JK vs. H3

[ajburton13]

I am trying to decide between a JK and H3, with GMID pricing and additional $3500 off for rebates & incentives, the two are basically the same price, I got the JK at $500 over invoice. I like the feel of the H3, but I have always wanted a Wrangler. So......any thoughts?

[buy_a_legend]

Buy the JK = Rubi 4 Door Unlimited,....H3 doesn't even come close. Or you can buy the JK 4 Door Unlimited "X" & load it with needed options, now the H3 & JK will be close.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I am trying to decide between a JK and H3, with GMID pricing and additional $3500 off for rebates & incentives, the two are basically the same price, I got the JK at $500 over invoice. I like the feel of the H3, but I have always wanted a Wrangler. So......any thoughts?

With ALL DUE RESPECT buy the jeep. Leave the the H-3 for us OLDER People because we need the Quiet Leather Interior, the Wonderful Sound System, the Good Looking Vehicle, The Power Windows, The Cruise Control, the Power Seats, The Look and Endearment of All those Good Lookin Women as we drive by, the Good Fuel Mileage, the Great Off Road Experience, the Envey of Most of the Driving Public...

ALL IN A SINGLE VEHICLE

again with all due respect

RYD

[buy_a_legend]

He's absolutely correct,....but still buy the JK 4 Door unlimited because leather & power seats will not get you home. If you decide on the H3 make sure you get SFA, front & rear lockers with 44's, E-Disc, removable roof. removable doors, and a also ask for the one that's a legend, and watch the salesman's face(priceless).

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

He's absolutely correct,....but still buy the JK 4 Door unlimited because leather & power seats will not get you home. If you decide on the H3 make sure you get SFA, front & rear lockers with 44's, E-Disc, removable roof. removable doors, and a also ask for the one that's a legend, and watch the salesman's face(priceless).

Thats the thing: "they will get you home in style and in comfort"

BUT

PLEASE BUY THE JEEP,

CAUSE

There ain't enought H-3's to go around for the good people...

LOL

RYD

[buy_a_legend]

Again,
He's absolutely correct,....but still buy the JK 4 Door unlimited because leather & power seats will not get you home. If you decide on the H3 make sure you get SFA, front & rear lockers with 44's, E-Disc, removable roof. removable doors, and a also ask for the one that's a legend, and watch the salesman's face(priceless).
Please send me a picture of the Salesmans Face......I need a life time memory.

[PARAGON]

I am trying to decide between a JK and H3, with GMID pricing and additional $3500 off for rebates & incentives, the two are basically the same price, I got the JK at $500 over invoice. I like the feel of the H3, but I have always wanted a Wrangler. So......any thoughts?What do you want one for?

If you want the real deal wheeler, get a JK Rubi. If you will be doing lots of mods you can get a Sahara or X but get the Rubi if you want to take it off the pavement off the dealer lot.

If you want the leather get the H3.

Past that, IMO, this is where GM has to play catch up. For the fun factor you can't beat a JK 4 door. Pop the top, take the doors off, Sirius satellite nav radio, more room than the H3, etc. The JK wins hands down.

[ajburton13]

I'm not looking for a real hardcore 4 wheeler, something good for snow, and some rock climbing up in the mountains. Right now, i am going with a X and modifying it, probably a 2 inch budget lift, upgrade on tires/wheels. I like the feel of the H3, and I think it would suit my needs in stock form, I do not care about leather and all of that, I am getting a pretty basic adventure package, well if my dealer can locate a '06.

[Desert Dan]

if you get a JK get the Rubicon.. Much better than trying to add and upgrade later.

You wont be sorry

It is all under waranty too.

[KenP]

For what it sounds like you want to do, the H3 will be great and very comfortable.

If you'd have said you were going to wheel the truck pretty hard then I would say get the JK.

The H3 is just so much nicer in the interior appointments and wheels great.

BTW, that's a good price on the JK. I can get one for $750 over invoice. Jeepwarehouse charges $500 over, plus $250 to the delivering dealership. My local dealership agreed to match it.

[ajburton13]

Yeah, the invoice is 25,500 and I'm getting it for 26k, and it's in stock. I am trying to get them to switch out the tires/wheels to Rubicon for me, and/or pay tax,tags, etc. That would pretty much lock it up.

[usetosellhummer]

Buy the heap

[buy_a_legend]

The way you make it sound, go with the Rubi, because you have what you need right out of the box, plus just with a 2' lift & Wheels you're not be tearing the Rubi apart & rebuilding everything.(That wouldn't make any sense $$$$$). If you were, then you should buy the "X" , then buy all the goodie's(there's a ton out there) to make it a supreme wheeler. If you want great comfort & luxury , the H3 has it hands down, plus you wouldn't have any trouble wheelin considering what you want to do.
Here's a thought, ....All 3 Companies( JK, H3, & FJ) ought to get together and make (1) supreme beast( Hybrid ).....no dispute then, problem though, > all 3 of the forums would shut down(nothing to argue about) no fun then........ What the he#$ would you call the beast , maybe (Cuis-hum-Jeep) or (Jeep-Hum-Cruis) or (????????????)........

[KenP]

What the he#$ would you call the beast , maybe (Cuis-hum-Jeep) or (Jeep-Hum-Cruis) or (????????????)........Probably Ugly.:clapping:

[buy_a_legend]

Your probably right,...bad idea

[BlueTJCO]

I say go with the H3.......The JK sucks. Jeeps suck.

[buy_a_legend]

I say go with the H3.......The JK sucks. Jeeps suck.
26 yr old, WoW! your Daddy ought to smack for being on the PC withoiut him knowing it. Now go to the corner on a time out little boy ,, you don't have a enough time in life to make any comment, any decision, or anything..period. Only speak when a your elders allows you to. God boy, your still ****#$% Yellow.

[K9sH3]

I can consentrate on this thread, Ken P's icon is making my ADHD work overtime!

[ajburton13]

Ha, I'm only 25, the Jeep is looking like it's going to win, because well Hummer is slow to call me back. Has anyone here had anything bad happen to their H3, i.e. some spineless b*tch keying it, because I've heard that happens some with Hummers.

[K9sH3]

Go another Hummer dealer if the first one won't call or deal. As for the spineless biatches out there, Man I hope that doesn't happen to you, me or anyone else. I have never understood why destroy another mans property. If someone has a problem with me, come to me. Not my H3, house, wife or kids.

