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frank6150 07-25-2005 01:36 AM

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I eat my own poop. That is all.

h2co-pilot 07-25-2005 01:39 AM

Thank you!

Okay,

Question 1- is McCracken's first name Phil.

#2- We wheel with Jeeps all the time. When and where did you submit your invitation? And for what trail(s). Please.

#3- Are you the weiner mobile guy?

PARAGON 07-25-2005 01:40 AM

CP tell Ken to check his email please

h2co-pilot 07-25-2005 01:41 AM

K.

hoss75 07-25-2005 01:41 AM

OK, let me start off by saying that I can sympathize with all of you as I wheel with a Jeep Liberty. So I know how you can get harassed both on the trail and on the web. I also must admit that I didn't realize that people actually wheeled with the H2.

I first came across this video on the premiere Jeep Liberty Owners forum (http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/). I viewed the video and was a little annoyed at first by the attitude shown in the video, but also impressed with the wheeling shots of the H2. I then followed the link at the end of the video and came to this site. I've spent the last hour or so reading all of the posts here and I have come to understand the ideas behind this video. The problem is, this video is spreading like rapid fire and is going to be the first glimpse of the H2 wheeling community for many, many people; most of whom probably will not bother to come to this site and read this thread in its entirety. Instead they might think that the video represents the attitude of the H2 wheeling community, which it clearly does not (for most of you at least ... I have suspicions about one or two who shall remain nameless, but every group has its 10%).

So, for your community, this video may be a double edged sword. It will hopefully open more eyes to the capabilities and wheeling community of the H2, but it could also stir up allot of bad energy if it's taken in the wrong way (which is easy to do).

<step up on soap box>Personally, my one objection to it are the shots of Hitler and Hussein. This, to me, shows a blatant disrespect to all our Armed Forces who have given life and limb to remove these dictators from power. It was in bad taste, and I am not a person who is easily offended; parody and satire are fine, but this went to far IMHO.</soapbox off>

Anyway, for me at least, my eyes have been opened and I hope I get the chance to wheel with some of you soon (I'm near Pittsburgh, Pa)... Maybe I can make the Aug. 20th Paragon run, I've been itching to get back there, my last time there I was still bone stock.

Thanks for reading,

Hoss

P.S.
If anyone is interested here’s a link to my cardomain site: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/782559

h2co-pilot 07-25-2005 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by frank6150:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Libicon:
I eat my own poop. That is all.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO!

pirate cralwer 07-25-2005 01:43 AM

you want my email addy ? well just pm me for it

pirate cralwer 07-25-2005 01:45 AM

Hey h2co, just log on and post up or read when the next git together is, wheelin is about treading lightly and having fun.

h2co-pilot 07-25-2005 01:46 AM

Who's Addy? What the hell is going on here?

Can't you guys get a representitive or Jeep Embassador or something, this is getting really old having to explain and console every one of you.

DennisAJC 07-25-2005 01:50 AM

So tired of explaining along with my fellow H2ers, I'll just cut and paste my response.

I will respond to you the way some Jeepers have talked to us over the years.


NO, NO, NO, I will NOT be educated! I'm closing my ears to you and assess the Jeep the way I see fit.


-The Liberty, TJ,YJ ALL share the same parts and frame as indicated in the video.

-Jeep is German owned.

-Countries like Iraq use Jeep.

-You all work at Burger Joints.

-Stay at the Mall and Bling your ride, that's what Jeeps are for.

Some of these are not true mind you, but the general public doesn't know that. They'll believe what I tell them because I can. I can spread misinformation about the Jeep as good or better than you guys can about the H2.


The video is designed to make you feel and react the way we've felt and reacted over the years being H2 owners.


I'm glad you enjoyed my video.


MORE TO COME.....

timgco 07-25-2005 01:51 AM

WOW- I was out of State since Wed. and just read this entire thread. OMG, ILMAO!

But, I have come to a couple of conclusions:
1) Nice vid Dennis.
2) We got a couple of new Jeeper's on our site that are cool. Welcome guys.
3) The rest of the NEWB's are----

SOFA KING WE TODD DID!

pirate cralwer 07-25-2005 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by hoss75:
OK, let me start off by saying that I can sympathize with all of you as I wheel with a Jeep Liberty. So I know how you can get harassed both on the trail and on the web. I also must admit that I didn't realize that people actually wheeled with the H2.

