Custom Grill Thoughts

[FrgMstr]

I just took delivery of my new grill painted to match my H2. I wanted to share my thoughts on this in case any of you were looking to do the same.

I ordered from Hummer Parts (http://www.hummer-parts.com) online. The grill arrived at my door in 9 days and in great shape. They did an excellent job of packing the beast and used Airborne Express for my "ground shipping" option and it was "free". The grill was priced at US$370 (https://www.hummer-parts.com/product_info.php/products_id/463) which might have been a bit much, but I think I can sell the orginal to someone that has cracked theirs wheeling.

Anyway, two thumbs up on service and making sure it got to me in one peice. Here are some pics.

http://ares.hardocp.com/files/hummer/grill1.jpg

http://ares.hardocp.com/files/hummer/grill2.jpg

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[Detonate]

Nice! I just emailed the guy today to order mine. He hasn't called me back yet.

I'm hoping he will honor that price Surf mentioned in the other thread.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

[FrgMstr]

http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Damn, did I get screwed on the price? Or miss out on a special deal?

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[Detonate]

Kinda, but not really.

http://www.elcova.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=6116023894&r=7836082705#7836082705

You wouldn't have got the price while ordering a black one.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

[FrgMstr]

Roger that. I will ask anyway. You never know unless you try. Thanks for the linkage.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[HappyJack]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrgMstr:
. . . Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

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Looks to me like your catching up. . . http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers

[Klaus]

From www.gmpartsdirect.com (http://www.gmpartsdirect.com)

GM PART # 12499002
CATEGORY: Radiator Grille
PACK QTY: 1 CORE CHARGE: $0.00
GM LIST: $383.00
OUR PRICE: $268.10
DESCRIPTION: GRILLE PK

Klaus

"God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made them all equal."

[Klaus]

I found the part numbers for the grills at:

http://www.hummerofsiouxfalls.com/accessory.asp

Match your H2's body color or use the black grille on any body color with this insert. Price includes parts and labor. Pewter-shown, Black-12499002, Yellow-1249903, Sage Green-1249904, White-1249905, Sunset Orange-12499006, Dark Red Metallic-12499007

Klaus

"God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made them all equal."

[Circuitguy]

Great find Klaus!

So $268 for the grill and shipping should be about $25 to $35 because of the size of the box, not the weight. No need to pay over that for a painted grill! I think $370 was a bit too much. BIG-C http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

White 03-H2-LUX

<a target="_blank" href="http://www.gstyle4u.com">
http://www.elcova.com/h2/gstyle.jpg</a>

[H2Stealth]

??? So this is just a FACTORY GRILL (plastic) that has been painted??? If in fact it does only cost that much to ship, contact Manny at CTL MOTORSPORTS (http://www.ctlmotorsports.com/contact.htm) and he will paint your factory chrome grill instead. And for a lot less. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Of course you will have to be without your grill for a few days but I am talking about a HUGE SAVINGS!!! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

03 Black with Nology Ignition products, K.I.T. carbon-fiber fender trim / hood scoop with handles / hood side tower caps / rear louvers / engine cover, 14 inch BulletProof Suspension powdercoated black installed by CTL MOTORSPORTS, Fox Racing Shox, 44inch Truxus STS with 17x14 Weld Racing Wheels, Snyper brakes, Custom black bi-xenon projector headlights, Kodiak fold down steps, black grill, Pro-Fit custom black LVE fuel door, Benevento carbon-fiber dash kit, Husky Liners floor mats, MOMO shift knob / pedals, HITCHCAM rear camera, Royal Purple fluids, Cleargearz clear differential cover, Airaid intake / filter, Borla exhaust / headers, Optima Battery.