[K9sH3]

ok I need spell check. lol

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

All kidding aside...

If you want a GREAT ROAD VEHICLE that can do off roading in stock form get the H-3 (i'm talking totally stock here)

BUT

If you want a GREAT OFF ROAD VEHICLE that can do regular driving, altho noisy and not as smoothe as the H-3, or as polished then get the RUBI (i'm talking totally stockhere also)

RYD

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I'm guessing you don't absolutely need the removable half or full doors, removable top, electronic sway bar disconnect, sfa with front locker and full internal roll cage, or you wouldn't be asking. You'd have to go with the JK. And tho Jeep has a longer history, both brands are legends.

It sounds like both are priced right and will do what you want, so it should come down to which one fits and feels better. Test drive them both again and run them through their paces. Take them offroad if you can. Think about passing, acceleration, comfort and control placement. If you're seriously thinking about upgrading a JK-X, consider warranty issues, cost and downtime while you install and adjust them.

I have nothing bad to say about the JK ... it seems awesome. But I sure do love my 5-spd H3 adventure w/ sunroof & monsoon. Fits me ergonomically, does great on-road and is amazing offroad. Huge sunroof and sweet Monsoon mp3 sound system. Plus, the radio and hvac controls are easy to use with my gloves on and eyes on the road. Onstar is cool, with the built-in phone, vehicle diagnostics, theft locator, driving directions, and emergency services. It's safe too ... 5-star crash rating and front to rear side curtain airbags.

Good luck making up your mind ... they're both great trucks. If you can wait a year, the H3 is supposed to get a bigger engine, prob a V8.

[J6Niner]

Having had 2 Wrangler Sports (can't speak to 4 door version), I think the H3 is far superior. IMO these 2 trucks are COMPLETELY different. Maybe comperable offroad capabilities, but all other areas are no where close. Wrangler brings rougher ride and unfinished interior - and a new set of worries. I constantly worried about leaving the top down/doors off and what some idiot kid would do to the jeep. I also worried about leaving anything in the jeep bc it was so easy to break into. I don't offroad much, except for the sand on the coast of NC and can honestly say the H3 performed better than the Jeeps... Just an honest opinion, either way you shouldn't go wrong. Good Luck!

[ajburton13]

Yeah the 4 door JK's ride is much improved over older Jeeps, I had a Cherokee and drove a TJ for awhile. I think I will end up with the H3, especially with the deal I am getting GMS pricing and 0%. J6Niner, where are you in NC, I'm from Wilmington and live in Charleston now.

[J6Niner]

I hear ya on the improved ride. I had a 94 and an 02 and I am sure they have been improved upon since then. I keep seeing the 4 door at a local dealership and keep meaning to stop by and take it for a spin... Had the 4 door jeep been available when I bought the h3, I would have been making the same decision you are... You considering a hard top/soft top jeep?

I am in the RDU area at the moment. Wilmington is great, we head down there quite a bit. Never been to Charleston, hear it is awesome though. Was in Hilton Head a few weeks back - pretty sweet place also.

[R6realtor]

There both cool trucks but I really love my HUMMERS:) GO WITH THE HUMMER

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/2334/jasonh3012internetra9.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9818/jasonh3013interneten1.jpg

[ajburton13]

I'm getting dual tops if I go with the JK, I'm closer to the H3 though. Ha for some reason everyone I ask is like oh, definitely get the Jeep, people really don't like Hummers. It's kinda weird.

[buy_a_legend]

I'm getting dual tops if I go with the JK, I'm closer to the H3 though. Ha for some reason everyone I ask is like oh, definitely get the Jeep, people really don't like Hummers. It's kinda weird.

Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Wins Four Wheeler?s 2007 Four Wheeler of the Year Award LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Four Wheeler, the nation?s oldest and most prestigious four-wheel drive publication and part of PRIMEDIA?s Enthusiast Automotive Group, announced that the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon has been named the winner of its coveted Four Wheeler of the Year award for 2007.

?In a highly competitive test group, the Wrangler stood apart from the field,? Four Wheeler editor Douglas McColloch said. ?Its legendary off-pavement abilities were never in doubt, and the levels of on-road performance and comfort the new model offers are superior in every way over previous versions of this vehicle. In all, the new Wrangler marks a quantum leap forward, in both quality and utility, for this fabled brand.?

This year?s competitors included seven new sport-utility vehicles: The two-door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, the four-door Jeep Unlimited Rubicon, the Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, The Toyota FJ Cruiser, the Hummer H3, and the Kia Sorento. To qualify for competition, a vehicle must have four-wheel drive capability, equipped with a two-speed transfer case, and must be either entirely new or sport substantial mechanical revisions from a previous model year.

?The amazing level of refinement that has gone into the Wrangler has made it a comfortable daily driver and highway machine without affecting its off-pavement prowess,? Four Wheeler technical editor Sean P. Holman added. ?The new Wrangler is even better than its predecessor on the trail, and when you include highway composure, luxury appointments such as onboard navigation and power windows and door locks, and do it on a vehicle that still has the open-air character that Wranglers are known for, you have a winning combination.?

About Four Wheeler of the Year?s test procedures

Held annually since 1974, the Four Wheeler of the Year test is a week-long competition: A 1,000-mile test drive incorporating city streets and highways, rocky trails, desert dunes and washboard, gravel roads, and steep hill climbs, at elevations ranging from sea level to in excess of 7,000 feet. Vehicles are tested for quarter-mile acceleration and braking distances, and scored on empirical data such as rear-wheel horsepower, minimum ground clearance and observed fuel mileage. Other test criteria include on- and off-pavement performance, interior refinements and safety features, and exterior fit and finish. Complete test results and evaluations of all the vehicles will be available in the February 2007 issue of Four Wheeler, on sale December 26, 2006.

[J6Niner]

Kia Sorento and Chevy Tahoe/Suburban...and should I say it - Toyo FJ Cruiser...

Sounds like a great off-road vehicle test!!! All things considered, right?

[DennisAJC]

Kia Sorento and Chevy Tahoe/Suburban...and should I say it - Toyo FJ Cruiser...

Sounds like a great off-road vehicle test!!! All things considered, right?

A reality slap in the face?