I first came across this video on the premiere Jeep Liberty Owners forum (http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/). I viewed the video and was a little annoyed at first by the attitude shown in the video, but also impressed with the wheeling shots of the H2. I then followed the link at the end of the video and came to this site. I've spent the last hour or so reading all of the posts here and I have come to understand the ideas behind this video. The problem is, this video is spreading like rapid fire and is going to be the first glimpse of the H2 wheeling community for many, many people; most of whom probably will not bother to come to this site and read this thread in its entirety. Instead they might think that the video represents the attitude of the H2 wheeling community, which it clearly does not (for most of you at least ... I have suspicions about one or two who shall remain nameless, but every group has its 10%).

So, for your community, this video may be a double edged sword. It will hopefully open more eyes to the capabilities and wheeling community of the H2, but it could also stir up allot of bad energy if it's taken in the wrong way (which is easy to do).

<step up on soap box>Personally, my one objection to it are the shots of Hitler and Hussein. This, to me, shows a blatant disrespect to all our Armed Forces who have given life and limb to remove these dictators from power. It was in bad taste, and I am not a person who is easily offended; parody and satire are fine, but this went to far IMHO.</soapbox off>

Anyway, for me at least, my eyes have been opened and I hope I get the chance to wheel with some of you soon (I'm near Pittsburgh, Pa)... Maybe I can make the Aug. 20th Paragon run, I've been itching to get back there, my last time there I was still bone stock.

Thanks for reading,

Hoss

P.S.
If anyone is interested here’s a link to my cardomain site: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/782559

great post hoss, {nice user name btw} so many of the guy's here got there belts alittle to tight, and yea some of the posts on other boards go to far, you have ignore the bs in them, to me I would love to see a h2 and a h3 get some real mud on them and maybe a few bumps along the way, a little rubbin never hurt anyone.

PARAGON 07-25-2005 01:53 AM

Get the **** off of the our soldiers ****. I served this county in the United States Marine Corps. I have had about my fill of sidesteppers trying to use this as their own cross to bear just because they got their panties in a wad over something. Get the hell over it. The person who made the video is not an American. He did not go to american schools and did not serve in any of our Armed Forces. You tweedle-dums are making more out of the pictures he used becuase you should know better and should understand their meaning in the context of the video. None of you who have even mentioned Hitler in a Jeep has even had the balls to say what your problem with it is. You side-step it and push it off on our poor soldiers "over their" fighting. Screw that. Those sumbitches don't want to hear your whining and don't want you using them as your little pattycakes for hedging your weakened egos. ****, I imagine a bunch of them have seen the video and have laughed their ass off at it.

I know my 78 year old neighbor who served in WWII as a grunt sure did.

Tell you what, you go whine and bitch over in your little forums and leave it at that otherwise it will just get worse. We are grownups, we even have driver's licenses and were able to buy our trucks and can take responsibility for our actions and don't need idiots who can't speak the English language or even worry with accurate details preaching to us what we should be doing, thinking or saying.

DRTYFN 07-25-2005 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
nice vid,Hmmm you do a very good job at editing , serveral of those clips do not show how many times it really took for that h2 get up the Escalator, in the actual vid it took him like 30 tries to make it up the first part.If your going to do a video, do one that does justice to the sport, not one making fun of someone elses mis-fortunes.

all this video is going to do is create more hate and discontent amoung the every, Its bad enough as it is.

hopefully this post won't get deleted but will serve as a reminder not to look down on others.

To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely.

Too bad you can't count. But it's no big surprise.

If you're from Pirate them you're probably one of the many asshats that gets tiny wood from looking at pics & vids of the misfortune of others.

Who are the "every"?

PARAGON 07-25-2005 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by Alec W:
I came to a couple of conclusions too.

1). I forgot how much I like the Scorps (yeah I am old)
2). Ummmm.....
3). Errrrr...
4). The H2 guys that wheel have been shunned and made fun off on the web since 2002. It's 2005 guys (that's 3 years for the Jeepers ) personally I gave up trying to be a part of general wheeling sites in 2003.
5). Errr.
2). 3). and 5). clears it all up for me. I was so confused by that language thing. Thanks Alec.

PARAGON 07-25-2005 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
you want my email addy ? well just pm me for it
Who the hell are you talking too. Do you realize you are still on the computer, on the internet? Is addy your imaginary friend?

Hello addy? How are you doing this fine evening? Nice to meet you too.

pirate cralwer 07-25-2005 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by DRTYFN:
To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely.

Too bad you can't count. But it's no big surprise.

If you're from Pirate them you're probably one of the many asshats that gets tiny wood from looking at pics & vids of the misfortune of others.
[/quote]

I'm glad you said "probably" cause that means that there is a chance that i'm not a asshat, go back and read my other postings that you have skipped over, and also other users postings as well.

oh well enough of this, hopefully some of you will be out on the trails, I look forward to it.

