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HummerB
01-24-2006, 02:01 PM
What are the exact upgrades, besides the 33 in tires and underbody protection?

HummerB
01-24-2006, 02:01 PM
What are the exact upgrades, besides the 33 in tires and underbody protection?

HummerB
01-24-2006, 04:45 PM
by the way i did a search but the answers i found are a bit inconclusive. I understand the rear locker, 33 tire upgrade, and underbody protection come with the adv. package. Is this the only difference?

evomind
01-24-2006, 05:47 PM
i believe the shocks are different too

HummerNewbie
01-24-2006, 06:07 PM
I believe they go into more detail at Hummer.com but not sure.

DarthKarl
01-24-2006, 06:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerB:
underbody protection come with the adv. package. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The underbody protection kit is a separate accessory apart from the adventure package. I don’t think there is any additional undercarriage protection that comes with the adventure over the plain Lux and base versions.

Hummer Guy
01-24-2006, 06:22 PM
The undercarriage protection on the adv. is no different from the base. The shocks are tuned to be more stiff and give a more responisve feel when off-roading. Personally, I can't tell much of a difference in ride quality.

UNOMYFLO
01-24-2006, 06:34 PM
The adventure package comes as follows:

1) 33" tires
2) 4.56 gear ratio (probbaly due to the larger tire killing the stock gear setup) Plus more offroad ability gearing wise.
3) stiffer suspension and shocks.
4) different (lower) gearing in the transfer case.

IMO a must if you are purchasing a HUMMER.

I didnt care about the leather or the monsoon radio upgrade as I already added a rear sub by Infinity which IMO is more durable and has better base than the monsoon.

To add the tires later to a non 4:56 geared H3 makes the off the line launches poor gearing wise as well as the cost. To add different gears in the front and rear end would cost a fortune, as well as changing the gearing in the transfer case. the 3grand option give you a lot for your money.

Hope this helps.

and no the adventure package comes with the same front aluminum skid plate and the wimpy transfer case skid. The undercarriage protection is well worth the cash I have it and it is stout, along with the rocker protection you are good to go for any trails w/o the fear of coming doen on a rock and busting you tranny or t-case up.

UNO

UNOMYFLO
01-24-2006, 06:37 PM
I almost forgot it also gives you the dash actuated (by button) rear locker...again a lot of bang for the buck.

If you added up the cost of all the parts plus labor there is no way you could get even the parts for 3 grand.

Steve - SanJose
01-24-2006, 07:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UNOMYFLO:
The adventure package comes as follows:

1) 33" tires
2) 4.56 gear ratio (probbaly due to the larger tire killing the stock gear setup) Plus more offroad ability gearing wise.
3) stiffer suspension and shocks.
4) different (lower) gearing in the transfer case.


UNO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think all H3's have the 4.56 rear end ratio, only the granny gear ratio is different between base and adventure setups.


S.

fourfourto
01-24-2006, 07:31 PM
You also get carpeted mats and you get a left rear compartment unless you have the monsoon stereo.

f5fstop
01-24-2006, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Steve-SanJose-H3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UNOMYFLO:
The adventure package comes as follows:

1) 33" tires
2) 4.56 gear ratio (probbaly due to the larger tire killing the stock gear setup) Plus more offroad ability gearing wise.
3) stiffer suspension and shocks.
4) different (lower) gearing in the transfer case.


UNO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think all H3's have the 4.56 rear end ratio, only the granny gear ratio is different between base and adventure setups.


S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correct...all get the 4.56 gear and the adventure series (or off-road package) get the 4:1 Tcase versus a 2:1.

HummerB
01-24-2006, 08:19 PM
what is the 4:1 vs 2:1 transfer case?

HummerB
01-24-2006, 08:21 PM
And are 33's really going to rob noticeable power from me if i upgrade from the stock 31's down the road?

fourfourto
01-24-2006, 08:29 PM
HummerB
Hummer Veteran

Posted Jan 24, 5:21 PM
And are 33's really going to rob noticeable power from me if i upgrade from the stock 31's down the road?