[buy_a_legend]

With all due respect, none off these vehicles tested(Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, The Toyota FJ Cruiser, the Hummer H3, and the Kia Sorento)), has the credentials of a Rubi, not even close .....that was so unfair:violin:
They should of put the icing on the cake and just kicked everybody's but with the 4 door unlimited "X' or "Sahara", and that wouldn't of been a problem at all either.
Sorry, they probably have that set up for next year Jeep win........I'll check back with ya next year.

[BlueTJCO]

26 yr old, WoW! your Daddy ought to smack for being on the PC withoiut him knowing it. Now go to the corner on a time out little boy ,, you don't have a enough time in life to make any comment, any decision, or anything..period. Only speak when a your elders allows you to. God boy, your still ****#$% Yellow.

:clapping:

[J6Niner]

Ok. Do you honestly think the Heep based Magazine (Four Wheeler) would pick the Hummer from this group? Their loyal customers and readers (95% Heep Owners) who copy their articles and post on websites they have no affiliation with would no longer pay for the magazine or visit the site. Come back down to reality, boss. ONLY way to really understand which vehicle is better offroad is to quit "magazine off-roading" and hit the trails...

I am a former Jeep owner (twice) and would never rule out owning another one. The purpose of this thread is to help someone decide between a Wrangler and H3. Reason I weighed in is because I have had both. Remind us again why you chimed in, or better yet why you even have an account on this site.

Do you have a Jeep website we can visit to bash Jeeps? Just curious.

[Wisha Haddan H3]

With all due respect, none off these vehicles tested(Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, The Toyota FJ Cruiser, the Hummer H3, and the Kia Sorento)), has the credentials of a Rubi, not even close .....that was so unfair:violin:
They should of put the icing on the cake and just kicked everybody's but with the 4 door unlimited "X' or "Sahara", and that wouldn't of been a problem at all either.
Sorry, they probably have that set up for next year Jeep win........I'll check back with ya next year.

:lame:

Doesn't say much that the only compact 4x4 in the group beat all the midsize and fullsize rigs in the offroad tests. It's only the smallest, lightest, most agile rig in the bunch.

I like the JK a lot and don't care if the Ultd beats the H3, but let's compare apples to apples. Compare the 2007 midsize JK Ultd, FJ, H3 and Sorento (with best offroad options each) and you'll have a meaningful test.

Can't wait to see the full report, vehicle specs as tested and individual scores.

[Desert Dan]

Try the link
http://shows.autospies.com/gallery/a...3&galleryId=44 (http://shows.autospies.com/gallery/auto-show-photos.asp?imageId=30943&galleryId=44)

[Huck BB62]

Looks like it took Jeep a few years to figure out what people wanted eh? It looks like they benchmarked off of our wildly popular H3 if you ask me. Nothing wrong with that, but hardly original.

I'd like to see what people think after living with the new Jeep for awhile. How's the mileage? How's the noise level? How is the handling on the road? Then, after THOSE things are evaluated, to me at least, is it's offroadability. Any one of us could bolt together a trail rig that would make any Jeep or H3 look silly, but the rest of it?

I think the new Jeep is great, let's just wait and see how they do in the real world.

[NEOCON1]

most my heeper buddies are already laughin at em:giggling:

[BLACKLOCK]

I was also comparing the H3 with the JK. I have previously owned a TJ. I am lookin at going bigger. I have read nothing but good things on the JK unlimited. On the jeep forums some current jeep owners like them some hate them and cant accept change just like some H1 owners cant accept the H3. The rubicon seems better for offroading stock but on the street the H3 would be better ride quality and have leather. The Jk is avialable with all the same options other than leather but also has a removeable top and doors.

Here in ST. louis, the H3 is known as the SUV for the soccer mom whos husband cant afford an H2. The jeep is known as offroading fun vehicle with poor gas mileage and rough ride. For me I am leaning toward the Jk, as I would rather have a fun vehicle with removeable top and doors and not have to worry if they kid spills something in the interior, just pull the carpet, and hose it out. If dont plan on going off road much and want luxury and you have low self esteem and need attention get the H3!

[geeroy10]

If dont plan on going off road much and want luxury and you have low self esteem and need attention get the H3!

:lame:

[RazM]

I was also comparing the H3 with the JK. I have previously owned a TJ. I am lookin at going bigger. I have read nothing but good things on the JK unlimited. On the jeep forums some current jeep owners like them some hate them and cant accept change just like some H1 owners cant accept the H3. The rubicon seems better for offroading stock but on the street the H3 would be better ride quality and have leather. The Jk is avialable with all the same options other than leather but also has a removeable top and doors.

Here in ST. louis, the H3 is known as the SUV for the soccer mom whos husband cant afford an H2. The jeep is known as offroading fun vehicle with poor gas mileage and rough ride. For me I am leaning toward the Jk, as I would rather have a fun vehicle with removeable top and doors and not have to worry if they kid spills something in the interior, just pull the carpet, and hose it out. If dont plan on going off road much and want luxury and you have low self esteem and need attention get the H3!

You're so witty! Your boyfriend really must love that quality in you. :lame:

[ROADNOTCA]

I can consentrate on this thread, Ken P's icon is making my ADHD work overtime!Same here, and I'll bet she's smarter than Hillary Clinton too.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

I saw a new JK 4 door at Paragon today. Too bad it just sat in the parking lot and didn't come out with us... :(

[buy_a_legend]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061110/def015.html?.v=60:perfect10s:

[h2co-pilot]

I hope it's not a repost, I didn't see it on this thread.

2007 4dr Rubi and 2007 H3 comparison

[h2co-pilot]

.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

.

and the point is...

[h2co-pilot]

and the point is...

The thread title is JK vs. H3. ;)

[PARAGON]

and the point is... the point is the JK beats the H3, hands down, if you are looking at only stats.

The JK smokes the H3 offroad in Rubi form and likely beats the H2 as well. Lockers front/rear. SFA. Front anti-sway push-button disconnect, lighter, better angles, HUGE aftermarket support, etc, all puts the JK in position as the better wheeling machine.

Hummer needs to add "extra" additions that beef up the current lineup that mimicks the Rubi idea. The forever discussed Alpha versions that SHOULD be more tailored to the trail and not the street.

[HummerNewbie]

Hummer needs to add "extra" additions that beef up the current lineup that mimicks the Rubi idea. The forever discussed Alpha versions that SHOULD be more tailored to the trail and not the street.

