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Finally, some common ground. MH and H2-CP, I agree completely that the solution to these difficult issues is better parenting. That being said, how can you get out of parents that which their parents never put in? (e.g. respect for self and others, reverence for education, moral values, etc.) How do we break this cycle? Blaming the kids won't do it. Blaming the parents won't do it. I think we kneed to educate parents. As I stated once on a very old thread, one needs a license to legally ride a bike on a city street or own a dog or drive a car, but practically any pair of fukking idiots can spawn a child (as long as their genders differ). No need to know anything about child rearing or anything else. I think that if most parents knew ahead of time how things that they did would affect their kids later in life, most would parent a lot better. We are the fortunate ones. We had role models that worked to our advantage. JMHO.