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Old 05-07-2007, 12:31 AM
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Hold on there youngster !!!!!!

No ONE and I mean NO ONE tells me what to like and dislike...

I make my own decisions and I have listened to rap and yes there is some that doesn't talk about killing the man(police) and some that doesn't talk about doin it to someones daughter...

BUT the stuff that gets played over and over, more then not is the stuff thats promotes crime, violence, sex, drugs and death...

I'm 60 and everyday I learn something new, the same way YOUNG kids, teens, 18 & 19 year olds AND Younger Adults do. The younger you are the more influenced you are by your peers and heros. ALL generations before us had there rebels but none of them DEGRADED WOMEN & society the way rap does...

Luckily GOTH never made it big but it still isn't on the same level as rap. Sorry a lot of rap is CRAP.......................


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I'm part of the solution, we are pioneers here in Silicon Valley, creators of technology, wealth, hope in a international business environment. Here in this valley is the largest collection of highly educated and intelligent people in the world. Sheez, you should know better.

So I like Luda, Fergie, Chamillionaire music occassionally,wtf.

You're the exception then, just like me. Everyone is the exception except for the the small group of people who are statistically prone to committing crimes regardless. Whether they like rap or are just stereotyped as liking it.
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OKay here is an interesting article from Friday (bitches ):

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Has rap music hit a wall?


March 5, 2007

NEW YORK (Associated Press) -- Maybe it was the umpteenth coke-dealing anthem or soft-porn music video. Perhaps it was the preening antics that some call reminiscent of Stepin Fetchit.

The turning point is hard to pinpoint. But after 30 years of growing popularity, rap music is now struggling with an alarming sales decline and growing criticism from within about the culture's negative effect on society.

Rap insider Chuck Creekmur, who runs the leading Web site Allhiphop.com, says he got a message from a friend recently "asking me to hook her up with some Red Hot Chili Peppers because she said she's through with rap. A lot of people are sick of rap ... the negativity is just over the top now." (Watch how hip-hop can revel in stereotypes -- or highlight injusticeVideo)

The rapper Nas, considered one of the greats, challenged the condition of the art form when he titled his latest album "Hip-Hop is Dead." It's at least ailing, according to recent statistics: Though music sales are down overall, rap sales slid a whopping 21 percent from 2005 to 2006, and for the first time in 12 years no rap album was among the top 10 sellers of the year.

A recent study by the Black Youth Project showed a majority of youth think rap has too many violent images. In a poll of black Americans by The Associated Press and AOL-Black Voices last year, 50 percent of respondents said hip-hop was a negative force in American society.

Nicole Duncan-Smith grew up on rap, worked in the rap industry for years and is married to a hip-hop producer. She still listens to rap, but says it no longer speaks to or for her. She wrote the children's book "I Am Hip-Hop" partly to create something positive about rap for young children, including her 4-year-old daughter.

"I'm not removed from it, but I can't really tell the difference between Young Jeezy and Yung Joc. It's the same dumb stuff to me," says Duncan-Smith, 33. "I can't listen to that nonsense ... I can't listen to another black man talk about you don't come to the 'hood anymore and ghetto revivals ... I'm from the 'hood. How can you tell me you want to revive it? How about you want to change it? Rejuvenate it?"

Hip-hop also seems to be increasingly blamed for a variety of social ills. Studies have attempted to link it to everything from teen drug use to increased sexual activity among young girls.

Even the mayhem that broke out in Las Vegas during last week's NBA All-Star Game was blamed on hip-hoppers. "(NBA Commissioner) David Stern seriously needs to consider moving the event out of the country for the next couple of years in hopes that young, hip-hop hoodlums would find another event to terrorize," columnist Jason Whitlock, who is black, wrote on AOL.

While rap has been in essence pop music for years, and most rap consumers are white, some worry that the black community is suffering from hip-hop -- from the way America perceives blacks to the attitudes and images being adopted by black youth.

But the rapper David Banner derides the growing criticism as blacks joining America's attack on young black men who are only reflecting the crushing problems within their communities. Besides, he says, that's the kind of music America wants to hear.

"Look at the music that gets us popular -- 'Like a Pimp,' " says Banner, naming his hit.

"What makes it so difficult is to know that we need to be doing other things. But the truth is at least us talking about what we're talking about, we can bring certain things to the light," he says. "They want (black artists) to shuck and jive, but they don't want us to tell the real story because they're connected to it."

Criticism of hip-hop is certainly nothing new -- it's as much a part of the culture as the beats and rhymes. Among the early accusations were that rap wasn't true music, its lyrics were too raw, its street message too polarizing. But they rarely came from the youthful audience itself, which was enraptured with genre that defined them as none other could.

"As people within the hip-hop generation get older, I think the criticism is increasing," says author Bakari Kitwana, who is currently part of a lecture tour titled "Does Hip-Hop Hate Women?"

"There was a more of a tendency when we were younger to be more defensive of it," he adds.