I sure hope that they do :iagree:

I could really care less about the whole mine is better than your but do think it is funny when the comparison stats used are a Rubi versus a Base H3 :twak: ;)

If I was only buying based on what would be the all around best off road vehicle, maybe I wouldn't have gone with the H3 but considering I don't spend even 10% of my seat time off road, the H3 was the easy choice.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I sure hope that they do :iagree:

I could really care less about the whole mine is better than your but do think it is funny when the comparison stats used are a Rubi versus a Base H3 :twak: ;)



If I was only buying based on what would be the all around best off road vehicle, maybe I wouldn't have gone with the H3 but considering I don't spend even 10% of my seat time off road, the H3 was the easy choice.

NEWBIE

Change your name...

With over 6000 posts you really need to alter it

LOL


RYD

[HummerNewbie]

NEWBIE

Change your name...

With over 6000 posts you really need to alter it

LOL


RYD

Yeah, been thinking about that:giggling:

[deserth3]

Seems like it's missing a few items...
Stabilitrac
Antilock breaks (though I could have missed this somewhere)
Power locks,windows,ect. On the jeep it's an option
Sirious radio is an option on the jeep
The hard top is an option on the jeep.

In other words I'm not impressed with the Rubicon. The comparison left a few things out to make the jeep look better.

[Rutdogg]

I can't even believe we are having this debate! Who in their right mind would choose a Jeep (Of which the world is already overpopulated with) over a Hummer H3? Both vehicles will get you there on or off the road, but the H3 gets more attention, is more comfortable, and looks cooler than a tired old Jeep. Those of you who say buy the Jeep shouldn't even be on this forum!

[buy_a_legend]

I can't even believe we are having this debate! Who in their right mind would choose a Jeep (Of which the world is already overpopulated with) over a Hummer H3? Both vehicles will get you there on or off the road, but the H3 gets more attention, is more comfortable, and looks cooler than a tired old Jeep. Those of you who say buy the Jeep shouldn't even be on this forum!
Youngster, don't tell me what forum to be on,....
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061110/def015.html?.v=60

[J6Niner]

Speaking of the highly coveted "4-Wheel & Off-Road's 2007 4x4 of the Year" award that 'buy_a_legend' speaks of...

Guess what won the same award in 2003..............a Lexus.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/2003/129_0302_2003_four_wheeler_of_the_year/2003_lexus_gx_470_winner.html

[buy_a_legend]

Please kid, born in 1980 and trying to figure things out and pretend you have your manhood paper's(those invisible one's that you carry in your pocket) that you earn in life.....I don't thing so. Surely you have some grownup's or Vietnam Vet's on this forum.....then I'll listen to what you say. Semper Fi....
Ok,..once again....can't you read...
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061110/def015.html?.v=60

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Please kid, born in 1980 and trying to figure things out and pretend you have your manhood paper's(those invisible one's that you carry in your pocket) that you earn in life.....I don't thing so. Surely you have some grownup's or Vietnam Vet's on this forum.....then I'll listen to what you say. Semper Fi....
Ok,..once again....can't you read...
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061110/def015.html?.v=60

June 1965 to June 1969

AND

One of many things I learned in the U. S. Military was

DON'T STICK YOUR NOSE WHERE IT DON'T BELONG...

I believe that was taught in all the services, ARMY, NAVY, MARINE CORP, COAST GUARD & AIR FORCE...

SO

The question is why are you posting here?

RYD

[jp's-h3]

I can't even believe we are having this debate! Who in their right mind would choose a Jeep (Of which the world is already overpopulated with) over a Hummer H3? Both vehicles will get you there on or off the road, but the H3 gets more attention, is more comfortable, and looks cooler than a tired old Jeep. Those of you who say buy the Jeep shouldn't even be on this forum!

:iagree: X :perfect10s:

[Wisha Haddan H3]

I could really care less about the whole mine is better than your but do think it is funny when the comparison stats used are a Rubi versus a Base H3 :twak: ;)

Sucks but they all do that. When I was checking out the FJ Cruiser, all their comparisons were between fully optioned FJs and base H3s (no options). When I brought this up, the salesguy closed the chart and said I obviously knew more than the chart and was I really interested in the FJ or not? I just thanked him for his time and left. lol

If I was only buying based on what would be the all around best off road vehicle, maybe I wouldn't have gone with the H3 but considering I don't spend even 10% of my seat time off road, the H3 was the easy choice.

x2 - only the JK Rubi Ultd beats the H3 if my book ... and only offroad. The H3 wins in comfort, interior styling, sound system, road noise, etc.

[RazM]

June 1965 to June 1969

AND

One of many things I learned in the U. S. Military was

DON'T STICK YOUR NOSE WHERE IT DON'T BELONG...

I believe that was taught in all the services, ARMY, NAVY, MARINE CORP, COAST GUARD & AIR FORCE...

SO

The question is why are you posting here?

RYD

:OWNED:
:beerchug:

[buy_a_legend]

:OWNED:
:beerchug:
I expected to see little Icon remarks by children,..just what I got.
Now, you say owned, wrong little boy.

RubHer Yellow Ducky, because you are Vietnam Vet I'll respect you this time and answer. I answered the young man's question at the beginning?, buy the real deal not a counterfeit, didn't want him to make the mistake not buy the original.

Now, why am I in here,>> well Vet, what I've been though, I go where I want, I sit where I want, I look where I want, I say what I want, I pretty well do anything I please.
Now that I answered your question this time, The only people I'll give an answer to is a Vietnam Vet with more than 2 or mores Purple's. See, I even set the pecking order that I'll give an answer to.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I expected to see little Icon remarks by children,..just what I got.
Now, you say owned, wrong little boy.

RubHer Yellow Ducky, because you are Vietnam Vet I'll respect you this time and answer. I answered the young man's question at the beginning?, buy the real deal not a counterfeit, didn't want him to make the mistake not buy the original.

Now, why am I in here,>> well Vet, what I've been though, I go where I want, I sit where I want, I look where I want, I say what I want, I pretty well do anything I please.
Now that I answered your question this time, The only people I'll give an answer to is a Vietnam Vet with more than 2 or mores Purple's. See, I even set the pecking order that I'll give an answer to.

I SALUTE you and the PURPLES...

