A day with Disco's!!!!

[Steve R]

Today I went offroading....but a lot of things were different. I did not coordinate nor lead this event...and I was the only Hummer there!

A friend of mine invited me to join his group for a nice Sunday of off-roading through the Angeles mountains. His group, the Southern California Land Rover club.

I entered the meeting area and quickly found myself getting strange looks....what was I doing there? who was this non-Land Rover? Did he get lost on his way to pick up the kids from the soccer game, or perhaps lost on the way to the market????

I quickly found myself face-to-face with about 38 Land Rovers, some very impressive and formiddable vehicles: D90's, D110's and other modified LR's. Truly...I had entered the Lions Lair...

They had their drivers meeting and towards the end the trail leader announced a "special guest".....he introduced me as the president of the Southern California Hummer Owner Group. Sheesh....now the whole darn Hummer name-sake is riding on me...cause you expect something more from a "president".

As you can imagine, that pretty much kicked-off a nice spree of teasing, joking and razzling. They were a friendly bunch, but still....the teasing commenced. It was about 82 of them to just 1 of me.

We pulled out from the parking lot and proceeded towards the trail. The anonimity of the CB lent towards an increased level of jest towards me and my rig:

Did the H2 roll over yet? Did the H2 run out of gas? Did the H2 get stuck? Did the H2 take-off to get some groceries.....you can imagine. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

We hit the trail and after about a 1/2-hour we came to the "Big Nasty"...a steep hill, about 90 feet long and full of deep ruts. It was ugly!

The first rig up was a really sharp D90 all done-up with the goodies. He struggled here and there and slowly made his way. It got a bit hairy here and there but he was basically making forward progress.....then it got really bad!

The D90's front left wheel got way up in the air and he reeled way back on his right-side.....he was about to roll over for sure!!! Everybody was freakin' and the rig was tettering on the verge of going over. Guys jumped on the front left and desperately mobilized to salvage a catastrophe.

A kid was coming up the hill just in the roll-path of the vehicle and I had to fly into emergency leadership role. They struggled and finally got the D90 more secure. He continued up the hill and had a few more problems...it really was scary but he finaly made it.

The next vehicle was a Discovery. He made it about 1/4 the way up the hill and almost lost it too. We were lucky to get his butt down the hill....he backed down and cheated certain disaster...no way that thing was gonna do it: not...even...close!

The next up was the big-bad-boy: a Range Rover with some lift, modfiications and some goodies. He took another path and made some good progress...but soon enough he was stuck, sliding and getting sideways. Some many minutes, lots of dust and coaching...he actually made it up the hill. His width helped keep him away from the near-rolling his cousins endured. Still..lots of wheel-slipping, mediocre articulation and a struggle that barely got him up after quite some time.

That was it. Nobody else wanted any piece of this hill. The trail-leader called out to mobilize....that's when I stopped him and announced I was going up. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No sooner did he repeat back to me "Your going up?"....did the word spread like fire that "The Hummer" was going to try. Everyone got excited...as they were so sure the grocery-getter was about to befall a dreadful fate.

Not this Hummer, Not this driver, Not today....it was time to open-up a can of whoop-ass and lay down some sweet Hummer music on these guys.

As I walked down the aisle of rigs I was questioned: Are you really going to try that hill? Do you think you'll make it? Are you sure you want to do this????

I pointed to the hill and said "I'm not going to try to make it...I'm going to take my Hummer and eat that hill up like it's my bitch!!!!....my H2 is gonna grind, claw and gnarl her way to the top with no problems at all. I will own that hill. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

And that's how it was...I told several of them I was going to cake-walk that nasty hill and run right through it. I thought of MAC and considered if this was a time to let some sunshine radiate from my inner soul. No...this was a time to kick some ass and represent for the H-pack!!!!

I took my rig and brought her to rest at the bottom of the hill. I activated the rear height control and let that go to town. Dropping the t-case into 4-low I reached over and engaged the rear locker. Both my co-pilot (Bill Martin) and I instantly agreed on the proper lines...it was like we were reading eachothers minds...

I wish I had a video or pics...but we were busy laying it down. The H2 came right up through the first nasty section with no hesitation at all. My back end was getting air here and there...but I kept my line and drove the hill. There was never a hestiation, not an single instance of problem...the H2 ate through that hill like Rosie O'Donnel at a buffet: UNSTOPPABLE...truly Like nothing else.

We blasted our way right upto the top instantly....not a single tire-slip. The crowd went wild and they cheered me. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I turned around and came back down to find a warm reception....except for someone who told me I took an easier way and got lucky.....

So I turned around and went to the other side of the same hill. I proceeded to go right through it without a problem...only this time I decided not to do it all pretty and gassed my way like a hog gone wild to the top of the hill...where I greeted the hill-top people with a rousing "ya'all can kiss my Hummer ass!!!!" just before my dust-cloud came upon them and dusted 'em.

I then went back down the hill (having twice cake-walking what they barely stuggled to make up with near catastrpohe).....and proceeded to put my rig into Reverse. Yep....reverse. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I then started backing up the hill in reverse...completely moving through the area that stopped the Disco and nearly rolled it...the H2 didn't want to stop...she climbed in reverse as well as she did going forward!

My co-pilot didn't feel comforatble and urged me to stop. All we could see what blue-sky out the rear and those ruts could swallow a quad...the wrong move would spoil our fun...so I came down the hill having gone about 1/2-way up it.

I then got out of the H2 and asked...."Are there any Disco's that would like to take a crack at this hill????"....."Nobody?...cause we're at that point where it's time to put-up or shut-up and this is headed back to the web"....nope....no takers.

There was this one guy who was teasing the heck out of me previously...I went up to him: "Hey....you did really well on that hill..didn't you. No. Wait. As I recall you didn't go up that hill at all...did you????"...he laughed, but I had his number!

Now I want to be clear about this, it's hard to read the text and catch the mood. At all times it was friendly and we were all having fun. The LR crew was very congratulatory and whole-hearted about the whole thing. They asked if I was modified and were surprised to find that I was just plain stock...except my bumper sticker which reads "don't follow me, you won't make it". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The trail-leader congratulated me and told me I had showed them all up. And wouldn't you know it...the rest of the day I didn't hear a single more heckle!

and That's pretty much how we do that!!!

[Steve R]

Pictures alone do not convey the depth of those ruts and the steepness of this monster hill!!!!

Unfortunately we don't have pics of the vehicle about to roll...but you have something to look at. Here's the D90 about to get into major trouble, he'll list to his right and fall into the rut...

[Steve R]

Here's the Disco about to eat it...

[Steve R]

Range Rover having issues

[Steve R]

notice how mellow that last pic looked??? Here's the Range Rover getting into it..

[Steve R]

D90 coming down

[Steve R]

more

[Steve R]

the only one I have of me...I'll ask them if they have any of me.

[Steve R]

classic

[Steve R]

hehehe....he who laughs last......

[Steve R]

I invited some of them to join us on our upcoming White Mountain event...we'll see what happens....

I watched the Disco's and can honestly say that they are entirely in a different catagory from the H2 in terms of capability. Their track is too narrow and their butts hand-out too far. They were all over the place, very poor side-slope and mediocre articulation: could not keep up with me, not even close! Even their modified couldn't match me.

Given all the slams we've taken from Disco owners in the past....I'm laying this issue to rest. No comparison, the Hummer whooped the heck out of them all today, hands down, iron-clad, done-deal.

Great guys, nice vehicles, but the question still stands......who's next?

[DennisAJC]

STEVE,

I`m ****ing crying right now man....

I LOVE YOU!!!!

DO YOU HEAR ME WORLD!!!! I LOVE THIS MAN! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[Steve R]

Dennis...

From one cocky-bastard to another...I love ya too brother! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I suspect this may jeopardize my being invited to another one of their outtings...and my welcome status on their website....but..well...you know!

It was sooooo cool. Some of them were just completely blown away and had no idea how capable the H2 is. And ya know...in the end, I told them that I didn't design, engineer, build manufacture of have anything to do with the H2....why take crazy-stupid pride in something that you just buy?

No..wait, I'm full of ****...I rubbed their noses in it but good!!!! hehehehehe.

Alec...yeah...White Mountain is Sept 28th....hmmmm, maybe we could munch a few taco's while out there?

Ya know...rock-crawling is owned by short wheel-based vehicles....but outside of that...I'm enjoying the heck out of my H2 and my club. Whether it's the beach, the desert or the mountains...this thing just continues to impress the heck out of me...and I can honestly say I've met some of the greatest people in the world through this hobby!!!

Thanks guys!

[RasterMaster]

Great post, as always, Steve!

Question for Rovers and Tacos:

Do ya wanna run with the Big Dog, or stay under the porch?

Check out the OkC Chapter Page!

[Buckeye Hummer]

Way to go Steve! Now I'm bummed I missed this one but kids birthday duty was on my honeydo list this weekend!

It sounds like the disco guys are pretty cool and certainly professional. I hope a few of them come to ride the WHITE MOUNTAIN!

[SOCAL XMER]

so kids what have we all learned here today? HUMMERS freaken RULE!!!!!!

I want an H3!
XM satellite radio,killing AM and FM one sub at a time!

[Steve R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
It sounds like the disco guys are pretty cool and certainly professional. I hope a few of them come to ride the WHITE MOUNTAIN!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spoken like a guy who just got his brand spankin' new winch!!!! We'll get a few Disco's on the mountain with us...should be fun.

I really like the Disco-boys, they're a class act.

[Buckeye Hummer]

I always liked those D90's. They were the toughest looking of the bunch.

So the one that was about to roll, was it driver, wheelbase, incline. C'mon pro, give us your best assessment.

[DRTYFN]

Nice going, Steverino!!! And you wonder why the tacos don't show up?
Grocery-getters? Sure, if the store's at the top of a nasty f*cking hill!!!

[DURAMAX TIM]

Steve, we just got back from the OH HH.
I picked up a spare set of 35x12.5-16.5 General MT.
When I put them on I gave the front end 2 turns on the torsion bars.
I noticed a lot of improvement over the AT on the muddy hill climbs and the twisting pits.
I could see the difference in height when we were all parked side by side.
I think this will give a little more articulation too.

[ticket2ride]

Awesome, Steve!

What's most impressive is that you did that with a bone-stock truck. Especially extra impressive that you did it with the stock BFG 35" All Terrains.

Also, consider, /after/ the trail when all you folks do use your trucks to get groceries, guess which is the nicest to get groceries in? The HUMMER!

[Hum2]

Hey Steve:

EEExxxccceeelllllleeennnttt!!!

Ric

OMAHOG/IHOG
Hum2@cox.net

[buddy]

Way to go Steve!!! I wish I could have seen the faces on the.....you know those other guys at the bottom of the hill.

I kept thinking you we're going the end the story with, " I must have dozed off, How long was I out". http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Great ending. I love it!!

[Fistville]

Where did you find that bumpersticker steve?

[HummerGirl]

I am laughing my ass off at this story! Am printing it off for our HH next saturday for folks to read! It's great!!!

Way to go Steve! You Rock!

I am going to have Quick Stickers print up one of those to go with my "Pavement Princess?" sticker I have on file. Too funny!!

~amy
White 2003 H2
Got Soap? (http://www.ClayandSoapStudio.com)

[RMST]

Outstanding!

[DougW]

Steve,

Your charge up the hill was truely awesome. If I hear about a video of it I'll do my best to capture it and forward to you!

BTW, here's my run up the same hill on June 7th. My V8 1993 110's long wheelbase helped, and remember I'm running open front & rear diffs! ;-)

http://www.kangol.net/lwb/movies/CIMG1060.AVI

PS: Marsha loved her ride in your rig -- you definitely had the comfort factor down.


PPS: Basically, Defenders, Hummmers, Disco's, Jeeps are all different trucks and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. It's a shame the rivalry gets a little ugly sometimes, and for that I apologize for the Rover community. If I had to run from San Diego to Costa Rica (something I want to do someday) I think I'd pick a diesel 110 over any of 'em -- but that truck is sadly not available in the U.S.

Then there's Carrie (forget her last name), owner of a highly modified D-90 rock crawler that routinely wins big rock competitions in places like Johnson Valley here in CA. These super-agressive Land Rover owners rarely turn out for trip events -- always perferring to invest their time in organized competitions where the modified Jeeps, custom rods and Defenders square off.


But you, my friend, will always remain King of the HILL!! It was a great to have you along Sunday! Hope I can join you on a Hummer expedition one day.

Best,

Doug Walker
Trip Leader

[Jason]

Steve,

That is a great story, I too was expecting "...and then I woke up ..." ending. Don't know if you could have dreamt it better.


Doug,

WELCOME ABOARD - always good to have the "good Disco owers" around.

Jason

[DRTYFN]

See, we can all j-j-just g-g-g-get along.
It's just the uninformed and ignorant that look upon the H2 with disdain and call it a Tahoe. If they'd read the entire article about the frame of the H2 maybe they'd understand why it was configured the way it is. Oh well, we can always explain it to them as we go by and they're stuck. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Welcome Doug. Good to have you on board.

[Buckeye Hummer]

Doug,

Congratulations on being the professional dude I thought Rover owners to be! I have talked with Steve extensively about getting more rover folk on our outings. We seem to get along quite well and seeing the strengths and weaknesses of each vehicle is a worthy discussion over lunch at the end of a good run!

So, are any of you guys coming to the White Mountain run? It's a fantastic run with diverse terrain and some good challenges. Hope to see you there.

[Steve R]

Hey Doug...

First you have H2's coming to your events...now your slumming on an H2 forum...what's next???? Before you know it, you'll be hanging with Jeepers and competing for how far you can spit chewing tobacco! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It was fun having your wife aboard the H2. At first I was thinking of using her to blackmail you for a case of drinks (for her return)....but not long into the trail she started complaining about when lunch was, how much further, why do we have to stop for the slow-movers.......that's when it dawned on me that perhaps I'd be offering you the case of drinks.... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Nah...she was great!! (and displayed excellent taste in vehicle preference http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

What surprised me was actually how shocked your group was about the H2...they honestly couldn't conceive of its offroad abilities. I suppose I'm just used to it....I myself was a bit skeptical before buying the H2...but it continues to impress me, hardcore H1er's and even outside-brand owners alike.

I really liked your group...some great people there....a great time was had by all...some more then others... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DRTYFN]

Doug,
Tell the cameraman that if he wasn't screwing around with his cigarette he wouldn't have nearly dropped the camera.

[DougW]

Just keeping my options open. I might get excommunicated from www.d-90.com (http://www.d-90.com) and www.discoweb.com (http://www.discoweb.com) for inviting you along! ;-)

I like Jeepers -- wouldn't miss the Corva Poker Run every year. It's Beyond Thunderdome.

See ya on the trails,

Doug

[DiscoDancingRover]

I wished I lived in Cal so i could go with you guys. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Anyway great story steve. And Doug nice to see you here. Gotta love other rover owners on here.

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

[Steve R]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DougW:
See ya on the trails<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not if they involve getting up a big nasty hill you won't... http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Rory]

Doug,

Your link to www.discoweb.com (http://www.discoweb.com) doesn't take you to a website that's at all related to Disco's.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DougW:
Just keeping my options open. I might get excommunicated from http://www.d-90.com and http://www.discoweb.com for inviting you along! ;-)

I like Jeepers -- wouldn't miss the Corva Poker Run every year. It's Beyond Thunderdome.

See ya on the trails,

Doug<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rory
'94 Hummer
www.roryroberts.com (http://www.roryroberts.com)
St. Charles, MO

[DiscoDancingRover]

It is www.discoweb.org (http://www.discoweb.org)

"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

[RockYoda]

Are you sure you want Tacos on the run? I wouldn't want your feelings hurt after such a good run with some Discos. lol If its ok i would like to tag-a-long and maybe bring some friends too. Let me know...

[HummerGirl]

okay I have been gone too long..what the hell is a TACO???? some kind of mexican jeep???

~amy
White 2003 H2
Got Soap? (http://www.ClayandSoapStudio.com)

[Kevin B]

Hummergirl, it's short for a Toyota Tacoma. Thats where the "Taco" comes from.

Steve tell me that wasn't Ho and Scrover and I won't call B.S on your storyhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[SuperPoser]

very well writen dude!

that hill looks fun!
be pretty nasty if it was muddy...
I know how pics don't do it justice...
I've got a movie of me doing a step-up hill, not that big, but 3, 3-4' cliffs in it...
easy when its dry, a lot more difficult when its wet...

anyways, I've got a movie of it, and it looks very easy...


http://www.pa-tacomas.com/videos.html

there's also a movie of marshall jumping his rig before he sas'ed it...

http://www.eng.ysu.edu/~melliott/hobbies.htm

[Ted]

That long wheelbase, and IFS comes in handy sometimes http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[HummerGirl]

ooooooooooooooohhhh....HAHAHAHAAA!!!

That 'splains it all!!!

Oh man did I have a great time today! They just cut half a mile out into the woods in our neighborhood to connect to an existing branch of the hood. Nice and muddy! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and so was my H2. You know you are having fun when the mud splashes over the sunroof!!!

I will hate to see paving trucks driving by in a few months.

~amy
White 2003 H2
Got Soap? (http://www.ClayandSoapStudio.com)

[Steve R]

Jason...

900 "views" in less then 24 hours...this is bigger then that time Alec posted naked pics of Britney Spears!

[traveltoad]

Hey Steve,
It was great to see an H2 out on the trail and to see what it can really do in the hands of a capable driver. It's always a lot more to do a multi-make run. Every vehicle has strengths and weaknesses and I enjoy seeing what they all are. I won't be able to make this weekends run with you but hopefully I'll see you out there.

PS: I you every need an invite to another SoCal LR run let me know!

Toad ('03 Disco)

[tanklizard]

Maybe the Discovery Channel will turn this into a TV special. I can see it now, "Driving with Discos." It would rate right up there with "Waliking with Dinosaurs." http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[scrover]

"Steve tell me that wasn't Ho and Scrover and I won't call B.S on your story"

Well Steve, was it? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Kevin B]

Scrover,

Good to hear from you! Thanks for the "tug" at Truckhaven http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif(even though you pulled yourself up the hill)

So this is what it took to get you on this board huh. The second and third pictures kinda looked like your rig and Ho's rig( it could be a twinkie) with the exception of all the clutter on the roof rack, but due to the outcome im thinking NOT http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Look forward to another adventure when it cools down a bit. BTW do you think you could have made that hill http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
-Kevin-

[scrover]

"Thanks for the "tug" at Truckhaven (even though you pulled yourself up the hill)"

Yeah, what was I thinking? And what where you thinking, my rig is still black. Ho was not present BTW.

"BTW do you think you could have made that hill"

Of course - eventually http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Steve

[Kevin B]

Yah, sorry about that color thing, its a dyslexia problem iI thinkhttp://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[argonaut]

Wow, I am really impressed! People that drive other trucks on here amicably and not being trolls. Thank you disco people. You have class.

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

[Steve R]

Some of them have class and are great people....BUT you should see what they're saying over on the DiscoWeb....

One pathetic individual is making up all sorts of excuses. He claims there were a bunch of newbies and dangerous conditions that prohibited them from running the hill. He asserts that I'm a "dumb-****" for challenging a bunch of beginners to follow me. I've already had several apologies from LR-members for his behavior.

Let's get something straight: they had lots of formiddable and built vehicles with experienced drivers. After seeing a Defender 90 almost roll, a Disco miserably fail and not even come close and a Range Rover struggle and barely make it.....they were rightfully scared. Frankly, I acknowledge that they were smart: I wouldn't even try to run a Disco up that hill.

When I got to the top of that hill...several people greeted me and congratulated me. One guy came up and said "Oh my God....you just came right up that hill without a single hesitation...it just went right up!!!". I did it twice and half-way up backwards.

Some people just can't handle the truth!!!

[DougW]

Steve,

You are killing me here. Any locked truck (and I mean truck not car) can make it up that hill with proper talent behind the wheel. Comeon, I made it unlocked.

Enough is enough.

Doug
D110

[Big Z]

Here we go again! http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Just Keep Pokeing A snake, And they Will Strike.

[argonaut]

now this is getting ugly...

'03 H2 Sunset Orange No mods
'03 BMW M3 Convertible
'02 BMW M5

[DougW]

Say goodbye.

[Buckeye Hummer]

Oh yeah Doug well here's what we think of all you rover owners. Just a bunch of well to do smart business people out to have a fun time in a good truck. Take this picture.

[Buckeye Hummer]

And you probably live in a house like this: that oughta teach ya to come here and talk smack.

[Kevin B]

This isnt ugly argonaut, its just the way it is http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif People have had this discussion for a long time.

Steve called some guys out and when you do that some are going to come. I think this is normal and healthy. Anyone who has spent the weekend on the trail with different "brands" has played the game. It kinda sounds like a challange.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I invited some of them to join us on our upcoming White Mountain event...we'll see what happens....

I watched the Disco's and can honestly say that they are entirely in a different catagory from the H2 in terms of capability. Their track is too narrow and their butts hand-out too far. They were all over the place, very poor side-slope and mediocre articulation: could not keep up with me, not even close! Even their modified couldn't match me.

Given all the slams we've taken from Disco owners in the past....I'm laying this issue to rest. No comparison, the Hummer whooped the heck out of them all today, hands down, iron-clad, done-deal.

Great guys, nice vehicles, but the question still stands......who's next? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would love to see and participate in a gathering of all types of rigs and see how they all do.

Being the owner of a Hummer, and spending a weekend with some disco's, I PERSONALLY dont see things the way Steve saw them. The guys I went with rocked and their rigs impressed me greatly(the modified ones even made one hill I couldn't). Sufice to say I have much respect for the LR badge. This may be due to my poor driving skills or inexpierence but I felt they were a good match.

I would love to see an event put togather where we could put the keyboards away and have some fun http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif What do ya http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifthink

[DennisAJC]

I am patiently reading these posts.

It's still quite civilized...no need to jump in....just yet.....

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[scrover]

"..well here's what we think of all you rover owners. Just a bunch of well to do smart business people out to have a fun time in a good truck.."

Thanks, I've never been called a well to do smart business person before, especially not on a first date.

In reality, it's generally the opposite. Half of the Rover owners I know couldn't afford an H2. We buy older Land Rovers at rock-bottom prices (because of their reliability issues) and commit to fixing them, often on a weekly basis in order to "have a fun time in a good truck.."
It's a hobby and a passion, I'm not sure if you guys understand that.

"Some people just can't handle the truth!!!"

What's the truth here? The one H2 owner I met and wheeled with in the past was very courteous and respectful when joining one of our trips. I was impressed with the H2 and his ability - all class. So, I was quite excited to be wheeling with another H2 this last weekend. I had no doubt in the H2s ability, contrary to this owner's belief that we were all so amazed that he 'made it'. I would have been disappointed if he hadn't made the climb. The disappointment came when he opened his mouth and heckled the crowd like some white trash teenage jeepster.

The truth is, my 9 year old daughter could have dragged that fat ass (the H2s, not Steve's) up the hill, scrapping and banging on any piece of dirt bigger than a mole hill, and she can't see over the dash. Don't kid yourself Steve, it was 100% vehicle, 0% skill - all class, NOT!

Not content with just 'making it', Steve had to delay the departure of the group of 30 trucks (of which he was a guest) further by continuing the arrogant ego-fest even after our trip leader had called for us to get ready to roll. So up he went again and down again like a deranged yo-yo, oh wait, he's going up back-wards - cool.

It's not very often that we see H2s out on the trail or have the opportunity to invite one to join us. This isn't the sort of behavior we expect to see.

I guess my take on the events are not quite as dramatic as the original post, oh well. It was still a fun day in the dirt.

Steve

[Buckeye Hummer]

Scrover, the only thing I don't like about Land Rovers is that Ford owns them and I am a GM guy but that's about it, otherwise, I think they're quite capable, comfortable off-road vehicles. I did go out with one brand new disco that rather easily clawed up a hill. I was rather impressed as it did it quite effortlessly. Later in the day the disco did lose it's traction control and was grounded in terms of the rough stuff but I think that can and will happen to any of us.

As far as your comment about 0% Steve I would have to disagree. I have gone out with Steve now 3 times and EVERY time I have had difficulty in one area or another where he did not. I did get stuck at White Mountain as well 2 weeks ago and Steve winched me out from the top. It's possible that he loosened up the slope as he tore up it but I would have to say it was primarily driver skill to get up that sucker. I am amazed at what the H2 will do but don't think just anyone can jump behind the wheel and make it do tricks as I am sure is the same with rovers.

We hope to see some of you guys this Sunday.

[DRTYFN]

Scrover,
After all of the **** H2 owners have taken about the Tahoe frame, lack of 4xing ability and whatever else some ignorant SOB whats to spout off about the H2s maybe you can get a tiny bit of understanding as to why Steve rubbed it in just a little bit. Personally, it sounds a little like sour grapes that the whipping child(H2, not Steve) rose up and showed it's true colors and spanked your ass good for you. The crack about your daughter driving was really a lemon sucker.
Try to remember that we are ALL out there to have fun together.

[Drag]

Steve, all I have to say is

"Mr. Burns voice ON"

Exxxxcelen, Smithers!

"Mr. Burns voice OFF"

Corvette= "The ability to pass with class"

[scrover]

"Steve, all I have to say is

"Mr. Burns voice ON"

Exxxxcelen, Smithers!

"Mr. Burns voice OFF" "

That's probably funny, I just don't know who Mr. Burns or Smithers are http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OK, let's give Steve the benefit of the doubt and assume some off-road skills exist. I also acknowledge the **** that gets flung at the H2 from all sides - I've read a few choice posts on this board - some quite funny, others just not. What I didn't and still don't understand is why Steve chose our group to fling the **** back at. You don't get invited to a party and then tell the host the party sucks 'cause you have a bigger house. As I stated, I have no doubt in the H2s ability. I just expected a little more from the driver. And, for the record, NOBODY spanked my ass http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"It's possible that he loosened up the slope as he tore up it but I would have to say it was primarily driver skill to get up that sucker."

The skill is not to tear up the trail, not to give anybody a reason to close yet another trail, not to say "I'm going to take my Hummer and eat that hill up like it's my bitch!!!!....my H2 is gonna grind, claw and gnarl her way to the top with no problems at all. I will own that hill." You're wrong on that. There is NO skill in doing that.

"Try to remember that we are ALL out there to have fun together" your words, but I have to agree.

Steve

[jetson]

Hello All - new member and new to offroading. For the record, I own a 99 Disco with 84,000 miles on it and I have just started to play off road. I've always had the itch, but never managed my time well enough.

I looked seriously at the H2 when it first came out. I thought hard about selling my honda and disco because I love the look of the H2. Unfortunately, this economy and the resale value of the disco wouldn't allow it (yes, the $42,000 Land Rover wouldn't even sell for $15,000).

I think it's important to remember humility and "sportsmanship", for lack of a better term. I have been joining some younger folks off road and basically just watching them play in the mud with their weekend trucks. The thing that struck me is that they immediately dismissed the landrover as an expensive, barely capable vehicle made for soccer moms - sound familiar?

I wouldn't try to keep up with those folks because they drive fast and wreckless - not really that concerned with the damaging trails or their vehicles.

I've been mostly impressed with Steve's posts, videos, etc. on discoweb - albeit without knwing him personally. He seemed cool and knowledgable. I can also understand that a lot of ribbing from the anti-H2 crowd may have fuled some hostility and given hime the "go-ahead" to rub some noses.

No harm done really - he accomplished something that the other drivers couldn't do that day and he deserves credit. If feelings were hurt, it was probably a reaction to frustration more than anything else.

Wasn't Steve the guy who organized the rally at the hummer dealership? That was commendable and showed humility and conern for the sport and for people he may not have even known. I can say with relative confidence that he is a decent person and probably meant no disrespect to anyone personally.

I think I'll lurk around here some more - I hear the used H2 market is getting easier!

BTW - I love my landrover, but I've always wanted an H1!

Kenny

[Steve R]

Jetson & DRTYFN...

You guys hit it right on the mark!!!! Thanks!

This forum has endured a huge amount of attacks which also included an onslaught from the DiscoWeb whereby they firmly asserted that the Disco could run circles around an H2 AND that the Disco could follow an H2 anywhere.

That day happened like I wrote it: LR's demonstrated a pathetic inability to get up that hill. You idiots had a D90 on the verge of rolling while you carelessly let 3 people walk right up in its direct roll-path. You put lives in dangers way and nobody acted to do or say anything but me. Your welcome. Had that thing teetered just a wee bit more we'd likely be attending that kids funeral. How ignorant can ya get? The D90 is about to roll, people are screaming and a kid is 40 feet directly under its path.

I won't turn around and change my take on your group....many people were very cool and friendly...but the few who sought to tease, heckle and give me a hard time brought upon them the wraith they so richly deserved. You guys could barely get 2 rigs up that hill...while I was able to cake-walk that thing effortlessly, twice. And the second time without my rear-locker!

"Oh gee....we teased him and gave him ****...and when he turned around and proved us wrong now it's time to cry and whine about it"

Doug made the hill unlocked, but you can see in the video it was ugly and the cameraman's voice pretty much expresses how firmly he made it....lots of praying there! I suspect I know why he didn't try that hill again the day we ran it!!

What I'm hearing is a HUGE amount of exaggeration and excuses from these guys. I held up 30 vehicles from leaving? please...my use of reverse took all of 1 minute. What about the time we wasted driving in city streets while you guys struggled to find the trailhead? Course, they used that time wisely to further heckle me and the H2.

Is that your idea of how to treat a guest? By outright teasing, heckling and insulting his rig???? Oppps...we certainly wouldn't want to take a look at ourselves...now would we?

I went on that run to check-out a potential new trail and just have some fun. I helped with keeping things safe, took an interest in assisting the broken-down vehicle and helped direct traffic. I complimented many vehicles and went on that trip to prove nothing. Instead I was met with arrogance, snobbery, elitism and a challenge that I answered.

Everybody knows my write-up was sensationalized with humor and a bit of home-town pride....seriously: these toys are all just 4 rubber wheels turning....variations in vehicle dimensions, set-up and terrain will dictate different results....and of course the driver is the key.

Scrotum, I mean Scrover....your insults have no foundation whatsoever. How could you determine my skills at offroading? And let me ask you this: which one were you....one of the 2 LR's that barely made it up and almost met catastrophe...or were you one of the chicken ****s running your mouth at the bottom of the hill? Since you didn't "put-up"...I'd encourage you to "shut-up".

I've already been banned from the LR website having posted nothing at all....so you boys can spend all your time relishing in your triumphant rhetoric in dealing with your being beaten.

You were out-driven, out-machined and out-classed. Now copy & paste that to your little Dweb and smoke it. You got beaten and whipped...deal with it!

Any further comments can be answered by Dennis or DRTYFN.

[DRTYFN]

Good to have you on board, Jetson. By chance, you don't have a dog named Astro, do you? Lame, sorry.
You've been lurking for how long and this is your first post?!! Dear God, we'll take you on trade for Chris(Disco owner that's a worthless, bad-spelling troll pain-in-the-ass). You can be our newest bestest friend and Disco owner.

[HeeHaw]

Scrover said "The disappointment came when he opened his mouth and heckled the crowd like some white trash teenage jeepster.

The truth is, my 9 year old daughter could have dragged that fat ass (the H2s, not Steve's) up the hill, scrapping and banging on any piece of dirt bigger than a mole hill, and she can't see over the dash. Don't kid yourself Steve, it was 100% vehicle, 0% skill - all class, NOT!

Not content with just 'making it', Steve had to delay the departure of the group of 30 trucks (of which he was a guest) further by continuing the arrogant ego-fest even after our trip leader had called for us to get ready to roll. So up he went again and down again like a deranged yo-yo, oh wait, he's going up back-wards - cool.

It's not very often that we see H2s out on the trail or have the opportunity to invite one to join us. This isn't the sort of behavior we expect to see."

That behavior was getting your ass kicked and kicked good!

I don't wheel very often, but I have and will again when I feel like it. But I know an ass whoop'n when I see it, hear it and read it!

Steve, Hummer Steve that is, You ROCK!

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

[Buckeye Hummer]

Scrover,

I hate it when my posts get picked apart. I really don't want to discuss semantics. Yes I said "tore" no that doesn't mean Steve literally destroyed the trail dumping trash along the way while he discarded his cigarette into the brush and bounced gas out of open gas cans. We are just having fun. Steve is having fun when he talks about it. Please don't take it so seriously and please don't take the words so literally. It's not exciting to say "I gradually went up the dusty incline while stopping only to ensure that I not did not scratch a rock" We are a bunch of guys and gals having fun let's keep it that way.

[DRTYFN]

Scrot,
Upon second review of your post, my call stands, You're a whining little bitch that got shown up and doesn't like the taste of crow. Half the distance to the goal, First down!!
If you're part of a group that is talking **** and teasing someone about their rig, and said rig does what your's can't, don't act like that pear-shaped, wooden dunder-head Al Gore(had to get in a jab at the whining Democrats) and cry, stomp your feet, call for a do-over and generally be a sore loser.
My buddy has a heavily modified Disco that'll climb a tree. But do I cry like a little girl and make up excuses because he can do things I can't(that has yet to be proven)? No, I admire his rig, compliment him on how f*cking cool it is and enjoy the experience.
Scrot, maybe your diaper was/is full and you're cranky about it. Change it and get over yourself. Puss.

[DennisAJC]

Ya, guys like Scrotum are the types that sit at the bottom of the hill doin all the big talkin and heckling. Then when it`s his turn,
he gets what girls call SPHYXTER ATTACK.

Most likely, Steve(Man of all men big and small) has put such a dent in their egos, we may have a new wave of H2 buyers!

Steve`s Rock n Roll KILLED the Disco era http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[Buckeye Hummer]

DRTYFN,

Here's the pic to add to your post:

[Kevin B]

argonaut- Now I agree- this got ugly and that sucks http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Buckeye Hummer]

The articulation is pretty good on a freelander. Did any of those try the hill? C'mon rovers are very capable (maybe not freelanders) but they are good trucks. Bring some of the gang out to White Mountain. I am sure there are areas the Rover will do better than the H2, which makes for good discussion over beers.

[DRTYFN]

N2IT,
Please don't tell me you're in your little nightie while you're reading this forum. Go change into your camoes and stop being so sensitive.
After you put on your mud-pack(uh huh huh, mud-pack)you could always spend your evening at this site:
http://www.oprah.com/

[DennisAJC]

No this didn`t get ugly at all.

This is our Forum, our territory, our stomping grounds.

Like ANY forum it has a following and it`s garden variety trolls( good trolls and bad trolls)

Hey, if I decided to troll other forums, I`d expect it too regardless if I was being extremely friendly.

Hey, my wife has a Rover, but I love that Troll http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[Buckeye Hummer]

Serious question: Does anyone know why Rover owners attach ALL of their cargo on top of the vehicle and none inside? I mean we aren't going on a safari and it makes those suckers a little top heavy don't ya think? Some of the inclines we were doing at White Mountain (yes with bypasses for the newbies so they don't get scared away Steve)were so steep I wouldn't even put my tire on top.

[DennisAJC]

This is why Buckeye...

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[Kevin B]

DRTYFN,

Im not in my nightie yet but im heading that way. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I just think it got out of hand thats all. Have you ever been out in the desert and a group of jeeps go by and the two groups snarl at each other? It just seems kinda silly, all it takes is for one guy to wave and the ice is broken and usually everything is cool after that.

Mutual respect and dignity still go a long way in this world. I've said enough so I think Ill shut up now

[scrover]

OK no more picking apart posts http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Except for these:

"Your welcome" as in my welcome or you're welcome as in you are welcome?

"Scrotum, I mean Scrover" I tried it, the DMV rejected it so I settled for (lick my) scrover.

"How could you determine my skills at offroading?" err, I saw you drive?

"or were you one of the chicken ****s running your mouth at the bottom of the hill?" I was the guy that said to you "you could walk right up that hill, do you have enough room to get past those trucks?" I didn't realized at that moment what an arrogant dick you are.

"Yes I said "tore" no that doesn't mean Steve literally destroyed the trail dumping trash along the way while he discarded his cigarette into the brush and bounced gas out of open gas cans." Now you're being silly, he doesn't smoke.

I really don't take it so seriously http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm sure Steve achieved what he set out to do and that's all that matters right?

Peace

Steve

[scrover]

Damn, I missed a few insightful posts

BRB

[DennisAJC]

Can`t we for once enjoy a post and not have it degraded by a bunch of ball sacks?

That was a great story. And quite accurate considering the confirmation of the LR visitors.

Even if Steve took it slow, didn`t say a peep,
extremely polite, humble....whatever. These(refering to SCROTUM TROLLS, not true LR members) ball scratchers will find SOMETHING to demean it.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[jetson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've already been banned from the LR website having posted nothing at all.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow - you were banned from disocweb? That seems a bit harsh to me. Being a newbie, I once asked why a certain thread was locked and was told that it didn't relate to discos. It was in the General section so it was very confusing as to how they decide which ones to lock. In the same section were many topics unrelated to discos.

I've received great assistance and tons of invaluable information from that site. I sure hope this doesn't create such bad vibes that banning becomes the solution.

Respectfully,

Kenny

[jetson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Serious question: Does anyone know why Rover owners attach ALL of their cargo on top of the vehicle and none inside? I mean we aren't going on a safari and it makes those suckers a little top heavy don't ya think? Some of the inclines we were doing at White Mountain (yes with bypasses for the newbies so they don't get scared away Steve)were so steep I wouldn't even put my tire on top. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Buckeye,

If you want an answer from someone who isn't all that experienced with it (at least not offraoding anyway). The discos are not blessed with much cargo room really. When I travel with my family, I use a luggage box on the roof rails for a good reason! But the owners manual warns against placing too much weight on the roof when offroading. I think the truck weighs close to 5000 pounds and it's definitely bottom heavy. I have taken mine on some angles that were hair raising by my standards, but I would be somewhat nervous if I had a load on the roof.

Kenny

[scrover]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buckeye Hummer:
Serious question: Does anyone know why Rover owners attach ALL of their cargo on top of the vehicle and none inside? I mean we aren't going on a safari and it makes those suckers a little top heavy don't ya think? Some of the inclines we were doing at White Mountain (yes with bypasses for the newbies so they don't get scared away Steve)were so steep I wouldn't even put my tire on top.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Serious answer: We never really know if we're gonna make it home http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif So, with all the spare parts, food, clothes, gas, water, spare tire (anything more than an inch over stock won't fit inside), recovery gear, Spam and Grey Poupon, something has to go on the roof rack. So, we may as well just put everything up there and leave room inside for sleeping while the tow truck arrives http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Steve

[HeeHaw]

Scrotum, not bad, it only took 5 pages of BS to get down to it.

Bravo for stepping up and telling the truth....Are you a lawyer?

HeeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwwww

[Buckeye Hummer]

Scrover, good answer. We pack lots of food, water, (get gas just before we enter the trail and right after we finish too) I've found that my roof rack works best at keeping the trees from scratching my paint on top but I also occasionaly throw my tire up there but have found it screws up my satellite radio reception. So for now, it's just for looks until we hit some more level trails. The spare will continue to bounce around in the back and the cooler will always reside where I can reach it.

[Axel]

"I've already been banned from the LR website having posted nothing at all.... "


If you haven't posted anything at all, that is probably the reason. Inactive accounts gets purged from time to time, at the last cleanup, around 800 accounts that were more than 90 days old with no activity within the last 180 days were deleted.

[scrover]

Hey Axel, you're up late http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[scrover]

"Bravo for stepping up and telling the truth....Are you a lawyer?"

Me? Nah

"Although care has been taken in preparing the information contained in this document, scrover does not and cannot guarantee the accuracy thereof. Anyone using the information does so at their own risk and shall be deemed to indemnify scrover from any and all injury or damage arising from such use."

[Steve R]

Okay guys....let's wrap this up and bring an end to the festival of hostilities.

I'm really not happy with the way things have developed on this forum or the DiscoWeb. For the record, I have not actually been kicked off the Dweb.....I simply cleaned my computer and removed a bunch of "cookies", the site just doesn't recognize me and I don't recall my password.

They say hindsight is 20/20. In reflecting back I have to admit that openly challenging the crowd seemed a bit over-the-top...but you have to understand the preemptive elements that led to that situation:

I came to that event with the sole intent of perhaps finding a new trail for our group to run AND to just get out and have some fun. I had no other agenda.

Yes, I was heckled, teased and given a hard time about the H2. It was annoying, a bit rude and provoked me a bit. Heck...just after being introduced some guy (Ron???) in the crowd suggested giving me a sticker that read "I wish I had a Land Rover"...and everybody laughed.

The joking continued...much of it done face-to-face as people checked out the H2 (and so Scrover & others may not have been aware). All this teasing didn't exactly promote my keeping a humble composure. I kept it mellow and rolled with the punches.

I went up that hill with only one intent...to get up it and make it safely. I went straight up with no problems at all. When I got to the top it was evident that I would have to be the first vehicle to come back down....and so I turned around and proceeded down.

To this point everything was just fine. They cheered me, I got congrats and all was well.

It was when I got to the bottom that some jerk (Ron??) heckled me by telling me that I had been lucky and that I had taken the easy way up. Okay...THAT'S a freakin' challenge and something I wasn't about to swallow. You say that to me or any other guy and you're gonna get a response.

I turned around and proceeded to repeat my ascent up the right side of the hill. My reference to "tearing" up the hill was in regard to speed and authority...not actual damage to the terrain. I probably had the least impact on that hill that day.

I then turned around and came back down. When I got to the bottom I thought it would be funny (and shut the heckler up) by running backwards a bit. It was quick, brief and maybe 1/3 the way up.

I then got out and asked if anyone else wanted a crack at the hill. Yes, it was (in hindsight) a bit obnoxious. I'll admit, I got caught-up in the adrenaline and was riding on a victory-rush...much like the football player who runs the ball into the endzone.

All things considered, you can't tease a guy a whole bunch, heckle him and then belittle his accomplishment by telling him he was just lucky and took the easy way.

Bottom line: the heckler deserved the attitude and not the entire crowd. What's worse, most the crowd was not likely aware of all the crap I was being given.....and so I can understand the title of....how did Scrover put it....ah yes..."arrogant dick" being bestowed upon me. For the record, I much prefer arrogant Prick....or bastard. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Scrover actually seemed like a real cool guy...he (earlier) waved at me, gave me a smile and greeted me with a deilghtful english accent. I've got no beef with ya Scrov...just please consider the pressure & grief I was operating under. I was really there to have fun, be helpful and enjoy the day.....what I got was less then...well, you know.

As for my "write-up", Alec is right....it's much like a fishing story....I sensationalized it and fertilized it rich with humor. It was an entertaining piece intended to bring home some pride to the home team. We've taken some nasty heat from attacks...it seemed like a triumphant story to enjoy. It's probably not the best read for a diehard LR-fan.....but this is an H2 forum and it's quite tame as compared to some of what I've read abroad.

I believe an understanding of my perception explains much of my behavior that day. I really had no hidden agenda and actually sought to avoid competitive confrontation...some of those Defenders looked pretty fierce!

Doug was, and is, a complete gentlemen. He was very graceful in extending to me an invitation to their event and I appreciated the opporutnity to meet some new people and check-out some fascinating rigs.

I appreciate the backing some of my forum-buddies have given me, but now it seems like a good time to bring to a close the bickering I seem to have initiated. We're all better people then this. As Scrover says....PEACE. For my part I will apologize.

- Steve

[This message was edited by Steve R on 09-24-03 at 01:09 AM.]

[Steve R]

Uh...seeing as I can't quite get onto the Dweb, if someone capable can copy & paste it to that site...I'd appreciate it.

[Axel]

Done. The thread is now closed over on Dweb. As I am in NJ, I was obviously not present and have no opinion or first hand knowledge of what actually took place. But I agree with Steve, letting the discussion degenerate further into a pissing contest of who said what to whom, or LR vs. Hummers is pointless.

Axel

[scrover]

Steve,

That explains a lot. I wasn't aware of any heckling at any time.(My CB was off - I forgot the antenna http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif ) My reaction was purely based on your behavior, the likes of which I hadn't seen before, at least not on a trail. It was never an LR vs Hummer thing.

I can say one thing for sure, you have quite a following on this board. I learned some interesting new words from your supporters http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif who despite not being witness to the events, stood behind you to the last.

I take back my insults (feel free to use them on the taco boys http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) and wish you well on the trail.

Not sure where PEACE came from, I never say that; it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Scrotum

[DRTYFN]

Scrov(damn, I still want to call you Scrot),
I'm impressed that you've made nice with Steve. That really shows a lot about your character.
Occasionally when there's a thrashing on this forum, the parties involved end up establishing respect & friendship for each other. It's sort of a feeling out process to determine each other's character & personality.
I, for one, would go wheelin' with you anytime. I might have to strap & winch you over things, but I'd still go with ya. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Steve R]

Scrov,

There is one last detail I'd like to add...my co-pilot/friend Billy came with me that day and was wandering around amoungst your group. He was even up on that hill when the first vehicles were having problems...he overheard a LOT of stuff:

There were plenty of people mocking the H2 and hoping it would fail on that hill, maybe even have a wheel fall-off or broken part. THAT would have surely made their day. They weren't just shooting the breeze, they were hedging against me....that's why I heckled them after my second ascent. They hadn't realized that Billy came with me....so I heard a lot of tough-talk that they likely never intended to let me hear...but nonetheless...the hostility was very much felt.

Feeling as though most people were there to watch me fail and heckle me....you can kinda see things differently now.

AND I too can appreciate your perception as well...you had no idea whatsoever as to the nature of reception I was getting....which provoked/prompted my behavior.

So there ya go....seems we can move on now, but I think I'll be passing on joining that group in the future. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Dan]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scrover:
...I can say one thing for sure, you have quite a following on this board. I learned some interesting new words from your supporters http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif who despite not being witness to the events, stood behind you to the last...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, we just tolerate him so he keeps bringing in the videos http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

- Dan

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SUT on order 12/02. 9 months down, 9 to go!
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[Buckeye Hummer]

Alec, get your H2 out of monster garage and head out here. How are the repairs coming along?

Jason

[DennisAJC]

O.K.

Kiss and made up. Do we have any more photos?

Steve try a camera mount on or in your H2 next time. That would be cool.

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[DennisAJC]

They let you keep the old tires too?????

That is one nice adjuster! Cool. I don't remember Alec, but are they gonna detail your H2 also?

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[DennisAJC]

You've inspired me to revisit my insurance coverage. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

[Buckeye Hummer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>(cool because now I have two mounted spears) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's sweet Alec, I've heard of people wanting to mount guns on top of their H2's but a couple of spears sounds alot tougher to me. Are you killing lunch for us? http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I better revisit my insurance as well. Get that glass in man and see you on Sunday!

[Buckeye Hummer]

No problem, apparently you can't drive worth a crap either OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Just kidding, hope the rig is done and beers on me.

See you Sunday.

Jason

[Steve R]

I suppose that's a low-carb beer???

Alec....did you notice any change in performance with the rear sway-bar removed? Doug wheels his D110 without a front sway-bar at all....feels it helps substantially. I'm just curious if you noticed anything. And...if your rear is off, what about your front?

Come on bro...don't make me ask all the questions to get the answers...spill the info

[brianfriend]

Hey....what's going on Sunday? I didn't see anything in the upcoming event's section.

If it can break it can be fixed.

[muskyman]

WOW....H2 vs Disco ends up in a another long winded thread http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

its not a big surprise to me that the H2 did so well on that hill , its length ,width and power are all key elements in a climb such as that hill presents.

off-road will always be a case of trade offs, when a truck is optimum for one terain or purpose it will always have a shortcumming on others.

a good driver will often be able to compensate for shortcommings by chossing the correct or best line.

looks like a fun hill...too bad you guys dont get much rain out there...then it would be a real challenge http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MM

Musky:the thinking mans fish

Dirt is for playing roads are for getting there

[JRT]

I see you're running White Mountain (up in SBNF), I would love to come out and see what these H2's can do. I'm local to the mountains but only drive a 4runner. Can I still tag along?

Thanks

[Steve R]

JRT,

To answer your question: yes and no.

YES, you could tag along and you're quite welcome to join us....but

NO, the White Mountain event was 2 days ago and is now in the past. Unless you are capable of time-travel, it is unlikely you'll be joining us. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[JRT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve R:
JRT,

To answer your question: yes and no.

YES, you could tag along and you're quite welcome to join us....but

NO, the White Mountain event was 2 days ago and is now in the past. Unless you are capable of time-travel, it is unlikely you'll be joining us. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bummer, well, drop me a line when you head back up this way. DCole@dreamlinks.net

[Steve R]

You've inspired me to revisit my insurance coverage. http://www.elcova.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He ain't heavy.....
He's ma HUMMER baby!
03 NUDE Pewter Lux H2
03 Dressed Range Rover

They have insurance up in Canada? :)

[DennisAJC]

HAHAHAHA!!!! A 3 year old thread back to life!:beerchug:

[DRTYFN]

Do we even recognize SteveR anymore?:fdance:

[frenzy1]

great readin man !! Congrats H2 RULES !!!!!

[Steve R]

Outlasted everyone and I still have the H2, those were the good old days for sure....before the gas prices went nuts and environmental people got on us. So long ago.

[guruerror]

Steve, I don't know how I ever missed this thread. GREAT story!! Thanks for giving it a bump.

[HummerMann]

Now that's an old post! Good to hear some of us original owners have held on to our H2s through thick and thin! Steve for you I imagine it was even harder in the LA area!!:jump: :jump: