Hip-Hop is Dead!

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Can those of you that like or favor rap explain its positive points. Don't do it in SOAPBOX fashion just use plane old english.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by h2co-pilot

Well, put on your grill and come over here.

[KenP]

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

use plane old english.

It's PLAIN.

Here's my .02, but I want change.

A rapper has a hit and makes tons of money. Now the rapper is no longer part of the victimized population he's been rapping about and supposedly from, he's part of the priviledged class. In order to retain his acceptance in the "crowd", he debases himself by becoming mysoginistic and violent in his lyrics continuing a downward spiral originated by his predecessors.

The more money the rapper makes, the more outlandish he must become. Soon he's a gun toting, drug using, woman abusing thug wannabe. Guns become part of this subculture, as are faceless and emotionless barely clad women, constantly gyrating, inviting men to use and abuse them.

What's sad, is the number of black leaders who don't condemn this behavior because it puts black faces on TV and their voices on the radio. Nevermind the consequences of their followers faces in mug shots.

[dеiтайожни]

That doesn't make much sense. You are saying a person can only speak about their current situation. They are entertainers, like actors who may portray people they aren't, ever have been or ever will be. So after a rapper gets their first hit and is a multimillionaire.. they have to start rapping about their new situation? I'm sure they would be popular rapping about the downsides of fame and how long it takes to vacuum an 18,000 sq ft house.

The more money a rapper makes the more attention they get, obviously you aren't going to hear about every new rapper's affairs until they do something worthy of air time.

Again, I don't know what you guys think your qualifications to make these claims are. You have no idea what rap entails besides the 4 songs that the media tells you are bad. You aren't making decisions for yourselves, you are doing as you are told.

[MarineHawk]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

That doesn't make much sense. You are saying a person can only speak about their current situation. They are entertainers, like actors who may portray people they aren't, ever have been or ever will be.

It's a nice argument, but one that defies reality. When people see these rap videos on MTV or BET or whatever (I've seen plenty), it seems like these guys are acting like what they really are (in a perhaps exaggerated manner). That's the message they are trying to convey. It's obvious. They are trying to act like they really are violent, anti-establishment, warlord thugs. It increases their revenue and plays to their basest instincts. When Kurt Russell played Snake Plissken or when Peter O'Toole played the murderous Henry II, no one ever thought that O'Toole and Russell were murderers. The rap stars WANT their audience to think they're killers - not so much Russell anbd O'Toole. And the rapper gangstas achive a fair degree of success in that endeavor. That's the difference. You can deny it all you want, but I bet that most people get this intuitively.

Music is only music. I listen to rap, jazz, rock, classical too. And last night I saw Madame Butterfly performed by the San Jose Opera at the fully restored California 1920's theater downtown.

[The ArchiTexan]

Dei, granted, you are an arguer, but your argument is weak. From what I read the anti-rappers win. Your arguments for the positive side not only fall short, but there is no support, facts, or documentation from any ?highly regarded? expert, other than yourself. Most all of us who are for rap?s demise could come up with any number of authoritative citations about the dangerous and detrimental affects of rap on the general culture at large. So continue with your stubborn, narrow minded, blinded opinions. It is useless arguing with youth because you know everything and regard any information contrary to your views as worthless and antiquated.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by MarineHawk

It's a nice argument, but one that defies reality. When people see these rap videos on MTV or BET or whatever (I've seen plenty), it seems like these guys are acting like what they really are Depp acted like he really was George Jung in Blow (in a perhaps exaggerated manner). That's the message they are trying to convey. It's obvious. They are trying to act like they really are violent, anti-establishment, warlord thugs. It increases their revenue and plays to their basest instincts. When Kurt Russell played Snake Plissken or when Peter O'Toole played the murderous Henry II, no one ever thought that O'Toole and Russell were murderers. The rap stars WANT their audience to think they're killers Actors WANT their audience to think they're what their characters are, too. It wouldn't be too real if Al Pacino acted like Viktor Taransky from Simone while playing Tony Montana in Scarface.- not so much Russell anbd O'Toole. And the rapper gangstas achive a fair degree of success in that endeavor. Bad actors don't make money either, incentive to be good. That's the difference. You can deny it all you want, but I bet that most people get this intuitively.

The difference is, rappers' characters are based on themselves, they market themselves whereas Al Pacino will market Tony Montana, Michael Corleone and Sonny. For rappers, it is what they will always be, they didn't take Kurt Russell and think up an entire fictional movie based around him, it was the opposite. And it's not going to be his character for life, he can go from Escape from New York to Captain Ron freely. P. Diddy can't just switch genres and go be Christina Aguilera for a day.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by The ArchiTexan

Dei, granted, you are an arguer, but your argument is weak. From what I read the anti-rappers win. Your arguments for the positive side not only fall short, but there is no support, facts, or documentation from any ?highly regarded? expert, other than yourself. Most all of us who are for rap?s demise could come up with any number of authoritative citations about the dangerous and detrimental affects of rap on the general culture at large. So continue with your stubborn, narrow minded, blinded opinions. It is useless arguing with youth because you know everything and regard any information contrary to your views as worthless and antiquated.

I'm shocked, you've been against this the entire time and now you are taking a stand and saying I'm wrong. Listening to you about what rap is, is about as brilliant as asking a 4 year old for retirement planning advice.

You can state that there is violence in the world but I'm telling you it's not because of rap. Go ahead, get rid of rap for a few years. I'm willing to do that to prove to you that violence and the like will still be around without it.

[The ArchiTexan]

Nobody said that getting rid of rap would end violence or crime. Violence and crime will always be with us. Killing rap will end part of the glorification. There is no need to glorify the disgusting, the ugly, or the violent. These are all hallmarks of rap. Although youth must rebel, why is it they mostly choose the most unattractive path. Rarely do youth rebel against their parents or society by surpassing them or making the world more beautiful. Youth have the knack of lowering the standards set by their predecessors. You could be proud to say that you’re definitely part of the ugly mob.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by The ArchiTexan

It is useless arguing with youth because you know everything and regard any information contrary to your views as worthless and antiquated.

Playing the age card, huh? Do I take it you are out of the debate then? You really didn't have much to offer anyhow. How old does one have to be before their opinions and views will matter? At what age will you become a push-over and give into the opinion of a majority? As CP mentioned, I'm not much younger than the rest of you.

[The ArchiTexan]

Silly boy, it's time for your nap. You'll know all about the world when you grow up....goodnight.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by The ArchiTexan

Nobody said that getting rid of rap would end violence or crime. Violence and crime will always be with us. Killing rap will end part of the glorification. There is no need to glorify the disgusting, the ugly, or the violent. These are all hallmarks of rap. Although youth must rebel, why is it they mostly choose the most unattractive path. Rarely do youth rebel against their parents or society by surpassing them or making the world more beautiful. Youth have the knack of lowering the standards set by their predecessors. You could be proud to say that you?re definitely part of the ugly mob.

And I'm telling you that rap isn't what you are saying it is. I'm certainly more of an expert on it than you are, as you don't even listen to it. Give me 1 song that glorifies violence and crime and I'll give you 10 that don't. How many people my age do you converse with on a daily basis? How long has it been since you were in high school or college? I think I have a little better idea of what the actual effect of rap is on the people you are worried about than you do.

[dеiтайожни]

Originally Posted by The ArchiTexan

Silly boy, it's time for your nap. You'll know all about the world when you grow up....goodnight.

Nice playing with you. Bye.

[The Green Lantern]

BTT

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Originally Posted by dеiтайожни

That doesn't make much sense. You are saying a person can only speak about their current situation. They are entertainers, like actors who may portray people they aren't, ever have been or ever will be. So after a rapper gets their first hit and is a multimillionaire.. they have to start rapping about their new situation? I'm sure they would be popular rapping about the downsides of fame and how long it takes to vacuum an 18,000 sq ft house.

The more money a rapper makes the more attention they get, obviously you aren't going to hear about every new rapper's affairs until they do something worthy of air time.

Again, I don't know what you guys think your qualifications to make these claims are. You have no idea what rap entails besides the 4 songs that the media tells you are bad. You aren't making decisions for yourselves, you are doing as you are told.

Hold on there youngster !!!!!!

No ONE and I mean NO ONE tells me what to like and dislike...

I make my own decisions and I have listened to rap and yes there is some that doesn't talk about killing the man(police) and some that doesn't talk about doin it to someones daughter...

BUT the stuff that gets played over and over, more then not is the stuff thats promotes crime, violence, sex, drugs and death...

I'm 60 and everyday I learn something new, the same way YOUNG kids, teens, 18 & 19 year olds AND Younger Adults do. The younger you are the more influenced you are by your peers and heros. ALL generations before us had there rebels but none of them DEGRADED WOMEN & society the way rap does...

Luckily GOTH never made it big but it still isn't on the same level as rap. Sorry a lot of rap is CRAP.......................

A lot of music is crap. And the crap I avoid. Nobody is going to tell me what to (or not to) listen to. This is American and money talks.

Sweeping statements about one type of music or another don't mean squat. I'll do whatever the f*ck I want.

Originally Posted by The ArchiTexan

Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young back man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!

I'm part of the solution, we are pioneers here in Silicon Valley, creators of technology, wealth, hope in a international business environment. Here in this valley is the largest collection of highly educated and intelligent people in the world. Sheez, you should know better.

So I like Luda, Fergie, Chamillionaire music occassionally,wtf.

[RubHer Yellow Ducky]

Long live Gary Coleman

[KenP]

Originally Posted by RubHer Yellow Ducky

Long live Gary Coleman

Didn't see this coming, did ya?