I was lucky and managed to stay out of someones SITES, and little pieces of metal and sharp pieces of bamboo...

:beerchug: RYD

[Mr. I - Man]

I expected to see little Icon remarks by children,..just what I got.
Now, you say owned, wrong little boy.

RubHer Yellow Ducky, because you are Vietnam Vet I'll respect you this time and answer. I answered the young man's question at the beginning?, buy the real deal not a counterfeit, didn't want him to make the mistake not buy the original.

Now, why am I in here,>> well Vet, what I've been though, I go where I want, I sit where I want, I look where I want, I say what I want, I pretty well do anything I please.
Now that I answered your question this time, The only people I'll give an answer to is a Vietnam Vet with more than 2 or mores Purple's. See, I even set the pecking order that I'll give an answer to.

2 or more Purples without any other accomodations to go along with them. Just means you are an easy target and a sick bay commando.

The way you walked in here spouting you mouth off its easy to see how you earned your purples, probably by walking aimlessly right into the line fire.
Go hang with John Kerry I sure he digs you Jeep guy's and you guys can show each other your Purples.

SEMPER FI

[KenP]

Go hang with John Kerry I sure he digs you Jeep guy's and you guys can show each other your Purples.That's ghey!!!!:giggling:

[Mr. I - Man]

That's ghey!!!!:giggling:

X2 :D :D

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

What we all think about a jeep person here is correct, doesn't belong!!!!!

BUT

IF YOUR NOT A U. S. MILITARY VETERAN, any service, any time, any location, with a HONORABLE DISCHARGE

watch your tongue ! That person (man or woman) Put their life on the line for YOU and they deserve respect...

RYD

[H3Hopeful]

Sure is a lot of Testerone on here today :) I was sitting on the fence as well as the original poster. I love the looks of the H3, I was all set to buy an H3 and my wife wanted to wait and check out the JK unlimited. Long story short, we ended up with a JK unlimited Rubi b/c of the removable tops. That doesn't change the fact that a H3 still turns my head and I love the styling/looks of the hummer lineup. I like the JK as well. I don't think it's so much about this being better than that, they all have their pros/cons, so much as your personal preference. I still want an H3. I think if they ever get around to releasing an Alpha LWB H3 pickup truck that could haul my freaking boat around, I would be right there and replacing the Chevy Tahoe that currently does so well at the grocery getting and boat hauling.
That said, the JK is fun to drive, but it suffers from the same problem as the H3, not enough ooommpphhh in the engine dept in my opinion. It does ok, but still it feels sluggish on the hwy. This is all pretty much common news. I was kind of suprised w/ my gas mileage so far, I am averaging around 18/19 tank on a mostly highway miles commute of 75miles/day. There are a lot of places where the JK could be improved quality wise and fit/finish wise, and I think that one of the other posters hit the nail on the head, the JK unlimited is totally designed to compete with and steal away some of those H3 sales, same thing with the FJ. Now, the big question is, what will Hummer due to up the ante, the balls in their court so to speak. . .

[buy_a_legend]

2 or more Purples without any other accomodations to go along with them. Just means you are an easy target and a sick bay commando.

The way you walked in here spouting you mouth off its easy to see how you earned your purples, probably by walking aimlessly right into the line fire.
Go hang with John Kerry I sure he digs you Jeep guy's and you guys can show each other your Purples.

SEMPER FI
You made an A$$ out of yourself,...you young(non-combat)BOOT. I'm gone now(Rubher Yellow Ducky)......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/nam676869/album_pic.jpg

[HummerNewbie]

What we all think about a jeep person here is correct, doesn't belong!!!!!

BUT

IF YOUR NOT A U. S. MILITARY VETERAN, any service, any time, any location, with a HONORABLE DISCHARGE

watch your tongue ! That person (man or woman) Put their life on the line for YOU and they deserve respect...

RYD

I have to agree and disagree with you here RYD. I agree that somebody that has served our country and received an honorable discharge deserves respect and appreciation for that. At the same time it doesn't mean that they deserve respect in general. If somebody acts like a jackass then that is how they deserved to be treats. The above post about only answering people with 2 purple hearts is something that only a jackass (or AE) that thinks he is better than others would say :rolleyes:

[h2co-pilot]

I have to agree and disagree with you here RYD. I agree that somebody that has served our country and received an honorable discharge deserves respect and appreciation for that. At the same time it doesn't mean that they deserve respect in general. If somebody acts like a jackass then that is how they deserved to be treats. The above post about only answering people with 2 purple hearts is something that only a jackass (or AE) that thinks he is better than others would say :rolleyes:

I kinda have to agree. It's kinda weird to pull rank on a truck forum or in a debate that has nothing to do with the facts or matter at hand.

But- I am a stay at home mom and so...... gfy's.;):fdance:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I kinda have to agree. It's kinda weird to pull rank on a truck forum or in a debate that has nothing to do with the facts or matter at hand.

But- I am a stay at home mom and so...... gfy's.;):fdance:

And you deserve a lot of credit and respect for that ...

RYD

[h2co-pilot]

And you deserve a lot of credit and respect for that ...

RYD

I was halfway kidding but thanks.

So now you will listen to me when I say that the JK is better?:fdance: And I am speaking to every straight white male that hasn't served because you know you are everyone's problem.;)

Sweet.:D

Remember, lots of nose blowing and sh1t wiping going on over here. I am sacrificing my time so that there will't be another trench coat wearing, facial jewelry adorning, welfare riding schmuck running around.....:giggling:

[Mr. I - Man]

You made an A$$ out of yourself,...you young(non-combat)BOOT. I'm gone now(Rubher Yellow Ducky)......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/nam676869/album_pic.jpg

You came in here bragging about two purples. The NAM w/ the combat V is way more impressive(much respect). Watch who you calling a boot old man or a boot might find its way crammed up your non-Grunt a$$.:crying:

BTW The is a Hummer message board not a VFW hall. I have much respect for veterans being one myself, But the chest thumping I've been there done that got the T-shirt crap is a bit childish or a you would call it boot behavior. You seem very stuck on this part of your life, but what have you done since Nam??? We can talk trucks,Jeeps and Hummers all day, but please don't pull the rank sh*t especially only as a Sergeant. That is all
Semper Fi

[Mr. I - Man]

I kinda have to agree. It's kinda weird to pull rank on a truck forum or in a debate that has nothing to do with the facts or matter at hand.