I thought the base had 32 inch tires. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

boulderhummer
01-24-2006, 08:33 PM
i put Terra Grappler 33's on my base H3 with no problem. truck runs great. other than the obvious lack of power complaint by everyone, i don't notice a problem. i did raise the torson bars up an inch in the front...rides great.
good luck

SledgeHummer
01-24-2006, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Correct...all get the 4.56 gear and the adventure series (or off-road package) get the 4:1 Tcase versus a 2:1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldnt be so sure, I think it's 2,62 (or 2.72) on the base package. I have the adventure package and it doesnt come with an underbody protection.

I already ordered the underbody protection from GM and Offroad lamps & rocker panels. will be taking before/after pictures as well as installation pictures, will post them when done, not sometime soon though.

SledgeHummer

H3HUMVEE
01-24-2006, 09:49 PM
the base hase a 2.64:1 Borg-warner transfer case

f5fstop
01-24-2006, 10:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H3HUMVEE:
the base hase a 2.64:1 Borg-warner transfer case </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You as well as Sledgehammer caught me. It is a 2.64:1 BW 4493 and the off-road is BW 4494 4:1. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I wonder when we are discussing the underbody protection if the original poster is asking about the three shields that do come with all H3s; the front shield (with the H2 on it), the shield Sledgehammer ripped off (as shown in another thread), and the thin one that hangs under the Tcase?
The caged underbody protection is optional on all vehicles, but should be a requirement if doing any serious off-roading.

H3HUMVEE
01-24-2006, 10:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by H3HUMVEE:
the base hase a 2.64:1 Borg-warner transfer case </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You as well as Sledgehammer caught me. It is a 2.64:1 BW 4493 and the off-road is BW 4494 4:1. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the three shields that do come with all H3s; the front shield (with the H2 on it),

You mean(H3 on it) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ... caught you again http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HummerB
01-24-2006, 10:30 PM
again............what is the difference between the two transfer cases.......i guess what i am asking is what do the numbers 2:56 and 4:1 mean??

H3HUMVEE
01-24-2006, 10:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerB:
again............what is the difference between the two transfer cases.......i guess what i am asking is what do the numbers 2:56 and 4:1 mean?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, in simple terms with the 4:1 for every four revolutions of the input shaft of your transfer case you get one rotation of the output shaft ..So you can reduce your output ratio from your transmission by four to one...

SledgeHummer
01-25-2006, 01:40 AM
hehehe H3HUMVEE you bad bad boy, that's the answer he's looking for http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What HUMVEE is trying to tell you, the higher the T-case ratio is the stronger the case is. i.e. in rockcrawling condition or extreme offroading conditions the 4:1 case gives a lot more power than the 2.64:1

Huck BB62
01-25-2006, 05:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Steve-SanJose-H3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UNOMYFLO:
The adventure package comes as follows:

1) 33" tires
2) 4.56 gear ratio (probbaly due to the larger tire killing the stock gear setup) Plus more offroad ability gearing wise.
3) stiffer suspension and shocks.
4) different (lower) gearing in the transfer case.


UNO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think all H3's have the 4.56 rear end ratio, only the granny gear ratio is different between base and adventure setups.


S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Better check your build sheet. From what I saw at the dealer, 4.56 gears are found on the Adventure package.

Overview

Model:
HUMMER H3

Body style / driveline:
4-door, 5-passenger hard-top 4-wheel-drive

EPA vehicle class:
Midsize sport utility

Construction:
Welded steel frame, electro galvanized steel

Manufacturing location:
Shreveport, Louisiana

Key competitors:
Toyota 4Runner; Jeep Grand Cherokee, Nissan Xterra, BMW X3




Engine
Vortec 3500

Type:
3.5L inline 5-cylinder

Displacement (cu in / cc):
211 / 3460

Bore & stroke (in / mm):
3.66 x 4 / 93 x 102

Block material:
A356-T6 lost foam cast aluminum

Cylinder head material:
A356-T6 lost foam cast aluminum

Valvetrain:
dual overhead camshafts, continuously variable exhaust valve timing, 4 valves-per-cylinder, with dual balance shafts

Ignition system:
distributorless electronic spark, coil-on-plug, platinum-tipped spark plugs

Fuel delivery:
multipoint sequential fuel injection

Compression ratio:
10.0:1

Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
220 / 164 @ 5600 (estimated.)

Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
225 / 305 @ 2800 (estimated.)

