I'm going to start taking pictures of Jeeps parked on pavement. If possible I'm going to get pics of the undersides showing their lack of off-roading rock rash. I saw a funny one just this morning with a rainbow sticker in the window. I'm never going to leave the house w/o my digi.

There's probably no pics of H2 going through the stuff where the Jeeps got stuck because nobody thought the little piss ant bumps and mud puddles were noteworthy.

oh **** that you stupid ass **** jeep ****s....

And you guys here....Constantly bring up the jealousy thing...
Its not Jealousy...Its a matter of where to put your money.

I see guys spend 60K or more on rigs of all kinds all the time. To me its smarter to buy a cheaper rig and build it more capable then spending the total amount on the vehilce.

Are you guys going to honsetly tell me that a bone stock H2 will go the same places a jeep built with 60K worth of equipment is going to go?

Trust me....There might be some people who are Jealous of hummers. They just are not very well informed....regardless of what you guys say.

I have spent a lot of years wheeling...had lots of friends with lots of rigs and some of them are very very well off. None of them would own a Hummer. They would rather spend their money on a vehicle that suits their needs. As would I.
And if you think that is knocking hummers...your crazy.

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Well, I notice you conveniently dodged the questions. I'd say that's an example of weak character.

Just go a Google picture search. First type in Jeep and see the ratio of Jeeps on dirt compared to off. Then try Hummer and/or H2. Look at the ratio again. Its kinda hard to argue with.

What color H2 you drive, so next time you are stuck I can take a photo before I pull you out?

No one ever said that there aren't plenty of stupid jeep owners out there you jack ass.

Keep it up...Im sure the rest of the wheeling comunity is getting a load of your "my **** is better then yours" attitude.

You are nothing but ammo to my argument

The question was not aimed at me, it was anothers post you were respoding to. Get your facts straight before you try to sound impressive.

And did you refine your search to ONLY show you pictures of 2003 and newer Jeeps? You define ignorance.
And you won't be pulling me out because I come prepared.

As you can see, I didn't say that you were jealous, I said it screams jealousy. So you think it is smart to spent the money building what you want. So be it. That is certainly up to you and I would never knock it. I don't think that anyone said that a H2 would or wouldn't go where a Jeep built with $60K would go. That has never been the debate. It is all personal preference. If I want to spend $60K on a rig straight from the factory rather than build one, that is my choice. Doesn't change whether it is capable or not. And to argue your case by saying you would like to see an H2 go between trees that a Jeep barely fits between or over fresh snow is kind of a lame argument. Not one H2 owner that I saw said that a H2 could go anywhere a Jeep can go regardless if it came down to size. They are both very capable vehicles and if you truly want to have an open mind and see what an H2 can or can't do, meet the group out at Moab in Oct. Go wheeling together, I bet everyone will have a great time once the brand rivalry is left behind.

Could you honestly expect anything different with the fact that there are tens of thousands more jeeps out there than Hummers

Whaaaa.....mommy, they are making fun of my brand new 60k H2! Whaaaa! LOL!

Ok, sorry, couldnt resist. Just picked up the new Four Wheeler and it had the top picks in each class listed. Of course the Rubicon took the compact SUV hands down, but the H2 took the Fullsize SUV, over the H1, due to price. It did also beat out the Landcruiser so I have to give points for that.

You guys need more flex though!

What is that, like 6" of travel? LOL!

Anyhow, to both sides: STFU and lets go wheel! We will never prove anything masturbating the keys of the keyboard on a forum. The trail doesn't lie.

Anything about the H3 in there?

As far as the google search, try serching "Jeep TJ" which came out in '97, to narrow the field.

Or, if you are up to it, try "Jeep Rubicon" which came out in 2003. Please, please try Jeep Rubicon! That good enough for ya?

It will narrow the field but that is still 6 years difference. You also have to take into account that the sales figures for each year won't be comparible due to the selling price of each.

I know, I brought up the whole price thing but not as a negative for either side.

You Jeep guys can continue to drive your POS Jeeps through tiny little trails just big enough for you to pass. Who the hell wants to do that?? It's very funny to me that you consider that "Wheeling"
Of course you don't care if you hit a couple of Trees along the way because those of you that don't care drive the biggest "Little" POS Jeeps around!!
You see ... the trick to wheeling is to at least try to avoid accidents if possible!
If you actually cared about your ride you would learn how to "wheel" and try not to hit anything!
The truth is anyone can have a Jeep including lot's of High School Grads, but if given the choice of a Hummer or a Jeep to keep and drive I can tell you anyone and I mean anyone including all you Jeepers would take the Hummer.
Admit it or don't but the first step to releasing your obvious pent up jealousy is admitting you have a problem!
Good Luck to ya!

Well, OK, Im not sure your idea of wheeling....but stick to the dirt roads, as thats seems to be the only thing you didnt rule out!

If I wanted to drive an H2 I could buy any Chevy SUV for half the price. And BTW, I love driving my Jeep, everyday, as a daily driver....as do most Jeep owners, so I challenge you to back up the claim that most Jeep owners would rather have an H2 "to keep and drive."

Anyone know why Jeep will no longer be making the soft top. Why the new TK will have a fixed rear roof and side panels instead of a removable hard or soft top?

Better buy a real Jeep while you can.

The rumors are that those protoypes were displayed for a cross section of Jeep owners to get input on that idea. As far as I know that is not production, nor anyway reflecting what will be done in 2006.

BTW, Jeep has yet to release the model designation of the new Jeep. Speculation is the TJ designation may end and a new one is forthcoming perhaps

Oh yeah, my widdo feewings is sooo hurt.

Dude, what are you talking about. The TK is the 2007 model of the Wrangler. It's the all new designed and is being tested as we type. It won't have 6 banger anymore, will not have removeable tops and...... I can't remember off the top of my head the other stuff.

It's not brand new information. It's been known for a little while. Do a search for 07 TK or the like, I am sure this already a bunch of stuff out on it.