Gotta admit when I'm wrong.

[Huck BB62]

Ok, the H3s are all 4.56 ratios. I went to the dealer today to check it out. (they also have a brand new yellow H1 alpha crew cab on the lot! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif)

The salesman that sold us our H3 reminded me that we looked at quite a few H2s that night, that's probably what had me bojangled.

Just wanted to keep it straight.

[Huck BB62]

Ok, the H3s are all 4.56 ratios. I went to the dealer today to check it out. (they also have a brand new yellow H1 alpha crew cab on the lot! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif)

The salesman that sold us our H3 reminded me that we looked at quite a few H2s that night, that's probably what had me bojangled.

Just wanted to keep it straight.

[HIHUMMER]

AH!! A man who can admit when he's wrong!! Great Huck!!! Everyone forgives you. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

No such thing as an "H1 alpha crew cab". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Sewie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
No such thing as an "H1 alpha crew cab". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like you have more admitting to do Huck. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[fourfourto]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ETD]

Funny thing about that "final axle ratio" commented here and previously: 4.10 vs. 4.56. I wonder where the mixed up came from... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(Hint: go to left hand column, click on "H3 Official Information" then click again on "Detailed specs" and look under "Transmission" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

[NEOCON1]

5-speed 4.10 ?

[Steve - SanJose]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NEOCON1:
5-speed 4.10 ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spec sheets say yes, but are they real GM spec sheets? The Hummer H3 book (purchased on Amazon) that many of us have says yes. Somebody might want to look at their MSRP window sticker of their 5 speed H3 and tell us what it says. Windown sticker on Automatics says 4:56. TBD

S.

[f5fstop]

Here I thought this subject was rested. Not sure how much I have to show to say there is only one gear ratio; 4.56:1? But I will say this is the LAST time I will display any information on what the gear ratio is. If those who want to disbelieve continue to disbelieve, the so be it; I am not losing any more time on the matter.
The following is everything that is in the GM parts manual for total axle replacement. They list two different rear axle assemblies. I'm sure some will still disbelieve, and personally, I don't care.

GM PART PART USAGE DESCRIPTION
15822875 N1 4.56R (HC4), CHAS PKG (Z85) AXLE,RR (4.56 RATIO) (CODE 01 ------ list Display Part FD3,HL1,HU5,JN2) (05.386)

15822876 N1 4.56R (HC4), OFF ROAD SUSP PKG AXLE,RR (4.56 RATIO) (CODE 01 ------ list Display Part(ZM6) EX5,FD4,HL2,HU6,JN3) (05.386)

Sorry if the format is not that enjoyable to read, but this is a direct copy from the GM parts manual. Please notice there are two axles, and that is ALL that they have for replacement. Therefore, with the running of vehicle history builds on all the applicatons possible, the information from the manager of this section, and the parts manual replacments for the axles, I feel this subject should be put to rest. If not, feel free to speculate. But as someone said about opinions....

[f5fstop]

Here are some actual window stickers from the GM Buy Power website:
5-Speed manual off-road suspension (http://www.gmbuypower.com/nvlWindowSticker.bp?make=HUMMER&zip=48307&noType=0&sellingSource=69&makeId=007&model=H3&dPath=URDP&subModelId=292&year=2006&BAC=117194.0&modelId=090&pvc=783&styleId=Adventure%20Series%201SB&style=Adventure%20Series%201SB&cabSize=&boxSize=&driveType=&wheelBase=&cabSizeId=&boxSizeId=&driveTypeId=&wheelBaseId=&VIN=5GTDN136068100921&nextVin=5GTDN136068166045&previousVin=&currPosition=0&iPi=4&fPi=4&BAC=117194.0&vehModuleDesc=H3%20SUV)

Auto standard suspension (http://www.gmbuypower.com/nvlWindowSticker.bp?make=HUMMER&zip=48307&noType=0&sellingSource=69&makeId=007&model=H3&dPath=URDP&subModelId=292&year=2006&BAC=117194.0&modelId=090&pvc=784&styleId=Luxury%201SC&style=Luxury%201SC&cabSize=&boxSize=&driveType=&wheelBase=&cabSizeId=&boxSizeId=&driveTypeId=&wheelBaseId=&VIN=5GTDN136568232606&nextVin=&previousVin=5GTDN136968134789&currPosition=49&iPi=4&fPi=4&BAC=117194.0&vehModuleDesc=H3%20SUV)

5-Speed standard suspension (http://www.gmbuypower.com/nvlWindowSticker.bp?make=HUMMER&zip=48307&noType=0&sellingSource=69&makeId=007&model=H3&dPath=URDP&subModelId=292&year=2006&BAC=117194.0&modelId=090&pvc=782&styleId=Base%201SA&style=Base%201SA&cabSize=&boxSize=&driveType=&wheelBase=&cabSizeId=&boxSizeId=&driveTypeId=&wheelBaseId=&VIN=5GTDN136368232507&nextVin=5GTDN136068233033&previousVin=5GTDN136368112111&currPosition=8&iPi=4&fPi=4&BAC=117194.0&vehModuleDesc=H3%20SUV)

