module through Pin G (12-pin connector), and to the VCIM (onstar module) on Pin A1 (24-pin connector). This pass through of the two-way serial data link is fairly new to GM vehicles, but will be standard in the future. Without splicing the wires, the BCM will lose contact with the VCIM, and XM module, and the modules will not operate since they need VIN confirmation from the BCM, and the BCM is looking for the modules (good reason to keep the XM module powered up, even if not used). So, the work-around is to splice the wires together. Being a class 2 circuit, there is no problem due to the identifier codes from the input/output signals.

I have written Kodiakz, but no answer. Possibly on vacation or too busy installing systems.

[Mark805]

Its funny you ask about the remote... I called around trying to find one and seems they are a pretty hot item right now.

All I know is the straps look kind of cheesy but the price almost justifies trying it out. (around $25.00)

If the D2 is similar to the D1, you can change the load screen and background to custom ones, its just a little tricky. Best place for Pioneer advice is at Avic411.Com

I just followed the instructions on the mod/hack section and it worked flawlessly.

[Mark805]

omg Kodiakz is afk?!

I got to tell you.. hopefully he gets back. The guy that did my initial install was pretty clueless. (was the stores first H3 back in Sept 05) Kod posted alot of instructions and I just delivered them to the installer (not sure how annoyed he was getting but it got the job done.. best reaction was when I showed him the factory antenna would plug into the pioneer xm unit via Kods direction :D )

[f5fstop]

From what I have read on this forum, he is the god of system installs on the H3. One of the first things I did was write him a quick note.

Now, one more question, where did you get that Hummer screen...:D

[Mark805]

where did you get that Hummer screen

I made em :cool:

Feel free to use them.. just save the pictures and follow the directions on Avic411.com.

These are the 2 i think turned out the best...

http://www.cylasblues.com/images/hmmr/H3Thing.jpg

http://www.cylasblues.com/images/hmmr/hummerwow.jpg

[BuzzH3]

Now, the remote. Did you get the wireless remote? If so, is it worth it, does it blend in ok in the steering wheel?

Thanks again.

I did get the wireless remote. It works really good and being black, it kind of blends in with the steering wheel. The steering wheel audio controls was one thing I really wished the H3 had and this solves that issue. There are not a whole lot of controls on it but it has all of the main ones. Plus, with the Z1 there is a button to trigger the voice activation which you can control just about everything in the Z1. The voice recognition on the Z1 works really well.

I too was deciding between the D2 and the Z1. The things that swayed me were:
1. HD based - quicker NAV and ability to learn driving preferences. The second part is cool because it constantly records information about how and where you drive. This not only makes the NAV much more accurate it allows it to generate routes based on roads thet you prefer. Plus, with the ability to record music, it's like having a 200 disc CD changer built into the H3.
2. the 7" vs. the 6.5" screen - may not seem like much, but it's noticable.
3. CDDB database built in - it will look up CD information for any CD you put in it.
4. Voice Recognition

Both stereos are excellent, these were just the main things that swayed me to the Z1. Just my 2 cents.

[f5fstop]

Thanks for the screens.

[BuzzH3]

Here are some pics of the steering wheel remote and the microphone for the Voice recognition on the Z1

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[Mark805]

I put my mic on the bottom right in the intrument cluster by the speedo. I agree on the voice recognition. It works flawlessly.

Thanks for the pics on your steering wheel. My reason for lookin at the remote was for a trigger for the voice control. That might fit the bill.

Speaking of learning driving practices. I noticed this the other day... I use nav every day when i head to work (for the traffic nav) I'm such a creature of habit.. anyways.. one day I was running late and I didnt make my usual stop at starbucks.. when I was driving by, my nav told me to turn right.. I was confused and thought it was messed up... i then realized it was expecting me to turn cause I do every morning. TOO funny. The Z1 wanted me not to forget my morning java :D

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I believe if I go ahead with this (will decide this weekend when I actually see the units installed in some vehicles at the Pioneer show), I will use the Digistar by Soundgate. Kodiakz wrote back and gave me some info on the interfaces to use. In addition, I learned today that in some cases, the Peripheral devices require unplugging for interfacing with the Tech 2 diagnostic tool, while the Digistar does nto require being disconnected. In addition, the Digistar is an all in one unit that combines the Chime module so it should be a cleaner install.

