Good Guy VS. Bad Guy

[Kevin B]

If thats a M821A1 50 cal. Im thinking the rules have changed or why the scope .

BTW Steve, maybe a "graphic photo" warning would be in order. Not to piss on the campfire but my 10 year old and I check this site out togather . Any posts by Drty are to be expected but YOU slipped that one by .

[Kevin B]

If thats a M821A1 50 cal. Im thinking the rules have changed or why the scope .

BTW Steve, maybe a "graphic photo" warning would be in order. Not to piss on the campfire but my 10 year old and I check this site out togather . Any posts by Drty are to be expected but YOU slipped that one by .

[PARAGON]

If I remember correctly it was brought into service as an anti-armor round and was scoped with a low (10x or so) power scope. It was to be used for armor such as taking down a helo or disabling a vehicle, and putting out HE rounds that would explode at implacements. But that gun was brought into service about 15 years ago or so, and I have no idea. I just remember a time when things were so panty-anty and that's the reason we have FMJ NATO rounds and not some super-duper ballistic tip hollow points to fire at the SOB's that are firing back.

[PARAGON]

If I remember correctly it was brought into service as an anti-armor round and was scoped with a low (10x or so) power scope. It was to be used for armor such as taking down a helo or disabling a vehicle, and putting out HE rounds that would explode at implacements. But that gun was brought into service about 15 years ago or so, and I have no idea. I just remember a time when things were so panty-anty and that's the reason we have FMJ NATO rounds and not some super-duper ballistic tip hollow points to fire at the SOB's that are firing back.

[DRTYFN]

BOO YAH!!!!!

I wish I could go over there and help with the sniping. It'd be just like taking squirrels & rock chucks at 200 yards with a varmint rifle.

[DRTYFN]

BOO YAH!!!!!

I wish I could go over there and help with the sniping. It'd be just like taking squirrels & rock chucks at 200 yards with a varmint rifle.

[DennisAJC]

I have this strange craving for strawberries and cream.

[DennisAJC]

I have this strange craving for strawberries and cream.

[RI Hummer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Not to discount the photos and the kill, but rules of engagement used to not allow a Barrett M82A1 .50BMG to be used as an anti-personnel weapon. One had to be firing on a fortified position or vehicle and if a body got smoked, it was considered collateral. Of course, with a range out to 2000 meters it does allow one to snipe these chumps before they can get close enough to hurt someone else and maybe it's being allowed there now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That depends on the circumstance. If the individual involved saw (or his spotter) the terrorist making threatning actions towards other US forces or civilians under US protection, his only course of action at the time may have been the use of the weapon in question. ROE (Rules Of Engagement) would allow the use of the weapon for this type of kill.

I have to agree with N2ITNSD, Try a warning before posting this kind of stuff.

RI



Rules of Engagement


The Commander’s Rules for

The Use of Force

ROE 101

Back to the Basics

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

ROE always fall into one of two distinct functional categories:

SELF DEFENSE

or

MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

ROE are not merely a restatement of the Law of War, but the commander’s rules for the use of force

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

ROE may be generally restrictive or generally permissive, depending on the mission

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

JCS Standing Rules of Engagement (CJCSI 3121.01A, 15 JAN 00)

Apply to US forces

During military attacks against the US and

During ALL military operations, contingencies, and terrorist attacks occurring outside US territory

Not to be confused with Rules for Use of Force (peacetime operations within US territory)

ROE 101: Definitions

Hostile Act

An attack or other use of force

Against US and US forces (and others as designated)

Including force used directly to preclude or impede the mission and/or duties of US forces

CJCSI 3121.01A, para. 5(g)

ROE 101: Definitions

Hostile Intent

The threat of imminent use of force

Against the US and US Forces (and others as designated)

Including threat to use force to preclude or impede the mission and/or duties of US forces


CJCSI 3121.01A, para. 5(h)

ROE 101: Definitions

Hostile Force

Any civilian, paramilitary, or military force, or terrorist(s)

With or without national designation

That has committed hostile act, exhibited hostile intent

Or has been declared hostile by appropriate authority

CJCSI 3121.01A, para. 5(i)

ROE 101: Self Defense

The inherent right to use all necessary means available and to take all appropriate actions to defend oneself, unit, other US forces from a hostile act or demonstrated hostile intent.

For commanders, self-defense is an obligation.

ROE 101: Self Defense

Elements of Self-Defense CJCSI 3121.01A, 5f.

At all times, the requirements of necessity and proportionality will form the basis for judgment as to what constitutes an appropriate response (para. 5a.)

Necessity: Exists when a hostile act occurs or when a force or terrorist(s) exhibits hostile intent

Proportionality: Force used to counter a hostile act or demonstrated hostile intent must be reasonable in intensity, duration and magnitude based on all facts known at the time.

ROE 101: Self Defense

Who and What can I defend?

Host nation has principal responsibility for defending US nationals and their property (amplification of this rule is confidential).

Under certain circumstances, self-defense right may extend to US nationals and their property and/or US commercial assets.

