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07-14-2006, 01:30 AM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
69:1 sounds like a great ratio. How does that compare to brands such as Jeeps and Toyotas??
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07-14-2006, 01:51 AM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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Every equation I have ever seen for a crawl ratio has never taken into account the torque converter. Reason is it is next to impossible since the converter slips at a different rate at different engine rpms. Therefore, the calculation would be next to impossible. You would have to figure out all the different rpms you would have in a given range.
All crawl ratios are figured without the torque converter taken into account by any manufacturer I have ever seen.
I have seen calculations for the H1, but it also takes into account the wheel multipliers too.
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as flywheel RPMs increase the torque converter is less and less efficient. The torque multiplication only occurs during a small RPM range on most small trucks due to many reasons. With electronics controlling lockup, along with the inefficiency of the converter itself, it's moot to consider it a factor for crawl ratio.
If one could effectively figure out the actual RPM range to hold the vehicle at and the electronics wasn't controlling the converter, you would burn the converter up and overheat the transmission.
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07-14-2006, 06:19 AM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
Crawl ratio with an automatic is just about meaningless anyway, with the torque converter disconnecting the driveline from the engine. Unless you like to launch off the top of rocks, and test your brake reflex skills, get a manual, with which the H3 has an exemplary crawl ratio.
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07-14-2006, 10:41 AM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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Crawl ratio with an automatic is just about meaningless anyway, with the torque converter disconnecting the driveline from the engine. Unless you like to launch off the top of rocks, and test your brake reflex skills, get a manual, with which the H3 has an exemplary crawl ratio.
Michael
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I will never have a manual, again, for off-roading. Too many times you have to ride the clutch to get out of sand, over rocks, etc., and if you have to stop going uphill, an auto makes it a lot easier.
When riding over a boulder with a manual, you have the same problem at a very low speed, you ride the clutch, then have to test your brake reflex skills just like an auto.
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07-14-2006, 03:24 PM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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I will never have a manual, again, for off-roading. Too many times you have to ride the clutch to get out of sand, over rocks, etc., and if you have to stop going uphill, an auto makes it a lot easier.
When riding over a boulder with a manual, you have the same problem at a very low speed, you ride the clutch, then have to test your brake reflex skills just like an auto.
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agreed
besides, crawl ratio is something web wheelers get all warm and fuzzy about
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07-14-2006, 03:29 PM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
Same here! I regret getting a manual transmission for four wheeling. My last truck was an auto and was a lot better!!
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07-14-2006, 04:13 PM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
No no no. Don't fret. I rode along with " 4-lo" (I dunno if that is his name here or not) in Tellico. He had a Yota pick-up manual and it was sweet.
There are a lot of things you can do with it that help you tailor the tranny. It really crawls in 1st. He taught me some moves with his shifter ( ) when turning and maneuvering around, it was a lot of work but pretty darn cool.
There are manual techniques that are to your advantage. You just have to stay off the clutch. Plus they are easier to fix etc. Maybe you could check it out or pm him and ask.
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
I prefer an auto for offroad jmtcw
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
Auto, good enough for H1 and H2 good enough for me and my three
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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No no no. Don't fret. I rode along with " 4-lo" (I dunno if that is his name here or not) in Tellico. He had a Yota pick-up manual and it was sweet.
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Ken had a fun and wild ride across the creek with him at the bottom of #5 on Sunday night too
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07-14-2006, 07:59 PM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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69:1 sounds like a great ratio. How does that compare to brands such as Jeeps and Toyotas??
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It's best in class for 2006 models, but the 2006 JK Rubicon Ultd will beat it next year. The source I used for this graph supplied different numbers than the ones in this thread. I'll update them when I get a chance.
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
In the Automatic, the H3 will have best in class crawl ratio bar none. (Here are some updated graphs ... easier to read.
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07-14-2006, 09:21 PM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
Wisha, can you do a power to weight ratio comparison??
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07-14-2006, 09:46 PM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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Too many times you have to ride the clutch to get out of sand, over rocks, etc., and if you have to stop going uphill, an auto makes it a lot easier.
When riding over a boulder with a manual, you have the same problem at a very low speed, you ride the clutch, then have to test your brake reflex skills just like an auto.
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I think offroad driving techniques really aren't that different for automatics vs. manuals. Brake-throttle-modulation techniques used for wheeling automatic transmissions are comparable to feathering the clutch in manuals. There are times I love the control of a manual (usually offroad), and times I wish I had an automatic (like when I go to pay a parking garage attendent located on a steep grade and some A-hole pulls up 2 inches behind me).
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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When riding over a boulder with a manual, you have the same problem at a very low speed, you ride the clutch, then have to test your brake reflex skills just like an auto.
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Have you tried an H3 rock crawling with the 4:1 transfer case and adventure package? With a 68 to 1 crawl ratio, how much riding of the clutch do you need to do? That thing barely moves. That thing eats rocks for lunch with the clutch fully engaged. No slipping requred.
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07-14-2006, 11:26 PM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
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Wisha, can you do a power to weight ratio comparison??
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Sure, but imho you have to factor in the gearing to get the whole picture. Here ya go.
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
Here's a chart for Geared Crawl HP to Weight ratio
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07-15-2006, 12:08 AM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
I heart teh neeeerds
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07-15-2006, 12:41 AM
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
Here's a look at the Geared Torque - Weight ratio
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Re: Crawl Ratio??
THAT"S more like it!!!
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