Still deciding which unit to purchase so I have another question regarding the bluetooth adapater.
Is the sound quality good through the bluetooth? I have tried a half-dozen blue tooth wireless headphones before I purchased one that had decent sound, and even that lacks when compared to a wired headset. So, I'm wondering how does the bluetooth compare to let's say using the phone directly?
I also remembered I have a bug in my LG8100 phone with Bluetooth, it won't allow me to use voice recognition built into the phone when the bluetooth is connected.

I currently have Onstar connected through my Verizon acccount, and the connections via Onstar are fantastic, but I would consider dropping this if the bluetooth was as good.

[BuzzH3]

I believe if I go ahead with this (will decide this weekend when I actually see the units installed in some vehicles at the Pioneer show), I will use the Digistar by Soundgate. Kodiakz wrote back and gave me some info on the interfaces to use. In addition, I learned today that in some cases, the Peripheral devices require unplugging for interfacing with the Tech 2 diagnostic tool, while the Digistar does nto require being disconnected. In addition, the Digistar is an all in one unit that combines the Chime module so it should be a cleaner install.

Still deciding which unit to purchase so I have another question regarding the bluetooth adapater.
Is the sound quality good through the bluetooth? I have tried a half-dozen blue tooth wireless headphones before I purchased one that had decent sound, and even that lacks when compared to a wired headset. So, I'm wondering how does the bluetooth compare to let's say using the phone directly?
I also remembered I have a bug in my LG8100 phone with Bluetooth, it won't allow me to use voice recognition built into the phone when the bluetooth is connected.

I currently have Onstar connected through my Verizon acccount, and the connections via Onstar are fantastic, but I would consider dropping this if the bluetooth was as good.

There is another tech bulletin on the GMAH24B about some of the older units having to be disconnected (or you could remove the radio fuse), but the newer versions of it don't have this problem. I haven't heard about the soundgate adapter. The all-in-one part sounds cool. Let me know how it works.
I don't have the bluetooth adapter yet since my current phone does not have bluetooth. I think there have been some issues with the bluetooth adapter as far as compatibility, but from what I heard if you have a phone that works with it, it works really well. You can also transfer your phone book to the Z1 and use it to call any POI's since most of them have phone numbers saved on the HD. There are some rumors that Pioneer is working on a replacement for the bluetooth adapter to resolve some of the connection problems. Search AVIC411 for bluetooth. There is a ton of threads out there about it.

[Mark805]

Soundgate will do you right... I'll let you know about the b/t adaptor when it comes in.(On backorder)

:cool:

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Does the Z1 and the D2 dim when the lights go on? I have read on avic411 that there is a problem with them dimming with auto headlamps.
Possibly the adapters take care of this, but just curious.
I would guess the nav screen or audio screen would be pretty darn bright when driving at night if it does not dim.

[HummerNewbie]

My D1 dims so I would hope the D2 and Z1 both dim as well.

[Mark805]

Mine dims.. In fact... the first picture I posted for you, the one with the map and rear view... the nav map is in the night mode. :p

Oh.. and my fade works btw... I never answered that question.

[f5fstop]

Thanks guys...
Appreciate all the replys. Now, to wait till the auto demonstration and decide which unit to get.

[Agriv8r]

our z1 dims:p

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Ok, another question, not sure if anyone has tried it.

When you place a route with this system, can you manually override the recommended route?

For example:
On my return trip from Moab, my Garmin GPS had me routed via I-70 to St. Louis, then up I-57, to I-80, through Chicago, then onto I-94 to I-69. I was not about go drive through Chicago twice in the same year, so I went into the Garmin map, placed a new VIA point at I-69, just north of Indianapolis, and the route was changed to I-70 to Indianapolis, then up I-69 to East Lansing. This route was only 11 miles farther than the recommended route, but I would guess an hour or two faster.:D

I have looked at the Pioneer site and can't find any info on overriding the recommended route.