Auto with Off-road suspension (http://www.gmbuypower.com/nvlWindowSticker.bp?make=HUMMER&zip=48307&noType=0&sellingSource=69&makeId=007&model=H3&dPath=URDP&subModelId=292&year=2006&BAC=117194.0&modelId=090&pvc=783&styleId=Adventure%20Series%201SB&style=Adventure%20Series%201SB&cabSize=&boxSize=&driveType=&wheelBase=&cabSizeId=&boxSizeId=&driveTypeId=&wheelBaseId=&VIN=5GTDN136068166045&nextVin=5GTDN136168107358&previousVin=5GTDN136068100921&currPosition=1&iPi=4&fPi=4&BAC=117194.0&vehModuleDesc=H3%20SUV)

[Steve - SanJose]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ETD:
Funny thing about that "final axle ratio" commented here and previously: 4.10 vs. 4.56. I wonder where the mixed up came from... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(Hint: go to left hand column, click on "H3 Official Information" then click again on "Detailed specs" and look under "Transmission" http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Looks like some incorrect data on the website as verified via the parts manual and window stickers. Most likely the gear ratios shown are incorrect also, at least for the 5 speed tranny.

S.

[NEOCON1]

i think i found it the trans case is 4 to 1 reduction some one didant understand that and turned it to rear end gearing . 4 to 1 reduction 4.56 gears . could this be it ?

[H3 Builder]

I know when we started building H3's, we had both 4.10 and 4.56. Now I haven't checked in a while, so they could have canceled the 4.10. I'll check it out next week and see if what we are now building.

I looked through the plant parts list and it looks like the 4.56 is the only one for the Hummer, now. The 4.10 must have been dropped.

[Huck BB62]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H3 Builder:
I know when we started building H3's, we had both 4.10 and 4.56. Now I haven't checked in a while, so they could have canceled the 4.10. I'll check it out next week and see if what we are now building.

I looked through the plant parts list and it looks like the 4.56 is the only one for the Hummer, now. The 4.10 must have been dropped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know H3, it's funny how some guys gotta try to make themselves feel smarter by putting other people down. You could pull the cover off an axle, SHOW 'em a 4.10 gear set, they'll still post pictures of a guy with their head up their arse.

About the crew cab Alpha, call whatever the heck you want, a four door open top is what it is. It's got four doors and the pickup bed behind it. Took the wife to see, sit in it etc. The thing's awesome but pretty darned impractical. The seating is VERY cramped, the back seat's useless except if four wee midgets are riding in it. It's ready for anything though. The cockpit has more switches in it than a 747. This is one vehicle that I'd have extended warranty on, just to cover all the electronics! Very cool. With my bad knee, it's a real chore sitting in the seat and pulling your knee to your chin to clear the door sill.

I look at the sticker on that Alpha and wonder though, where do they get $135k? I'm figuring about 12k for the engine and tranny, 2k for the tcase, 10k for the portal drive assemblies, $3k extra for the CTIS, 20k for the rest of the rig. How do they get to $135? It is a one and only, that's for sure!

[Steve - SanJose]

Huck BB62,

Yea kind of interesting about the different data coming out at various times/places/people at GM. No doubt, only 4:56 ratio in production now. Since they cancelled the 4:10 on the 5 speed, the gear ratios shown on this website are probably wrong also. I'm sure somebody will give the straight answer as to why and complete the story soon.

As to the pricing of the H1 Alpha, the higher the better. The volume is so low that it hardly matters from a business standpoint (high profit margin % on very low volume sales). The H3 is really the only hope to insure Hummer's survival and profitability.

S.

[fourfourto]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">it's funny how some guys gotta try to make themselves feel smarter by putting other people down. You could pull the cover off an axle, SHOW 'em a 4.10 gear set, they'll still post pictures of a guy with their head up their arse. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not trying to be smarter just thought it was funny. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H3 Builder:
I know when we started building H3's, we had both 4.10 and 4.56. Now I haven't checked in a while, so they could have canceled the 4.10. I'll check it out next week and see if what we are now building.

