When are you guys going to be in Moab? My group will be there from the 8th through the 12th(I think..have to recheck dates)

It would be cool to see if you guys are as nice in person as you claim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HA! I'll buy the 1st and 2nd round.

Somehow I don't get the feeling that the all new German Engineering is going to be big selling point!

The reason I asked about what winches were being run is I did not know what mouts were made (if any at all) into the stock H2, and what weight it takes to get that hunk of junk unstuck on a daily basis.

Nice boards, ask an honest question, get an ignorant person to answer.

I remember wheelin at the beach and I ran into a Jeep club(About 10 of them).

The leader ran them into some deep sand and they were all stuck thrashing around like dying beached whales.

I hooked them ALL up at the same time and winched all 10 to safety.

Afterwards the men offered me their women as an offering for saving their lives.

I was spent that day.

True story!

Now is there a stock mounting location or is it an aftermarket application?

Yes

Keep it up....you are really showing the rest of us non-hummer drivers the attitude you guys truly have.

If you could get over yourself for just long enough to read my post again...without thinking that everything a non-hummer driver says is out to hurt you or something... You might have noticed that nowhere in my post did I say you should drive anything else then what you drive.
I was just making the point that I...me...personaly have no use for one.

If you still read on you might notice that I said I think Hummers have thier place in the off road world.

You want to show me what they can do...OK Show me a Hummer fitting through trees a CJ will barly fit through. Show me a Hummer that will follow a light weight jeep over top of spring time snow( and I can prove this can't happen)

Come on...I dare you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, why don't you show me your CJ fitting through trees a zuki or atv or bikes will barely fit In case you haven't read this thread from the beginning, you obviously still do not understand the meaning of the video.

I agree, same topics just different trolls Someone had mentioned there should be a list of what not to do for all these trolls.

Dumb ass. This is what you askedAnd the answersI guess you didn't understand the answers. Too many syllables for you to handle? And you insult our trucks. You really are a waste of sperm.

Sure you can afford 2 H2s. Just like all other trolls that come in here. Let's see, we had someone claiming to have a 7 digit bank account driving a range rover and if memory serves me right, you have 2 rubicons that you have spent $70k on and a $60k dually, right?

I agree, same topics just different trolls Someone had mentioned there should be a list of what not to do for all these trolls. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Such as "Do not insult the truck you are asking questions about". Too bad these guy's momma's didn't swallow instead.

And if you don't like this board, go away!

I would but I don't drive a CJ. And I do understand the meaning of the video. It was funny from the perspective of a hummer owner. I wonder how you would take a video that put hummers in the same light...especialy if whoever made the video stated that it was only trying to get back at all the mis-information the hummer world puts out against jeeps.

I would but I don't drive a CJ. And I do understand the meaning of the video. It was funny from the perspective of a hummer owner. I wonder how you would take a video that put hummers in the same light...especialy if whoever made the video stated that it was only trying to get back at all the mis-information the hummer world puts out against jeeps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's done everyday in print on the internet and through pictures.

Samething over and over again. Yet these dumbasses still don't get.

Handling a side impact of a VW at 35 mph....? The Jeep driver can let me know how it went when he wakes from a coma.

While I love seeing heeps crash,(mostly driver error in the vid) I have to admit I like this vid too! (also a bit of driver error)

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html

Dildo, if you'd detach yourself from your dog's dick you might realize that video has been around the world 96 times and that it originated here. God damn 'tard.

I would but I don't drive a CJ. And I do understand the meaning of the video. It was funny from the perspective of a hummer owner. I wonder how you would take a video that put hummers in the same light...especialy if whoever made the video stated that it was only trying to get back at all the mis-information the hummer world puts out against jeeps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, an atv is 3'~ 4' wide and a cj is 5'~ 6' wide, you would drive a cj thru two trees that are say 4.5' apart?

And if you actually spend a few mins and read this entire thread, you wouldn't be bringing up these same old arguments. Yes the vid was funny and not only to hummer owners. There have been jeep owners coming over to this board and think it was funny as well. And yes hummers have been and still are under the same light as many owners on this board will agree. Which is the point of this vid.

So you think the maker of this vid should've put a disclaimer/explanation at the end of this vid? I surely don't recall any disclaimer/explanation when I see all the crap ppl put out on the net.

Great, another troll, but this one is different, he may not be a jeep troll but a taco troll. What's next, more pictures sharing? Or maybe more trash talking?

Listen kid, read this entire thread before you decide to make a fool of yourself.

Dennis,
Great Video - That was FUNNY! (yes, I'm just getting caught up on current events here). Now that you're a famous producer, you'll need to keep that in mind for your videography on our next trip.

I will say that I'm a bit disgruntled about not getting my handle in the credits since I have two cameo appearances.

Don't listen to all the losers that will threaten you. Those guys are all talk. Like Alec, I too stopped participating on most of the other offroad forums because of the extreme hatred. I had a guy from colorado4x4 threaten me online for parking on what he perceived to be billion year old tundra.

The points made about jealousy are totally lost on these guys. They don't understand the point AT ALL. It's astounding. They respond with "well I just hate them because they are too expensive". What kind of idiotic response is that?

I hate Godiva chocolate because even though it tastes good it's a waste of money when you can buy Hershey. I hate cuban cigars because swisher sweets work just as good. The logic is ridiculous.

Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive. They hate the people who buy them BECAUSE they are expensive. Some of you guys here seem to be hardcore(I guess) wheelers. Some of you might have bought your hummers because you thought it would make a good wheeling machine....Thats cool.

There is a greater number of people though who buy them soley for the status symbol. To me this is just plain stupid. Its a waste of money to do that.

I hate to tell ya guys but plain and simple...the hatred started from the attitudes of alot of Hummer owners. Not because of the price,capability,looks or anyother part of the Hummer. Its mostly just driver attitude.

I FIXED it for you Doc.

When I bought my Hummer, I didn't get into the driver's seat and said,"Hey, from this day on, I'm gonna look down on people."

That quality was in me years before. J/K

Being a long time Jeep owner, it hurt when I was immediatly shund for driving the H2. It's almost like a defensive personality. Easily mistaken for being snobby.

DrGenius,
Having a Schizo day are we?

Nobody hates hummers because they are too expensive. They hate the people who buy them BECAUSE they are expensive. Some of you guys here seem to be hardcore(I guess) wheelers. Some of you might have bought your hummers because you thought it would make a good wheeling machine....Thats cool.

There is a greater number of people though who buy them soley for the status symbol. To me this is just plain stupid. Its a waste of money to do that.

I hate to tell ya guys but plain and simple...the hatred started from the attitudes of alot of Hummer owners. Not because of the price,capability,looks or anyother part of the Hummer. Its mostly just driver attitude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I said yesterday, so what if the vehicle cost a lot and many buy them as a status symbol. Those are not the people here so that would be a pointless argument on this forum. I agree, it is stupid to buy a vehicle for a status symbol but if you want to do that, go ahead it is your money. Who the hell are you or I to say what someone can do with their money? If you are going to use the argument that most people buy Hummers and don't go off road so Hummers suck, then you need to use the same argument about Jeeps. Whether you can admit it or not, a larger percentage of Jeep owners will not do any real off roading, if any, than those that will. Also, if the H2 sucks as an off road vehicle because of cost, then I guess the Rubi does too because you could build a custom rig for less. It may not be pretty, but I guess it wouldn't be a steaming pile of crap like the Rubi (if using your argument about price). I personally don't think any Jeeps are piles of crap, but that would be a good comparison to your argument

I'll make the argument that I can get a bone stock TJ as far as some could get a BOne Stock H2........does that make the Vehicle or the Driver more capable?????????? And while I've never driven one, I bet I can take a Bone stock H2 and get it as far as a fully set up wrangler also....... It's 40 percent rig, and 60 percent driver IMHO

DrGenius,
Having a Schizo day are we? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nope...it still stands. I have started to hate them because of what I said in that last post. I thought H2s were kind of cool when they came out. I hauled cars for a living at that time and drove tons of them. I knew it was something I would ever have because I thought the price was just silly for what you are getting. But that price they get has a direct affect on the attitudes of some hummer drivers. The more I saw on the road the more I became aware that a lot of people where buying them for the sole reason of being better then everyone else.

Just as alot of your hatred of the rest of the 4wd comunity came from looking down on you, Mine slowly evolved from the attitudes I have seen from lots of Hummer drivers. Not all of course but alot.

The thing is...the price has a direct effect in this. If you could buy an H2 for 30K(about what they should be) then you wouldn't have so many *******s driving them.

So, to summarize:


You say you hate them because the of the predominance of the bad attitudes of the owners. Apparently that's ok. But when Dennis posts a video because of the predominance of the Jeeper's attitudes....not ok, right?

I hate airplanes because only snobby rich guys own them.

At least you go that right. Doesn't matter what type of vehicle, there are *******s driving every type. Some even right the bus I bet

if an H2 only cost 30,000, I would be driving my TJ in today and trading it in

That I'm serious about! I could get way more pussy in an h2!!!

just wait, I'll be wearing the infamous "moon" pants in October.........

Maybe you can get in line here.

ROFLMAO

Where the hell do you get all these?

Good question. I believe that 95% of the people who buy Rubicons are going to use it off-road. Why else would you drop another 7-10k for what is to the average driver a sticker on the hood, nicer wheels and a toggle swith on your dash??

The fact that they CAN come out with this type of package says alot for the engineers. I'm also pretty sure they woud have done more like 33' tires, lift, etc. but then you have the 5% of idiots that think it's a sports car and kill themselves and sue and sue and sue.

I bought Jeep cause I can take the top off, has 4WD, and they finally made it in a color I was looking for. I bought a Rubicon because of all the stuff the average driver don't see.

If you bought an H2 for it's off-road capability, then IMO you are a fool. If you bought an H2 because of it's styling, road manners,luxury items, in conjuction with it's off road capibilty then kudos.

and no we won't argue the KJ or GC cause they have IFS.