The invited still stands, and hopefully the next vid will be one without the bs in it.

RasterMaster 07-25-2005 02:21 AM

Damn! I think I need to watch that video...again! Dennis, please make the next installment to be even more hilariously in bad taste so we can have another 50 trolls in 2 days.

The entertainment value alone has been priceless!

timgco 07-25-2005 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by Alec W:
I came to a couple of conclusions too.

1). I forgot how much I like the Scorps (yeah I am old)
2). Ummmm.....
3). Errrrr...
4). The H2 guys that wheel have been shunned and made fun off on the web since 2002. It's 2005 guys (that's 3 years for the Jeepers ) personally I gave up trying to be a part of general wheeling sites in 2003.
5). Errr.

6) I MISS DENNIS!
7) Canadian's are funny too.
8) Don't piss off Paragon!!!
9) The guy in the vid (Potato Salad hill)who's filming on the RH SD looks like he has boobs in that shot.
10)LB scares the hell out of me even more.
11) Dennis really does prefer my Pewter rig over the Desert Sand one.
12) I should have made this into seperate posts so it took longer to read.

DRTYFN 07-25-2005 02:23 AM

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Originally posted by pirate cralwer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
To all the other REAL H2 owners enjoy your beasts and tread lightly and safely.<span class="ev_code_RED">I didn't say that, asswipe. But it is nice of you. </span>

Too bad you can't count. But it's no big surprise.

If you're from Pirate them you're probably one of the many asshats that gets tiny wood from looking at pics & vids of the misfortune of others. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm glad you said "probably" cause that means that there is a chance that i'm not a asshat<span class="ev_code_RED">(You are.) </span>, go back and read my other postings that you have skipped over, and also other users postings as well.<span class="ev_code_RED">(No time. Must locate porn.) </span>

oh well enough of this, hopefully some of you will be out on the trails, I look forward to it.<span class="ev_code_RED">Look up- we'll be at the top of the trails. </span>

The invited still stands, and hopefully the next vid will be one without the bs in it.<span class="ev_code_RED">(Hopefully, there'll be even MORE BS in the next one so you fawkers can see how we feel.) </span>[/quote]

DennisAJC 07-25-2005 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by timgco:
6) I MISS DENNIS!
7) Canadian's are funny too.
8) Don't piss off Paragon!!!
9) The guy in the vid (Potato Salad hill)who's filming on the RH SD looks like he has boobs in that shot.
10)LB scares the hell out of me even more.
11) Dennis really does prefer my Pewter rig over the Desert Sand one.
12) I should have made this into seperate posts so it took longer to read.


I miss your Pewter too Tim........

Can't wait to see you and Kira again.

DRTYFN 07-25-2005 02:29 AM

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by timgco:
6) I MISS DENNIS!
7) Canadian's are funny too.
8) Don't piss off Paragon!!!
9) The guy in the vid (Potato Salad hill)who's filming on the RH SD looks like he has boobs in that shot.
10)LB scares the hell out of me even more.
11) Dennis really does prefer my Pewter rig over the Desert Sand one.
12) I should have made this into seperate posts so it took longer to read.


I miss your Pewter too Tim........

Can't wait to see you and Kira again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You two remind me of another gay couple.

DennisAJC 07-25-2005 02:30 AM

I miss you too DRTY my American blumpkin.

DRTYFN 07-25-2005 02:37 AM

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I miss you too DRTY my American blumpkin.

Weasel 07-25-2005 02:44 AM

pirate, you any good at playing the flute, I hear there may be a band that needs one.

as for the rest of the crap:

Yeah so the viseo was a joke but your execution was off and most of the hardcore guys think your idiots. I don't think thats how it was suppost to come out. Any these are the guys that usually will wheel with anyone unless they are dumbasses.

Props to you guys that do wheel, but in all honesty they won't work very well in the Black Hills cause your not gonna fit. Definatly look me up if you wanna try it though.

And this stock vs. sotck crap has got to stop. Stock to stock compares really don't mean crap. Unless you have the same equipment its pointless to compare anything side by side. Your H@ cost quite a bit more then most anyother vehicle and come equiped with quite a bit morethen a factory vehicle so it would be assumed it might wheel a bit better. Start spending the same money on the other vehicles as an H@ and everything starts to become a more lvel playing field and you can compare aplles to appples. 35+k in a Sammi, will yield a very baddass 4x4.