I looked through the plant parts list and it looks like the 4.56 is the only one for the Hummer, now. The 4.10 must have been dropped. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they built any 4:10s they had to be in the non-saleable captured test fleet. If they had sold ONE H3 with a 4:10, they would be required to have service parts for this item.
However, I just did a history check and here is what has been built as saleable vehicles for 2006 H3s (H3 Builder, you can confirm this via the vehicle information system). These were all shipped as PEP/Special Event vehicles, some were sold and some are still in company use (we have one of these vehicle in our garage area for validation/time study at this time.
68100001 = No record, could have been scrapped.
68100002 = Auto, standard package (NR4 Tcase)
FE9 - 50-STATE EMISSIONS HC4 - REAR AXLE 4.56
JB9 - BRAKE LIGHT JJA - PT DRESS SUBASSEMBLY INSTALLED
JL4 - STABILITRAK-STABILITY CONTROL KG7 - 125 AMP GENERATOR
K34 - CRUISE CONTROL L52 - 3.5L DOHC 220HP ENGINE
M30 - 4-SPD AUTOMATIC TRANS W/ STABILITRAK-STABILITY CONTROL NR4 - 4WD TRANSFER CASE
6810003=Auto, off-road package (NR6 Tcase)
G94 - LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL HC4 - REAR AXLE 4.56
JB9 - BRAKE LIGHT JJA - PT DRESS SUBASSEMBLY INSTALLED
JL4 - STABILITRAK-STABILITY CONTROL KA1 - FRONT HEATER SEAT
KG7 - 125 AMP GENERATOR K34 - CRUISE CONTROL
L52 - 3.5L DOHC 220HP ENGINE M30 - 4-SPD AUTOMATIC TRANS W/ STABILITRAK-STABILITY CONTROL
NP5 - LEATHER WRAPPED STEERING WHEEL NR6 - 4:1 TRANSFER-CASE
6810004= Same as 03
6810005=Same as 03
6810006=Same as 03
6810007=Manual, standard package (NR4 Tcase)
FE9 - 50-STATE EMISSIONS HC4 - REAR AXLE 4.56
JB9 - BRAKE LIGHT JJA - PT DRESS SUBASSEMBLY INSTALLED
KG7 - 125 AMP GENERATOR K34 - CRUISE CONTROL
L52 - 3.5L DOHC 220HP ENGINE MA5 - MANUAL TRANSMISSION
NR4 - 4WD TRANSFER CASE NT9 - FEDERAL EMISSION SYSTEM TIER 2
6810012=Manual, off-road package (NR6 Tcase)
G94 - LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL HC4 - REAR AXLE 4.56
JB9 - BRAKE LIGHT JJA - PT DRESS SUBASSEMBLY INSTALLED
KG7 - 125 AMP GENERATOR K34 - CRUISE CONTROL
L52 - 3.5L DOHC 220HP ENGINE MA5 - MANUAL TRANSMISSION
NC7 - FEDERAL EMISSION OVERRIDE NR6 - 4:1 TRANSFER-CASE


Now, in answer to why inaccurate information was available for the H3, simple, marketing...
It is not unusual for marketing brochures to be printed months in advance of the launch of a vehicle. It is not unknown for someone in marketing to make a mistake; or anyone to make a mistake.
All marketing brochures printed by GM (or any other manufacturer) will have a disclaimer, stating something to the fact that the information in this brochure could be changed at any time.
Possibly, in the early design of the H3, someone wanted a 4:10 rear end. However, it appears somewhere along the way, the 4:10 was canceled, or the 4:10 was never considered, and advertising/marketing made a mistake.
Can't this be put to rest and we can move on to other subjects?

[Steve - SanJose]

Yea the Marketing guys always have their disclaimers for sure (CYA per the of army of lawyers). The rear end ratio topic has been cross checked and should be put to rest. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

New question (since the rear end ratio is known to be 4:56 in all versions of H3);

What are the gear ratios of the 5 speed and what are the gear ratios of the automatic?

We do not want to depend on outdated or inaccurate Marketing info.

S.

[ETD]

f5fstop, no disrespect meant. I was just highlighting one possible source for the confusion of forum members. Since they post on the forum, I thought that they might have seen the "4.10" info on the site as well. Maybe time for Jason to update the H3 info. What's with the "spy shot" and all http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[lamric]

Here's a link to the MOTORTREND article stating that the H3 had either a 4.10:1 or 4.56:1 rear end.


"Built on a modified Colorado/Canyon pickup truck frame (with more crossmembers and more frame boxing), the H3 shares many major components with its siblings; all three are built in GM's Shreveport, Louisiana, plant. The only engine available at launch of the littlest Hummer will be the Vortec 3500 I-5, rated at 220 horsepower and 225 pound-feet of torque. This may not sound like much power to move 4700 pounds, but combined with low (4.10:1 or 4.56:1) axle gears and a choice of manual or automatic transmission, there's quite a bit of oomph off the line."

[f5fstop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ETD:
f5fstop, no disrespect meant. I was just highlighting one possible source for the confusion of forum members. Since they post on the forum, I thought that they might have seen the "4.10" info on the site as well. Maybe time for Jason to update the H3 info. What's with the "spy shot" and all http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand. As you can see by the message just above this one...this will never end.
Maybe it is a secret two-speed rear end, similar to a class 8 truck.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif