http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/...k_spyshots.asp

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/S...gler.S178.A8684.html

What is this all about?

Ok, I did the search, what's the point:



http://images.google.com/images?q=jeep+rubicon

You are talking about spy photos with all the black rags on top, and a lot of speculation.

The engine MAY be the small 3.7l from the Liberty, or another mid-sized V6. The designation MAY also be JK or TK, as thatis not clear yet either.

OK ... let me re-phrase.
If someone were to give you a choice of a new Jeep or a new H2 (for FREE to own and drive) and the price of gas was no object because they also gave you an unlimited gas card for as much free gas as you need for that specific truck, what do you honestly think anyone would take?
(and don't give me a stupid answer like:
I would sell the H2 and build a new jeep.

LMFAO, so if the planets aligned, there was peace on Earth, and Santa Claus really did exsist? Come on man, get in touch with reality.

Even playing your silly little game I would do exactly as you said. Sell the H2 and with the extra money, build a wicked Jeep. Unlike you I do not need DVD players, 5000w stereo systems, warming seats for my senstive bottom, etc.

Is that the best you guys can come up with??????? It's too wide????It's too heavy???

Those qualities RARELY apply in real off road situations. Did nature specify a width JUST for fawking Heeps??

How about, Jeeps are too tiny, too guttless, too fragile???

Did you think the US Military Machine said, "What if we come between two trees and it's too narrow for the Hummer????"

Bottom line is JEEP will ALWAYS be chasing HUMMER. Jeep will always be one step behind and it pisses you off. The HUMMER grill fiasco always brings a grin to my face.

Dude, what are you talking about. The TK is the 2007 model of the Wrangler. It's the all new designed and is being tested as we type. It won't have 6 banger anymore, will not have removeable tops and...... I can't remember off the top of my head the other stuff.

It's not brand new information. It's been known for a little while. Do a search for 07 TK or the like, I am sure this already a bunch of stuff out on it. [/quote]
Get his facts strait? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It still has a six banger in it...Just not an inline six. It will still have a soft top. They are just comming out with a hard top version also.

You are right...the info has been out for a long time. However its all info on the prototype The info on the production version has not been released yet.

I have to say though its a shame what DC is doing to jeeps.
They are making them more and more like Hummers and Tahoes and VWs everyday.

Thanks but I'll stick with my Liberty.. small and agile enough to follow a Wrangler with most of the creature comforts and highway friendliness of your H2s.

Are you comparing an H1 with your silly little H2? You have got to be kidding me right? Fragile? can you say I. F. S.? SNAP! I was able to break 2 H-1's in the military also. Its no secret the H-1 front end was weak.

As far as chasing a Hummer H2 or H3 when they arrive, lets take out a stock Hummer and a stock Rubicon, and see who really goes where and who doesn't. There is your challenge: Stock vs Stock.

ANY of you up for it?

I guess it depends on the type of wheeling you are doing. Wide and heavy are constanly a battle in the fourwheeling world I play in. Even in an XJ I find situations where I wish I was narower or lighter then I am.
Ask the guy I pulled out of the snow.

Too gutless or fragile? Wanna race? Stock vs Stock? Whats your 0-60 times?
Too fragile? How many tie rods have you broke?




Then why are YOU guys sitting here telling us...no wait whining to us about how picked on you are in the 4wd world? Seems to me that you guys are the ones always chasing...Reputation anyway...I think the fact that Jeep has...and always will be the pillar in the off-road world pisses you guys off so much you have to make silly little videos.

Guys this isn't what-if stuff. No more soft-top. It will have a base engine the same as the Liberty but will have an optional small V-8, not a V-6. It doesn't matter what they call it once it starts production. It's known now as the TK and it's not a prototype, that was last year. This thing is in testing now and will hit the streets next year.

Back it up!

Keep it up....you are really showing the rest of us non-hummer drivers the attitude you guys truly have.

If you could get over yourself for just long enough to read my post again...without thinking that everything a non-hummer driver says is out to hurt you or something... You might have noticed that nowhere in my post did I say you should drive anything else then what you drive.
I was just making the point that I...me...personaly have no use for one.

If you still read on you might notice that I said I think Hummers have thier place in the off road world.

You want to show me what they can do...OK Show me a Hummer fitting through trees a CJ will barly fit through. Show me a Hummer that will follow a light weight jeep over top of spring time snow( and I can prove this can't happen)

Come on...I dare you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You never did give a straight answer. Maybe you're not straight and are incapable of giving a straight answer.

I apologize to 2 Rubi for jabbing you for not answering. My bad.

No problem bud. Over and done with.

Anyone near Central Cali, lets go wheelin! I have not been out for a couple weeks!

LMFAO, so if the planets aligned, there was peace on Earth, and Santa Claus really did exsist? Come on man, get in touch with reality.

Even playing your silly little game I would do exactly as you said. Sell the H2 and with the extra money, build a wicked Jeep. Unlike you I do not need DVD players, 5000w stereo systems, warming seats for my senstive bottom, etc. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I owned a pickup and was about to buy and old ratty Jeep to fix up,(cuz none of em are worth a **** anyway) so I could off-road. Instead I spent the money on a Hummer H2. And I love the heated seats, my kids go everywhere and really dig the DVD, so there. I actually upgraded when I bought it. And the H1 used to be a gutless, rideless piece of tankage that I don't care for. Except now.....

So see you on the trail! I'll be the one with the seat heaters on all nice and dry, and I'll have hot steamy coffee for you folks diggin yourselves out. Can't miss me. I'm the one following you up the trail in the Stealth Gray, and just in case you get stuck I'll have my winch on so we can get you back on the road. So be nice or no cookies for you.

BTW, what kind of winches are those and what weight rating?

Dude, what are you talking about. The TK is the 2007 model of the Wrangler. It's the all new designed and is being tested as we type. It won't have 6 banger anymore, will not have removeable tops and...... I can't remember off the top of my head the other stuff.

It's not brand new information. It's been known for a little while. Do a search for 07 TK or the like, I am sure this already a bunch of stuff out on it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Get his facts strait? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. It still has a six banger in it...Just not an inline six. It will still have a soft top. They are just comming out with a hard top version also.

You are right...the info has been out for a long time. However its all info on the prototype The info on the production version has not been released yet.

I have to say though its a shame what DC is doing to jeeps.
They are making them more and more like Hummers and Tahoes and VWs everyday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have no idea what the hell you said here. But let me say this: The new TK will not have a 6 cyl., V or inline. No removable tops, hard or soft like the current and past wranglers. It will have a front section that will open up over the front seats ONLY. The rear will have a full solid roof and solid, attached, part of the body, sides and rear glass with an integrated lift/tail gate. This is not the prototype information and has not been out for "a long time." It's been leaked for a month or so.

You guys are some goofy ones. This stuff has to be leaked out so that the aftermarket manufacturers can start making up stuff since the whole vehicle is redesigned. That's how this kind of stuff gets leaked out. Sheesh, talk about touchy.

Yes I did...I said that Hummers have their place. If you want one and it fits your needs...fine. I won't hold it against you.
I bet in this thread I have said it five times...I will wheel with anyone anytime and anywhere(as long as they can keep up)
For myself I have a strong brand loyalty but I don't try to impose that on anyone else.

If we met on the trail I would never ever in a million years turn my nose up at you because you are in an H2. Nor would I laugh harder if you rolled it or be one of the idiots who stand and cheer when you guys break.

All I said is that I...me personaly have no use for a Hummer. If it bothers you that someone feels that way then maybe you need to see a shrink!

Straight enough for ya?

I said it once and I will say it again...
Back it up. Prove it. Send me a solid link to something I can read for myself.
Something that is varifiable by DC.
If you can not do this then SPOBI!!

I was hoping JP had the article online but its not.
They talked to a DC rep who said basicly everything you said is false. Rumors abound but there is no varifiable truth to what you say...Other then the fact that the I6 is going away.

Everything else is complete BS unless you can get us a varifiable link to some solid info.

So post it up man.

Back it up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Do a little looking on the internet, you can find it and easily read between the lines. Also, there are a couple of people who work for somebody on this forum, PM them and ask them some "very general" questions. They probably won't answer or respond to you seeing how you guys have acted but, hey, it's worth a try.

But, fine, let me rephrase the question. If DC were to do that to the wrangler, what's up with that?

Why do you think there are so many pissed off Jeep owners?
DC is Hummerizing them more and more and the real jeep guys...Not the highschool chearleaders hate it.
The highschool chearleaders would rather have a hummer anyway...it fits their lifestyle better.