[HummerNewbie]

You can put in things to avoid like toll roads but not sure if you can put in an alternative route, never tried. Now if you left it the way it was and drove straight through past the exit it would start rerouting you. It would probably eventually change to the route you wanted but you would have to listen to it telling you to make a u-turn for a while :(

[fourfourto]

My Eclipse gives you 3 route choices you can scan :cool: usually I use the first one(quick way),but its not always the best route.
My brothers Vw factory GPS does not.
But he has clinometor and altitude functions I wish I had ,but his screen doesnt tilt:rolleyes:

[f5fstop]

You can put in things to avoid like toll roads but not sure if you can put in an alternative route, never tried. Now if you left it the way it was and drove straight through past the exit it would start rerouting you. It would probably eventually change to the route you wanted but you would have to listen to it telling you to make a u-turn for a while :(

My Garmin is stubborn as hell. It will try for miles to get me to make a U-turn, or a bunch of rights/lefts to get back on course, so I just shut the sound down until I need it again, or I see it has changed the route the way I prefer.

[HummerNewbie]

My Garmin is stubborn as hell. It will try for miles to get me to make a U-turn, or a bunch of rights/lefts to get back on course, so I just shut the sound down until I need it again, or I see it has changed the route the way I prefer.

I am guess that is exactly what the Pioneers would do. I know there are a ton of features that I have not even messed with yet so there might be an option to change the route. I would ask the Pioneer guys today when your are checking out the different systems.

[Mark805]

there's a setting on the z1 that has options like.. quickest, shortest, avoid tolls, avoid traffic (need xm nav) stuff like that... to get more then one option you need to select the amount of routes you want it to make... then when it calulates the route you can scroll thru to the one you want then select ok. I did notice that sometimes it shows multiple routes and there would be a duplicate.

[HummerNewbie]

there's a setting on the z1 that has options like.. quickest, shortest, avoid tolls, avoid traffic (need xm nav) stuff like that... to get more then one option you need to select the amount of routes you want it to make... then when it calulates the route you can scroll thru to the one you want then select ok. I did notice that sometimes it shows multiple routes and there would be a duplicate.

I know the D1 has these options as well but have not tried them.

[thedieter]

The stock radio/CD is fine with us but we are not of the Generation that requires constant music over voice...in fact it drives us crazy.

Best regards, Happy Jack

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The stock radio/CD is fine with us but we are not of the Generation that requires constant music over voice...in fact it drives us crazy.

Best regards, Happy Jack

Lost me....:confused:

[HummerNewbie]

The stock radio/CD is fine with us but we are not of the Generation that requires constant music over voice...in fact it drives us crazy.

Best regards, Happy Jack

But what you don't understand is that with the NAV I get an extra voice that tells me when to turn :D ;)

[thedieter]

I have to defer to the ones that have navigation screens in the dash. I have never had one.

My feeling is that a nav system would be a distraction if only the driver is available to operate it. Even a navagator in the passenger seet can be a distraction.:D I am interested in what others have to say about it.

If one can talk back to the system rather than punch buttons & screen it may be OK.

For the price of the nav systems one can get a good laptop and GPS roadmap program that will do 100 times as much and seems like a better option to me.

What I am talking about "voice overs" is the way they have "music" with narrations that make it hard to understand what they are saying.

Is it possible that the younger generation's brains are unable to stay awake without constant musical background? (incoming)

Best regards, Happy Jack

[f5fstop]

It is probably less of a distraction that putting a Garmin on the top of the dash panel, which also tells you where your next turns are, and reduced valuable windshield space.
I have used this same garmin for many years, traveling cross country many times, and I do not consider it a distraction. I have also driven GM vehicles with the in-dash Navs and do not consider them distractions, but I will agree that for some people, they might be distractions.
Nice part of any Nav is the voice command, that makes it possible to know where your turn is without looking at the screen if traffic is too heavy, or like my existing Garmin Nav, it blows up the actual turn so a quick look is all that is required.

I sure hope the Pioneer Nav has no voice overs with music, I agree that would not be good.
Problem with a laptop is it is too large, and there is really no place to put on in the H3. Where would you mount it so that the driver could see/hear the instructions. If traveling alone, you could put it on the passenger seat I guess, but then you would be turning your head to look at something, versus keeping your head straight ahead.

As for younger brains...too old to remember what younger brains required.

[thedieter]

F5f:
Thanks for the hands on description. I have been wondering if it would be worth the high cost of a built in navigation system. It seems like a high price to pay for what they do. For someone that drives a lot in strange locations it would surely be worth it.

I agree that a laptop would be a problem to locate in an H3 but the copilot could hold it on his/her lap during brief intense navigating such as through cities. We have had good luck printing out routes and directions before trips with the laptop.

My rant about voice overs was kind of off topic and applies mainly to the programming on TV these days on my favorite channels such as History, Discovery and Military. They play the background "music" so loud that it is drowning out the narration. Where it applies to cars is that many people play their radios so loud that they drown out sirens, etc. It is well known that high volumes damage hearing.

Best regards, Happy Jack

[HummerNewbie]

We have had good luck printing out routes and directions before trips with the laptop.

That does work great if you know where you are going to be going before hand and can get the route printed out before leaving. I know I have done this many times before getting a navigation system. One problem I had with this method a little while back was when I was heading up to Tellico back in March. I printed the route out, had the turn by turn directions but the problem was the roads were not marked very well. The directions from Map Quest or where ever it was I go them were pretty much dead on but I spent a fair amount of time stopping and second guessing them because of the marking on the roads. With a navigation system you don't have to be watch for signs, how far you have driven since the last turn and so on, you just keep an eye on the road and turn when it says to turn. You also get a warning before you need to turn rather than suddenly noticing you are at the next turn and have to hit the breaks. Of course a navigation system can be more dangerous if the driver is paying more attention to it than they are to the road but that can happen with a map just as easily.

[f5fstop]

And besides, NAV systems look cool:D And the Garmin I mount on my dash takes up valuable viewing area from the small windshield.:(

I have just come from the store and the Happy on wheels tour and learned a lot. I will post my findings in a few hours. Right now, have to go pick up Land Mines left in strategic places by the pup and cut the grass.:D

[HummerNewbie]

Right now, have to go pick up Land Mines left in strategic places by the pup and cut the grass.:D

Oh the joy :mad: :D

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Went to the store today and viewed the Pioneer Drive Happier tour, no H2 at this store, instead they have an Escalade loaded with speakers.

Anyway, learned some things, and also learned a lot of misinformation on AVIC 411, or possibly hard to weed out what is incorrect and what is not incorrect on AVIC 411.

Questions to Pioneer from some information I viewed on AVIC411:
Can you turn off the music when directions are given? Yes, on both the D2 and the Z1. On the D2 it is either on or off, on the Z1 you have 4-positons ?10, -20, off or On.

Does the clock show on all screens. Yes, it can be programmed to show on all screens or only the video screen. (Discussion on AVIC411 regarding no clock on the XM screen on a D2.)

Can?t copy MP3 to the hard drive. True, due to copyright laws and the ?Sony? software used on the Z1. (SONY???? That?s what the man said.)

There is a large buffer built into the D2 for the NAV screens to allow a seamless flow of NAV data (different MAP sets) between them while the system is tracking. Per the Pioneer rep, who drives this vehicle over 50K miles a year, there is no problem with the D1 accessing the NAV system, and it appears as flawless as the Z1. (The Z1 in the Escalade had a D1 until the Z1 was installed, he stated the D2 operates the same and has the same buffer as the D1.) He stated the only thing the HD gives you is a bit faster access to the screen when the initial setup is performed or loading if starting the vehicle with the NAV screen On. Once a route is loaded, the required MAP sets are loaded and as a MAP set is no longer needed it is deleted from the buffer, a new MAP set is loaded (if required) into the buffer. He said if there were no buffer, the DVD would have to be spinning at all times; too hard on the drive. Possibly, if going faster than the buffer could handle would cause jerkiness to the NAV, but we all know that is not a problem in the H3.

He also recommended the Soundgate adapters versus the Peripheral; didn?t specify why, but stated in all their GM vehicles, they had Soundgate's installed.

Things I learned about ABC appliances for those in the MI area, after talking with the Pioneer guy outside for a few minutes:
Salesperson insisted the D2 had two components. One, the double din receiver; two, a second box that had to be mounted under the seat or in another location. I had him check with his installer and he confirmed there is only one unit.

Installer stated I would void my warranty if I did the install. I actually pulled out my cell phone and gave him Pioneer?s technical help, which confirmed on Friday, the warranty is not void, and cannot be voided for this fact, so long as you connect it correctly.

Installer stated only peripheral devices would keep the chime. Told him to go talk with the Pioneer guy and go on Soundgate?s website to learn the real truth.

Their price for the unit, with Pioneer paying the install (up to $200.00) was $1499.99 (plus 6% MI taxes), and they would not budge on penny.

I walked!

Prices from Amazon.com that I have for the two different units:
AVIC D2 - $995.00
Rear Camera (Pioneer) ? $183.00
XM Module - $94.99
Remote ? $28.96
Faceplate - $17.95
TOTAL $1319.89 (plus shipping?No taxes)

AVIC-Z1 - $1571.00
Rear Camera (Pioneer) - $183.00
XM Module - $94.99
Remote ? $20.00 (this is full retail, could not find this on Amazon)
Faceplate - $17.95
TOTAL: $1886.94 (plus shipping?no taxes)

Prices do not include the Digistar adapter which is $132 from Soundgate?s website, or the GM to Pioneer FM adapter. Not sure why I need this, since I have not listened to FM since I have had the vehicle.

This makes the Z1, $568.05 more expensive. So, I sit here still debating which is the better deal, and if I want the hassle at this time.

Thanks to everyone for all your input.

[marin8703]

hey f5,

will you get the warranty if you buy it new from Amazon, or will pioneer not honor it?

Thanks

[Mark805]

like i said earlier in this post... $500 difference is worth it in the long run. And if you really need to justify it.. go with.. z1 has 1/2 more screen :p

[f5fstop]

hey f5,

will you get the warranty if you buy it new from Amazon, or will pioneer not honor it?

Thanks

As long as it is a US and not gray model, Pioneer has to honor the warranty.

[HummerNewbie]

Went to the store today and viewed the Pioneer Drive Happier tour, ...

All great info and thinks for sharing. Based on what he said about the D1 and D2 I would consider even going with a D1 for a couple of hundred less. Take a look at Ebay and you can probably find on with full warranty for $800 if not less. That is were I got my XM Traffic tuner for $120 with shipping and it is brand new with full warranty as well.

like i said earlier in this post... $500 difference is worth it in the long run. And if you really need to justify it.. go with.. z1 has 1/2 more screen :p

For my purposes, I have yet to see anything on the Z1 that would make me spend the extra $500 for it. Actually, it was over $1K more than I spent on my D1. It all comes down to personal preferences.

[f5fstop]

As long as it is a US and not gray model, Pioneer has to honor the warranty.

I have to correct this statement. I have done some more research, and my statement is not totally correct. It has to be an authorized Pioneer online retailer, and not only that, it has to be authorized for the specific type of equipment purchased. In this case, Navigation, not just car audio.
So, back to the drawing boards, and the price just rose. However, I found a reliable place online that sells the unit for less, and will issue a 2-yearr warranty that brings it up about $50.00 more than I would have paid to the other firm.

[marin8703]

f5,

can you post link to this place which offers the 2 year waranty?
thanks

[f5fstop]

Damn, what a process to order this stuff, when not every store carries everything required.
I went with the Z1, don?t ask me why; however, I did prefer the all blue LED buttons, versus the green/blue on the D2.:D I did not go with the XM traffic monitor, due to further research. I talked with two people who have this feature, and say it is all but worthless when traveling across country. Locally, it sucks due to the fact that if it is an accident, by the time it is reported, the accident is cleared. So, I could not see the extra $$, and the extra $$ per month for something that I would never use locally, and not worth it for long trips.
Final order was (for those interested in purchasing):

AVIC Z1 Ordered from Comp-u-plus.com
$1519.95
$39.00 (Mack, 3-year warranty)
$33.39 Shipping
Total: $1539.19

ND-BC1 Camera/GEX-P920XM Unit Ordered from Etronics via Amazon.com website
$189.99 (Camera)
$89.99 (GEX-P920XM)
$11.35 shipping
Total: $291.33

Scosche GM1595B/Peripheral GMAH24B and GMAHCM Ordered from Cardomain.com
$15.95 (Scosche)
$144.00 (GMAH24B)
$31.95 (GMAHCM)
$4.95 (Antenna Adapter)
$2.00 Shipping
Total: $199.80

Z1-FC Circuit Flasher Ordered from Sminntec
$34.95
$4.00 shipping
Total $38.95

Total (not counting the Captain Morgan?s I have been sipping on for the past week trying to decide what to purchase) $2123.27

(Cannot find the remote anywhere online at this time. So, I?ll have to order it sometime in the future.)

I went with Peripheral due to the really dumb replies I received from Soundgate in regard to their Digistar adapter. Like I told the support people at both Peripheral and Soundgate, I need to understand how this adapter works, before I purchase it, even if everyone says it works. It is my nature to do this, and I can?t change. Inquiring minds have to know. Peripheral was reluctant at first, but later switched me over to engineering. Soundgate may make a great product, but their tech people are really stubborn about switching me over to engineering, so I gave up due to spending way too much time on this subject, and went with the Peripheral adapters.

I promise to take some photos during install, but don?t expect everything to be here by Friday for a weekend install. So, it will be the next weekend.

So, one last question to all you guys who have installed these units. IS THERE ANYTHING I'M FORGETTING (other than more Captain Morgan's)?

[HummerNewbie]

Congrats on taking the leap and ordering. Looks like you did pretty good and got everything you need ordered, make sure to post plenty of pics :D

[Mark805]

Glad to see you took the leap :D

Did you get the new install faceplate / bracket / mounting kit thing? (Its late and I cant for the life of me think of what its called)

[f5fstop]

Glad to see you took the leap :D

Did you get the new install faceplate / bracket / mounting kit thing? (Its late and I cant for the life of me think of what its called)

You mean the "Scosche" install kit? Yes.

[BuzzH3]

So, one last question to all you guys who have installed these units. IS THERE ANYTHING I'M FORGETTING (other than more Captain Morgan's)?
Some Coke for the Captain Morgan!!!

[TooMch]

Sounds like you'll be busy with your install. Anxoiuus to see pics and hear comments. I'm already partial to Sirius. Is there anything similar to what you are installing that I could get Sirius with?

[f5fstop]

Sounds like you'll be busy with your install. Anxoiuus to see pics and hear comments. I'm already partial to Sirius. Is there anything similar to what you are installing that I could get Sirius with?

Yes, Pioneer offers a Sirius module that is used in place of an XM module.

[TooMch]

Yes, Pioneer offers a Sirius module that is used in place of an XM module.
Oh, that's dangerous information! :D

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I actually slid the XM module right in front of the OnStar module. It is between the OnStar module and the front of the center console. There is a metal bracket that the OnStar module sits down into. The bracket just needs to be bent slightly towards the Onstar module for the XM module to fit. I can try to get a picture of it tonight or tomorrow.
Getting ready for the install, but just curious about this mounting location for the XM receiver. How big is that module? I looked today, and it appeared there would not be enough room for the module and the back of the HVAC controls on the panel.
I have decided to place the camera on top of the trailer hitch in the center of the vehicle. I am in the process of designing a bracket to allow the camera to sit here. Just have to be really careful if hooking up a trailer.

[BuzzH3]

Getting ready for the install, but just curious about this mounting location for the XM receiver. How big is that module? I looked today, and it appeared there would not be enough room for the module and the back of the HVAC controls on the panel.
I have decided to place the camera on top of the trailer hitch in the center of the vehicle. I am in the process of designing a bracket to allow the camera to sit here. Just have to be really careful if hooking up a trailer.
I'm not sure of the dimensions of your XM box, but I have the XM NavTraffic one and I can't believe it would be any smaller. If you just slightly bend the metal bracket holding the onstar box, the XM box will slide all the way down in there so it actually sits lower than the onstar box. There is no interference at all with the HVAC controls.

Yeah, I want to move my camera there too. I just have to get around to doing it.

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I'm not sure of the dimensions of your XM box, but I have the XM NavTraffic one and I can't believe it would be any smaller. If you just slightly bend the metal bracket holding the onstar box, the XM box will slide all the way down in there so it actually sits lower than the onstar box. There is no interference at all with the HVAC controls.

Yeah, I want to move my camera there too. I just have to get around to doing it.

Cool. I'll let you know how I have to adapt the bracket for the camera to fit in that location, if it is the final location I choose.
Also did some research on the GPS antenna mounting under the dash. GM installs their NAV GPS antenna, just to the left of the upper heater/ac vents, behind the I/P cluster, immediately under the plastic dash panel. I believe, if the cluster is removed, access to that area is easy (not sure at this time). Cluster removed in about two minutes.
I plan on trying to mount the antenna there, if not, on top of the heater vents as close to the top as I can get it.
This should work for GPS, but would never work for XM or probably Serius due to the locations of the Satellites.

[BuzzH3]

Getting ready for the install, but just curious about this mounting location for the XM receiver. How big is that module? I looked today, and it appeared there would not be enough room for the module and the back of the HVAC controls on the panel.
I have decided to place the camera on top of the trailer hitch in the center of the vehicle. I am in the process of designing a bracket to allow the camera to sit here. Just have to be really careful if hooking up a trailer.

Ok, I got some pictures of the Xm install. As you can hopefully see, it sits way down in there so the top of the XM box is below the HVAC controls.
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I also finally got the trim ring adjusted right. It always kind of bowed down and left a gap in the middle at the top of the stereo. It was really bothering me so I cut some small pieces of foam to put between the trim ring and the stereo. There is also a clip on the top edge of the stereo opening on the dash piece the needs to be bent slightly.
Here is the after picture
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The before picture is: http://www.elcovaforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17910

[marin8703]

just a quick question for those of you with the avic-z1. What happens when you go off road? Does the nav still continue to show your location onto a map even if not on a road, or does it freak out on you?? Thanks!

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No experience with the Z1, since I Installed it yesterday but it most likely is programmed to follow roads.
I have two different garmins so I have to assume the Z1 will follow my on-road Garmin. It is set to follow the road since there will be some variation between the actual position of the vehicle and the road; primarily due to the maps being slightly off. The software will then put your pointer right on the road.
My handheld Garmin 60csx, which can be loaded with street maps, has a setting to show on road or off road. While traveling to Utah, I pulled it out of the luggage and set it to follow off-road. It showed that I was about twenty feet off of I-80, to the right of the shoulder. When I switched it back to on road, I appeared on the road.
However, if you are a specific distance from the road, all should show exactly where you are. So, I have to assume if you are traveling a mile from a road, in the desert, it will show where you are.
Unless you have topographical software that shows trails as well as roads, it may just show that you are in the middle of nowhere, if the software can show a trail, it should show that you are on a trail.
The Z1, to my disappointment is only an 8-channel GPS receiver, that is it can only obtain up to 8 satellites, and it does not state anything about the wide angle augmentation satellites (WAAS). With the software, it is probably great for navigating the roads. Since the GPS satellites can transmit information that is slightly off, the triangulation of your position can be incorrect by a few meters. The WAAS system uses satellites to send out correction information, which allows the GPS receiver to obtain greater accuracy.

[BuzzH3]

just a quick question for those of you with the avic-z1. What happens when you go off road? Does the nav still continue to show your location onto a map even if not on a road, or does it freak out on you?? Thanks!

I don't recall the name of the setting, but if you have tracking turned on, it will place dots on the map as sort of a breadcrumb trail.
It works even if not driving on a road.

[marin8703]

thanks guys! oh and f5 when you gona post the instalation of the z1, im waiting for that so i can start installing mine.:D , cauze i dont really know how:o . no hurry though. and just kidding i have some idea of how.

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Just don't be looking for photos, I'll post a description of the install, where everything went, how the wires were run, but I took no photos. I was in a hurry, and it was hot.

[PARAGON]

Just don't be looking for photos, I'll post a description of the install, where everything went, how the wires were run, but I took no photos. I was in a hurry, and it was hot.you got any pics?;) :D

[marin8703]

Just don't be looking for photos, I'll post a description of the install, where everything went, how the wires were run, but I took no photos. I was in a hurry, and it was hot.

ok, forget the pics. just need to know where to put stuff and where to wire stuff. oh and so far what do you think of the system no that youve installed it?
i understad you bought the "lights flasher" or what ever its called, i read a lil about it on the z1 forum, does it do what its supposed to?

Thanks again!:)

[f5fstop]

I'm working on a write up now. I will take some photos of the unit installed and the placement of the camera on the back.
The unit looks good, NAV system seems to work well, but there are many features I have not even tried, due to lack of time. I notice no sound difference between my stock MP3 radio, but it is all going through the Monsoon system anyway.
Flasher module does exactly what it is supposed to do. I have full NAV functions at any speed. I have not tried a DVD movie, and probably won't.

I'll be working on the write-up tomorrow while traveling, and I will try and get some photos first thing tomorrow before heading out on a road trip.

Should also mention that I ordered the CD-SR1 steering wheel remote this morning from an online retailer (Audio Video Dimension); last one they had in stock. Did some extensive searching yesterday, and the only remotes I found were at this store, and on eBay. This store's price was $17.99, eBay's price was $34.99. I believe the eBay store knows there is a shortage of these remotes and is raping people. I wrote Pioneer and they replied saying it would be three to four weeks before they had any in their online store.