During her '90s crusade against rap's habit of degrading women, the late black activist C. Dolores Tucker certainly had few allies within the hip-hop community, or even among young black women. Backed by folks like conservative Republican William Bennett, Tucker was vilified within rap circles.

In retrospect, "many of us weren't listening," says Tracy Denean Sharpley-Whiting, a professor at Vanderbilt University and author of the new book "Pimps Up, Ho's Down: Hip-Hop's Hold On Young Black Women."

"She was onto something, but most of us said, 'They're not calling me a bitch, they're not talking about me, they're talking about THOSE women.' But then it became clear that, you know what? Those women can be any women."

One rap fan, Bryan Hunt, made the searing documentary "Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes," which debuted on PBS this month. Hunt addresses the biggest criticisms of rap, from its treatment of women to the glorification of the gangsta lifestyle that has become the default posture for many of today's most popular rappers.

"I love hip-hop," Hunt, 36, says in the documentary. "I sometimes feel bad for criticizing hip-hop, but I want to get us men to take a look at ourselves."

Even dances that may seem innocuous are not above the fray. Last summer, as the "Chicken Noodle Soup" song and accompanying dance became a sensation, Baltimore Sun pop critic Rashod D. Ollison mused that the dance -- demonstrated in the video by young people stomping wildly from side to side -- was part of the growing minstrelization of rap music.

"The music, dances and images in the video are clearly reminiscent of the era when pop culture reduced blacks to caricatures: lazy 'coons,' grinning 'pickaninnies,' sexually super-charged 'bucks,' " he wrote.

And then there's the criminal aspect that has long been a part of rap. In the '70s, groups may have rapped about drug dealing and street violence, but rap stars weren't the embodiment of criminals themselves. Today, the most popular and successful rappers boast about who has murdered more foes and rhyme about dealing drugs as breezily as other artists sing about love.

Creekmur says music labels have overfed the public on gangsta rap, obscuring artists who represent more positive and varied aspects of black life, like Talib Kweli, Common and Lupe Fiasco.

"It boils down to a complete lack of balance, and whenever there's a complete lack of balance people are going to reject it, whether it's positive or negative," Creekmur says.

Yet Banner says there's a reason why acts like KRS-One and Public Enemy don't sell anymore. He recalled that even his own fans rebuffed positive songs he made -- like "Cadillac on 22s," about staying away from street life -- in favor of songs like "Like a Pimp."

"The American public had an opportunity to pick what they wanted from David Banner," he says. "I wish America would just be honest. America is sick. ... America loves violence and sex."

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You're the exception then, just like me. Everyone is the exception except for the the small group of people who are statistically prone to committing crimes regardless. Whether they like rap or are just stereotyped as liking it.

Agreed.
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In the past 15 years There is maybe 4 or 5 rap songs that I've enjoyed.

LL Cool J, some Beastie and the latest Chamillion's Ridin DRTY .


The rest give me migranes.

The gangsta wannabes booming that stuff from their 85 Toyota Corollas I find especially amusing.
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Few may know this, but rap music was originally created by the Visigoths and Vandals. They spread their violent angry rap tunes and dancing into the central regions of the Roman Empire by the early fifth century. It played a critical role in the decline of the Roman Empire, leading to the sacking of Rome in 410 and 455. Prior to that, the Romans had internal plumbing and flushing toilets, both of which were not to be seen again until the early 19th century in Europe. So, embrace rap music all you want, but if you do, you will soon lose your toilets and will be throwing you turds out the window.
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....just checkin', is this thread dead?


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as dead as the rip-off fest they call rap
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Hang the blessed DJ, because the music that they constantly play - IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE.


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Hang the blessed DJ, because the music that they constantly play - IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE.



How bout we hang the thread starter?

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How bout we hang the thread starter?

Or in light of the thread....
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Oh it's not dead. I'm just taking a break, listening to some Eric Clapton - Cocaine and Judas Priest - Breaking the Law. After I get back from my coke binge and crime spree, we will resume.
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Speaking of dead, Lmp Bizket...
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Sheez! So, you are the exception! I smoke, but I know it is harmful. I drink, but I know it can harm me. I know child abuse leads to adults who abuse; I know that rude behavior begets rude behavior. I know that listening to rock music at high volumes can damage your ears, but I do it. You won?t give an inch on the reality and documentation of the dangerous effects of gangsta rap on youth! What are you nuts? Or blind? Yes, Elvis was a horrible influence, he brought on rock, then came punk, now we have rap! What?s next? If the society doesn?t band together, it will just keep sinking lower and lower. Come on! Even the most ignorant poor understand the detrimental effects of rap music. I was just watching the show One On One and a young black man said, ?Oh, you don?t want to go to the Bing Dance, it is full of gangstas!" It is even on TV. Maybe that would convince you. Wow! If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!


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Wow. Lots of passion on this topic people. .

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Hip Hop is gonna live (Rap is dead)
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