The story I read in JP mag...where they talked to the DC reps basicly stated that DC knows that with the invention of the new grand with IFS and the Liberty that they need to keep an open top, two live axle vehicle or they will lose alot of sales.

DC maybe doind some very stupid things but they aren't going to sink that low.

That would be a sad sad day.. The Wrangler is an icon. If this is true, I may have to go snatch one up before they're all gone.

Um Paragon,

The new Jeep will have a 6, SFA, and some other stuff that I know of. AS a FACT.

I cannot divulge were or how and will not tell you about the other goodies being added.

But trust me, when you live where I live, and do what I do, know who I know, then you can understand.

evertyhing is NOT on the internet.

You are tooooo funny!
The truth is it's all about the Casheesh!
If you had it you would buy it!
Because if you had the $ you could build a really wicked Hummer!
If you want something even narrower sell you jeep and get a Dirt Bike!
The truth is I like Jeeps and if I couldn't afford the H2 I'd have a Jeep!

I guess in retrospect I would take the H2 first, so I could sell it for the profit. As I explained earlier, if I wanted an H2, I could go buy 2 of them, so it is not a matter of funds.

Still have two questions unaswered:

Anyone want to go head to head with a stock H2 vs a stock Rubicon

and

What winches are the H2s running and what weight rating?

As far as head to head with a Rubicon, we already have. In fact, sadly, he put it in a mud hole and that is the picture a few pages back of an H2 pulling him out. Then, there's probably a pic of the same guy pulling me after I had an issue on the trail. So in one day, we messed both rigs up. Don't assume we're all a bunch of newb's that don't know what off road is.

Some folks run a Warn 9.5 on a cradle, for front and rear operation. Some have custom bumpers with much larger and heavier rated winches.

ROTFLMA Ok, whatever. Solid front axle? You think?

Sorry, I had to find a towel to clean the Diet Root Beer off my screen after busting a gut and spitting all over it.

The earth is basically round!!!!!! Want to argue with that. Sheesh!!!!

Please bookmark this page and this time next year come back and read it and see who was right.

This thread is really old and boring now. Same thing over and over.

What winches are Jeeps running? What a ridiculous question. People run anything from Milemarker to Warn from 9.5 to 15Ks. You would have to ask someone specific what winch they have not the entire group.

Shhhh! We might have a record here. Plus I noticed you are going to deitize way before me so I needed to work on that.

Ya Ken, SHUT UP!!!

Shhhh! We might have a record here. Plus I noticed you are going to deitize way before me so I needed to work on that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I did deitize once. Then I was banished. Atleast I wasn't "ducked" or burned.

You say that you wouldn't hold against anyone for wanting what fits their needs, that's great. Nobody should. So you don't like the H2, or any Hummer for that matter. That is fine, just say that. Don't say that you hate H2s and that they are steaming piles of crap. That is the type of thing that gets these wars going. I not saying that you started it or anything but come on, just say that you don't like them and leave it at that. Personally, a Hummer fits my needs better than a Jeep but that doesn't make me want to bash them or hate them. I just personally don't want one over a Hummer. That is my choice and that should be respected as my choice seeing how it is my vehicle just as I would respect your choice seeing how it is your vehicle.

Of course Jeep has been the pillar of the off-road world. Come on damn it, they have had fifty years to build that rep. How long has the Hummer, of any kind, been around let alone the H2. Give it a chance to prove itself. That is one of the big reasons that you see far more Jeeps off road than Hummers, they have been around forever. The new guy on the block is putting up a fight and that really seems to scare some of the loyalist. Not saying it scares you, but hell, you got to give them a chance and not just discount it because it's not a Jeep.

Shhhh! We might have a record here. Plus I noticed you are going to deitize way before me so I needed to work on that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I did deitize once. Then I was banished. Atleast I wasn't "ducked" or burned. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wait till Moab.

I 'member that. Must have been the whole groupee thing.

I know...this is one thing I have heard over and over that the new wrangler will definatly NOT have IFS.

FIXED.

When are you guys going to be in Moab? My group will be there from the 8th through the 12th(I think..have to recheck dates)

It would be cool to see if you guys are as nice in person as you claim.

Have you seen the spy pics of the Jeep Rescue?