Anyways back to the point, I realy don't think the vid helped you guys and your cuase to be more excepted in the 4 wheeling community. Someone already mentioned everyone looks away when they show up on the trails, welll this doesn't help, joke or not. If you want to know a little secret the any wheeler that a jerk gets the same treatment, it's not the brand you drive it's the driver.

oh and heres a pic. mostly stock XJ, 31's 5" of lift(still lower then most other vehicles), no lockers. On lime is up against the wall and over the rock hump on the drivers side. Farther to the left maybe four feet is another rock wall. So you can't go around it or to the left at all. Well not unless you like roof rock rash.



same from the front


DRTYFN 07-25-2005 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by Weasel:
35+k in a Sammi, will yield a very baddass 4x4.



And it will probably look really nice getting trailered everywhere, too.
Nice Jeep pic, though. Bet it rides even better than an H2 on the road, right?

We're tired of the ****. Now we're dishing some of it back.

DennisAJC 07-25-2005 03:03 AM

Weasel,

I understand some of your points. Well put.

But if you have a group slammin you for months or years, don't you think we were justified to push back? Should we sit there another 3 years and hear the same **** over again?

Understandable there are alot of good people like yourself and a handful of idiots. But unless you guys do some policing(Which you won't do to your own.) We have to knowing full well it's going to offend in order to get our message out.

We're an extremely friendly bunch. But everyone has a breaking point.

Weasel 07-25-2005 03:08 AM

depend on what I'm driving down, does pretty well bajaing through the badlands, on the street it rides rough just like I like it, but I don't have your fancy front suspension either.

some get trailered some get driven.

It your guys battle not mine, so have at it, all I'm saying it this isn't gonna help. This isn't the way to get people to like you. Oh and you guys aren't the only ones that get crap, the Jeep guys get just as much of it cause we suffer from the same problem as you do, too many yuppies driving their stock whatevers around thinking they are badazz. You have no idea how bad I wanna smack some of them with a 2x4 everytime I see the Jeep thing on a stock TJ or XJ, or the roll me over.

RasterMaster 07-25-2005 03:13 AM

Dennis,

Your karma has got to change....I think our "multitudes" of site moderators should create a special title for yourself, Alec, Paragon & DRTY:

OFFICIAL TROLL HUNTER

DRTYFN 07-25-2005 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by Weasel:
depend on what I'm driving down, does pretty well bajaing through the badlands, on the street it rides rough just like I like it, but I don't have your fancy front suspension either.

some get trailered some get driven.

It your guys battle not mine, so have at it, all I'm saying it this isn't gonna help. This isn't the way to get people to like you. Oh and you guys aren't the only ones that get crap, the Jeep guys get just as much of it cause we suffer from the same problem as you do, too many yuppies driving their stock whatevers around thinking they are badazz. You have no idea how bad I wanna smack some of them with a 2x4 everytime I see the Jeep thing on a stock TJ or XJ, or the roll me over.

And we're supposed to lay down like the French for the Germans to get others in the wheeling community to like us??? I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.

HeimenHummer 07-25-2005 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by DennisAJC:
Weasel,

I understand some of your points. Well put.

But if you have a group slammin you for months or years, don't you think we were justified to push back? Should we sit there another 3 years and hear the same **** over again?

Understandable there are alot of good people like yourself and a handful of idiots. But unless you guys do some policing(Which you won't do to your own.) We have to knowing full well it's going to offend in order to get our message out.

We're an extremely friendly bunch. But everyone has a breaking point.

Damn Dennis that's good.

If they can't agree to that, then they can gfthemselves.

Nice sigg btw.

Weasel 07-25-2005 03:16 AM

quit caring and wheel, I get all kinds of loks or smart remarks over my grociery getter. After I outdrive them in my little jeep they tend to shup up.

Doesn't mean be dicks about it though. Yu gotta represent the side you want people to see.

DRTYFN 07-25-2005 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by Weasel:
quit caring and wheel, I get all kinds of loks or smart remarks over my grociery getter. After I outdrive them in my little jeep they tend to shup up.

Doesn't mean be dicks about it though. Yu gotta represent the side you want people to see.

Most of us don't care and we do wheel.

Weasel 07-25-2005 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.


ok cool, so if you don't care what others think or say then whats the point of posting? ignore the other idiots and go wheel.

DRTYFN 07-25-2005 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by Weasel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.


ok cool, so if you don't care what others think or say then whats the point of posting? ignore the other idiots and go wheel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, so I might care a little bit.
Plus, it's fun to give trolls a choice of 2 *******s to use.

KenP 07-25-2005 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by Weasel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DRTYFN:
I don't remember wanting to win people over & impress others when I bought my H2.


ok cool, so if you don't care what others think or say then whats the point of posting? ignore the other idiots and go wheel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>At least you have a brain. And thanks to the other jpers that have shown they have one too.

As for the rest of you, GFY.


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