Recommended fuel:
87 octane

Maximum engine speed (rpm):
6300

Emissions controls:
dual "split converter" design; LEV II

Est. fuel economy (auto city):
16 mpg*

(auto hwy):
20 mpg*


*based on preliminary GM tests

Transmissions
MA5
Hydra-Matic 4L60-E

Type:
5-speed manual
4-speed automatic





Gear ratios (:1):



First:
3.75
3.06

Second:
2.20
1.63

Third:
1.37
1.00

Fourth:
1.00
0.70

Fifth:
0.73
--

Reverse:
3.67
2.29





Stall ratio:
N/A
1.90





Final drive axle ratio:
4.10
4.56

Low range lock gear reduction:
2.64
4.03

Crawl ratio (range):
33 to 69
33 to 69


Chassis/Suspension

Front:
independent SLA torsion bar, 46-mm mono-tube gas-charged shocks, 36-mm tubular stabilizer bar

Rear:
"Hotchkiss" design multileaf, semi-elliptical single-stage leaf spring, 46-mm mono-tube gas-charged shocks, 25-mm rear solid diameter stabilizer bar

Steering type:
power-assisted rack-and-pinion, with tri-bushing mount design

Steering ratio:
17:1

Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
3.25

Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m):
37 / 11.3


Brakes

Type:
electro-hydraulic power 4-wheel disc, 4-wheel anti-lock, four-piston opposed (fixed) front caliper/ single piston sliding rear caliper with Dynamic Rear Proportioning




Rotor diameter x thickness (in / mm):


Front:
12.4 x 1.1 / 315 x 28

Rear:
12.28 x 0.47 / 312 x 12




Total swept area (sq in / sq cm):


Front:
69.4 / 448

Rear:
51 / 328


Wheels/Tires

Wheel size & type:
16-inch x 7.5-inch aluminum

Tires:
std: P265/75R16 all terrain steel-belted Goodyear radials


opt: LT285/75R16C on-/off-road Bridgestone radials (with ZM6 Off-Road Adventure package)


Same full-size spare as the tires on the vehicle


Dimensions

Exterior:


Wheelbase (in / mm):
111.9 / 2842

Overall length w/ spare and 33-inch tires (in / mm):
186.7 / 4742

Overall width (in / mm):
85.5 / 2170.5

Overall height (in / mm):
74.5 / 1893

Track (in / mm):


Front:
65 / 1651

Rear:
65.5 / 1664

Minimum ground clearance front (in / mm):
9.1 / 231

Step-in height (in / mm):


Front:
w/ 32-inch tires: 24 / 609.2

w/ 33-inch tires: 24.7 / 609.2

Rear:
w/ 32-inch tires: 24.5 / 623.5

w/ 33-inch tires: 25.3 / 643.5

RTI
21.7

Approach angle (degrees):
w/ 32-inch tires: 38

w/ 33-inch tires: 40

Departure angle (degrees):
w/ 32-inch tires : 36

w/ 33-inch tires: 37

Breakover angle (degrees):
w/ 32-inch tires: 24

w/ 33-inch tires: 25




Grade capability (percent):
60

Side slope capability (degree):
40

Water fording capability (in/ mm):


(at 20 mph / 32 km/h):
16 / 407

(at 5 mph / 8 km/h):
24 / 610




Curb weight (auto trans) (lb/ kg):
4700 / 2132




Interior


Seating capacity:
5

Head room (in / mm):


Front:
w/ sunroof: 39.9 / 1013

w/o sunroof: 40.6 / 1032

Rear:
w/ sunroof: 37.9 / 963.5

w/o sunroof: 39.9 / 1013

Leg room (in / mm):


Front:
41.9 / 1063

Rear:
35 / 890

Shoulder room (in / mm):


Front:
54.4 / 1381.3

Rear:
53.5 / 1358

Hip room (in / mm):


Front:
53.9 / 1370

Rear:
53.5 / 1358


Capacities




Cargo capacity (rear seat up) (cu ft / L):


Rear seat up:
29.5 / 835.3

Rear seat down:
55.7 / 1577




Cargo area length (at floor) (in / mm):


Rear seat up:
32 / 810.5

Rear seat down:
63.5 / 1614

Cargo area height (rear floor to headliner) (in/mm):
37 / 939

Cargo area width between wheelhouses (in / mm):
42.1 / 1070

GVWR, standard (lb / kg):
5850 / 2654

Payload, base (lb / kg):
1150 / 521.6 (estimated)