But- I am a stay at home mom and so...... gfy's.;):fdance:

That job scares the sh*t out of me. Rather take my chances on the front line:eek:

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

I was halfway kidding but thanks.

So now you will listen to me when I say that the JK is better?:fdance: And I am speaking to every straight white male that hasn't served because you know you are everyone's problem.;)

Sweet.:D

Remember, lots of nose blowing and sh1t wiping going on over here. I am sacrificing my time so that there will't be another trench coat wearing, facial jewelry adorning, welfare riding schmuck running around.....:giggling:

G_D, Mom, Apple Pie, The U. S. of A, Veterans, Daughters and :beerchug: ...

RYD

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

That job scares the sh*t out of me. Rather take my chances on the front line:eek:

Try it behind the front lines...

RYD

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

You came in here bragging about two purples. The NAM w/ the combat V is way more impressive(much respect). Watch who you calling a boot old man or a boot might find its way crammed up your non-Grunt a$$.:crying:

BTW The is a Hummer message board not a VFW hall. I have much respect for veterans being one myself, But the chest thumping I've been there done that got the T-shirt crap is a bit childish or a you would call it boot behavior. You seem very stuck on this part of your life, but what have you done since Nam??? We can talk trucks,Jeeps and Hummers all day, but please don't pull the rank sh*t especially only as a Sergeant. That is all
Semper Fi

Hes gone...

Back to the regular grill.

RYD

[Xof in H3]

Guys! how can you compare a jeep with a Hummer!!! it's like if you say you prefer a movie with John Wayne vs Schwarzy!!! Different generation, different style!

And to me, it looks like when a guy come to explain he has a bigger ... whatever than you, he is not so confident about it!

[PARAGON]

You came in here bragging about two purples. The NAM w/ the combat V is way more impressive(much respect). Watch who you calling a boot old man or a boot might find its way crammed up your non-Grunt a$$.:crying:

BTW The is a Hummer message board not a VFW hall. I have much respect for veterans being one myself, But the chest thumping I've been there done that got the T-shirt crap is a bit childish or a you would call it boot behavior. You seem very stuck on this part of your life, but what have you done since Nam??? We can talk trucks,Jeeps and Hummers all day, but please don't pull the rank sh*t especially only as a Sergeant. That is all
Semper FiOOH-RAH!

Respect begets respect. Show little and get little regardless of and most especially if you have "done something". Marine or not.

Besides, since when does your X model JK come close to the H3. Is it even 4wd or did you get the 2wd model. With the X or Sahara, you might as well have the IFS that the H3 has since you'll be snapping that weak D30 all the time. That IS IF you got the 4wd.

[BlueHUMMERH2]

Looked at the new JK lineup last night. From the standpoint of everyday ease of use, comfort, and quality, forget it. Go with an H3. I haven't been in what felt more like a tin can since I rode in my friends Hyundai. The doors were like paper, and the back seat was pretty clausterphobic, especially with a giant speaker in your face hanging from the crossmember between the b-pillars. It might be the greatest Jeep ever, but it's got a long way to go to match the H3 as the best all-around 4-wheeler. If this is the best they've got, I hate to think about what the old Wranglers were like. No wonder they're usually trailered in/out. I wouldn't want to drive it on the highway either!

[PARAGON]

Looked at the new JK lineup last night. From the standpoint of everyday ease of use, comfort, and quality, forget it. Go with an H3. I haven't been in what felt more like a tin can since I rode in my friends Hyundai. The doors were like paper, and the back seat was pretty clausterphobic, especially with a giant speaker in your face hanging from the crossmember between the b-pillars. It might be the greatest Jeep ever, but it's got a long way to go to match the H3 as the best all-around 4-wheeler. If this is the best they've got, I hate to think about what the old Wranglers were like. No wonder they're usually trailered in/out. I wouldn't want to drive it on the highway either!so, what does that make for rear seat room in the H3?:confused:

since it's smaller

Makes a pretty stupid and weak argument.

thank you for your deeply insightful and completely erroneous viewpoint. It will, in no way, sway any reader's opinion on either vehicle and has simply wasted electricity by moving electrons to post it and transmit it as data.

[KenP]

I like wasting electrons.:shhh:

The interior is not as plush as the 3's, no question about that. I found the ride comparable to the 3.

There's MORE rear seat room in the JK. More headroom, legroom and hiproom. What may be throwing you off is the back of the rear seat. It's angle is more verticle then on the 3 and thus, IMO, not as comfortable as the 3.

Front and rear lockers, unbelievable approach and departure angles, more clearance, longer wheelbase... The JK is the best "out of the box" 4x4 on the market. It's not the best 4x4 to take on trips and to the mall. It's not nearly comfortable enough.

I've said it before, the JK will outperform the 3 and 2 stock vs stock. That's just the way it is. And a lifted JK is going to kill a similarly prepped 2/3.

But yeah, it's not as plush and comfy.

[HummerNewbie]

Front and rear lockers, unbelievable approach and departure angles, more clearance, longer wheelbase... The JK is the best "out of the box" 4x4 on the market.

I have said it before and will say it again, I don't really care which is the best out of the box wheeler, since well over 90% of my seat time is on the road the H3 is the best fit for me. I was thinking earlier today about this debate as I sat behind a new JK. When comparing base vs base, which is better? Just curious because most of the comparisons that I see are a Rubi against an H3. I understand the Rubi is an incredible wheeler out of the box but what about the rest of the models? I realize they can be modded easier but that is not what we are talking about here either. Not trying to stir the pot, just curious.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

This thread is going on 6 months...

The H-4 will be out soon.

let this die already.....

RYD

[HummerNewbie]

This thread is going on 6 months...

The H-4 will be out soon.

let this die already.....

RYD

You do realize that you just added to it right? ;)

[PARAGON]

I'm old, 'crepid and offer nothing,

let me die already.....

RYDfisted for ya, tis nice being on the ignore

[KenP]

I have said it before and will say it again, I don't really care which is the best out of the box wheeler, since well over 90% of my seat time is on the road the H3 is the best fit for me. I was thinking earlier today about this debate as I sat behind a new JK. When comparing base vs base, which is better? Just curious because most of the comparisons that I see are a Rubi against an H3. I understand the Rubi is an incredible wheeler out of the box but what about the rest of the models? I realize they can be modded easier but that is not what we are talking about here either. Not trying to stir the pot, just curious.You bought the right truck for yourself, there's no doubt about that. I'd get an H3 also, if comparing, if I spent so much time tooling around in it, but I don't.

The SFA is stronger than the Hummer IFS so the base vs base should theoretically tip toward the JK. It's also lighter and has more ground clearance.

But, as stated before, the JK is not nearly as polished on the interior as the 3.

[PARAGON]

I have said it before and will say it again, I don't really care which is the best out of the box wheeler, since well over 90% of my seat time is on the road the H3 is the best fit for me. I was thinking earlier today about this debate as I sat behind a new JK. When comparing base vs base, which is better? Just curious because most of the comparisons that I see are a Rubi against an H3. I understand the Rubi is an incredible wheeler out of the box but what about the rest of the models? I realize they can be modded easier but that is not what we are talking about here either. Not trying to stir the pot, just curious.Take the Rubi out and it's much, much harder to draw a conclusion on wheeling. I think the H3 would be a much better peformer.

Without the stabi-disco, the reliability of the D44s, the better t-case, f/r lockers, etc of the Rubi, the Sahara and the X just don't cut the mustard offroad, IMO.

[PARAGON]

You bought the right truck for yourself, there's no doubt about that. I'd get an H3 also, if comparing, if I spent so much time tooling around in it, but I don't.

The SFA is stronger than the Hummer IFS so the base vs base should theoretically tip toward the JK. It's also lighter and has more ground clearance.

But, as stated before, the JK is not nearly as polished on the interior as the 3.Yeah but you couldn't keep those axles under the JK doing anything remotely difficult. They're tiny and would be snapping way too often.

Also, IMO, without being about to disco the front, the SFA isn't all that much better than the IFS.

[KenP]

Remember the 44s, t-case, diffs, and trans are beefier internally than the prior years.

[timgco]

The JK and the H3 both suck! :fdance: :jump:

The Fj is way better

[PARAGON]

Remember the 44s, t-case, diffs, and trans are beefier internally than the prior years.that's on the rubi

Sahara and X has D30 and D35 and different T-case

[Jeff G]

The JK and the H3 both suck! :fdance: :jump:

The Fj is way better

:jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump:

[HummerNewbie]

I'd get an H3 also, if comparing, if I spent so much time tooling around in it, but I don't.

What you trying to say here :twak: ;)

[HummerNewbie]

Take the Rubi out and it's much, much harder to draw a conclusion on wheeling.

That is what I figured. Again, not trying to stir the pot or say mine is better than yours but just curious. I just hope that Hummer comes out with something soon that is truly a top contender against the likes of a Rubi when talking strictly off road.

[KenP]

What you trying to say here :twak: ;)We don't drive our 2 very much, so everyday driving is irrelavent. Should have been more clear.:D

[KenP]

that's on the rubi

Sahara and X has D30 and D35 and different T-caseOh yeah... brain freeze.

They suck.:giggling:

[PARAGON]

That is what I figured. Again, not trying to stir the pot or say mine is better than yours but just curious. I just hope that Hummer comes out with something soon that is truly a top contender against the likes of a Rubi when talking strictly off road.The problem with Hummer right now, is not only does it not offer an ultimate off-roader in stock form. What it does offer is a pain in the ass to modify to make it perform. They also don't go to the lengths that Toyota and Jeep did to push the vehicle pre-production to get the aftermarket ready for the vehicle so that it could be done. Well, except for the bling side.

[HummBebe]

FZJ80 > than ALL!

[KenP]

FZJ80 > than ALL!:jump: :giggling: :jump:

[CO Hummer]

The problem with Hummer right now, is not only does it not offer an ultimate off-roader in stock form. What it does offer is a pain in the ass to modify to make it perform. They also don't go to the lengths that Toyota and Jeep did to push the vehicle pre-production to get the aftermarket ready for the vehicle so that it could be done. Well, except for the bling side.

What? C'mon man. Real men make their own stuff. ;) :D

[KenP]

What? C'mon man. Real men make their own stuff. Just look at what I made last week!:D How about a color pic of the final product.
http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/godey/images/glb1-57dip.jpeg

[BlueHUMMERH2]

How about a color pic of the final product.
http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/godey/images/glb1-57dip.jpeg
:jump::jump:

I realize the numbers are bigger for JK rear room and whatnot, but when you actually hop in there, it doesn't seem like it. It's also harder to get in and out of the back seat. But for close to $30K on a Rubi Unlimited, the interior is just a POS.

I can see why it has more cargo room, and the answer lies in that it's covered in a paper thin shell vs. all the extra trim/sheet metal on the H3. I did like the amount of room with all the seats folded though.

On the upside, the tires cost a lot less to replace.... :dancingbanana:

[Steve - SanJose]

Nice dress, I think.

[PARAGON]

:jump::jump:

I realize the numbers are bigger for JK rear room and whatnot, but when you actually hop in there, it doesn't seem like it. It's also harder to get in and out of the back seat. But for close to $30K on a Rubi Unlimited, the interior is just a POS.

I can see why it has more cargo room, and the answer lies in that it's covered in a paper thin shell vs. all the extra trim/sheet metal on the H3. I did like the amount of room with all the seats folded though.

On the upside, the tires cost a lot less to replace.... :dancingbanana:you are a ****ing weirdo

[h2co-pilot]

HaHa, you're the one with the monkey anus avatar.:D:D

DIE THREAD! DIE!

http://www.adventurepostoffice.com/cards/thoughts/th111.jpg

[BlueHUMMERH2]

HaHa, you're the one with the monkey anus avatar.:D:D



:D :giggling:

[PARAGON]

HaHa, you're the one with the monkey anus avatar.Though, I am not the one with a feather duster posed next to my dick in a picture I posted on the internet.:confused:

[NEOCON1]

FZJ80 > than ALL!

http://www.moabtradingpost.org/adventure/burning-daylight.php
Hum Hum !!!! this what im talkin bout ;) you silly hummer - jeepers :p :beerchug: :jump:

[mudderducker]

http://www.moabtradingpost.org/adventure/burning-daylight.php
Hum Hum !!!! this what im talkin bout ;) you silly hummer - jeepers :p

I scanned quickly, but did not see anything about either vehicle. and I'm yer bro here. but seriously, I am thinking about trading in my wifes bmw for the new jk. really because it has every imaginable aftermarket goody (and cheap) that would make it the perfect wheeling 4wd. no, it is not a hummer, and nowhere near the comfort. but it has promise for being a straight offroad/hunting vehicle. I would drive my hummer to the ranch to to drive the jeep.

and this is from a Land Rover convert, turned h3 diehard. and I have bashed jeep drivers just like I bashed trans-am drivers. I believe this is the first 'off the shelf' jeep "SUV" that is worthy of TX mud and can carry five Texas fat boys to shoot some ****.

[PARAGON]

I scanned quickly, but did not see anything about either vehicle. and I'm yer bro here. but seriously, I am thinking about trading in my wifes bmw for the new jk. really because it has every imaginable aftermarket goody (and cheap) that would make it the perfect wheeling 4wd. no, it is not a hummer, and nowhere near the comfort. but it has promise for being a straight offroad/hunting vehicle. I would drive my hummer to the ranch to to drive the jeep.

and this is from a Land Rover convert, turned h3 diehard. and I have bashed jeep drivers just like I bashed trans-am drivers. I believe this is the first 'off the shelf' jeep "SUV" that is worthy of TX mud and can carry five Texas fat boys to shoot some ****.the least you could do is invite some fellow elcova hummer buds to some duck hunting over there.

[H3.007]

Admittedly, I have not driven the JK. But I have passed and parked by enough of them to say this -

*WAYYYYY UGLY* :fdance:

And to think I considered buying one in the beginning, based upon their legendary ancestor :crying:

[mudderducker]

the least you could do is invite some fellow elcova hummer buds to some duck hunting over there.

if you are ever headed this way, look me up. there are atleast two ducks in TX :D

[PARAGON]

if you are ever headed this way, look me up. there are atleast two ducks in TX :Dwe are loaded up, but I don't have anywhere to hunt anymore

[champipple]

I just go rid of a "Heep GC", glad I did, replaced rotors on that pile every year, not too mention the long term durability of special parts as the stealer calls them, i.e. control modules that go bad frequently to the the tune of $1500! Let me look back on my experiece with the almighty "veryhokee".
6,000 [bought it new] ring and pinion goes tits up, 2 fuel pumps by 15,000. Shall I go on???

get the hummer.

[o [][][][][][][]o]

[mudderducker]

we are loaded up, but I don't have anywhere to hunt anymore

where are you?

[PARAGON]

where are you?MS

[Huck BB62]

Y'know what? Jeep COULD'VE hit a home run with the four door Wrangler. All they had to do is use the drive train from the Power Wagon. Hell, with the Hemi, the front and rear solid axles with lockers, winch, skids, etc. I'D buy one! But no, they did what they did.

Read the latest Consumer Reports, they weren't kind to the JK, OR the FJ.

[PARAGON]

Y'know what? Jeep COULD'VE hit a home run with the four door Wrangler. All they had to do is use the drive train from the Power Wagon. Hell, with the Hemi, the front and rear solid axles with lockers, winch, skids, etc. I'D buy one! But no, they did what they did.

Read the latest Consumer Reports, they weren't kind to the JK, OR the FJ.No.

[KenP]

After thinking about this alot, I'd have to go with the FJ. Just look at how well it does in the snow:

Awesome on ice and snow. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKvPENJCjCo)

[BlueHUMMERH2]

After thinking about this alot, I'd have to go with the FJ. Just look at how well it does in the snow:

Awesome on ice and snow. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKvPENJCjCo)

BWAHAHAHA!

"Don't worry, you're nowhere near the tipping angle"

That was the most impressive show of snow handling ability I've seen from any vehicle, ever, hands down. :jump: :jump: :dancingbanana: :giggling: ;) :shhh:

[H3 Hummer]

I believe the H3 rims have something that will allow you to manually air down the tires to 15 PSI or lower (without worrying about the bead) Is this true for the H3? I wonder about the JK?

Is this really something inovative or can basically any rim do this?

Another question, I read the JK can only use 35 inch tires with a 2.5 inch lift kit or more plus back spacing. I am not worried about the lift but the back spacing I would worry about. Is this true?

[Huck BB62]

I'd be more worried about the lift than the backspacing. We've all seen the results of a lifted Jeep when it gets sideways!;)

[RedRockDave]

With ALL DUE RESPECT buy the jeep. Leave the the H-3 for us OLDER People because we need the Quiet Leather Interior, the Wonderful Sound System, the Good Looking Vehicle, The Power Windows, The Cruise Control, the Power Seats, The Look and Endearment of All those Good Lookin Women as we drive by, the Good Fuel Mileage, the Great Off Road Experience, the Envey of Most of the Driving Public...

ALL IN A SINGLE VEHICLE

again with all due respect

RYD

Sorry buddy... but those things can be found in the JK now... I love my Heated Leather seats, great Karmon sound system with navigation, power windows/locks and cruise control - and better ground clearance... Oh... and don't even get me started on when I put the top down... But, don't worry.. we don't discriminate ... Much - I would pull over and help you out of the ditch :)

David

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

lets see...

answering a 10 month old response...


my suggestion to you is to inhale methane for a few days !

[Yetti]

I don't know how I missed this thread. I would just like to add that I have driven the JK...I wasn't super impressed. I have also crashed the JK. it did well. I only hope the Hummers crash equally as well

[n5bxp]

One thing to consider.

Last month my wife and I drove our 07 H3 with adventure package to Moab from Houston. It was as comfortable as our Chevy Tahoe. It was a 2700 mile round trip.

When we got to Moab, we did really well on the trails.

Is it as capable as a Rubicon at Moab? No, but almost.

Would I want to drive a Rubicon on a 2700 mile round trip? I don't think so. I would be crippled and deaf. I have friends who complain about how uncomfortable the Jeep is in driving around in Houston traffic.

The H3 is a better all around vehicle. The H3 with the adventure package exceeds my off road abilites. Just my 2 cents.

[wpage]

Unless you are spending most of your vehicle time off road. The H3 is superior overall. The H3 offers a better blend of creature comforts combined with ability in the field....:)

[evldave]

My wife has a JK I have an H3. She always wants to drive the H3, I always want to drive the JK. They are both equally fun/exciting to drive. Why not just have the best of both worlds and buy one of each??