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
From http://www.gmpartsdirect.com

GM PART # 12499002
CATEGORY: Radiator Grille
PACK QTY: 1 CORE CHARGE: $0.00
GM LIST: $383.00
OUR PRICE: $268.10
DESCRIPTION: GRILLE PK

Klaus

"God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made them all equal."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I looked for better deals but did not find them, oh well. Now we all know, which is a great thing. I could send it back and spend the 60 bucks I would be saving in shipping. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by H2Stealth:
If in fact it does only cost that much to ship, contact Manny at http://www.ctlmotorsports.com/contact.htm and he will paint your factory chrome grill instead. And for a lot less. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was told there was an issue with painting over the chromed plastic and to have a good paint job the chrome has to be removed, so it may not be all that simple. That is the reason I went ahead and bought the factory painted version. Also, I doubt I will have problems finding a buyer for the original, so I have that money coming back to my pocket as well. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HappyJack:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrgMstr:
. . . Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

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Looks to me like your catching up. . . http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does it still count if I removed something and then replaced it????!?!?!?!? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[HappyJack]

Yes.

Cheers

[MAC]

I ordered a black grill from Hummer parts for $368. No discount for black. 9 days shipping time as mentioned above is too long. Nowadays online shopping delivery should be 5 days or less. Office supply orders are always delivered next day.

I just checked gmpartsdirect by Klaus's parts No.12499002. It does not say what color in the description, I went as far as I could in checkout without checking out, still no color. Certainly don't want to get another chrome grill in my garage. Shipping is $35, total $303. Nice $60 saving but not worth it for me to cancel Hummer parts order and take a chance in getting wrong color.

I was told it is also for sale on eBay for less, but I ordered from Hummer Parts since they have taken good care of you guys. Sometimes, you need to let people who do a good job to make some money. If we only shop by price, then there is no survival for the businesses who go out their way to provide best service, no reason to take the extra step.

Wonder how much I can get to sell the old one on eBay? what's the going price for a perfect 1 year old chrome grill?

[FrgMstr]

Agreed on letting folks make money, not a problem with that, but if they are offering, I am taking.

I did think 9 days was a bit long but the shipping was "free" and it was "ground". I sent an email yesterday as to the status as they never informed me that it shipped and the grill showed this morning.

Interestingly enough, I could find no original H2 grills for sale on Ebay and the painted ones had bidding starting at $320. I have mine listed here in the classifieds and if I get no bites by next week, I will list mine on Ebay. I guess we will see if there are anyone that wants them or not.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[Klaus]

BTW, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect when I posted the part numbers and pricing from gmpartsdirect. Early adopters always have to pay a price...

I used your picture of the part number on the box, and searched google to come up with the web page that had all the part numbers. Therefore, everyone that gets a better deal from gmpartsdirect owes the better deal to FrgMstr for posting the part number.

Klaus

"God made some men big and some men small, but Sam Colt made them all equal."

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
BTW If we all them on eBay at the same time, the price will likely go down.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very good idea!!!! I will go first and see what happens. Also I will start a thread in the classifieds here when I Ebay next week if it has not sold so we can all watch it together and not step on each others toes.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Klaus:
BTW, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect when I posted the part numbers and pricing from gmpartsdirect. Early adopters always have to pay a price...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

None taken. I am satisfied with my purchase and if it helped out the rest of the gang here, that is great. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[MAC]

The only add-on I have is the hitch step. I think my Hummer looks just right, in fact I want to take off the brush guard and factory offroad lights, but I am just too lazy.

Black grill is the reverse of add-on, it deletes an extra color. I even painted the license plate screws black to get my ass all black color, too bad they don't have all black license plate. To get to that AS ONE look, I may paint my skip plate black too, Phil's black plate looks nice, that I think I can do. Clean it, prime it with spray primer, then spray paint it black. Hard to get to the low point, that I'll have to figure out an easier way.

I don't think I'll get the wheels black, not sure about that, I've seen some black rims on ricers, look sort of dirty and homemade. Plus I am cheap and lazy.

[Spike]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> in fact I want to take off the brush guard and factory offroad lights, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mac, If you ever get around to taking off the off road grill guard lights along with the wire harness, brackets and the switch, I might be interested in buying them from you. Unless you want to give them to me for X-mas. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Either way if you get around to taking them off let me know.

2003 Yellow H2, Lux Series, Air Suspension, Front Brush Guard, Rear Tail Lamp Guards, Helo Maxx 8 Chrome Rims, MC2 Chrome Billet Locking Fuel Door, MC2 Chrome Hood Handles, MC2 Chrome Hood Latches, Chrome Billet Hummer Logo Hitch Step

[MAC]

I am not so sure, I am wishy-washy on this guard and light look, they came with the Hummer. When I see a Hummer without them I always thought that looks clean. The guard and light do look macho. Do I want to be macho or clean? guess one can't be both?
When I switch the grill I must remove the guard and disconnect the lights. Maybe I try it without them for a few weeks. Surely can't ask you guys for artistic advise, you all have bad taste. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Spike, you got too much extra stuffs on your Hummer already. What do you want? 2 brush guards?

[FrgMstr]

Well, I actually use my brush guard so it more of a utilitarian thing than a "macho" deal. But if it is macho to keep your headlights and grill from being smashed to bits, sign me up for "macho."

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[KenP]

Mac, your truck is going to look great with that grille installed. Well, almost, you do have little, funky blue DRL's staring at everybody. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Black Lingenfelter Lux

[MAC]

Ken, Thanks for the generous compliment. I know I know and I know what you mean, don't you just LOVE them? what a nice touch. At the right angle, you can see some blue in my headlight too, double the pleasure. Once I get the black grill, that elegant touch of blue will stand out even more. Blue on black, a bit German look, don't you think so? Phil? Did I hear you all say "More pictures please!". I hear ya. Just one more, don't want you to get OD on too much beauty.

[MAC]

I ordered the black grill on 12/9, got it on 12/11. That is very fast. Excellent service. What a pleasure. Now we will see how many days it sits there until I get around to install it.
https://www.hummer-parts.com/product_info.php/products_id/463

[MAC]

I made some preliminary review of the Hummer grill connections and realized it is a pretty simple and straight forward operation to remove and install grill, and the disconnection of the factory offroad lights should be snappy since the hook ups look like modula plugs.

However, I am a bit puzzled by the brush guard connections. There seems to be only 2 connecting points I can see, both are located behind and under those square boxes on the guard. Seems rather weak supported at 2 points only.

1- Are those the only 2 connecting points to the vehicle?
2- Do I take off the guard leaving the receiving brackets(or plates) attached to the vehicle? if I do not put the guard back on, those 2 little plates will be sticking out a little, right under the grill.

I found the Hummer offroad lamp covers which I never used, once I have the black grill on, I will cover these offorad lamps, paint the skip plate, I basically will have it all black up front, with the exception of the head/DRL lamps.

Thanks for advise.

[PARAGON]

Mac,

The grill guard is also connected to the hood behind your off-road lights. There are 2 arms that extend behind the grill and is accessible when you open the hood.

John

[Patriot]

Paragon,

I think you are incorrect. The wrap around grill has the two "extra" support arms that go behind the grill.

Mac has the standard grill that uses only one connection point .

Mac, there are bolts behind the lower grill assemply which simply pulls off.

Once you pul off the lower grill assembly you will see the bolts that hold on the grill.

[MAC]

The standard grill has 2 points connecting to the front, they are both located under those 2 square boxes on the lower central part of brush guard. From what I can see, should be easy, I estimate 1 to 2 hours job, including smoking breaks every 15 minutes. I am not very good merchanically speaking, except I can take apart and put together guns blindfolded in record speed.

I got it home from my office where it was shipped to. Either the grill is too long or the back of the Hummer is too short even with the back seats folded, but barely managed at 45 degrees. If the rain clears up tomorrow, I'll be working on it. It is beautiful, shiny black and flawless, light weight.

[Hummer Man]

Mac, Its a brush guard brush is defined as sticks smaller then 1/2" diameter. If you want a "LOG" guard they have more connection points!

[Patriot]

Mac,

You missed my point. By ONE connection point, I meant in one area...i.e. behind the lower grill. The wrap around model has two additional supports that attach from under the hood. You have to open the hood to get to them.

TO CLARIFY:
You should have 4 bolts behind the front lower grill that removes by gently pulling...

[MAC]

Hman, I decided to keep the brush guard on for manhood. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif In reality, I see it serves a purpose when small objects hit the grill area on or off road, the guard will protect the grill and maybe the hood too. That happened to me once on the freeway, a 2x4 fell off a truck and went straight into the right turning lamp, not in the Hummer but in a sedan.

Patriot, thanks. I'll take a look at it tomorrow daytime. Looks easy enough, if I have the right tools and if all the holes line up. I hate those DIY stuffs when the holes don't match up.

I am relatively excited about it. I think it will look great, a wise purchase. The shipping was super fast, 2 days.

[Darren]

Mac,

be sure to post some pictures as i'm considering doing the same on mine (I have identical brush guard / lights) and would love to see it on a similar vehicle.

thanks,

Darren

[Buckeye Hummer]

I think Hummers look much better without the brush guards, unfortunately, they are a must on the trail. Without the guard my front end would be torn up. Sometimes you just can't see your corners. Mac is probably right too, there are circumstances on pavement where they'll help.

Guys the colored grills are a must. The hummer was never meant to have a chrome grill, it just looks silly IMO. Black grill on black truck is fearless but I like them all. Everyone should post pics when they get their new grills and toss those old shiny ones. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[MAC]

I was out there for half a hour figuring this thing out.
1- The first I must do is to remove the plastic mesh (round holes) center cover, that's the piece between DRLs and under the grill.
2- It is held on by the 5 or more plastic clips.
3- I tried clamp on the clip to push it out, that didn't work.
4- I tried pull it out but fear I might break the plastic retaining clips.
5- To pull it, the hood is closed, 2nd person can't see the back of clips. If the hood is open where one can see the clip, you can't pull it.
6- So how do you pull that piece of plastic out? I can measure and mark the clip spots. Just pull?

a- I see the guard is bolted on by 2 big screws to each hood hinge, I can get to them if I remove the center plastic cover.
b- Offroad lights can be pulled in 1 second.
c- The grill is the easy part, held on by 4 screws.

Thanks.

[Patriot]

Not to sound cross but CAN'T YOU READ??

I described it twice now...JUST PULL THE DAMN THING OFF!!

The front lower grill JUST PULLS OFF....GENTLY

I SAY AGAIN...IT JUST PULLS OFF.

I had mine off numerous times by JUST PULLING IT OFF!!!

I'd try JUST PULLING IT OFF....

OK? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[FrgMstr]

I used a pair of 90 degree pliers to squeeze a couple of the clips from the back with the hood open and pushed it loose. Once one clip is loose, just push/pull it out gently and the others will pop out easily.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[MAC]

I saw it in your previous post, easy for you to say, just pull it off.
I PULLED and IT is not OFF. Surely I can pull harder, guess they won't break?
Will try again.

I manage the finances and investment of several clubs and lodges I belong to, its volunteer no pay services, and after all these years I am getting tired of doing them. I can't get other members to take over, I tried to explain the numbers and accountings, it is so simple and easy, but I cannot understand why most of them do not understand the numbers. It is just like me trying to pull that plastic off the Hummer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[MAC]

OK, I got the cover off, just pulled it hard. I even got the grill off but can't get it OFF without the brush guard off.
I can't get the 4 big screws (guard) to move. I am off to a local gas station, they must have the air driven tools to take the guard off in one minute. I'll just pay the guy to do it. Ya gotta have the right tool.

[FrgMstr]

I just removed and reinstalled my grill and replaced my chrome grill with the black in less than 40 minutes and all I used was ratchet and two sockets and a pair of pliers.

Pictures tomorrow when I get some in good light.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[MAC]

All it took was $10. I won't mess with with it again, just pay the guy to do it. It was as stupid as trying to be your own lawyer in the court.

[MAC]

Raining this morning and will rain heavy again tonight, so I didn't wash the big black beautiful Hummer. But it is very negro now, me much like.

[H2 Daddy]

Looks great Mac. You know what the funny thing is? If our H2s only originally came with the colored grills we would all be going crazy over the "new for 04" chrome grills.

[Buckeye Hummer]

Hmmm, I don't know about that. It appears most on this board hate chrome. I don't know why GM ever put a chrome grill on there in the first place. All H1's obviously have same colored grills so I'm not sure who missed the design cue.

[MAC]

It has been proven again and again that chrome is popular in the US. The first thing European auto makers do when sending their cars over is to add lots of chrome. There were cases some cars were introduced here with black grill and black window frames ended up failure. Another example is to look at the ebay Hummer parts and acessories, 99.999% of the items are chrome, the basic law of supply and demand made it so. Businesses don't make the mistake of selling chrome when majority of buyers want black, if they did, businesses correct the mistakes promptly.

I think chrome or tons of chrome look nice, I have no negative opinion about them, just not for me. If suddenly everyone loves black and go solid black, then I'll have to rethink my taste and change my taste to all chrome. It is to my benefit that most people love chrome and stay that way. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Buckeye Hummer]

Well, you're right and wrong. Chrome is popular on most cars but not a Hummer. Obviously suddenly everyone did like black (or same color grills) because GM offered them after only 1 year of H2 sales. That tells me that had some focus groups telling them to dump the chrome and they did (I know color is an option not standard)? Yes, most accessories for the H2 are chrome, however, the dealers I have been to have told me they can't move it (chrome accessories) at all. The change has arrived. Several folks on this board have even blacked out their wheels and those are aluminum!

I will admit though I saw the new Chevy sports car (replacement for the camaro) and it had brushed aluminum door handles that looked very nice. The added touch brought the appeal of that car up significantly for me. So, chrome for some just not Hummers.

[MAC]

I have the same dilemma buying hand guns, chrome or black, black or chrome. The basic rule for me is solid black everything, but them those stainless steel barrels are so beautiful.

I have not looked at eBay site for Hummer for many months, did it today, all 30+ pages, I am glad to report I have no black accessories to buy. Almost everything is chrome, saved a lot of time and money for me.

[Centerfire]

Now Mac.. I'm going to take a chance. ( MIght get yelled at again. I carry Kimbers for work and off duty.. My primary is a Pro CDP witht eh upper in brushes chrome and lower anidized(sp) Louisiana Pimp blue.. thought I was going to get a Blue vet .. Instead I got the red H2.. So my back up /off duty is a Ultra CDP, the upper is bright chrome and the lower is H2 Hummer Red.

Ok . Jump on me.. I know they are Pimp daddy but I like them.. Oh just so they can rally jump on me My Glk 22 was hard chromes and the lower was aztec yellow to match my S2000, with flames... Ok go!

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MAC:
I have the same dilemma buying hand guns, chrome or black, black or chrome. The basic rule for me is solid black everything, but them those stainless steel barrels are so beautiful.

I have not looked at eBay site for Hummer for many months, did it today, all 30+ pages, I am glad to report I have no black accessories to buy. Almost everything is chrome, saved a lot of time and money for me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[MAC]

I do not jump on nor yell at real or fake cop or pimp or pimp daddy with guns. You guys go ahead, I'll watch. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Detonate]

Mac, what would be the point in selling say Aftermarket Black Side vents to replace your standard black side vents.

Now if the standard ones were chrome, maybe you'd see something different on eBay

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

[MAC]

I am pretty sure those are mostly professional sellers of fancy super shiny chrome accessories. BTW, my chrome grill is for sale on eBay, so you guys hold your fire, wait a week before you list your chrome grill so we don't flood the market; so far my chrome grill is the only grill. Thanks. Maybe I'll get $1000 for my chrome grill, you think? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Dick Renaud]

Centerfire,
The only thing wrong with your choices is that you make a greate target.
I like the all black stealth look. All my Glocks are BLACK.
I do have a satin S&W 4006 and a S&W 340 in matte silver.
Black or Pewter and Black work best for me.

But we will always be able to find you.

[Centerfire]

Thanks.. I don't mind being a target for googd clean fun.. I've been around firearms for over 30 years.. I've been in the firearms business since 1985.. I have to have the pimp guns made just to keep interested in the business.. Plus I usually have a pimp daddy gun made to see what kind of response I get.. Rarely do I get someone to have the balls to give me any real input if they don't like it.. I do happen to like my Hummer Red CDP.. I did the Yellow Glock with flames and the previous GOld plated Glock strictly too see if anyone would make a negative comment to my face. Sone folks just ain't no fun.. Most people liked the ugly SOB's..
Hell years ago we had an AK47 chrome plated and sold for 3 times what it was worth.. As a joke we took a nasty Jennings , glued some sites on the side and put a laser on it.. I had the guys put it on display for an absolutely nutty price.. We had people try to buy the damn thing.. So if yo pick on my pimp daddy guns doesn't bother me at all.. In fact if you aren't carefull I just may start posting pix of them and put them in the H2 section rather then the unrelated spot.

YOu all have a safe and Happy Holiday

It's bedtime fore us old folks.

Mike

[Dick Renaud]

I would like to see pics.
Now that I am an old fart PI I have to keep a low profile with the black Glock. I work in Detroit alot and the bright flashy guns make a good target for the gang bangers and stoners.

[Navigator]

Although this really does not compliment my sealth H2 theme I just had to have this 500 from S&W's Performance shop.
http://www.archeryproshop.com/500.jpg

Rich

2004 H2 Adventure w/Corsa Sport.
2003 Nisan Murano
2003 Lincoln Navigator (for Sale)
2001 Ford Lightning W/mods
1999 F-350 W/mods
1999 Yukon Denali (for sale)

[Dick Renaud]

Now that would be great in Detroit. They would drop thier MAC-10s and run and hide.
Actually, two of those would look cool. One slung over each sholder. I might have to get back in uniform for that.

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
All that said, I can't say as I'm keen on nickel plated pimp guns, but do carry a satin hard chrome pistol;<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know about carrying satin hard chrome pistols, it will make you look like a drug dealer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[Centerfire]

Yep I wish we could get more.. they are in the land of backorder. We've turned down more then 10-15 people this week alone.

I will try a shoot pix of my pimp guns .
Yep keeping a low profile in Detroit is a good idea..


Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Navigator:
Although this really does not compliment my sealth H2 theme I just had to have this 500 from S&W's Performance shop.
http://www.archeryproshop.com/500.jpg

Rich

2004 H2 Adventure w/Corsa Sport.
2003 Nisan Murano
2003 Lincoln Navigator (for Sale)
2001 Ford Lightning W/mods
1999 F-350 W/mods
1999 Yukon Denali (for sale)
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[Centerfire]

Phil.. it is always nice that when they hold up your gun in the grand jury.. that it is a pretty one.. PS Having mine look like a drug dealers is one of my reasons not as big as having it match my
H2

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrgMstr:
I don't know about carrying satin hard chrome pistols, it will make you look like a drug dealer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Touché http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The only people who will see it will be dead almost immediately afterwards. If their final moments are spent contemplating the profession of someone with a sissy satin chrome pistol, I shan't lose much sleep over it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FrgMstr:
I don't know about carrying satin hard chrome pistols, it will make you look like a drug dealer. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Touché http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The only people who will see it will be dead almost immediately afterwards. If their final moments are spent contemplating the profession of someone with a sissy satin chrome pistol, I shan't lose much sleep over it http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Also, be advised that a few of us are getting together in Gilmer on the 17th and the wheeling looks to be a ton of fun.

Would be great to see some of you guys from down south. I do intend to make it down to your Devil's Den soon. Hopefully next go round.

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Black 2003 H2 - Just like most of yours, just possibly with less crap bolted on.

My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[Detonate]

Maybe we should do another K-Rocks trip soon. Further for us, but closer for you all.

That place was bad ass, and I was disappointed that all I got to do was maybe 1/2 a trail.

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2003 Red H2 equipped with Tough Country Heavy Duty Armor Series Front End with Winch, Rear Bumper, Brush Guard, and Roof Rack.

[FrgMstr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Detonate:
Maybe we should do another K-Rocks trip soon.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think after Gilmer I am going to hit Nacona on the first Saturday in February (the 1st) when it is open to the public.

Day trips are easier for me. I will have a wife and two kids (19 months and 3 years) in tow.

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My job: http://www.HardOCP.com

[Centerfire]

That's Purttie.. You may want to lose the bayonet before you use it.. If not we charge $150.00 an hour to testify for people. We have a 200 page study shoing the value of the 223 round for urban use. YOu should look in a new forearm, either the Surefire or one of the new units with the 4 picq. rails. Then you can put a Trijican Reflex 2, a laser, etc. ..

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Centerfire:
Phil.. it is always nice that when they hold up your gun in the grand jury.. that it is a pretty one.. PS Having mine look like a drug dealers is one of my reasons not as big as having it match my
H2<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. Which is why I use this as my home defense gun;

http://www.philday.com/firearms/images/ColtAR.jpg

I figure any jury would see it as something anyone would use to protect their family http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You are right though, there is a lot to be said for having a gun that looks like grandpa's ol' gov model.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Centerfire]

Cool.. Actually the study Iwas referring to found that the 223 40gr hollow point has less over penetration in an urban enviroment than the average 9mm Hollow point.. For this reason many of the Swat teams are looking to go back to the 5.56 for entry teams.. So they can mix mags with 40 gr hollow point and 55 or 65 gr solid projectiles..

However for the average consumer. you are correct in going with a less intimadating looking defensive firearm..

Mike<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PhilD:
Mike, I don't use that home defense, walls aren't thick enough and neighbors are too close, but it is kept ready to go (without the bayonet). I have a FP1201 with a Surefire and a Glock 17 with M3 set aside for home defense. But I also have other firearms in strategic places where I may need them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[PARAGON]

It's always good to have "layers" of defense. My second layer is Miko:

[PARAGON]

Then, I agree with Phil. I have hand guns around the house for last line of defense in the home. I fire one of my handguns nearly every weekend at varmints and what not.

Never thought about custom paint on guns. Mike have you posted pictures yet. I am either black, blued or try to buy alot of stainless so as to not worry about any rust. To keep this thread on custom grills going, anyone suppress a high powered cartridge like .300 Win Mag? I've read several places where a suppressed rifle is more accurate and makes the shooter more accurate because you don't jump the muzzle blast.

[PARAGON]

Phil,

A friend sent me an article, and I must have deleted it. But it was an article written by someone who trains law enforcement snipers. It went into great detail of the benefits of a large 2 point can on a .300 Win Mag. Reduced sound signature at the muzzle, reduced recoil and it also said something about controlling the gas and making a barrel more accurate hot or cold. His overall point was that a suppressed .300 Win Mag will have a smaller group shot after shot than one not suppressed.

I haven't made it past 500 yards on a head target and find that on some days that I can't hold a group together at 100 yards much less 500. Peculiar enough, I am more accurate with a Browning A-bolt with BOSS, than with the Rem 700. Even wearing protection the ported BOSS will ring your ears after several shots.

[Centerfire]

Depends if you are talking flash or sound suppression..It was found at Camp Perry that the new Ar 15's without the Flash suppressors were a bit more accurate, it is a bit to techno for me. I would have to ask my Gunssmith. Silencers will reduce speed of projectiles.. In a 9mm HK it slows down a 147gr sub sonic apprx 100-150 fps. We had a shooting 3-4 years ago.. One of our Swat team hit the bad guy in the head after going thru his hand. The Puke looks at him and says" MF'er you shot me" as he was raising his handgun.. The deputy put three more in the chest and he went down..

Paragon.. I to believe in layers of defense.. My only problem is that the dog that rides with me is 130 lbs of hair and slobber wrapped up in a NewFoundland package. Shes big , however her Idea of attack is to lick them to death. But she is a blast to use when tricking a car stop into believing she is a Drug dog.. We had one guy confess to some weed because he didn't want that big ole dog on his leather.

I have attempted to attach the pix of my two skittles guns. Orange on is in the works to match the 69 Chev PU my son talkedme into getting.

Phil D. Yep that's what is nice about this site.. aothough I believe I've stuck with the H2 theme as my CDP is colored to match my H2.. SO i hope I don't get yelled at and have my one felling bruised.

Everyone have a safe and happy holiday.. I just hope my darn new brushguard I ordered for my Christmas shows up in time.

Mike