Fuel tank (gal /L):
23 / 87

Engine oil (qt / L):


5-speed manual:
6 / 5.7

4-speed automatic:
6 / 5.7

Maximum trailer weight (lb / kg):
4500 / 2041 (estimated)

Maximum tongue weight (lb / kg):
Up to 400 / 182 (estimated)

f5fstop
01-25-2006, 08:45 AM
last night was a bad night http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HummerJim
01-25-2006, 12:28 PM
I agree with the previous posts and wish I would have gotten the Adventure package in June! It's a bargain for all they give you. I also believe the salesman told me the Adventure has one more leaf or thicker leafs?? They only had one at the dealer and I thought it rode a little stiffer, but have ridden in an Adventure H3 since, at the Ozark Offroad Bash I can now barely tell the difference in the ride with it and mine. I have added slightly larger offroad tires and with the stock gearing the acceleration has suffered a little, but perhaps the highway mpgs have improved, because I get consistent 17s on the highway. Go with the Adventure Package!

Steve - SanJose
01-25-2006, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huck BB62:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Steve-SanJose-H3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UNOMYFLO:
The adventure package comes as follows:

1) 33" tires
2) 4.56 gear ratio (probbaly due to the larger tire killing the stock gear setup) Plus more offroad ability gearing wise.
3) stiffer suspension and shocks.
4) different (lower) gearing in the transfer case.


UNO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think all H3's have the 4.56 rear end ratio, only the granny gear ratio is different between base and adventure setups.


S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Better check your build sheet. From what I saw at the dealer, 4.56 gears are found on the Adventure package.

Overview

Model:
HUMMER H3

Body style / driveline:
4-door, 5-passenger hard-top 4-wheel-drive

EPA vehicle class:
Midsize sport utility

Construction:
Welded steel frame, electro galvanized steel

Manufacturing location:
Shreveport, Louisiana

Key competitors:
Toyota 4Runner; Jeep Grand Cherokee, Nissan Xterra, BMW X3




Engine
Vortec 3500

Type:
3.5L inline 5-cylinder

Displacement (cu in / cc):
211 / 3460

Bore & stroke (in / mm):
3.66 x 4 / 93 x 102

Block material:
A356-T6 lost foam cast aluminum

Cylinder head material:
A356-T6 lost foam cast aluminum

Valvetrain:
dual overhead camshafts, continuously variable exhaust valve timing, 4 valves-per-cylinder, with dual balance shafts

Ignition system:
distributorless electronic spark, coil-on-plug, platinum-tipped spark plugs

Fuel delivery:
multipoint sequential fuel injection

Compression ratio:
10.0:1

Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm):
220 / 164 @ 5600 (estimated.)

Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
225 / 305 @ 2800 (estimated.)

Recommended fuel:
87 octane

Maximum engine speed (rpm):
6300

Emissions controls:
dual "split converter" design; LEV II

Est. fuel economy (auto city):
16 mpg*

(auto hwy):
20 mpg*


*based on preliminary GM tests

Transmissions
MA5
Hydra-Matic 4L60-E

Type:
5-speed manual
4-speed automatic





Gear ratios (:1):



First:
3.75
3.06

Second:
2.20
1.63

Third:
1.37
1.00

Fourth:
1.00
0.70

Fifth:
0.73
--

Reverse:
3.67
2.29





Stall ratio:
N/A
1.90





Final drive axle ratio:
4.10
4.56

Low range lock gear reduction:
2.64
4.03

Crawl ratio (range):
33 to 69
33 to 69


Chassis/Suspension

Front:
independent SLA torsion bar, 46-mm mono-tube gas-charged shocks, 36-mm tubular stabilizer bar

Rear:
"Hotchkiss" design multileaf, semi-elliptical single-stage leaf spring, 46-mm mono-tube gas-charged shocks, 25-mm rear solid diameter stabilizer bar

Steering type:
power-assisted rack-and-pinion, with tri-bushing mount design

Steering ratio:
17:1

Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
3.25

Turning circle, curb-to-curb (ft / m):
37 / 11.3


Brakes

Type:
electro-hydraulic power 4-wheel disc, 4-wheel anti-lock, four-piston opposed (fixed) front caliper/ single piston sliding rear caliper with Dynamic Rear Proportioning




Rotor diameter x thickness (in / mm):


Front:
12.4 x 1.1 / 315 x 28

Rear:
12.28 x 0.47 / 312 x 12




Total swept area (sq in / sq cm):


Front:
69.4 / 448

Rear:
51 / 328


Wheels/Tires

Wheel size & type:
16-inch x 7.5-inch aluminum

Tires:
std: P265/75R16 all terrain steel-belted Goodyear radials


opt: LT285/75R16C on-/off-road Bridgestone radials (with ZM6 Off-Road Adventure package)


Same full-size spare as the tires on the vehicle


Dimensions

Exterior:


Wheelbase (in / mm):
111.9 / 2842

Overall length w/ spare and 33-inch tires (in / mm):
186.7 / 4742

Overall width (in / mm):
85.5 / 2170.5

Overall height (in / mm):
74.5 / 1893

Track (in / mm):


Front:
65 / 1651

Rear:
65.5 / 1664

Minimum ground clearance front (in / mm):
9.1 / 231

Step-in height (in / mm):


Front:
w/ 32-inch tires: 24 / 609.2

w/ 33-inch tires: 24.7 / 609.2

Rear:
w/ 32-inch tires: 24.5 / 623.5

w/ 33-inch tires: 25.3 / 643.5

RTI
21.7

Approach angle (degrees):
w/ 32-inch tires: 38

w/ 33-inch tires: 40

Departure angle (degrees):
w/ 32-inch tires : 36

w/ 33-inch tires: 37

Breakover angle (degrees):
w/ 32-inch tires: 24

w/ 33-inch tires: 25




Grade capability (percent):
60

Side slope capability (degree):
40

Water fording capability (in/ mm):


(at 20 mph / 32 km/h):
16 / 407

(at 5 mph / 8 km/h):
24 / 610




Curb weight (auto trans) (lb/ kg):
4700 / 2132




Interior


Seating capacity:
5

Head room (in / mm):


Front:
w/ sunroof: 39.9 / 1013

w/o sunroof: 40.6 / 1032

Rear:
w/ sunroof: 37.9 / 963.5

w/o sunroof: 39.9 / 1013

Leg room (in / mm):


Front:
41.9 / 1063

Rear:
35 / 890

Shoulder room (in / mm):


Front:
54.4 / 1381.3

Rear:
53.5 / 1358

Hip room (in / mm):


Front:
53.9 / 1370

Rear:
53.5 / 1358


Capacities




Cargo capacity (rear seat up) (cu ft / L):


Rear seat up:
29.5 / 835.3

Rear seat down:
55.7 / 1577




Cargo area length (at floor) (in / mm):


Rear seat up:
32 / 810.5

Rear seat down:
63.5 / 1614

Cargo area height (rear floor to headliner) (in/mm):
37 / 939

Cargo area width between wheelhouses (in / mm):
42.1 / 1070

GVWR, standard (lb / kg):
5850 / 2654

Payload, base (lb / kg):
1150 / 521.6 (estimated)

Fuel tank (gal /L):
23 / 87

Engine oil (qt / L):


5-speed manual:
6 / 5.7

4-speed automatic:
6 / 5.7

Maximum trailer weight (lb / kg):
4500 / 2041 (estimated)

Maximum tongue weight (lb / kg):
Up to 400 / 182 (estimated) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Wrong, read the sheet.

All automatics have 4:56 rear ends (both base and adventure). This chart is showing different gearing of AUTO vs. MANUAL tranny.

S.

f5fstop
01-25-2006, 07:28 PM
Hate to tell all, but a few weeks ago this popped up in the tech section, and I confirmed with the engineer in charge of axles, and there is only ONE axle ratio offered on the 2006 H3 Hummer; and that is 4.56:1.
This is irregardless of what a marketing sheet has on it. Prior to calling, I had pulled vehicle information build sheets for autos, manuals with and without the off-road package, and found only 4.56 gear listed.

HummerB
01-25-2006, 07:41 PM
? so the only diff is the 33 in. tires, stiffer shocks, and 4:1 Tcase?

Then 33in. tire upgrade would not impact a lux package at all? The lux set up with 31 in tires should be getting better accl. than one with the adventure package?

fourfourto
01-25-2006, 07:50 PM
? so the only diff is the 33 in. tires, stiffer shocks, and 4:1 Tcase?

Then 33in. tire upgrade would not impact a lux package at all? The lux set up with 31 in tires should be getting better accl. than one with the adventure package?






Front:
w/ 32-inch tires: 24 / 609.2

w/ 33-inch tires: 24.7 / 609.2

Rear:
w/ 32-inch tires: 24.5 / 623.5

w/ 33-inch tires: 25.3 / 643.5

There are no 31 inch tires You get the rear locker also.

f5fstop
01-25-2006, 07:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerB:
? so the only diff is the 33 in. tires, stiffer shocks, and 4:1 Tcase?

Then 33in. tire upgrade would not impact a lux package at all? The lux set up with 31 in tires should be getting better accl. than one with the adventure package? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, another difference is the Eaton Electronic Rear Locker in the axle differential.

Correct, upgrading to 33 in tirs is no problem. As for acceleration, not sure you would be able to tell the difference. Besides the standard tires are 32", off-road are 33." Biggest difference between the tires is the 33s are Bridgstone and are better for off-road than the Goodyear Wrattlers on the standard package.

Steve - SanJose
01-25-2006, 07:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Hate to tell all, but a few weeks ago this popped up in the tech section, and I confirmed with the engineer in charge of axles, and there is only ONE axle ratio offered on the 2006 H3 Hummer; and that is 4.56:1.
This is irregardless of what a marketing sheet has on it. Prior to calling, I had pulled vehicle information build sheets for autos, manuals with and without the off-road package, and found only 4.56 gear listed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Interesting on the auto vs. manual rear end ratio.

1. A little suspect though, since we are hearing that gearing in 5th gear on the manual tranny is considerably taller than 4th on the auto tranny. Based on the chart above 5th gear should be slightly lower given that rear end ratios are the same.

2. It's very normal for auto and manual setups to have different final drive ratios.

The engineer might be a little drowsy. Nudge him to recheck.


S.

NEOCON1
01-25-2006, 08:16 PM
acceleration and hummer in same sentence you guys are a riot . http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and whoever said lack of power http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif dont you know what these were designed to do ? LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif you guys should get the 32's your trucks will be so fast http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HummerB
01-25-2006, 08:31 PM
i am not interested in being fast, but i just dont want to hinder stock accl. ect....

Alan06SUT
01-25-2006, 08:35 PM
A 4:1 gearbox is like being in the lowest gear on a mountain bike (ie your pealing fast and not going very far, but you can make it up a very steep hill). A 2.56:1 gearbox is like being in a low to middle gear (ie your peading slower, and can't make it up a steep hill, you just dont have the power, so you switch to an easier gear). Same with a lower t case ratio. The 4:1 can crawl and climb better that a 2.56 box. That is why the h3 adventure has plent of power to climb steep ass hills without stalling, even though it has a relatively small motor.

HummBebe
01-25-2006, 08:37 PM
I'm about ready to blow a gasket on this one, so I'll KEEP sitting this one out. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Steve - SanJose
01-25-2006, 08:49 PM
Yea Hummer and acceleration in the same sentence is a riot for sure http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif All Hummers are slugs by road car standards, but they were engineered to meet offroad criteria that very few vehicles at any price can match.

But we keep reading about people complaining about the power on the road. Then they add 35" and 37" tires and complain even more as the auto tranny downshifts constantly trying to maintain any speed going up hills. In my opinion H3 power is adequate, but I'm not in a rush to make it even slower.
http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
S.

HummerB
01-25-2006, 09:47 PM
thanx steve, that was my exact point/concern.

f5fstop
01-25-2006, 10:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Steve-SanJose-H3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by f5fstop:
Hate to tell all, but a few weeks ago this popped up in the tech section, and I confirmed with the engineer in charge of axles, and there is only ONE axle ratio offered on the 2006 H3 Hummer; and that is 4.56:1.
This is irregardless of what a marketing sheet has on it. Prior to calling, I had pulled vehicle information build sheets for autos, manuals with and without the off-road package, and found only 4.56 gear listed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Interesting on the auto vs. manual rear end ratio.

1. A little suspect though, since we are hearing that gearing in 5th gear on the manual tranny is considerably taller than 4th on the auto tranny. Based on the chart above 5th gear should be slightly lower given that rear end ratios are the same.

2. It's very normal for auto and manual setups to have different final drive ratios.

The engineer might be a little drowsy. Nudge him to recheck.


S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I should keep out, but I won't. The engineer in question is the head service engineer for this part, he is a manager, he is also in charge of the release of this part to service application. He assured me it was a 4:55:1 gear, and this went right along with all the vehicle history build sheets I pulled up in the system.
In my opinion, I don't need to nudge him. Maybe those with all their innuendos and assumptions should get nudged a bit. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Partial copy of my Build sheet, H3, auto, with off-road package:
G94 - LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL HC4 - REAR AXLE 4.56
JB9 - BRAKE LIGHT JJA - PT DRESS SUBASSEMBLY INSTALLED
JL4 - STABILITRAK-STABILITY CONTROL KA1 - FRONT HEATER SEAT
KG7 - 125 AMP GENERATOR K05 - ENGINE BLOCK HEATER
K34 - CRUISE CONTROL L52 - 3.5L DOHC 220HP ENGINE
M30 - 4-SPD AUTOMATIC TRANS W/ STABILITRAK-STABILITY CONTROL NP5 - LEATHER WRAPPED STEERING WHEEL
NR6 - 4:1 TRANSFER-CASE NT9 - FEDERAL EMISSION SYSTEM TIER 2


Build sheet of a H3, manual, off-road package:
FE9 - 50-STATE EMISSIONS HC4 - REAR AXLE 4.56
JB9 - BRAKE LIGHT JJA - PT DRESS SUBASSEMBLY INSTALLED
KG7 - 125 AMP GENERATOR K34 - CRUISE CONTROL
L52 - 3.5L DOHC 220HP ENGINE MA5 - MANUAL TRANSMISSION
NR4 - 4WD TRANSFER CASE NT9 - FEDERAL EMISSION SYSTEM TIER 2


These are the actual build sheets produced when the vehicle is run down the assembly line.

NEOCON1
01-25-2006, 10:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummBebe:
I'm about ready to blow a gasket on this one, so I'll KEEP sitting this one out. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif cant wait to get my 35's mounted http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Steve - SanJose
01-25-2006, 11:08 PM
Maybe we are looking at a bogus (non GM) spec sheet above regarding rear axle ratios.

And didn't this discussion start because some thought base vs. adventure had a different rear axle ratio?

Whatever, I can't get too excited about this. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


S.

HummerJim
01-26-2006, 12:13 AM
Fstop is there any truth in the statement a salesman made to me that the Adventure package has an extra leaf or stiffer leaf springs? Is the suspension difference just in the shocks?

HummBebe
01-26-2006, 12:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummBebe:
I'm about ready to blow a gasket on this one, so I'll KEEP sitting this one out. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif cant wait to get my 35's mounted http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And if I hear Bit*hing about your power loss I'll have Darla shave your eyebrows in your sleep http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HummBebe
01-26-2006, 01:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HummerB:
i am not interested in being fast, but i just dont want to hinder stock accl. ect.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Learn how to put your foot in it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

NEOCON1
01-26-2006, 01:37 AM
my truck is way too fast i hope the 35's will slow it down some http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif if i ever wake up with shaved eyebrows i will put you on the list with lootie dude http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Huck BB62
01-26-2006, 02:03 AM
All I'm saying is that two months ago (not that long ago) they were NOT all 4.56 geared H3s on the lot. I looked at a lot of windows. This made me look up the page I found and they do indeed come with both. Checking your sheet before you buy one is the only way to know. There's still H3s on the lot as we speak with 4.10 gear ratios.

NEOCON1
01-26-2006, 02:10 AM
all i know is i took delivery august 30th . mine is an auto if im in 1st gear in low range i can go down STEEP and i mean REAL STEEP $HIT no foot on brake and doubt that the truck exceeds 2-3 mph i think its incredible . http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Steve - SanJose
01-26-2006, 03:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huck BB62:
All I'm saying is that two months ago (not that long ago) they were NOT all 4.56 geared H3s on the lot. I looked at a lot of windows. This made me look up the page I found and they do indeed come with both. Checking your sheet before you buy one is the only way to know. There's still H3s on the lot as we speak with 4.10 gear ratios. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Huck BB62, got it. I checked the sticker from my H3 base automatic and it says 4:56 http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Neocon1, that's the beauty of the adventure package, the granny gear is extremely low and with it engaged it doesn't matter what your tire size is or what the rear end ratio is (within reason of course) http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

S.