NCA must approve defense of non-US forces, foreign nationals and their property. (Collective SD)

[RI Hummer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Not to discount the photos and the kill, but rules of engagement used to not allow a Barrett M82A1 .50BMG to be used as an anti-personnel weapon. One had to be firing on a fortified position or vehicle and if a body got smoked, it was considered collateral. Of course, with a range out to 2000 meters it does allow one to snipe these chumps before they can get close enough to hurt someone else and maybe it's being allowed there now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That depends on the circumstance. If the individual involved saw (or his spotter) the terrorist making threatning actions towards other US forces or civilians under US protection, his only course of action at the time may have been the use of the weapon in question. ROE (Rules Of Engagement) would allow the use of the weapon for this type of kill.

I have to agree with N2ITNSD, Try a warning before posting this kind of stuff.

RI



Rules of Engagement


The Commander’s Rules for

The Use of Force

ROE 101

Back to the Basics

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

ROE always fall into one of two distinct functional categories:

SELF DEFENSE

or

MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

ROE are not merely a restatement of the Law of War, but the commander’s rules for the use of force

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

ROE may be generally restrictive or generally permissive, depending on the mission

ROE 101: Fundamental Concepts

JCS Standing Rules of Engagement (CJCSI 3121.01A, 15 JAN 00)

Apply to US forces

During military attacks against the US and

During ALL military operations, contingencies, and terrorist attacks occurring outside US territory

Not to be confused with Rules for Use of Force (peacetime operations within US territory)

ROE 101: Definitions

Hostile Act

An attack or other use of force

Against US and US forces (and others as designated)

Including force used directly to preclude or impede the mission and/or duties of US forces

CJCSI 3121.01A, para. 5(g)

ROE 101: Definitions

Hostile Intent

The threat of imminent use of force

Against the US and US Forces (and others as designated)

Including threat to use force to preclude or impede the mission and/or duties of US forces


CJCSI 3121.01A, para. 5(h)

ROE 101: Definitions

Hostile Force

Any civilian, paramilitary, or military force, or terrorist(s)

With or without national designation

That has committed hostile act, exhibited hostile intent

Or has been declared hostile by appropriate authority

CJCSI 3121.01A, para. 5(i)

ROE 101: Self Defense

The inherent right to use all necessary means available and to take all appropriate actions to defend oneself, unit, other US forces from a hostile act or demonstrated hostile intent.

For commanders, self-defense is an obligation.

ROE 101: Self Defense

Elements of Self-Defense CJCSI 3121.01A, 5f.

At all times, the requirements of necessity and proportionality will form the basis for judgment as to what constitutes an appropriate response (para. 5a.)

Necessity: Exists when a hostile act occurs or when a force or terrorist(s) exhibits hostile intent

Proportionality: Force used to counter a hostile act or demonstrated hostile intent must be reasonable in intensity, duration and magnitude based on all facts known at the time.

ROE 101: Self Defense

Who and What can I defend?

Host nation has principal responsibility for defending US nationals and their property (amplification of this rule is confidential).

Under certain circumstances, self-defense right may extend to US nationals and their property and/or US commercial assets.

NCA must approve defense of non-US forces, foreign nationals and their property. (Collective SD)

[PARAGON]

Well, if you remember the video from the Apache smoking a couple of guys next to a tractor out in a field using his 30mm chain gun. That was against personnel with hostile intent. So, sniping a bomb-toter with a .50 cal should easily fall within ROE there.

I am just happy to see that we have guys there deployed with that kind of hardware. Easily take out unfriendlies from a distance before they can get into an area that would do damage or before they get to detonate. Hell I think every squad over there should have one and along with his eyes provide cover while they are on a maneuver.

[PARAGON]

Well, if you remember the video from the Apache smoking a couple of guys next to a tractor out in a field using his 30mm chain gun. That was against personnel with hostile intent. So, sniping a bomb-toter with a .50 cal should easily fall within ROE there.

I am just happy to see that we have guys there deployed with that kind of hardware. Easily take out unfriendlies from a distance before they can get into an area that would do damage or before they get to detonate. Hell I think every squad over there should have one and along with his eyes provide cover while they are on a maneuver.

[Kevin B]

I saw a pretty cool link of a guy getting wacked (pretty much ended up like the guy above) who stepped out in the street shouldering a R.P.G (I think). Has anyone seen that link?

[Kevin B]

I saw a pretty cool link of a guy getting wacked (pretty much ended up like the guy above) who stepped out in the street shouldering a R.P.G (I think). Has anyone seen that link?

[DRTYFN]

Oh yeah!!! That one REALLY ROCKS!!!
It's called Don't bring a rifle to a tank fight.

Anyone wants it PM me with an email address.

[DRTYFN]

Oh yeah!!! That one REALLY ROCKS!!!
It's called Don't bring a rifle to a tank fight.

Anyone wants it PM me with an email address.

[PARAGON]

Here is a link to the video of the Apache "Smoke em"

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/hell_movie.mov

[PARAGON]

Here is a link to the video of the Apache "Smoke em"

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/hell_movie.mov

[PARAGON]

Here is another Apache video

http://globalresearch.ca/images/Mass...0Civilians.wmv

[PARAGON]

Here is another Apache video

http://globalresearch.ca/images/Mass...0Civilians.wmv